FOOD Food Shortages | What You Can Do Before It’s Too Late

Bps1691

Veteran Member
I’ve been stocking up as I can. Also, though in the past I’ve planted a few tomatoes and bell peppers, this year I’ve built some raised beds to increase the variety and amount available.
I’m looking into growing potatoes in containers too, just to see how much I can get. I’ve got some 5 gallon buckets and small inground pond I bought for $5 bucks last year. At this point, I know I’ll probably never put that pond in the ground, so I might as well put it to use.
Be sure to drill some weep holes in the bottoms of plastic containers so excess water can escape.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I'd skip the bell peppers or maybe only plant one or two plants. They're really not that productive. I've been lucky if I get a four or five peppers per plant. Now I'm not saying don't plant peppers. Just that there's other varieties that are way more productive.
 

Bps1691

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Potatoes are among the most productive crops for home gardens. For every pound of seed potatoes you plant, expect to harvest three to five pounds of spuds in return. That’s a great investment! Plus, with the long storage life of potatoes and the myriad of ways you can prepare them, they are a must-grow crop for many gardeners. And, to sweeten the deal even more, potatoes are a simple crop for beginner gardeners to grow. Every potato-growing adventure starts with seed potatoes. In this article, we’ll look at what seed potatoes are, how to plant seed potatoes, and how to grow them successfully – no matter how much, or how little, space you have to grow.

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Bps1691

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How to Grow Vegetables in Rubbermaid Containers


If you don't want to plant your vegetables in the ground, you can easily grow vegetables in Rubbermaid containers. These strong plastic containers can make an ideal home for growing vegetables, particularly for people who don't have a large yard. You can place the containers on a balcony or porch. The key to successfully planting a vegetable garden in Rubbermaid containers is to prepare the container for planting.

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Is it Safe to Grow Vegetables in Rubbermaid Storage Containers?

 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I'd skip the bell peppers or maybe only plant one or two plants. They're really not that productive. I've been lucky if I get a four or five peppers per plant. Now I'm not saying don't plant peppers. Just that there's other varieties that are way more productive.
You need to plant the right varieties. I've been developing several varietues which are givung me up to 20 or nore full sized CV peppers per plant, in our short and often cool summers. There is a variety cslled Doe Hill Golden kor orsnge... can't remember) that will produce 30 or more smallish (maybe 2x the size of a golf ball) peppers per plant . The first time I gave a couple plants to my son to grow in pots, he kept snipping the blossons off, because he was sure the plants couldn't support that many fruits! He found out he was wrong...

Summerthyme
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
You need to plant the right varieties. I've been developing several varietues which are givung me up to 20 or nore full sized CV peppers per plant, in our short and often cool summers. There is a variety cslled Doe Hill Golden kor orsnge... can't remember) that will produce 30 or more smallish (maybe 2x the size of a golf ball) peppers per plant . The first time I gave a couple plants to my son to grow in pots, he kept snipping the blossons off, because he was sure the plants couldn't support that many fruits! He found out he was wrong...

Summerthyme

One thing to be aware of when home gardening is if you think that in the future that you may be trading or selling some of your excess produce then you need to grow something which looks like folks would expect it to look like. So something like Doe Hill Golden peppers which produce a miniature bell'ish pepper might not be as easy to sell or trade as a traditional bell pepper would.

I say this because if we are entering a GD2 economic environment then having the ability to produce and sell/trade your excess might be an important trait to insure your survival.

Specializing in a few things also would help so use this time to figure out what works best for you.

As an example I grow onions. But I live in an area with lousy clay soil so normally I grow the onions in barrels on my deck so that I can provide better soil for the onions. But I can also easily drag a couple of fallen pine logs up near the house and throw together some raised beds. So where normally I grow about 60 onions a year I could scale that up to 600 without to much effort. Same with raising chickens for eggs. If I collect eggs for a week rather then eating or giving them away I can incubate about 50 chicks and with a 50/50 ration thats 25 new hens and 25 roos to raise and process for meat. Are the roos as good as current grocery store chicken? No. But if may not matter if there are shortages and the price is kept right.

tbd
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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One thing to be aware of when home gardening is if you think that in the future that you may be trading or selling some of your excess produce then you need to grow something which looks like folks would expect it to look like. So something like Doe Hill Golden peppers which produce a miniature bell'ish pepper might not be as easy to sell or trade as a traditional bell pepper would.

I say this because if we are entering a GD2 economic environment then having the ability to produce and sell/trade your excess might be an important trait to insure your survival.

Specializing in a few things also would help so use this time to figure out what works best for you.

