For those following the Arkansas earthquakes

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Hopetx

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For those following the Arkansas earthquakes, here's one to take note of....

There was a 3.0 magnitude eq yesterday in a whole new area, completely removed from the area where the recent swarm activity has been taking place. I'm not aware of there ever being eq activity in this area before now.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the fricking fracking operations have just opened up in that area. <sarcasm off>


MAP 3.0 2011/04/16 20:44:42 35.349 -92.667 2.8 ARKANSAS


* 21 km (13 miles) N (354°) from Plumerville, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) NNE (18°) from Morrilton, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) W (279°) from Twin Groves, AR
* 75 km (46 miles) NNW (336°) from Little Rock, AR
* 423 km (263 miles) SSW (211°) from St. Louis, MO

I'm posting this mainly to record the info as I watch what develops over the coming weeks.

Please, people, let's don't try to connect this to the New Madrid. It is NOT part of the New Madrid fault system. If you want to talk about the New Madrid, please start another thread.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
For those following the Arkansas earthquakes, here's one to take note of....

There was a 3.0 magnitude eq yesterday in a whole new area, completely removed from the area where the recent swarm activity has been taking place. I'm not aware of there ever being eq activity in this area before now.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the fricking fracking operations have just opened up in that area. <sarcasm off>


MAP 3.0 2011/04/16 20:44:42 35.349 -92.667 2.8 ARKANSAS


* 21 km (13 miles) N (354°) from Plumerville, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) NNE (18°) from Morrilton, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) W (279°) from Twin Groves, AR
* 75 km (46 miles) NNW (336°) from Little Rock, AR
* 423 km (263 miles) SSW (211°) from St. Louis, MO

I'm posting this mainly to record the info as I watch what develops over the coming weeks.

Please, people, let's don't try to connect this to the New Madrid. It is NOT part of the New Madrid fault system. If you want to talk about the New Madrid, please start another thread.
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It's still on the same fault as the other equakes have been in that area.

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Hopetx

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packyderms_wife said:
It's still on the same fault as the other equakes have been in that area.

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The epicenter of this quake is located some 20 miles from the center of the Guy/Greenbrier swarm. I'd like to see the fault map you reference that shows this to be the same fault line.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
The epicenter of this quake is located some 20 miles from the center of the Guy/Greenbrier swarm. I'd like to see the fault map you reference that shows this to be the same fault line.
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The fault description and map is in the earth changes forum on one of the other threads.
 
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Hopetx

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packyderms_wife said:
The fault description and map is in the earth changes forum on one of the other threads.
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Well, I'm not going to waste my time hunting using that vague information even knowing it will prove you wrong. Let's put it this way - the Greenbrier/Guy fault is 6 miles long in a line from the NE to the SW. This latest quake is 20 miles away, due west. It is NOT the same fault line. But believe what you will....none of you believed me when I said the Greenbrier/Guy fault was not part of the New Madrid either and we see who was right about that one, don't we?
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
Well, I'm not going to waste my time hunting using that vague information even knowing it will prove you wrong. Let's put it this way - the Greenbrier/Guy fault is 6 miles long in a line from the NE to the SW. This latest quake is 20 miles away, due west. It is NOT the same fault line. But believe what you will....none of you believed me when I said the Greenbrier/Guy fault was not part of the New Madrid either and we see who was right about that one, don't we?
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You do know that fault lines can grow, right?

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Hopetx

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You're suggesting that we suddenly had a 20-mile-long "growth" shooting straight due west off of a 6 mile long NE/SW fault line? And then at the end of that, it popped off with a measly 3.0 quake?

Dream on.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
You're suggesting that we suddenly had a 20-mile-long "growth" shooting straight due west off of a 6 mile long NE/SW fault line? And then at the end of that, it popped off with a measly 3.0 quake?

Dream on.
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Since they originally thought the fault was only 3.75 miles long and then discovered that it was closer to seven miles long, YES it is quite possible that all of the repeated quakes in that area are causing the ground to further fracture.

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/147602/2/Arkansas-fault-line-longer-than-predicted

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Hopetx

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The Greenbrier/Guy fault could be 100 miles long......and it would STILL be 20 miles east of where yesterday's earthquake occurred.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
The Greenbrier/Guy fault could be 100 miles long......and it would STILL be 20 miles east of where yesterday's earthquake occurred.
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Just took a look at the area where yesterday's quake occurred over to the greenbriar/guy area via google earth and google maps. Very interesting.

The upside I don't live in that area so don't have to worry about the earth opening up and swallowing me whole!
 
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Hopetx

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packyderms_wife said:
Just took a look at the area where yesterday's quake occurred over to the greenbriar/guy area via google earth and google maps. Very interesting.

