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Dogs may have been domesticated more than once

By David GrimmJun. 2, 2016 , 2:00 PM

For years, scientists have debated where dogs came from. Did wolves first forge their special relationship with humans in Europe, or in Asia? The answer, according to a new study, is yes. This week in Science, researchers report that genetic analysis of hundreds of canines reveals that dogs may have been domesticated twice, once in Asia and once in Europe or the Near East, although European ancestry has mostly vanished from today’s dogs. The findings could resolve a rift that has roiled the canine origins community—but the case isn’t 
closed yet.

“These are fantastic data that are going to be extremely valuable for the field,” says Peter Savolainen, a geneticist at the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm and the leading proponent of Asian dog origins. But 
Robert Wayne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California, Los Angeles, whose work has shown that dogs arose in Europe, says the results—although plausible—are too preliminary to settle the question. “The story is still a bit of a muddle.”

The study includes a unique specimen: the inner ear bone of a nearly 5000-year-old dog unearthed from Newgrange, a football field–sized mound of dirt and stone on the east coast of Ireland, built around the time of Stonehenge. Researchers led by Laurent Frantz, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, sequenced this specimen’s entire nuclear genome—the first complete genome from an ancient dog to be published—and compared it to the nuclear DNA of 605 modern dogs from around the world. The team then created a family tree for the animals, which revealed a deep divide between European dogs (like the Newgrange canine and the golden retriever) and Asian dogs (like the shar pei and free-ranging village dogs from Tibet and Vietnam). “I was like, ‘Holy shit!’” says project leader Greger Larson, an evolutionary biologist at Oxford. “We never saw this split before because we didn’t have enough samples.”

To figure out when this divide occurred, the Newgrange specimen was critical. Researchers used it, in conjunction with the complete genomes of several modern dogs and wolves, to calculate a genetic mutation rate for canines. This rate suggests that the East-West split happened sometime between 6400 and 14,000 years ago. The analysis also revealed a “genetic bottleneck” in Western dogs—a reduction in genetic diversity typically tied to a sharp decline in a population’s numbers, as can occur when a small band of individuals splits off from the main group. (A similar pattern is seen with the original human migration out of Africa.)

Taken together, the data suggest that humans domesticated dogs in Asia more than 14,000 years ago, and that a small subset of these animals eventually migrated west through Eurasia, probably with people. This implies that all modern dogs, as well as the Newgrange canine, can trace their ancestry back to Asia.

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But here’s the twist: Archaeologists previously had found the remains of dogs in Germany that may be more than 16,000 years old, suggesting that dogs had already been domesticated in Europe by the time the Asian canines got there. Some of today’s dogs may carry genetic traces of that early domestication—but it’s hard to find, in part because scientists are still trying to recover DNA from those ancient German dogs. “We don’t know if the dogs that evolved [early] in Europe were an evolutionary dead end,” Frantz says, “but we can safely say that their genetic legacy has mostly been erased from 
today’s dogs.”

To Savolainen, the story makes sense. “If people in one place got these fantastic dogs, of course everyone wanted to have them,” he says. “Over the course of a few hundred or a thousand years, you could have dogs spread throughout all of Eurasia.” Still, he’s not completely sold on the idea of two domestications, arguing that if the team’s mutation rate is just a bit off, it could allow for all dogs, even those ancient European ones, to have Asian roots. Wayne adds that interbreeding between dogs and wolves could have muddied the picture. Both say that many more samples, especially of ancient dogs and wolves, are needed.

That could happen soon. Although neither Wayne nor Savolainen were involved in the current study, both joined Larson in 2013 as part of an international collaboration to solve the mystery of dog domestication once and for all. Dozens of scientists have been pooling resources and gathering thousands of new samples from around the globe. “The new model is provocative and exciting, but the full collaboration is going to be essential to untangling this complicated story,” says John Novembre, a population geneticist at the University of Chicago in Illinois who is not involved with the collaboration or the new work.

For now, a dual origin for dogs remains an intriguing possibility, especially because research has also suggested multiple domestications for cats and pigs. Does that mean these animals were bound to be domesticated? “If it only happened in one place, it was probably a very hard thing to do,” Savolainen says. “But if it happened twice, maybe it wasn’t as hard as we thought.”

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naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Makes more sense that the dogs were originally domesticated in Germany, and have circled the globe many time since then. But the hate all things European crowd hates admitting that Europeans were the first at something.

Just as Europeans were re first to be in North America. But noone likes to talk about that either.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
My personal hunch (based only on what I know of Wolf crosses and Ice Age people) is that they are eventually going to find that wolves were domesticated as many as a dozen different times or more (and probably at least five or six).

That's because humans living a traditional life style (going back at least 200,000 to 500,000 years or more and wolf packs have a lot in common; they have a similar pack structure, the hunt similar game and they often share the same territories.