As an example I grow onions. But I live in an area with lousy clay soil so normally I grow the onions in barrels on my deck so that I can provide better soil for the onions. But I can also easily drag a couple of fallen pine logs up near the house and throw together some raised beds. So where normally I grow about 60 onions a year I could scale that up to 600 without to much effort. Same with raising chickens for eggs. If I collect eggs for a week rather then eating or giving them away I can incubate about 50 chicks and with a 50/50 ration thats 25 new hens and 25 roos to raise and process for meat. Are the roos as good as current grocery store chicken? No. But if may not matter if there are shortages and the price is kept right.

tbd
Yeah, people are going to have to get used to "real" chicken again, after buying frankenbirds from WM all this time. Real chicken is tougher, but has actual flavor.
 

Marseydoats

Veteran Member
Do I still need a coop if I have the tractor? Do they live in the tractor which you move around the yard?

They have to have some shelter even in the summer time. You can't leave them out in the pouring rain or a hail storm. And they have to have shade. My husband is an over-achiever, my chicken tractor has a roof. If you have predators, even stray dogs, you need a secure area for them at night. I've seen tractors that were built like Fort Knox, (the downside to them is that they're generally too heavy for one person to move alone) and some simple mesh wire ones that the people just used during the day when they were outside themselves and could defend the chickens if necessary.
The chickens usually live in the tractor which you move around the yard. Google "chicken tractor" and you'll get tons of ideas.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
The potato crop has been endangered because it has been so wet for the past two summers. Mine are going in raised beds with excellent drainage (SAND) because I can't afford to lose this crop. Avoid things like planting them in tires or other alternatives, unless you did it last summer and know that it works in your area.

If you are new to potatoes and can't afford a crop failure, check with your local co-op extension about what types grow best in your area.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Best to find farmers who are selling quarters or whole animals with butcher dates this summer and fall. Put money down. The small butcher shops won't be shut down because only a couple people work there.

Most of the lockers around me are now scheduling slaughter dates two years out... lots of folks, and possibly some small delis/butcher shops, are coming down here from the Twin Cities and are buying up everything they can get their hands on at the moment.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
The potato crop has been endangered because it has been so wet for the past two summers. Mine are going in raised beds with excellent drainage (SAND) because I can't afford to lose this crop. Avoid things like planting them in tires or other alternatives, unless you did it last summer and know that it works in your area.

If you are new to potatoes and can't afford a crop failure, check with your local co-op extension about what types grow best in your area.

We're going to use potato bags with wood chips and compost (about half and half). This year I'm putting them on the edge of the deck so I remember to go water when the sprinkler system is not running. At least they are easy to harvest! Just dump bag onto tarp, separate out potatoes and dump the leftovers into composter.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
and with summer coming (and then the election) the Left/commies will orchestrate power outages and then there goes all of your frozen.
do not think they won't do this. THEY WANT THIS ELECTION AT ALL COST

OC and I've been thinking the same exact thing and once we're done with this batch of chicken he bought we're going to start canning down our freezers. I just don't trust the grid at the moment. I was so pleased with how the canned hamburger patties turned out, now he's talking about doing hamburger rocks and possibly straight ground pork rocks as well.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Most of the lockers around me are now scheduling slaughter dates two years out... lots of folks, and possibly some small delis/butcher shops, are coming down here from the Twin Cities and are buying up everything they can get their hands on at the moment.

Just talked to the rancher we get ours from here in Colorado. He has a slaughter date in June, but couldn't remember if that was for Bison or beef. Other slaughter date is in October, so we put in an order for 1/2 cow (don't have room for Bison - big sigh).

At any rate, he had 40 lbs of ground he was willing to part with (90% and it's good) for about $4.00 lb. Going out Monday to get that - it's a 2 hour drive, but worth the gas (since it's so cheap). 93% is 5+ a pound here and his meat is superior to the stuff I can buy locally.

If I need an overflow freezer I can use my mothers which hasn't been used in several years (she's 93 and really doesn't need it anymore). Would love to bring it down here, but I already have 2 freezers and a spare refrigerator in the garage and no more room (dang it anyway).

Support your local ranchers is all I can say!
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
What to grow in your garden? If you're new to gardening, be sure to grow what you like to eat!

I'm doubling my garden, but I'm not counting on it. We've been having some bad growing years.

Same here, last year my arugula, chicory, and kale did really well so that's what I've planted this year, in addition to chard and four types of radishes which do well for us, and beets. Tomorrow I'll plant beans and peas. Last year, the tomatoes were meh, cucumbers nonexistent, and we got only three zucchinis.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Sprouting is one thing I've never tried to do. I don't know much to nothing about the process. How do you cook bean sprouts? Or how do you eat them?

You should try it, seriously! I've some small square seed starting trays that I plan to plant peas in for microgreens later this week. It's a great way to get your greens in, flush out a rather bland meal like beans and rice, etc.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Carol Deppe’s books are excellent. Also, there are a couple of books by Steve Solomon that are quite good. I like the winter gardening books, too, but you’ll have to be able to get row cover and greenhouse cover to follow his ideas.

