CHAT Covid getting closer to Countrymouse's nest

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
My Hubby's family (as I may have mentioned in the past) is pretty much all liberal. I believe I've mentioned that his mom, the matriarch of the clan, after her husband's death once told my husband that she HAD to vote Democrat because her husband had always voted Democrat and that was what he'd have wanted her to do. Plus, she still seems to believe it's the party of FDR and Herman Talmadge (GA folks will know that reference).

Therefore it's not surprising that, of all the family, only my husband and I are conservative. (and the rest of them don't have all that much to do with us because of it; we usually only see them at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and big family gatherings like showers or retirement parties or such).

That said, it's logical when I say that ALL the rest of hubby's family got vaxed as soon as it came out, plus insisted that my husband's mom (now 92 and in 24-7 care at her home for Stage 4 heart failure) also be vaxed.

(by the way, she experienced severe bruising--for no reason we can discern--down her entire right side after receiving the 2nd shot. She was dark-purple/black on her whole right shoulder / ribcage down to her hip on that side).

So--ALL of them are vaxed, except us--hubby's mom, his three siblings and their spouses, and their grown/married children and their spouses.

Of course they're all putting pressure on my husband to get the vaccine, since he's the only one in the family that hasn't had it and they think he'll give Covid to his mother.

About two weeks ago learned one of my nieces, who works as a hospital administrator, has Covid, along with her husband. She lost her first baby shortly after getting her Covid shot this past spring and has been trying to get pregnant since but no luck so far. (and no, I didn't mention to her the connection between the shot and miscarriage--what would have been the point? What's done is done). I'm worried not only about her having Covid but what may happen with future pregnancies as well. They're getting over the Covid now.

Today learned my other niece (sister of the first, but they weren't in contact recently so no connection) who is an elementary school teacher, has it along with her husband. She has a son and just about a month ago had a baby daughter. My husband's sister and my B-i-L babysit her boy when she's teaching, but I don't know if she had gone back to teaching yet or was still on maternity leave.

At least they're young (the neices are in their 30's) so hopefully will all get over it quickly & be ok.

So the family is scrambling trying to figure out who will sit with hubby's mom while all this is going on, since his sister has been exposed (through the baby-sitting) and she doesn't want to spread it to their mother. They asked my husband if he could come more but he reminded them he has no more days off (new job; hasn't been there a year yet) and can't do it. He's suggesting hiring a nurse, even temporarily--but they don't want to do that.

And of course now they're really pressuring him to get the shot.

Even though it's all the vaxed members of the family (so far) who are getting it.

sigh.

Please keep us all in your prayers.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the experience of your niece isn't enough to convince them about the jab, there's little else you could do.
 

Squid

Veteran Member
Remember to many the vaccine argument is a belief system. Most people will hold onto
their belief system even if their belief’s are contradicted by actual reality.

To the progressive left the belief system built around government is a religion. Throughout history even to this modern day (Muslims) people kill in the name of their religion.

You cannot argue, debate or persuade the religious zealots in their pursuit to convert the un believers. Just understand their religious zeal is a form of psychosis imh(untrained)o. Your belief in something other than their ‘true’ religious thought is a threat to their belief system. This makes you a threat to them so you must remember the extremist belief supersedes family.

You may find ignoring attempts to convert or to draw you into ‘family’ discussions as the only best option other than distance and time apart.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Sending prayers that you won't feel forced into doing something you don't want to do!
If the experience of your niece isn't enough to convince them about the jab, there's little else you could do.

Oh, no, don't worry.

I have been on such terms with my in-laws, for so long now, that they could hardly persuade me to do anything, and certainly nothing I am already convinced is at best dangerous to my health and at worst possibly the precursor to the MoTB.

What I hope and pray is that my HUSBAND won't be coerced into this---he's kind of been pulled in two directions every since we married---trying to please his family and trying to be what he needs to be for the boys and me. He means well, and he's a good man---he just never really in his heart got that "leaving and cleaving" thing--and they know how to work on his guilt and his emotions.

And, of course, I pray they will all get well (though knowing what I know about the shot--that will be only a 'temporary' wellness, which makes me sad).

