CORONA Fish tank cleaner won't cure you

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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I searched for this already, and didn't find it; it may be buried in the giant main coronavirus thread. Apparently some dolt in AZ heard Trump talking about hydroxychlorquinine on tv as being very promising as a cure for the coronavirus, and then happened across a bottle of chlorquinine phosphate tank cleaner among his fish tank supplies. Since it had the same "chlorquinine", he thought it must be the same as the malaria drug, and drank some. He ended up dying, and now his widow is trying to sue Trump, saying it's Trump's fault for promoting "chlorquinine".

As a side note, one of my co-workers (who claims to have been "middle of the road republican/dem" until "orange got elected by his russian friends") also thinks this guy's blood is on Trump's hands. Luckily I don't have to work directly with him.

 

ssonb

Senior Member
All them little words mean something especially in chemistry, like phosphate and hydroxy, chloride, chlorate they are is just small things but they can be looked up in the Darwins dictionary, but you only get a copy of that after the fact.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
If only there was some sort of collection of information that people could access, like a library but bigger and accessible from some sort of a device that was small enough to carry around with you yet powerful enough to give you answers to the really important things...

Like a phone! But...but it should be SMARTER than a phone, ya know?
 

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Dang it - you mean I can't eat battery acid and blame it on Trump??? What's the world coming to?

Pretty sure Trump was not leaving out the part about coordinating with your doctor instead of self-medicating. But the media is selectively hard of hearing.
 

samus79

Veteran Member
The peanut gallery of idiots on twitter and in the media have been screaming about how this guys death is all Trumps fault. It never ends.
 

Ta-wo-di

Veteran Member
Stupidity should hurt. In this case it was worse than hurt. Very little personal responsibility anymore
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i heard about this earlier. what a stupid, reckless, ignorant, dangerous thing to do........but its always someone elses fault
 

FreedomoftheHills

Contributing Member
Actually, the chloroquine sulfate which killed the man in AZ is not "fish tank cleaner," as the media has been portraying in stories about that event.


It is an antimalarial drug that has been in use since the '40s, (which also happens to work to kill parasites in salt water aquariums) and is currently being used to treat COVID-19 pneumonia in South Korea, China and countries that do not have access to the newer (and somewhat less risky) hydroxychloroquine formulation.


The AZ couple certainly deserve a Darwin Award for consuming random quantities of a drug about which they were uninformed and giving themselves fatal/near fatal overdoses...but the media statement that it was the wrong chemical is blatant misinformation.
 

biere

Veteran Member
Darwin taught that class and it was pass or fail. No curve involved.

In big wuflu thread there is a fish cleaner drug that does work. Been getting used. But some governors banning its use in their states.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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Actually, the chloroquine sulfate which killed the man in AZ is not "fish tank cleaner," as the media has been portraying in stories about that event.


It is an antimalarial drug that has been in use since the '40s, (which also happens to work to kill parasites in salt water aquariums) and is currently being used to treat COVID-19 pneumonia in South Korea, China and countries that do not have access to the newer (and somewhat less risky) hydroxychloroquine formulation.


The AZ couple certainly deserve a Darwin Award for consuming random quantities of a drug about which they were uninformed and giving themselves fatal/near fatal overdoses...but the media statement that it was the wrong chemical is blatant misinformation.

Per the article, it was chlorquinine PHOSPHATE, not sulfate. Totally different. And further, the article specifically says that the guy saw chlorquinine on the label of a bottle of fish tank cleaner.
 

FreedomoftheHills

Contributing Member
Per the article, it was chlorquinine PHOSPHATE, not sulfate. Totally different. And further, the article specifically says that the guy saw chlorquinine on the label of a bottle of fish tank cleaner.
I am sorry, I misspoke about chloroquine sulfate. Both the old, traditional antimalarial currently being used to treat COVID pneumonia, and the chemical ingested by the fools in AZ are chloroquine phosphate. Same chemical, same formulation. Refer to the Drugs.com page in my initial post. Yes, the antimalarial drug is used to kill parasites in aquariums. It is not "fish tank cleaner," as represented by the media, but an antiparasitic medication. Until recent years, aquarium keepers had to obtain antimalarial tablets and crush them up for use in their salt water tanks.

"Chloroquine phosphate tablets, Chloroquine phosphate, USP, is a 4-aminoquinoline compound for oral administration. It is a white, odorless, bitter tasting, crystalline substance, freely soluble in water.

Chloroquine phosphate tablets are an antimalarial and amebicidal drug"

Here is an article on how chloroquine is used in aquariums:

 
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summerthyme

Administrator
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Actually, the chloroquine sulfate which killed the man in AZ is not "fish tank cleaner," as the media has been portraying in stories about that event.


It is an antimalarial drug that has been in use since the '40s, (which also happens to work to kill parasites in salt water aquariums) and is currently being used to treat COVID-19 pneumonia in South Korea, China and countries that do not have access to the newer (and somewhat less risky) hydroxychloroquine formulation.


The AZ couple certainly deserve a Darwin Award for consuming random quantities of a drug about which they were uninformed and giving themselves fatal/near fatal overdoses...but the media statement that it was the wrong chemical is blatant misinformation.
It was chloroquine *phosphate*... which, according to the FDA, IS a fish medication, although not a "tank cleaner".

