CHAT For our Irish cousins a question

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A lot of talk here State side about oil (Trump regulating the export of WTI) and the price of gas. Here in MS running 3.59-3.79 a gallon. Wouldn't that be somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7.00 a liter, or euro? 5.00 out in CA.

Was wondering how things were going in your neck of the woods.

Expectations of oil. Brent Crude? Prices, availability etc.... Am I mis remembering @Marthanoir saying about 20% of Irelands oil is Brent?

Gas prices. But if you could break it down for us rednecks, liter vs gallon. Dollar vs Euro. It would help.

It also might help to tell of the social environment. Like:

When I was young no one in my family in Germany owned a car. We walked everywhere. Or took a train. Everything was so close. My uncle worked for some Lawyers in the next town over wore a suit and rode a bike every day. It was 6 miles.

Is Ireland pretty open and the need for cars is greater. Or do y'all still walk a lot? Like to the nearest pub with barn boots on? LOL
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
It's a 90 minute drive to the supermarket and 90 minutes back, ye can feck off with ya walking :p

In the rural areas everybody drives, most kids learn to drive at school ( having already been driving on the family farm since they were 12 :D )

I think currently it's about €2.10 - €2.20 a litre so $10+ a gallon.

Before the .govt made a small cut in fuel duty last week 65% of a litre of diesel was taxes.

So there's a YUGE protest today, Mel posted about in the European thread but basically the country ground to a halt.
 
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Marthanoir

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Fuel protest brings major routes to standstill nationwide​


Fuel protesters have said “we want the carbon tax gone” as convoys brought major routes across Ireland to a near standstill.

In an interview with Gript this morning, spokesman for The People Of Ireland Against Fuel Prices Sonny Boyd described a “massive” turnout, saying roads leading into Dublin had been heavily disrupted.

He said that traffic had effectively halted in some areas, with vehicles blocking key routes as part of the demonstration.

“The turnout is absolutely massive that I can see so far,” Boyd said.

“I’m on all the WhatsApp groups there and there is absolutely hundreds blocking all M1, M4, M2, M7, M9, everything coming into the city is now at a standstill.”

He said that while some vehicles had been allowed through, including emergency services, long delays had been reported.

“I have not had a car pass me for I’d say probably 45 minutes,” he said.

“Now we have let ambulances through on the left-hand side, they’re all gone through, there’s no problem with that.”

Boyd said the objective of the protest was to highlight the cost of fuel and call for government intervention, including a cap on diesel prices and the removal of carbon tax.

“Well we need the government to cap diesel at a realistic affordable price for people,” he said.

“At the end of the day they take 60% roughly on average when you pay for your diesel, they’re taking 60% of what you put in and that’s just not fair.”

He added that demonstrators wanted the carbon tax to be abolished entirely.

“So we’re trying to get, we want the carbon tax gone because that’s the way we all see that is well you know we’re not going to make much of a difference, the small country that we are anyway, and it is an optional thing and we want it dropped.”

Boyd also criticised the government’s position on retaining the tax, stating that protesters believed it could be removed.

“To be honest I think they have to start thinking about the people of Ireland,” he said.

“They’re saying they can’t do it, we know they can. We know they can at the end of the day, this is ridiculous.”

He further raised concerns about planned increases to the carbon tax, saying protesters opposed any further rises.

“Yeah we know about this as well,” he said.

“Obviously we don’t want this and we’re saying to them no we want the carbon tax gone altogether and they’re thinking of putting it up.”

Boyd said rising fuel costs were affecting a range of sectors, including transport, agriculture and fishing, and warned of wider economic consequences.

“Like there’s people there just kids trying to get to school and the school buses are saying that they want 50 euro extra per week per child,” he said.

“Then you have the bus driver then actually can’t run his buses then because he’s not getting enough money.”

He added that the protest had drawn participation from a broad range of groups.

“We have taxis, we have an awful lot of bus men, we have an awful lot of fishermen,” he said.

“There’s going to be people out of jobs, there’s going to be food shortages on the shelves at the supermarkets.”

Boyd said organisers were aware that the disruption could frustrate commuters, but argued that the demonstration was intended to highlight issues affecting the wider public.

“Yeah just the way it is, we understand, but we’re actually doing that for them as well,” he said.

“This is the last thing as I said we want to do.”