The upside I don't live in that area so don't have to worry about the earth opening up and swallowing me whole!
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Where's the damn 'beat my head against the wall' smiley. Argue with me all day and THEN go look at the maps. Sheesh!
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
Where's the damn 'beat my head against the wall' smiley. Argue with me all day and THEN go look at the maps. Sheesh!
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You will have to take this one up with USGS and Google Maps. When I put the coordinates in for the quake it puts it just due west of Greenbriar.

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Reborn

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Seeking Aslan's Country
LOTS of folks are going to continue to call ANY fault in the central US the New Madrid. It's the one most folks are familiar with. I do the same thing with the San Andreas fault out west. If I say San Andreas, most folks will know the general area I'm talking about. Same with the New Madrid. So, it isn't that big of a deal to me.

One reason it isn't is because, like I've said in the past, if an 8.0 goes off around here, few are going to give a care what the name of the fault is. As a matter of fact, the most likely "name" uttered by the locals would be that "#@&*$^" [enter favorite profanity here] fault line.

Who can say for sure that, if an 8.0 happens here again it won't set off a whole bunch quakes on many different faults? Arkansas keeps finding faults they didn't know existed. Other states around here could also be making similar discoveries. When a quake went off in IL a couple of years ago a little quake happened on a fault not 5 minutes from me. I didn't even know the thing existed. These were 2 different faults. Perhaps one fault's quake woke up the other one. There's a lot we don't know about quakes. Best to keep all possibilities open, imho.

Btw, I sure find it interesting that this 3.0 happened in an area that has begun fracking operations! Thanks for pointing that out. I'm trying to keep an open mind about these wells, but it sure is looking like they are connected to the quake activity. Time will tell.
 
Reborn

Reborn

Seeking Aslan's Country
Btw again, if I look at the map of AR, that new quake is still fairly close to the Guy/Greenbriar area as compared with being, for instance, on the western side of the state. So why did they start another fracking op so close to that area?
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Reborn said:
Btw again, if I look at the map of AR, that new quake is still fairly close to the Guy/Greenbriar area as compared with being, for instance, on the western side of the state. So why did they start another fracking op so close to that area?
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I went to quaketracker.com and it would appear that the USGS screwed up part of the cooridnates for this quake, hence my confusion. When I look at google earth though it would appear that that fault is bigger than TPTB are willing to admit to, hence the reason I'm coming across so many articles talking about how concerned the gov. is becoming over this situation. There's some other interesting geological formations in the area as well, like hot springs, mud flats, and in one obscure article it discussed the ground rise in that area, not a good sign considering that area sits over an ancient volcano.

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Hopetx

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Reborn said:
Btw again, if I look at the map of AR, that new quake is still fairly close to the Guy/Greenbriar area as compared with being, for instance, on the western side of the state. So why did they start another fracking op so close to that area?
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I think the short answer would be "greed".

There are a number of different companies (5, I think) operating in the same general area. Everybody is trying to get all they can get....even to the point that drilling will soon begin directly underneath the main water supply lake for the city of Conway. I predict a bad outcome on that one.

And yeah, if it keeps up at this rate, we may very well find ourselves at the bottom of a giant sinkhole called Faulkner County.

And I really think it does matter that we properly identify which fault lines we're talking about, mainly because "New Madrid" conjures up visions of really big quakes that affect very widespread areas. That's just not going to happen with these quakes and to deliberately allow people to falsely believe the NM is in play here just gets the doomers and the fear-mongers all in a dither while they drag the unsuspecting fearful along with them on their imaginary doomfest. It makes for good doomer discussion, but it has no basis in truth. It's completely disingenuous to look at these quakes and suggest that they are somehow predictive of activity on the NM. And no matter how many times I point this out, somebody comes along shortly afterwards and does that very thing. I'm almost surprised that no one has claimed the Nevada quakes are a sign of the NM getting ready to explode. I'm just getting a little tired of the bloviating on the subject by people who obviously have no knowledge whatsoever about this area and the activity that's occurring here.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
And I really think it does matter that we properly identify which fault lines we're talking about, mainly because "New Madrid" conjures up visions of really big quakes that affect very widespread areas. That's just not going to happen with these quakes and to deliberately allow people to falsely believe the NM is in play here just gets the doomers and the fear-mongers all in a dither while they drag the unsuspecting fearful along with them on their imaginary doomfest. It makes for good doomer discussion, but it has no basis in truth. It's completely disingenuous to look at these quakes and suggest that they are somehow predictive of activity on the NM. And no matter how many times I point this out, somebody comes along shortly afterwards and does that very thing. I'm almost surprised that no one has claimed the Nevada quakes are a sign of the NM getting ready to explode. I'm just getting a little tired of the bloviating on the subject by people who obviously have no knowledge whatsoever about this area and the activity that's occurring here.
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FWIW I also find it plenty annoying that every time a quake comes up, say in NE Indiana for instance, it's attributed to the NMSZ! I chock this up to most reporters being ignorant, lazy, and unwilling to check their facts. If this is in fact another new fault, or unknown fault, I'd also like to know more about it. I do know that quakes can happen miles from fault lines they have in the past, 20 miles is not that far geologically speaking, or maybe it's a branch off of the main fault. Would be nice to know the nitty gritty details on this one.