Thanks all for your kind thoughts, support, and prayers!
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I am SO happy that so few of my friends and family have taken the Jab.
We talk amongst ourselves how the sheep are being led to slaughter.
And there are a LOT of sheep!
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
I had an aunt die from the covid injection over the weekend. She took the shot about a month ago and the doctor admitted that the injection caused her to form a blood clot in her leg/groin area that went to her lungs (pulmonary embolus) and killed her. So that is another reason NOT to take the shot.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh, no, don't worry.

I have been on such terms with my in-laws, for so long now, that they could hardly persuade me to do anything, and certainly nothing I am already convinced is at best dangerous to my health and at worst possibly the precursor to the MoTB.

What I hope and pray is that my HUSBAND won't be coerced into this---he's kind of been pulled in two directions every since we married---trying to please his family and trying to be what he needs to be for the boys and me. He means well, and he's a good man---he just never really in his heart got that "leaving and cleaving" thing--and they know how to work on his guilt and his emotions.

And, of course, I pray they will all get well (though knowing what I know about the shot--that will be only a 'temporary' wellness, which makes me sad).

Thanks all for your kind thoughts, support, and prayers!

Prayers for you and your family. Family will do you bad worse than anyone else in the world; don't let them squeeze your husband into getting the shot unless he wants to. We got it, but it's a choice. No one can make that choice for a person except the person himself. Or herself.

And compared to today's communist/democrats, I hate to say it but Herman Talmadge is an amateur. I know, hard to believe. But he was an amateur compared to these idiots today.
 
Remember to many the vaccine argument is a belief system. Most people will hold onto
their belief system even if their belief’s are contradicted by actual reality.

To the progressive left the belief system built around government is a religion. Throughout history even to this modern day (Muslims) people kill in the name of their religion.

You cannot argue, debate or persuade the religious zealots in their pursuit to convert the un believers. Just understand their religious zeal is a form of psychosis imh(untrained)o. Your belief in something other than their ‘true’ religious thought is a threat to their belief system. This makes you a threat to them so you must remember the extremist belief supersedes family.

You may find ignoring attempts to convert or to draw you into ‘family’ discussions as the only best option other than distance and time apart.
You might not want to do this, but can you say you are both thinking about getting the J&J shot? And wait a couple wks and tell them you got it at the drugstore? Will they ask for proof? Tell them it's not any of their business seeing the vax card. I tell people all the time I got the shot. They like me and are not afraid of me. They feel "safe" around me. I do make sure I don't go near them or touch them if they got the vax.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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I had an aunt die from the covid injection over the weekend. She took the shot about a month ago and the doctor admitted that the injection caused her to form a blood clot in her leg/groin area that went to her lungs (pulmonary embolus) and killed her. So that is another reason NOT to take the shot.
So sorry for your loss Jeep.
 
Prayers added - hang in there !
q
I just talked talked to an old friend she said she got the pziser shot and her son and daughter and their mates and no one had a problem. I didn't tell her I didn't get it. She also blamed the virus on Trump. They are all brainwashed from watching TV. Can't argue with them. I just agree with whatever they say. Sheep indeed!!
 
You might not want to do this, but can you say you are both thinking about getting the J&J shot? And wait a couple wks and tell them you got it at the drugstore? Will they ask for proof? Tell them it's not any of their business seeing the vax card. I tell people all the time I got the shot. They like me and are not afraid of me. They feel "safe" around me. I do make sure I don't go near them or touch them if they got the vax.
Then after awhile say you are SO glad you got the vax and you only had a slight fever and mild aches.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My younger brother's wife got the shot after her daughter insisted on it. Wouldn't let near her the granddaughter without the jab.

The sad thing is that she was aware of the dangers of the shot but emotions trumped reason.

She already has serious respiratory problems so I don't expect a happy ending. Decided to just keep silent and see what happens; there's no cure I am aware of. So what's the point of further talks?

A fatal mistake most are making is that if they don't immediately kneel over dead from the jab, then they think it is harmless. What most don't know is this bio-weapon was designed to take time to kill.
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Remember to many the vaccine argument is a belief system. Most people will hold onto
their belief system even if their belief’s are contradicted by actual reality.

To the progressive left the belief system built around government is a religion. Throughout history even to this modern day (Muslims) people kill in the name of their religion.