He also said the group had received backing from a number of political figures, including Independent TDs and members of opposition parties.

“Yes we do, we do for definite,” he said.

“We have a lot of TDs and everything on our side which is great and we are getting the support from a lot of independent TDs. Obviously we have Aontu I think are supporting us as well. We have a lot of Sinn Fein members on board as well with us so yeah. It’s yeah we are definitely getting the support this time, it’s definitely something like that.”

Boyd said the group had yet to receive a formal response from the government.

“We were hoping that we were going to get something back on Saturday from the government but like that we never did,” he said.

“Now apparently there has been talks and they have responded but we’re waiting for that to come through now to see what’s happening.”

Slow-moving convoys have been observed on major routes including the M1, N2, N3, N4, N7 and N11, with Gardaí advising drivers to allow additional time for their journeys.

Disruption had also affected routes near Dublin Airport, while traffic management measures were put in place in several locations.

Fuel prices have risen in recent weeks, with diesel reaching about €2.14 per litre and petrol around €1.91 per litre in parts of the country, amid global supply pressures linked to disruption in the Strait of Hormuz amid the war between the US and Iran.

Tánaiste Simon Harris is due to hold a meeting on energy issues this week, as the government faces ongoing pressure over fuel costs and taxation.

 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
For metric challanged Americans converting Liter to U.S. Quart and vice versa: 1 liter = 1.06 U.S. quarts, 1 U.S. quart = 0.946 liters

So the easy quick rounding conversion is basically ONE LITER = ONE U.S. QUART

FOUR liters = ONE U.S. gallon

The U.S. was "supposed" to convert over to metric starting in the 70's....but being "Americans" we didn't. Well, mostly. Medicine and much of the military did, but civilians essentially didn't. It's a shame, but it is - what it is. :bhd:
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
For metric challanged Americans converting Liter to U.S. Quart and vice versa: 1 liter = 1.06 U.S. quarts, 1 U.S. quart = 0.946 liters

So the easy quick rounding conversion is basically ONE LITER = ONE U.S. QUART

FOUR liters = ONE U.S. gallon

The U.S. was "supposed" to convert over to metric starting in the 70's....but being "Americans" we didn't. Well, mostly. Medicine and much of the military did, but civilians essentially didn't. It's a shame, but it is - what it is. :bhd:

We still use imperial for some measurements and metric for others, it's a bit of a hodgepodge but then we're Irish so it fits us, we still mix the Irish & English language together in the same conversation too.

Hiberno-English :D
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
In U.S. dollars thats' $9.92/gal diesel and $8.84/gal petrol. Here on the mountain in SoCal I topped off gasoline at $5.89/gal. It's probably around six bucks a gallon near L.A., diesel is over that a gallon here.

Out here in the sticks we tend to run a bit more expensive than Dublin and outlying regions (Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wicklow etc )

3 reasons ,
1 more competition up there ,
2 being closer to the Northern Ireland border they can cross and fill up at cheaper UK prices.
3 being closer to the Northern Ireland border the paramilitaries wash green Agri diesel and sell it here in the Republic.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's a 90 minute drive to the supermarket and 90 minutes back, ye can feck off with ya walking :p

In the rural areas everybody drives, most kids learn to drive at school ( having already been driving on the family farm since they were 12 :D )

I think currently it's about €2.10 - €2.20 a litre so $10+ a gallon.

Before the .govt made a small cut in fuel duty last week 65% of a litre of diesel was taxes.

So there's a YUGE protest today, Mel posted about in the European thread but basically the country ground to a halt.
Thanks for the info, and we are complaining about 3.59.

90 minutes to the supermarket? That's like driving to Memphis for groceries, don't you guys have a Dollar General? We have 'em like every 8 miles.

And I noticed you didn't say anything about the pub. LOL

Thanks again. And I thought we went along way for groceries.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I posted some of this earlier in the European News Thread and in the How High is your Gasoline Thread - Thank you to Marthanoir for seeing this thread before I did and posting it again. There are several online calculators that convert cost per liter to cost per gallon. Earlier in the week, we were at 8 dollars a gallon (it will do the currencies too), and now we are between 9 and 10, with diesel being somewhat over 9 dollars a gallon.