Arkanasas has a whole lot of geology going on in that state that is dismissed as being a non-threat, this will come back to bite TPTB on the hind end and most probably soon.


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packyderms_wife

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Neither here nor there.
Lilbitsnana

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packyderms_wife said:
Then why is it when I go to the USGS Location 35.349°N, 92.667°W http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/nm041611a.php I made a PDF of the page, you know, just in case they decide to come along and correct the error later on.

BUT when I got to quaketracker.com I'm getting 35.349N and -92.667W???


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Same coordinates.

Quaketraacker does not use the N, S, E, W...they use the (-) for W and a positive number for E.

USGS specifies W.

ETA: coordinates for a N CA quake
quaketracker: The geographic location of this earthquake was at 41.0465 latitude, -123.3625 longitude.

USGS: 41.047°N, 123.362°W
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Lilbitsnana said:
Same coordinates.

Quaketraacker does not use the N, S, E, W...they use the (-) for W and a positive number for E.

USGS specifies W.

ETA: coordinates for a N CA quake
quaketracker: The geographic location of this earthquake was at 41.0465 latitude, -123.3625 longitude.

USGS: 41.047°N, 123.362°W
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You know what??? I don't live in the area so to be quite frank I really don't care and if the ground should open up and swallow my Sister in law whole (she and my brother live in southern Illinois) that'd only make it even better! I live in Iowa where EVERY quake that happens in this state is attributed to the New Madrid Sesimic zone! Again lazy ignorant reporters.

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US: Arkansas investigating mysterious natural gas flowing from Quitman well

Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:45 CDT
Today's THV

Arkansas State Oil and Gas Commission leaders are scratching their heads right now. They're trying to figure out why natural gas started flowing from abandoned water well in Quitman.

An emergency overnight prompted the evacuations of three homes. Residents we talked to off camera say they were awakened in the middle of the night, around 3:30 Monday morning. Officials asking them to leave their homes after gas pressure in the well forced it to spew out water.

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It almost looked like a crime scene Monday, with caution tape surrounding this abandoned Quitman home.

But a look in the back revealed no crime here but a mystery nonetheless.

"I don't think anyone knows where it's really coming from," Fire Chief Tim Pike said.

Pike arrived on scene around 4 a.m. Monday, after a well on the property under investigation since February for leaking natural gas, began spewing water on its own.

"The gas pressure began to force the water out as you see it now. Not knowing what the danger was at the time, we felt it prudent to evacuate the parties north and south of the well," Oil and Gas Commission Director Lawrence Bengal said.

Bengal says authorities evacuated three homes for about four hours. And while it was safe to return, "At this point, we do not have a pinpoint for the source of the natural gas," Bengal said.

Bengal says they've ruled out any connection with Southwestern Energy's production wells for natural gas, just a quarter mile away from here.

"We've walked with Southwestern Energy looking at the wells, doing various tests with those wells," Bengal said.

They're also looking into previous gas reports from local water well drillers.

Hauled-in equipment Monday hooked up to the well to remove existing gas and water inside. Pike feels it's all under control.

"I have no concerns at this point. I mean I've been here off and on all day, and they're keeping everything monitored real well," Pike said.

Bengal adds everything is under control as well. In fact he gave us a call late Monday night, saying the well is secure.

He says the gas collected in that equipment we showed in the story will be safely vented into the atmosphere. But crews will return Tuesday to monitor area and check in with residents.

The first report of natural gas flowing from this well came on February 18.

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fair use http://www.sott.net/articles/show/2...terious-natural-gas-flowing-from-Quitman-well
 
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Hopetx

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The only mystery here is the one that makes you wonder how people can be so entrenched in their thinking that they can't figure out how their actions might have created the very problem they are mystified about.

I'm sick and tired of stupid people. Atlas and I are shrugging.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Hopetx said:
The only mystery here is the one that makes you wonder how people can be so entrenched in their thinking that they can't figure out how their actions might have created the very problem they are mystified about.

I'm sick and tired of stupid people. Atlas and I are shrugging.
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The real question is why are you bothering to hang out in this forum if we are such an offense to your superiority? There are REAL science forums out on the net that you could go hang out in, this is the beauty of TB I don't have to have a PhD in Geology to post here.

