ALERT Cruise missile with a dummy nuclear warhead lands in Ukraine

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
IIRC, this might have been posted buried in one of the other threads. This requires its own thread. IMHO, this was not an "accident", or "Russians running out of munitions" as the story suggests. I also do not believe this missile was shot down. I believe it was landed intentionally where it could be found. This was a message.

Cruise missile with a dummy nuclear warhead lands in Ukraine – where is the real warhead?​

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Ukrainian air defense today eliminated an unusual Russian cruise missile.
Kh-555 missile. Image via open sources.

Kh-555 missile. Image via open sources.
According to preliminary information, early this morning Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down two cruise missiles. One of them was a Kh-55 model (Russian designation X-55) which was originally developed to carry a nuclear payload. However, this specific missile did not contain any warhead at all – instead, it contained a dummy imitator of a nuclear warhead.

This surprising discovery raises some interesting questions. There is a chance that the Russian Federation is running out of conventional missiles of Kh-555 modification and they are using Kh-55 instead. If a nuclear charge was taken out, does this mean Russian soldiers forgot to put a conventional warhead in its place? Or, if a nuclear warhead was taken out, where is it now?
[IMG alt="Fragment of downed Kh-55 (X-55) missile. Image credit: Armed Forces of Ukraine via Defense Express
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Fragment of downed Kh-55 (X-55) missile. Image credit: Armed Forces of Ukraine via Defense Express
These questions will remain unanswered for now. However, this situation may be an indicator that the Russian Federation has passed a critical limit and has nearly exhausted the available stockpiles of conventional cruise missiles.

The portal Defense Express explains the key difference between these two missile types. Russia had used Kh-555 missiles to strike Ukraine before – these are “regular” rockets loaded with non-nuclear explosives. Meanwhile, the Kh-55 missile is the original model designed specifically to carry nuclear warheads.

Simply put, Kh-55 and Kh-555 use basically the same rocket, but with a different payload. Their warheads are structurally different and can be identified by experts relatively easily. This also means that it is possible to replace a nuclear warhead with a “conventional” alternative, which seems to be the case in today’s attack against Ukraine.

There is also a chance that this missile with a dummy warhead existed in its current form, and was simply used as a somewhat less-expensive decoy with the aim to misguide the Ukrainian Air Defense systems.

 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Wouldn't necessarily call it poking. More like they keep putting their toes a fraction on the line to see reactions, gauging what they can get away with. If it is even true.

I dont see Putin as the type of guy to play games though. He does what he says and says what he is gonna do. I have to agree with others, this is an obvious sympathy ploy, or trying to distract from Ukraine trying to drum up help when they pointed the finger at Russia for the Poland bomb.
 

jward

passin' thru
They've been pizzin gas on the fire at every sign o' a deescalation for literally MONTHS now : (
..why someone hasn't grown tired enough to throw a bomb or two our way is truly beyond me.
Thank you for starting a separate thread on this one, not sure what's going on but it does seem like someone is hard and wet for WW3 to go kinetic.


And yes, thank you for posting this separately, it well proves my point that when one stops and thinks, that the idea some story bit can possibly be lost in a big thread and die an anonymous death thereby is absolutely silly, and no such thing can occur here.

First, this is a dynamic, not static, venue, and by definition 'big story' and "died for bad placement' are oxymoronic and impossibilities. We've had trouble with too many dups, but never once has any of the slightest morsels of info slid away unnoticed in the currant system.
 

jward

passin' thru
It's was interesting that one of the posters remarked how the breakdown between those who believe the pro-ukraine press / are anti-putin in this series of events seems to break with age, and those who had more years in the "duck and cover" era more likely to be on the Putin-Russian-man-bad end of the continuum. :: shrug ::
 

Roger Thornhill

Some irascible old curmudgeon
Hmmm...

Ukraine gave up their Russian-manufactured nuclear warheads some time ago. Did they keep the cruise missiles?

How convenient to find one capable of delivering a nuke - but fitted only with a dummy nose.

I wouldn't believe any news release coming from official Ukrainian sources. They've been caught innumerable times fabricating marvelous lies.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Considering that the first report is usually 50% incorrect, I'm guessing that it was a nuclear capable LACM but with a conventional warhead replacing the nuke, just like the US did with the AGM-86s turning older ones into CALCMs.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Hmmm...

Ukraine gave up their Russian-manufactured nuclear warheads some time ago. Did they keep the cruise missiles?