I also live in the sticks, and as I pointed out on the other thread and during the last oil crisis during COVID, we drive about the same distances to buy things or go to the doctor as my family did growing up in rural California. So it isn't a case of "You don't have to drive as far," oh yes, we do.

Most of downtown Dublin is shut down today due to trucking and farming protests over the cost of fuel to power their trucks and tractors. If the government doesn't do something to cut costs (and some of it is taxes), I can predict, with no psychic ability, that the next step will be a work stoppage by the truckers. That has already happened a couple of times, both because of fuel costs and because of costs and delays due to Brexit and border-control messes.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Thanks for the info, and we are complaining about 3.59.

90 minutes to the supermarket? That's like driving to Memphis for groceries, don't you guys have a Dollar General? We have 'em like every 8 miles.

And I noticed you didn't say anything about the pub. LOL

Thanks again. And I thought we went along way for groceries.

Hah , I don't actually drink :D there's a pub 10 mins drive away though , unfortunately the kid at home that's old enough to drink prefers the one 20 mins away.

No Dollar General, no Dollars :D
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
It's a 90 minute drive to the supermarket and 90 minutes back, ye can feck off with ya walking :p

In the rural areas everybody drives, most kids learn to drive at school ( having already been driving on the family farm since they were 12 :D )

I think currently it's about €2.10 - €2.20 a litre so $10+ a gallon.

Before the .govt made a small cut in fuel duty last week 65% of a litre of diesel was taxes.

So there's a YUGE protest today, Mel posted about in the European thread but basically the country ground to a halt.
Of the 65% ( wow ) taxes, how much is the carbon tax, or is it all carbon tax, or another tax?Trying to look up now!
Great Thread.
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
Of the 65% ( wow ) taxes, how much is the carbon tax, or is it all carbon tax, or another tax?Trying to look up now!
Great Thread.
I did find that a pint of Guiness is taxed at 55cents! Wow - exise tax, vat tax, local tax, carbon tax. Could not find an exact breakdown to see how much drop would come from dropping the carbon tax.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Of the 65% ( wow ) taxes, how much is the carbon tax, or is it all carbon tax, or another tax?Trying to look up now!
Great Thread.

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The carbon tax is supposed to be going up this month too

Carbon tax is currently €63.50 per tonne, but increasing to €71 per tonne
 
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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
They politicians had just got back from their annual St Patrick's Day jaunt and advised us to driver slower and think about car pooling.

For St. Patrick's Day 2026, 40 senior Irish government representatives—including all 15 Cabinet Ministers and 23 junior ministers—are traveling to more than 50 countries as part of the largest diplomatic outreach in the history of the State.
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
A lot of talk here State side about oil (Trump regulating the export of WTI) and the price of gas. Here in MS running 3.59-3.79 a gallon. Wouldn't that be somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7.00 a liter, or euro? 5.00 out in CA.

Was wondering how things were going in your neck of the woods.

Expectations of oil. Brent Crude? Prices, availability etc.... Am I mis remembering @Marthanoir saying about 20% of Irelands oil is Brent?

Gas prices. But if you could break it down for us rednecks, liter vs gallon. Dollar vs Euro. It would help.

It also might help to tell of the social environment. Like:

When I was young no one in my family in Germany owned a car. We walked everywhere. Or took a train. Everything was so close. My uncle worked for some Lawyers in the next town over wore a suit and rode a bike every day. It was 6 miles.

Is Ireland pretty open and the need for cars is greater. Or do y'all still walk a lot? Like to the nearest pub with barn boots on? LOL
Great Thread - thanks!
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
They politicians had just got back from their annual St Patrick's Day jaunt and advised us to driver slower and think about car pooling.

For St. Patrick's Day 2026, 40 senior Irish government representatives—including all 15 Cabinet Ministers and 23 junior ministers—are traveling to more than 50 countries as part of the largest diplomatic outreach in the history of the State.
Man - not really any different than here. They just screw their subjects! ( I do not mean you are )
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic

Old Greek

Veteran Member
Also Ireland has the 2nd highest electricity costs in the EU,

Glad I heat with solid fuel ,
Damn. That sucks! ( meaning electric cost ) I am glad I super insulated our home years ago during a full rebuild ( by myself ). About 1250 sq foot first floor. Unused small 2nd we do not heat/cool. Electric runs about $120.00 /month average. Nat gas around $75.00.

My CNG truck uses around 0.66 cents per litre.