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Lilbitsnana

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packyderms_wife said:
The real question is why are you bothering to hang out in this forum if we are such an offense to your superiority? There are REAL science forums out on the net that you could go hang out in, this is the beauty of TB I don't have to have a PhD in Geology to post here.

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PW, I don't think her comment was directed at you, but at the AR authorities mentioned in the article...why should AR authorities be mystified about the ng coming out of the water well, when fracking and or disposal of the water is known to create this problem sometimes.

So, I think your comment was uncalled for.

I didn't get bent out of shape over your post #22; I decided it wasn't aimed at me personally. But from your reaction to her reply, maybe I should have, huh?
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Lilbitsnana said:
PW, I don't think her comment was directed at you, but at the AR authorities mentioned in the article...why should AR authorities be mystified about the ng coming out of the water well, when fracking and or disposal of the water is known to create this problem sometimes.

So, I think your comment was uncalled for.

I didn't get bent out of shape over your post #22; I decided it wasn't aimed at me personally. But from your reaction to her reply, maybe I should have, huh?
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I thought her comment, and another one like it in this thread was directed at me. If she meant the good folks in AR then why not just come right out and say that instead of beating around the bush? One of the problems with the internet is one is not able to read body language, hear voice inflections, etc., to know what the other person is really thinking.

No post 22 was not directed at you.

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gdpetti

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FWIW, I had the same impression as Lilbitsnana, but perhaps that is because I often write the same sardonic way?
 
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Hopetx

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No, PW, that remark wasn't directed at you. But since you don't think I'm "coming right out and saying" and that I'm "beating around the bush", I'll just fix that right now.

I don't think you're necessarily stupid but I do think you are a fraud. You march into any and every earthquake thread and make declarative statements like your first post in this thread as though you DO have that Phd in Geology and are therefore exempt from offering anything to back up those declarative statements. You asked no questions and you didn't even bother to check your facts before assuming that I don't know what I'm talking about and that the USGS is making mistakes with map coordinates.

This thread was supposed to be about tracking a possible new earthquake pattern in Arkansas. Instead, you completely derailed it and it has become about you.

Ultimately this thread has shown that instead of trying to tell others all about earthquakes, you need to spend more time keeping your mouth shut and learning about them because you are very far from being the authority that you try to pretend you are.

And if you think that being allowed to yammer along pretending to be an expert when you aren't makes TB2K "beautiful", then I'll leave you and those of like mind to your delusions. You obviously weren't here when there actually were some *really* smart people posting here. I was. And if we've reached the point that my level of 'smartness' seems to be offensively superior, then this place has sunk further than I realized.

As I said, I'm sick and tired of stupid people and after reconsideration, I'll toss you in that category too. After all, you stepped into the shoe and said "look, it fits!"
 
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Double_A

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Hopetx said:
For those following the Arkansas earthquakes, here's one to take note of....

There was a 3.0 magnitude eq yesterday in a whole new area, completely removed from the area where the recent swarm activity has been taking place. I'm not aware of there ever being eq activity in this area before now.

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the fricking fracking operations have just opened up in that area. <sarcasm off>


MAP 3.0 2011/04/16 20:44:42 35.349 -92.667 2.8 ARKANSAS


* 21 km (13 miles) N (354°) from Plumerville, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) NNE (18°) from Morrilton, AR
* 22 km (14 miles) W (279°) from Twin Groves, AR
* 75 km (46 miles) NNW (336°) from Little Rock, AR
* 423 km (263 miles) SSW (211°) from St. Louis, MO

I'm posting this mainly to record the info as I watch what develops over the coming weeks.

Please, people, let's don't try to connect this to the New Madrid. It is NOT part of the New Madrid fault system. If you want to talk about the New Madrid, please start another thread.
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One of the nice things about the USGS alerts is that if you follow the email alert back to the USGS web site they have a tab for "maps". I frequently use the Historical Quake Activity Map for quakes outside my area. Clicking on it will show all the quakes cumulatively with respect to the current quake.

For THIS quake the map is located here: http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/recent/nm041611a_h.html

Some explanation here, the Star represents the quake in question, the orangish dots are past quakes and their size varies by the strength of that quake.
 

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Double_A

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Hopetx said:
Double A, I think if you'll look at these maps http://www.geology.ar.gov/geohazards/historic_earthquakes.htm it will be a little more apparent as to why I brought up this particular earthquake. It's the one due north of Plumerville....sitting there all alone, right where the new oil company activity is located.
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It is tough to see anything else under that big orangish star isn't it?

Fracking fluids injection will show up on seismographs, it can trigger slippage & earthquakes no doubt about it.

I posted this as much to be of help to others, as a response to your post, as I feel this particular map is really very useful and few know about it.
 
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