First Aid - Sawyer Extractor vs a brown recluse

theoutlands

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Let me take a moment to HIGHLY recommend this piece of kit! If you remember - with disdain - the little rubber-cup snake-bite kits, you understand the basic concept of the Sawyer Extractor - SUCTION. However, this device is at least an order of magnitude of improvement over the old way.

http://www.sawyeronline.com/sawyer_products/pages/extractor/index.htm
Here's the manufacturer's website...


http://bitesandstingsonline.com/extractor.htm
Here's a site with some good basic info on it.


I quibble with the "easy one-handed use" bit, tho. I have fairly large hands, but holding the body of the pump steady and then stretching all the way up to the end of the plunger is...verging on "not bloody likely!" Other than that, HOT DOG!

LdyHerbs managed to get nailed on the hip by something that left a "purple pimple" boil-type injury. Based on our experience, our thoughts immediately went "BROWN RECLUSE!" Our oldest daughter suffered thru the attentions of a brown recluse about 3 years ago. It was nasty. This time, we went into a rather more aggressive treatment approach. We started by making an incision across the top of the boil in order to open the way for drainage and the extraction of necrotic tissue. I put the Extractor in place and let it do its job, drawing out blood and some clear fluid. Eventually, it even pulled out some "thick blood" - which us non-medical types assume to be necrotized tissue.

After quite a while - prolly 30 minutes - of suction episodes interspersed with cleaning periods, we slathered it with ldyh's homemade drawing salve and covered it with a gauze sponge, taped in place for the night. This morning, we revisited the Extractor, again drawing out some blood and more clear to yellow/milky fluid. The incision had already started to heal closed, so I nipped it back open, which resulted in small bits of "thick blood" - and a noticable change in the nature of the coloring of the site. The "purple" was a bit smaller and closer to the surface by now. I opted to make a crossing incision in order to make a larger exit for the nastiness.

This had the result of removing a LOT of "thick blood" which made a *great* reduction in the size of the purplish area and it is now very close to the surface. Again, we spent about 30 minutes in wound care, recoated it in drawing salve, and redressed it with a gauze pad and tape. We'll go back to it this afternoon and repeat the performance.

I have to say - I bought a couple of Sawyer Extractors, one for my truck-bag and one for the house, primarily on the basis of testimonials. Now that I have used one FOR REAL, I'm adding my testimonial and my STRONG RECOMMENDATION that everyone who has a first-aid kit GO GET ONE OF THESE NOW! I got mine at WalMart in the camping section, but you can get them at pretty much any place that carries outdoors goods, particularly first-aid gear.
 

Straycat

Veteran Member
Thanks for the tip, that definitely seems like a good thing to add to one's first aid bag! Will be looking for one during my shopping today.
 

watchin

Veteran Member
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll be looking for one, my next trip to Wal-Mart.
Another good thing to keep around for insect bites, boils, etc. is a bottle of activated charcoal capsules. A poultice made from a capsule will draw out infection overnight in most cases.
They are also good for poisoning, & indigestion, & I think they should be in every first-aid kit.
Here is a site that has a lot of information on how to use charcoal. I printed the page & put it in my first-aid kit.
 
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lastmatch

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Good tip, thanks for posting . And the charcoal poultice, been looking for that one.

lastmatch
 

woodshed

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Salal Sue

Senior Member
Anyone used a Sawyer extractor on wasp stings?

Wasps very agressively seek me out; in a group of people I'm the only one who gets stung. Got stung four times with multiple stings last year. Had to get medical help because of swelling.

I bought an extractor recently along with more liquid Benedryl and Primetene Mist. Also bought a homeopathic remedy called Apis Mell. 30 CF (have never used it). I'm also taking zinc which someone recommended.

Someone on another thread mentioned wearing a sheet of the fabric softener Bounce to keep away stinging pests. I now can be identified as the lady with a sheet of Bouce safety-pinned on her blouse.
 

theoutlands

Official Resister
woodshed said:
Glad things worked out for you, but extractors are of questionable use for spider envenomations.