Solid fuel meaning - wood?
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Damn. That sucks! ( meaning electric cost ) I am glad I super insulated our home years ago during a full rebuild ( by myself ). About 1250 sq foot first floor. Unused small 2nd we do not heat/cool. Electric runs about $120.00 /month average. Nat gas around $75.00.

My CNG truck uses around 0.66 cents per litre.

Solid fuel meaning - wood?

Mainly turf ( dried Peat ) but we use wood too.

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SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
Three months ago, I filled up my van at $2.07 per gallon for unleaded, at our mini Super Walmart fuel station …five miles west of the Sinclair Refinery here in southern Wyoming.

Yesterday, I topped the tank off. It was at 3/4’s of a tank, and cost $20,02. I don’t go anywhere most months. When I do, it’s heavily planned.

The price yesterday? $3.44 a gallon, after a $0.10 a gallon savings because of Walmart+ membership.

I see the price rising even more, to potentially doubling from that $2.07. That sucks. There are no bus lines to get to anywhere else in Wyoming.

Either you drive 120 miles in ANY direction, or you hitchhike (a bad idea when it’s blowing 60 mph gusts and the ambient temp is 20°). Sure, you can walk or bike…but literally anyplace else is 120 miles of empty high desert.

I know what I’d like to happen to Iran, and the straight of Hormuz…meaning oil returning to its full flow, and the probe returning to normal.

Until then, order online or do without.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
My housemate mostly works from home, but she designs water treatment plants (she is an engineer). Today she had to go to the office, which is about two hours away on a normal day. Today, it took her three hours to get home because the fuel protests intentionally slowed traffic. But she said it would have taken her a lot longer if she hadn't looked out for locals, like a plumber or other marked vans, and followed them onto the back roads. She also said she was smart enough to do something else, fill up her tank at the "petrol" (gas) station BEFORE she tried to get home, in case she got stuck for a long time.

Sadly, there are not many places she could have stopped for supper, like we've done on our way back from Dublin when there's been a big Football game or concert and the traffic is moving at 5 mph.

As I said in my other post, I suspect the next step will be for the truckers, at least, to simply park their trucks and/or start blocking the ports. It wouldn't be the first time. The farmers are in a more difficult position - if they don't plant now, they don't plant. But the food shortages probably won't get serious for a few weeks or months. Some imports are already scarce, but that's more about the horrible rains in Spain (for real) and in other parts of Southern Europe where our late Winter and early Spring vegetables come from.

It wasn't that the truckers couldn't bring the food into the country because of costs, but it was because the food didn't grow in the first place. Now, the greenhouses in the UK, Ireland, and other parts of Northern Europe that grow delicate vegetables (like peppers) may not be able to afford to heat them, which IS related to fuel costs.
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
My housemate mostly works from home, but she designs water treatment plants (she is an engineer). Today she had to go to the office, which is about two hours away on a normal day. Today, it took her three hours to get home because the fuel protests intentionally slowed traffic. But she said it would have taken her a lot longer if she hadn't looked out for locals, like a plumber or other marked vans, and followed them onto the back roads. She also said she was smart enough to do something else, fill up her tank at the "petrol" (gas) station BEFORE she tried to get home, in case she got stuck for a long time.

Sadly, there are not many places she could have stopped for supper, like we've done on our way back from Dublin when there's been a big Football game or concert and the traffic is moving at 5 mph.

As I said in my other post, I suspect the next step will be for the truckers, at least, to simply park their trucks and/or start blocking the ports. It wouldn't be the first time. The farmers are in a more difficult position - if they don't plant now, they don't plant. But the food shortages probably won't get serious for a few weeks or months. Some imports are already scarce, but that's more about the horrible rains in Spain (for real) and in other parts of Southern Europe where our late Winter and early Spring vegetables come from.

It wasn't that the truckers couldn't bring the food into the country because of costs, but it was because the food didn't grow in the first place. Now, the greenhouses in the UK, Ireland, and other parts of Northern Europe that grow delicate vegetables (like peppers) may not be able to afford to heat them, which IS related to fuel costs.

And add to that the fertiliser shortages that will be hitting.


Four years, two fertiliser shocks - global conflicts hit Irish farmers​



About 25-30% of global N fertiliser exports pass through the Strait of Hormuz, according to Rabobank.
 
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