GUNS/RLTD Finally, the NRA faces a long-overdue reckoning

Troke

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Finally, the NRA faces a long-overdue reckoning
Opinion by the
Editorial Board
May 16, 2021 at 8:30 a.m. EDT

AFTER IT was slapped with a lawsuit brought by the New York attorney general alleging fraud and abuse, the National Rifle Association filed for bankruptcy in federal court in Dallas in a bid to reorganize and move to Texas. It was a brazen effort to try to evade New York officials enforcing the laws that govern nonprofits, and it backfired. Not only did the judge call out the NRA for its duplicitous use of bankruptcy laws, but testimony during the trial reinforced the claims made by New York officials of an organization riven by corruption and mismanagement.

Judge Harlin D. Hale, the chief of the federal bankruptcy court in Dallas, last Tuesday dismissed the NRA’s Chapter 11 petition, finding that the nation’s largest gun rights groups had filed the case not for legitimate financial reasons but to gain an unfair litigation advantage. “The NRA is using this bankruptcy case to address a regulatory enforcement problem, not a financial one,” he wrote in a 37-page decision. Judge Hale did not bar the NRA from refiling for bankruptcy, as requested by New York Attorney General Letitia James, but he warned that if the case returned to his court he would consider appointing a trustee to assume control of the organization because of concerns about transparency, secrecy and conflicts of interest.

The decision means the NRA will have to face the charges brought by Ms. James in a civil case that seeks to dissolve the organization, which, though headquartered in Virginia, was chartered as a nonprofit in New York in 1871 and continues to be incorporated in the state. In a suit filed last August, Ms. James outlined illegal self-dealing that funded the lavish lifestyles of NRA chief Wayne LaPierre, his family and a small group of allies. The actions, according to the suit, contributed to the loss of more than $64 million in three years.

Testimony during the bankruptcy case buttressed the charges with details of the organization’s tax-exempt funds used for wedding expenses, private jet travel and exotic getaways. Mr. LaPierre’s private travel consultant testified that he instructed her to alter travel invoices for private jets so as to hide their true destinations. Mr. LaPierre testified he didn’t know how his former chief financial officer had received a $360,000-a-year consulting contract after leaving under a cloud, and he admitted to trips on a luxury yacht belonging to an NRA vendor — a conflict of interest he did not disclose. That Mr. LaPierre kept the bankruptcy filing secret from other NRA officials, including its general counsel, was, the judge wrote, “nothing less than shocking.”

The NRA under Mr. LaPierre’s leadership proved to be, as Ms. James said, an organization in which “the rot runs deep.” Whether it can be reformed or should be dissolved will be up to the court in New York, but it’s good that there will be a long-overdue reckoning.

When Ollie North bailed, I thought "Uh-Oh!"
 

dvo

Veteran Member
Hope they make some long overdue changes. The Board isn’t doing an adequate job, but also may be too large to be effective. LaPierre needs to go. It pains me to know the money I contributed over the years went to his lifestyle...suits, travel, homes, etc.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
It’s long since time to clean house @ the NRA. WL needs to go and be slapped with a restitution order.

If the NY effort is successful, I’ll predict a Pyrrhic victory as there will be so many outraged people who were vested in a pretty soft organization who will willingly flock to more strident and belligerent groups.

But as its said, never stop your enemies when they’re making mistakes.

Jeff B.
 

mechanic 217

I was told there would be cookies!
The goal seems to be to harass and remove the NRA and its political influence, then full steam ahead to the 2A, think the long game. I wonder how or what influence these events have on GOA?. Gun owners need to present a united front inspite of differences to win this, but you all know this already.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am no fan of the NRA
I have a problem with this lawsuit as I feel that it is motivated by politics and not the quest for fairness
IMO using "the law" as a political weapon should be put to a stop
I completely agree. I have no doubt that the legal motives by NY against the NRA is pure politics !!!!

But it is also clear that WL also left NRA vulnerable. The left will use anything as a political weapon.

The Right - no way, they are scared of their own shadow. The right is too interested in imitating
Neville Chamberlain !!!
 
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Murt

Veteran Member
I completely agree. I have no doubt that the legal moves by NY against the NRA is pure politics !!!!

But it is also clear that WL also left NRA vulnerable. The left will use anything as a political weapon.

The Right - no way, they are scared of their own shadow. The right is too interested in imitating Chamberlin !!!

I have no issues with them being held to certain standards and WL should have been gone way back-- my main beef is the motive
If they went after every organization with the same zeal it would be different----but with hilary and biden getting a total pass prosecuting anyone in that region is a joke--JMO YMMV
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have no issues with them being held to certain standards and WL should have been gone way back-- my main beef is the motive
If they went after every organization with the same zeal it would be different----but with hilary and biden getting a total pass prosecuting anyone in that region is a joke--JMO YMMV
Completely agree !!!

Unfortunately, with the conditions of the legal system, we will not correct the problem in the courts !!!