How convenient to find one capable of delivering a nuke - but fitted only with a dummy nose.

I wouldn't believe any news release coming from official Ukrainian sources. They've been caught innumerable times fabricating marvelous lies.

Correct. In this case, it is also plausible that this cruise missile did in fact come from Russia, and the dummy warhead is a warning to both Ukraine and the West to cease the shenanigans. What Ukraine just did with Poland is a huge deal. We almost went to Article 5 over a Ukie FF, and that is something that Russia needs to address.

IMO, this is something more in the Russian wheelhouse of international relations. Nothing more needs to be said about this on their end. "We could have.....but we didn't. But we will. Don't misbehave again."

ETA. The other thing that tips me towards this actually being Russia sending a message is that this is not being parroted across every single MSM organization. Outside of some tertiary and peripheral websites, not a peep.
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
ETA. The other thing that tips me towards this actually being Russia sending a message is that this is not being parroted across every single MSM organization. Outside of some tertiary and peripheral websites, not a peep.
Interesting.

Because it is this very silence that makes me think they think it may HAVE been another Ukraine screw-up --

because they do NOT want to change their narrative of "Ukraine GOOOD, Russia BAAAAAAAADDD".
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
We should know by NOW that anything coming out of Ukraine is 100% total BS / SPIN.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. So many are hooked on Russia Russia Russia they can't see the Uke or deep state spin.

The hits on Poland were definitely mean old Russia's fault, but gee whiz, they weren't.

I am not a fan of Russia and I want the war to end so our own country does not deplete its war materials, but the propaganda really gets me down. And it's coming from both sides, but sorta lopsided towards the Ukes.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
but sorta lopsided towards the Ukes.

Way waaaay more lopsided to the Ukes, mainly because the West is the one making the propaganda. From the Ghost of Kiev, the grandma giving the soldiers sunflower seeds, the Ukes "killed" on that island telling the Russian warship to F off, all the way to the new Poland fiasco.

This story is absolutely bent pro Ukrainian, and most of it can be outright ignored for its "Russia Bad" perspective. However, I am not looking at it from the Russia bad perspective. I have been looking and waiting for a Russian response for Poland. The absolute last thing they want is NATO involvement, so they are fairly obligated to respond to the blatant attempt by Ukraine to invoke Article 5. Move, countermove. This is chess, and this would be a great subtle, yet tactical and highly communicative move on the Russian's part.
 

jward

passin' thru
I've read some suggest it is a "trial run" for RU, but am not certain exactly what they might be testing.
Is this another false flag?

Nor do I really get why they'd bother sending one as a wagging finger reminder to folks that "if you want to play games, RU can certainly join the party."

.. it is probably worth noting that the tech org/OP article is still the only one we're really seeing, and not too much seems to be being made of it; what that portends exactly, if anything, is anyone's guess... from non-issue to issue so large we don't even wanna handle it out on the public square :: shrug ::
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
It's was interesting that one of the posters remarked how the breakdown between those who believe the pro-ukraine press / are anti-putin in this series of events seems to break with age, and those who had more years in the "duck and cover" era more likely to be on the Putin-Russian-man-bad end of the continuum. :: shrug ::
Not really.

I will be seventy in a couple of weeks and I have understood from the
get-go that the US, under the leadership of Obutthole, oh, I mean bidet(!!!!!) has been the AGGRESSOR and NATO has been a total partner in this fiasco.

This is NOT about Russia taking back their land, it is ALL ABOUT distracting the sheep from the Holodomor which is taking place against the conservative Americans before our eyes!! While everyone is terrified of a nuclear war, the commies (here, in the DEMON-RAT party) are busy stealing the American people blind and setting up the genocide of millions worldwide to achieve their Nazi-treehugger dream of a limited population of the world. ( In case you didn't know, the Nazis were like rabid EPA agents, one of the many similarities to the current Nazi administration in control of the DEMON-RAT party.)

From the beginning I have compared Russia's response to the American response in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia is responding as would ANY nation whose existence was threatened.

i totally disagree with your generalization that age determines the stance on this "conflict."
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
nobody mentions that maybe it wasn't an accident that an explosive warhead wasn't placed in that cruise missile >>> could be that the Russians are starting to balk at the war and sabotage the war effort ....
 

jward

passin' thru
Not really.

I will be seventy in a couple of weeks and I have understood from the
get-go that the US, under the leadership of Obutthole, oh, I mean bidet(!!!!!) has been the AGGRESSOR and NATO has been a total partner in this fiasco.