Kathleen

Don't forget Eliot Coleman!
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
They have to have some shelter even in the summer time. You can't leave them out in the pouring rain or a hail storm. And they have to have shade. My husband is an over-achiever, my chicken tractor has a roof. If you have predators, even stray dogs, you need a secure area for them at night. I've seen tractors that were built like Fort Knox, (the downside to them is that they're generally too heavy for one person to move alone) and some simple mesh wire ones that the people just used during the day when they were outside themselves and could defend the chickens if necessary.
The chickens usually live in the tractor which you move around the yard. Google "chicken tractor" and you'll get tons of ideas.
Please don't make my mistake and make it too heavy and awkward to move easily.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Same here, last year my arugula, chicory, and kale did really well so that's what I've planted this year, in addition to chard and four types of radishes which do well for us, and beets. Tomorrow I'll plant beans and peas. Last year, the tomatoes were meh, cucumbers nonexistent, and we got only three zucchinis.

I've got some space in the community garden. I'm preparing the raised bed as my back allows. I've added 200 pounds of sand, which I got cheaply from Walmart at the end of last year. I'm growing on crop of potatoes there because my backyard can flood. The herbs do just fine but the potatoes don't like wet feet.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I’ve been stocking up as I can. Also, though in the past I’ve planted a few tomatoes and bell peppers, this year I’ve built some raised beds to increase the variety and amount available.
I’m looking into growing potatoes in containers too, just to see how much I can get. I’ve got some 5 gallon buckets and small inground pond I bought for $5 bucks last year. At this point, I know I’ll probably never put that pond in the ground, so I might as well put it to use.

This man has everything you need to know about container gardening, etc. Gardening with Leon

Found out about him through Daniel Arms from the Arms Family Homestead on YT.

And also Keeping it Dutch is worth following.

And if you've had enough of the news and are fixin to be mad then pull up to the Dry Bar Comedy Club for some good clean comedy.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
One thing to be aware of when home gardening is if you think that in the future that you may be trading or selling some of your excess produce then you need to grow something which looks like folks would expect it to look like. So something like Doe Hill Golden peppers which produce a miniature bell'ish pepper might not be as easy to sell or trade as a traditional bell pepper would.

Those peppers are incredibly popular in my area to the point that there are times when those are the only peppers you can find and no big bell peppers. When I asked the produce guy at HyVee he said the smaller bell peppers sell better.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
You can reuse canning lids. It is not recommended but in a pinch you can. I don't plan on throwing any of mine out unless they are bent or the seal is damaged. Just wash them, boil the and set them aside. I have tried it with just canning water and the seals worked fine. Again only as a last resort but it beats wasting food.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
I'd plant what I wanted. The idea is to spare the back. If you are gonna do raised beds why not raise them all the way...

Mine are 4-ft tall which really saves my back. Thank you YS for the mothers day present last year! They are 4x4x3 and are really cool. We're going to build hoops for them this year so I can extend the crappy Colorado season and pray to the snow gods we get them in before another late May snowstorm!
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Mine are 4-ft tall which really saves my back. Thank you YS for the mothers day present last year! They are 4x4x3 and are really cool. We're going to build hoops for them this year so I can extend the crappy Colorado season and pray to the snow gods we get them in before another late May snowstorm!
Pictures welcomed!
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
In my previous post I said that to prepare for the GD2 you should specialize and practice.

Well below is a pic on how I currently practice for growing onions. Currently I grow a short day onions in 4 barrels, the other 2 are garlic. Each barrel has about 15 onions growing in it. I normally start from seed on Dec 1 and plant around the beginning of march. Harvest will be sometime around june or later depending on how large I want each onion.

Now 4 barrels of onions won't help me much for trading or selling in a GD2 economic environment but the same method can be scaled up for raised beds. A couple of rectangles of logs with mulch, chicken litter and good dirt and you have a similar growing medium as I have with the barrels. And in my area with the hard clay soil this is the way for me to grow onions and garlic. So for right now where I raise 60 onions I could easily raise 600. And I believe that onions will always be a crop which is in demand

tbd


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Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
You need to plant the right varieties. I've been developing several varietues which are givung me up to 20 or nore full sized CV peppers per plant, in our short and often cool summers. There is a variety cslled Doe Hill Golden kor orsnge... can't remember) that will produce 30 or more smallish (maybe 2x the size of a golf ball) peppers per plant . The first time I gave a couple plants to my son to grow in pots, he kept snipping the blossons off, because he was sure the plants couldn't support that many fruits! He found out he was wrong...

Summerthyme
California wonder does really well for me. Average 20 or so nice big ones per plant. That's with lots of miracle grow though.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You can reuse canning lids. It is not recommended but in a pinch you can. I don't plan on throwing any of mine out unless they are bent or the seal is damaged. Just wash them, boil the and set them aside. I have tried it with just canning water and the seals worked fine. Again only as a last resort but it beats wasting food.
The used lids work great when you use canning jars for dry storage items too.
 
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