It doesn't take wolves very long to figure out that human hunters, especially of the "drive them off the cliff" sort are going to leave a lot of nice munchies in their wake (and their camps smell really-really good) so following them around makes sense if your the pack leader.

If your the delta wolf and/or a under-bitch who gets knocked up despite the Alpha female's best efforts to prevent it and driven away; making a pup den near those wonderful smells and easy to steal treats makes even more sense.

Then one of two things is likely to happen (and probably did over and over) hunter kills Mom wolf but discovers cubs and cubs are cute! Young child begs Daddy to "keep one" or younger hunter does it on their own. That or Momma wolf brings her babies to the back of the camp fire with her cute babies who play an entertain everyone while they are in a good mood.

Babies grow up, hunt beside human pack - instant dogs..
 

von Koehler

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There was a documentary about Russian captive breeding of a fur bearing [forget the species] mammal that was very vicious. The keepers complained about that to their higher ups, and someone was sent to figure out what do to. He went cage to cage and confronted each animal. Most instantly attacked him. A very few did not and just cowered away in the back of their cage. These animals were selected for breeding with each other. I believe it took only 5 or 6 generations and then there was a remarkable transformation in these animals. They had become docile and playful [the documentary showed young children playing with them]; the animals no longer needed to be caged. Physically, these animals now exhibited a wide range of fur colors and their tails changed to a curved dog-like shape.

My guess is that wolves were attracted to the food of humans, and gradually became selected for gentleness. Humans and wolves [and dogs] have essentially the same digestive systems so their food preferences are similar.

FA
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Those were foxes, they didn't work out for fur because it goes "pibald" with domestication but pet foxes are now a high statues (and rather expensive) pet; many come from those lines - when the Soviet Union fell most of the researchers just took them home as pets (rather then destroying them) and continued to breed them in small batches.

But then while foxes can't actually breed with modern dogs, they are members of the dog family - so it isn't that surprising that a few generations of captive and selective breeding will get "fox dogs" that play fetch, roll over and sit (they will also play and blend into a pet pack of household dogs when introduced properly) and no I don't want one; I have chickens.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I remember seeing a video of that research. I found it fascinating.

But would you call it a "dox" or a "fog"?

;)
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I sorta lean toward the theory that dogs and wolves came from separate lines long before domestication. Yes, they are close enough species to be able to interbreed, and probably crossed many times throughout their history before and after domestication, but there is such a distinct difference in behavior and diet/physiology that I don't see dogs "evolving " as much as they have in just 15-20,000 years of their human partnership. The idea that domestication of certain animal "species" came about because they were easy to domesticate is an interesting one. Certain lines of cattle, horses, goats, sheep, hogs, dogs and cats all took to domestication better than others. There are still many feral species of each that were never domesticated, because they were just too "wild" to be useful.

Will be interesting to get the final word. It very well may break down to different dog breeds having different root ancestry. No doubt it will be as complicated as our own ancient human ancestry. Dead ends, independent isolated offshoot populations, and interbreeding - with complication of migrations and geographical barriers (like Ice Ages) coming into the mix as well as human intervention...breeding good dogs to good dogs to get better dogs for specific purposes - like we did with all of the domesticated species.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Well having lived with Wolf crosses (including one that somebody who didn't know a fig about them and brought over to Ireland to start "breeding" them who is now in my back yard; with the 10 foot fence I just had constructed) I can say that actually wolves and dogs have a lot in common.

I met "Momma Wolf" in Denver (Mother of the cubs we raised in the 1980's) and she was lovely and well tempered - the thing is you can't count on that; our previous rescue Wolf cross here in Ireland was a real handful and I think had we not been able to take her probably would have been put down.

Our current guy is a natural "Delta Wolf" of the sort I'm pretty sure are the lines that dogs came from (every living dog tested so far is related to the Grey Wolf so they do come from wolves at some point) - we've had Northern Dogs from Scandinavia that are basically wolves with arrested development at about age 9 months (Norwegian Elk hounds) their tails always stay curled and their ears flop a bit - and they stay friendly like nine month old pure wolves.

Deamon (we didn't name him but we did change the spelling) obviously (thank goodness) does have a bit of Malamute in him- he's go the "woo-woo" and the curled tail but mostly he's a delta Wolf by nature that just wants to be loved and do what the pack is doing (24/7).

But critters looking very much like him have been found buried with humans 9,000 or more years ago (again Norway); so while I used to think their might be a "proto-dog" I am now pretty convinced that Wolves in the wild are like African Wild cats- both are feral if taken directly from the wild but raised in the tame and purposefully bred for good personalities (that get along with people) you go pretty quickly from simply tame wolves or tame small wildcats - to domestic Northern types of dogs and semi-domestic cats.

Deamon - note large round nose (from the domestic dog ancestry), Malamute "masque" and tail curls when he's happy
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Publius

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This domestiction may have happened many 1000s of times over a 50 year spain. Once it was seen others tried themselves.
 
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