This is NOT about Russia taking back their land, it is ALL ABOUT distracting the sheep from the Holodomor which is taking place against the conservative Americans before our eyes!! While everyone is terrified of a nuclear war, the commies (here, in the DEMON-RAT party) are busy stealing the American people blind and setting up the genocide of millions worldwide to achieve their Nazi-treehugger dream of a limited population of the world. ( In case you didn't know, the Nazis were like rabid EPA agents, one of the many similarities to the current Nazi administration in control of the DEMON-RAT party.)

From the beginning I have compared Russia's response to the American response in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia is responding as would ANY nation whose existence was threatened.

i totally disagree with your generalization that age determines the stance on this "conflict."
Thanks for the feedback!
To be clear, again, this was not MY generalization, just what I had seen speculated.
Perhaps it's just individual differences that account for it, but it's been surprising to see the lack of consensus.
I think the main difference in my view and yours is taht I don't think it is just the demon-rat party behind this-
as far as I can tell: "they're all on one side, and it ain't ours" : (
 

raven

TB Fanatic
It's was interesting that one of the posters remarked how the breakdown between those who believe the pro-ukraine press / are anti-putin in this series of events seems to break with age, and those who had more years in the "duck and cover" era more likely to be on the Putin-Russian-man-bad end of the continuum. :: shrug ::
Too many people have forgotten that the Cold War ended in 1991. That was 30 years ago.
And because there wasn't a "shooting" war, they never got the satisfaction of "defeating" the commie bastards.
But we did.

The Soviet Union lost in 1991. They had to surrender all their lands.
They had to give up Estonia and Latvia.
Think of it. They had to let go a tiny little country with a million and a half people. And Latvia with only 1.8 million.
That's just humiliating.

In 1989, the Soviet Union had 289 million people.
Today, they have 145 million people. That is half the population of the former.

And Russia does not have the same brand of Communism. It is more like the Mafia.
The US does not have the same kind of Capitalism either. It too is more like the Mafia.

Russia is as different today as the US is different from 1990.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
At best it was a training munition that, after some vodka, was seen as an entertaining event.

It may also be a more concrete warning.

Shadow
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Considering how the Russian military has methodically shot itself in the foot day after day, why does anyone consider this incident different?
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Remember a few little tidbits about this 'innocent" cruise missile that crashed in ukraine.

1. That cruise missile is a contemporary of the us ALCM-86 and the navy's Tomahawk cruise missile. it also uses a similar tercom type guidance system. probably a touch more crude than ours, but still a noteworthy development. It also has GLONASS/GPS working with the stored maps to ensure accuracy.

2. It is exclusively air launched from bombers that can carry it. in this instance the TU-95 Bear, the TU-22 Blinder and the Tu-160 Blackjack.

3. This cruise missile has a CEP on the order of 65-70 FEET. it's quite accurate.

4.Pre end of the cold war, the motors for the missiles were manufactured in ukraine-by Moto sich. Moto Sich is still an ongoing business concern.

5. Ukraine had a number of these missiles on their territory at the end of the cold war. A large number were given back to russia in the late 90's for a substantial cash payment.

6. Reread #2.

Basically this was in my opinion a LAST warning to ukraine. Sending the missile with a dummy physics package is far more than a joke. i think the Russians are saying next time it may be nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
Remember a few little tidbits about this 'innocent" cruise missile that crashed in ukraine.

1. That cruise missile is a contemporary of the us ALCM-86 and the navy's Tomahawk cruise missile. it also uses a similar tercom type guidance system. probably a touch more crude than ours, but still a noteworthy development. It also has GLONASS/GPS working with the stored maps to ensure accuracy.

2. It is exclusively air launched from bombers that can carry it. in this instance the TU-95 Bear, the TU-22 Blinder and the Tu-160 Blackjack.

3. This cruise missile has a CEP on the order of 65-70 FEET. it's quite accurate.

4.Pre end of the cold war, the motors for the missiles were manufactured in ukraine-by Moto sich. Moto Sich is still an ongoing business concern.

5. Ukraine had a number of these missiles on their territory at the end of the cold war. A large number were given back to russia in the late 90's for a substantial cash payment.

6. Reread #2.

Basically this was in my opinion a LAST warning to ukraine. Sending the missile with a dummy physics package is far more than a joke. i think the Russians are saying next time it may be nuclear tipped cruise missiles.
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