Well, I'm not a doctor, even tho I play one in chat, but I'll respond to the links you posted.

For the first one, the home-care instructions essentially fly in the face of the orders we were given by a doctor 3 years ago for taking care of our oldest daughter's bites. The doc looked at them, said yup looks just like a brown recluse bite. Keep them (she had several) soaked in hot-water baths so the skin could break open and drain. This despite the fact the emedicinehealth article says no heat or it will accelerate necrosis.

The other three look like they all refer to the same study? Not sure... Reading the original study was a bit of a challenge, but one thing I noted was it seems they left the Extractor in place for 30 minutes. The instructions in the kit say "This should take from 60 to 90 seconds for insect bites. The first 5 minutes are most beneficial for applying the pump to a snake bite." It then gives instructions on how to alternate between fang holes. It says "...suction may be left in place for several hours" (emphasis mine) - not that it is required. Any of us who have done much w/ suction know better than to leave suction applied for very long without a break.

The doctor's option if DD's wounds hadn't broken open and drained or had gotten infected? Slice the wound open and debride (SCRUB OUT) the bite sites. I'm thinking a couple of tiny cuts and several sessions with a suction-pump is a better option.

I'm just put out that we were out of meat-tenderizer. That would do real good, too. Well, I have to go to the feed-store, so I'll stop and see what the local shop has in the way of spice-rack medicine...
 

amarilla

Veteran Member
Our Wal-Mart had it for $11.88 today. When we were at the State Park last week, they were still recommending it for snake bites. Didn't have it then. We saw 3 snakes, poisonous.

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Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Adolf's Meat Tenderizer and water made into a thick paste applied as soon as bite is detected. Has always helped me.
 

theoutlands

Official Resister
Agreed, TP! Used it on wasp stings and such years ago. This weekend, however, we had no meat tenderizer at all in the house! That'll be fixed tomorrow...
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
Salal Sue said:
Anyone used a Sawyer extractor on wasp stings?

Wasps very agressively seek me out; in a group of people I'm the only one who gets stung. Got stung four times with multiple stings last year. Had to get medical help because of swelling.

I bought an extractor recently along with more liquid Benedryl and Primetene Mist. Also bought a homeopathic remedy called Apis Mell. 30 CF (have never used it). I'm also taking zinc which someone recommended.

Someone on another thread mentioned wearing a sheet of the fabric softener Bounce to keep away stinging pests. I now can be identified as the lady with a sheet of Bouce safety-pinned on her blouse.

I've had an anaphalactic episode with a red wasp and that was NOT fun. Last year, when bringing the garbage can up from the street I put my hand right on one of these lovely things and it gave me a nice sting. Came in took 4 Benadryl and put the hand under cold water for several minutes. No reaction except local. So I don't know what that's about. Maybe I caught it in time. Maybe the wasp didn't inject much. I have now adopted a "they won't bite me" attitude when one approaches me. I used to work with a woman that would say "In the name of Jesus, get away!" and by golly they would ALWAYS fly away. (She was a neat lady.) My point is - I did have one - I think there's more to this than we know about and perhaps you're attracting them somehow. Try thinking them away. Yes, I know how that sounds, but it does seem to work for me. I'm no longer afraid of dropping dead when one approaches anyway. That's kind of a relief in and of itself. Oh, it could happen and it IS a serious danger, but try it and see what happens. Usually they don't just come up and sting people for no reason (at least I've never SEEN that happen - doesn't mean it's not happening though).
 

Double_A

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I've had a Sawyer kit for well over 10 years. I used mine once after I got some sort of bug bite. A tiny red dot with some pain but INTENSE, drive you crazy itching on the top of my hand.

I put the extractor on it and within 30 seconds a tiny yellowish drop of fluid appeared. The effect was immediate the itching stopped like a switch being turned off.

Been sold on them ever since then.
 

okie medicvet

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wouldn't do much good for me as I am highly allergic to all spider bites, but it does sound like it would be handy to have around for others.

and it does remind me that I do need to get some adolf's in the house.
 
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