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thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen

AZ Woman Who Blamed Trump for Chloroquine Ingestion Now Subject of Homicide Investigation

Matt Vespa
Posted: Apr 29, 2020 1:45 AM

There is a price to pay for taking the ‘orange man…bad’ route if you’re a liberal reporter. You bound to get a face-full of buckshot. I mean, it puts Dick Cheney’s incident to shame. How many times will the liberal media endure their embarrassing antics before they realize that they’re bad at their jobs and it only helps Trump’s re-election efforts? The coverage of this White House has been atrocious. It’s par for the course—and I know they will never have a reflective moment because they’re all insufferable, self-righteous clowns who think their word is the gospel. I’ve never seen such an arrogant bunch.

In their effort to attack the Trump administration as it battles the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak in the US, the anti-Trump opposition press has peddled Chinese propaganda and now it looks like they’ve rallied around someone who is now under a homicide investigation. Remember that Arizona couple who ingested chloroquine phosphate because they thought it could ward off the virus? Wanda Lenius and her husband, Gary, ingested the fish tank cleaner with soda and the effects were dire. The husband died, while it left Wanda in critical condition. Now, she’s being investigated for homicide. Alana Goodman of the Washington Free Beacon has the scoop. One thing that struck friends of the late Gary Lenius as odd was this notion that this retired engineer would just take poison willingly.

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Detective Teresa Van Galder, the homicide detective handling the case for the Mesa City Police Department, confirmed that the investigation is ongoing but declined to provide additional details.
"As this is an active investigation, I cannot go into any details at this time regarding the case," Van Galder said. The Free Beacon provided a recording of its interview last month with Wanda Lenius.
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Though that report and others suggested the couple mindlessly followed the president's medical advice to disastrous results, friends of Gary Lenius told the Free Beacon they were skeptical he would knowingly ingest fish tank treatment.
Rather, they described Lenius as a levelheaded retired engineer and recounted a troubled marital relationship that included a previous domestic assault charge against his wife, of which she was ultimately found not guilty. The Free Beacon also reported that Wanda Lenius was a Democratic donor whose most recent contribution went to a "pro-science" super PAC.
"What bothers me about this is that Gary was a very intelligent man, a retired [mechanical] engineer who designed systems for John Deere in Waterloo, Iowa, and I really can't see the scenario where Gary would say, ‘Yes, please, I would love to drink some of that Koi fish tank cleaner,'" one of his close friends told the Free Beacon. "It just doesn't make any sense."
In Goodman’s interview, Wanda said the reason they took the fish tank cleaner was over a leg injury Gary had and the fear he could contract the disease if he went to the doctor. She found the chemicals in the pantry. The Beacon added that the concoction she made, one teaspoon mixed with soda each, was at least four times the lethal limit.

At the time, Wanda blamed the president, even though the real drug the White House has cited in daily pressers is called hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug that reportedly has seen good results in combating the symptoms of the virus as we search for a vaccine. Michigan State Rep. Karen Whitsett, who contracted the virus, was given hydroxychloroquine and in her case, the COVID symptoms disappeared within two hours. In a nationwide survey, 65 percent of doctors would prescribe this drug to their family members if they contracted the disease, with 67 percent saying they would take the drug personally. Out of 6,000 doctors from 30 different countries, they rank hydroxychloroquine as their number one treatment option.

Again, what this couple took is used to clean fish tanks. NBC News has been at the forefront of trying to bash this potential therapeutic. Besides this story, they peddled another piece of trash piece blaming a woman’s death on the drug—the real drug. Yet, buried in the piece is this key line: “the family does not know that the drug caused Ligia’s death. The family has not received a death certificate.”

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The reason for this is two-fold. One is the simple case that the media hates Trump. Second, there can be no hope, folks. Doom and gloom kill the markets, which is exactly what the press wants in order to increase the chances of quasi-brain-dead Joe Biden beating Trump in the general election. There can be no good news about possible therapeutics, so this is a classic ‘liberal media pounce’ item. And they weaponized it to attack Trump. Now, the woman at the center of this fish tank tale is being investigated for homicide, so great job again. You guys sure know how to pick the winners. Where would our First Amendment be without you clowns? And yet you get mad when the president rightfully slaps you down and no one believes or listens to the crap you produce on a daily basis. This is what happens when you’re an enemy of the people.
 
All them little words mean something especially in chemistry, like phosphate and hydroxy, chloride, chlorate they are is just small things but they can be looked up in the Darwins dictionary, but you only get a copy of that after the fact.
Potassium iodide.
Potassium iodate.
Both good for thyroid blocking.
How about iodine itself? That should work, right?
It’s good for cleaning wounds, so it must be safe, right?
Anybody remember Jericho?
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Hmm. More confused than ever. Curious.
I'd look it all up on-line, but I already have a headache.

I don't keep marine fish, and MOST annoyingly, the expensive vetrinarian authored copy of the gold fish care book (in-depth, and rather technical) isn't in the stack with the other fish care books. Grrr.... WTH?

The phosphate at the end reminds me of TSP, trisodium phosphate, which is a strong cleaner, and I would never use that anywhere near fish, but of course, a different chemical. I have numerous fish meds, but can't remember any with phosphate at the end (only had one occasion to use the meds - fin rot, not parasites, fish got better, and is still swimming). That med stuff is packed away deep in a Connex box, but if I can locate the damn book and find any interesting info. ('cause I'm sure everyone is on pins and needles for clarification on this... ;)), I'll add a post.
 
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rlm1966

Veteran Member
Actually it sounds like the fish tank meds were doing us all a favor and implementing Darwin rules on idiots.
 
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