And TINVOWOOT !!!
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
I was part of the NRA members revolt,

The Revolt at Cincinnati, also known as the Cincinnati Coup and the Cincinnati Revolution, was a change in National Rifle Association (NRA) leadership and organizational policy that took place at the group's 1977 annual convention in Cincinnati, Ohio. Led by former NRA President Harlon Carter and Neal Knox, the movement ended the tenure of Maxwell Rich as NRA executive vice president and introduced new organizational bylaws. The Revolt at Cincinnati has been cited as a turning point in the NRA's history, marking a move away from "hunting, conservation, and marksmanship" and toward the defense of the right to bear arms.

members voted out the old board and changed the direction the NRA was going, the old members wanted to stick to only shooting, but the new people wanted to get into politics, we wanted to fight the anti gun bills, and it worked for a long time, now they are weak again, its time for the younger generation to take back control,

dont just bitch, GO to the meeting, vote in new people, organize like we did, its your turn now.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I grew tired of the NRA being led by the Fudds that only wanted to compromise on 2A, and to suck up to the anti gunners, only wanting to protect their precious shotguns, and ignoring the deeper importance of the 2A. It also got tiring to constantly getting requests for more money. They got like drug addicts, just needing more " fixes ". It really infuriated me when I read about all the waste of money by the WL wing. Just like the GOP, proclaiming to protect the 2A, while at the same time, drawing huge salaries, huge expenses, etc., then bending over and doing nothing !

I became a Life member a number of years ago, I think it was about $ 600.00 or so at the time. But continued to get letters begging for more money. WL & his crowd has wasted a huge amount. They should be run out, if not hung !!

I seriously think I will renew my membership in GOA, and JPFO. Those are both worthwhile organizations !!!

:mad: :ld: :mad:
 
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NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The part that bugs me the most is that it will give the Libs a chance to dance on the NRA's grave.

Other than that, I'll enthusiastically agree that the org is due a complete overhaul.
That is true. But we need to revamp the NRA, replace the perfumed politicos, with FIGHTERS !!!! And do it NOW !!!

I would suggest putting Ted Nugent in charge, but he has been diagnosed with covid, and do not know how he is doing. I pray he is doing well !!! But if he is not available, we need somebody(s) like him running the show, and GET WL & his crowd the hell out of the org !!!!

DO IT NOW !!!!

:ld::mad:
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm an NRA Life Member, but agree with most of the sentiments expressed in this thread. W.L should've been shown the door long ago and I would be completely onboard with a restitution judgement against him.

Now we all understand that the Left will be dancing on the grave of the NRA, but this imbroglio is a self-inflicted wound, courtesy of Mr. LaPierre and his cronies.

Best
Doc
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
What Doc1 said.
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I always wondered how LaPierre got top billing and stayed in his position for soooooooooo long. Always seemed more than a little fishy to me. Until he's gone and there's some SIGNIFICANT changes in that organization, and one of those changes is being far more AGGRESSIVE in protecting the 2nd Amendment against ALL COMERS and doing everything possible to kill all these UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws we are now dealing with, until that happens the NRA won't get a single red cent from me.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I have a problem with this lawsuit as I feel that it is motivated by politics and not the quest for fairness
Politically motivated? Most certainly. But if the NRA’s misdeeds hadn’t been so egregious for so long, the suit couldn’t take place. The NRA left itself open for this. Lapierre had to go a LONG a time ago. This is all directly on him.
 

Carl2

Pass it forward...
Gun Owners of America (GOA | The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington) is a great outfit fighting for our rights.
JPFO changed for the worse after the death of Aaron Zelman c. 2011. A new group called "The Zelman Partisans" sprang up and looks good: (https://zelmanpartisans.com/). From their site:

"Aaron Zelman — Founder and guiding spirit of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO), 1989-2010
Aaron founded JPFO in 1989 to be a hardcore, educational, predominantly Jewish voice for the right to keep and bear arms. JPFO also often expressed Aaron’s own creatively quirky voice. After he died in December of 2010, his organization stumbled and nearly went under. Although it eventually began to come back strong under new leadership, in 2014 its board made a secret deal to sell JPFO off to the The Second Amendment Foundation, whose philosophy and style are the opposite of Aaron’s."

Carl2
NRA Life, and regretting it
GOA Life
 

Murt

Veteran Member
Politically motivated? Most certainly. But if the NRA’s misdeeds hadn’t been so egregious for so long, the suit couldn’t take place. The NRA left itself open for this. Lapierre had to go a LONG a time ago. This is all directly on him.

If the NRA had openly supported leftist movements and candidates there probably wouldn't be a law suit despite what WL has done
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Something I'd like to know is how did LaPierre get so entrenched in that organization? (corrected, thanks Troke)

Didn't anyone think that was more than a little odd?
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Something I'd like to know is how did LaPierre get so in trenched in that organization?

Didn't anyone think that was more than a little odd?
You got the word 'entrenched'. He seems to have been a very good at funding. Unfortunately he then used the funds for fun and games.

As for the NRA, there was a time that if the NRA frowned, politicians blanched and mothers snatched their children off the streets. (Metaphor there)

Today not so much and the NY DA is trying to make sure it never happens again.

As for the GOA, if it disappeared tomorrow, would anybody notice?
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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So? Everything in the article is true.

Leftist, Neo-Marxist, Commie rags like the Washington Post, New York Times, and the LA Times are not worthy of consideration or comment in my humble opinion.

"Progressive" is thinly veiled coded language for Communist.

communist-party-poster.jpg
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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RB, The misappropriation of millions in NRA funds engaged-in by Lapierre and his cadre are very well documented outside “communist rags.” Perhaps your just in DENIAL.
 
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chumly2071

Contributing Member
As I recall, at the Indy meeting, the membership tried to do another "coup" of sorts. It was put down, and the board changed the rules on who and how people could be nominated to any open board positions. Self sustaining at that point.
 
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