You cannot argue, debate or persuade the religious zealots in their pursuit to convert the un believers. Just understand their religious zeal is a form of psychosis imh(untrained)o. Your belief in something other than their ‘true’ religious thought is a threat to their belief system. This makes you a threat to them so you must remember the extremist belief supersedes family.

You may find ignoring attempts to convert or to draw you into ‘family’ discussions as the only best option other than distance and time apart.

You have summed up my marriage in a nutshell.

To the progressive left the belief system built around government is a religion....Your belief in something other than their ‘true’ religious thought is a threat to their belief system. This makes you a threat to them so you must remember the extremist belief supersedes family.

That's been true since prior to day 1 of our marriage, though I didn't know it. I found out several months after marrying my hubby that his sister, his soon-to-be sister-in-law, and his mother were all angry at me. Why? Because I had invited them to a baby shower an older lady in my church who had known me and my mother all my life gave for me. Now I guess you folks know that a bride has little to do with the planning of a shower more than to give the list of guests to be invited to her friend who's throwing it, and to show up at the day/time appointed. The friend throwing the shower does all the rest of the planning. So at my shower, the ladies (who were all Christians) very kindly shared words of wisdom for a new bride from their own experience, prayed over me, and shared Bible verses pertaining to what makes a successful marriage (this along with the obligatory games, presents, and desserts).

My MIL, SIL, and soon-to-be other SIL thought all this was directed at them--and that "I" had requested this to be done to "preach" at them--!!

So they were mad at me.

Not an auspicious beginning.

Then my first child was on the way, and I had studied up well on why Atlanta (Northside Hospital) had the highest C-section rate in the entire Eastern US, and decided I would not be one of those statistics. Studied up on childbirth, and on natural, holistic childbirth. Found a doctor willing to work with me and follow the birth-plan. Got the hospital to sign on to that. Had a midwife and a birth coach to assist me as well and help me maintain a healthy pregnancy.

Then--while my OB was out of town -- because it was 3 WEEKS before my due-date--my waters broke.

And the doctor's stand-in was KNOWN for ordering pitocin in such cases--which usually ended in a C-section.

No---no no no no NO.

So--I called the midwife (that sounds familiar...? :D ) and asked if she would be willing to assist me in a home-birth and if she had a doctor who'd back us up if anything went wrong---yes and yes.

So my first son was born at home---to the horror and fury of my in-laws.

Then, three months later, when he was found to be blind--of course the first thing they said was that "I" must have caused it, by having him at home, or that it must be something in "my" family. The doctors assured me his condition, Leber's Amarosis, was a recessive genetic condition for which I was not responsible--but still I sensed them blaming me. (Our oldest son was about 10 before the human genome project showed that his particular condition was not only caused by recessive genes but by THREE recessive genes acting IN TANDEM--and ALL THREE had to be present in BOTH parents for the condition to appear. I teased my husband about that--"Aren't we lucky? We found each other!") All went so well I had my other two boys at home as well, assisted by this very capable and well-trained midwife.

Then, since I had a background in education and had taught school, I knew from personal experience I did not want my boys attending public school, and I made plans to home-school them. My MIL and SIL's took this as a personal affront--as if by the very act of my home-schooling my sons I was condemning the fact that they had not home-schooled their children. They constantly threw up all the traditional bugaboos of "socialization" (most throw that word around without the slightest idea of what they mean by it), as well as questioning my ability to do it and "How will they EVER get into college?" Considering that all three either have finished or are currently in college, all made straight A's, and my oldest (blind) son graduated summa cum laude, I think they turned out ok.

It's been one thing after another ever since we married---every holiday became a dreaded time because they wanted us to spend the entire time with them at his mother's house, with the result that the boys never got to know a single Christmas or Thanksgiving in their own home until Covid kept everyone home. I got around that by having "our" family Christmas or Thanksgiving the day before, with our own dinner and celebration (except we opened presents on Christmas day) so they'd have some memories of family celebrations within their own family circle.

Oh and let's not even get started on politics--!

So--Yes, Squid, you're so right, and I've learned well how having a different value-system from the world's (liberal) point of view pretty much immediately puts you at war with those of that mindset. Not because YOU want to be at war, but because they can't bear it if you're different from them--especially if your "weird" and different way is successful.

So yes, I've learned well the old proverb about "The dogs bark, but the caravan passes on." It used to tear me up, because I so wanted them to like me, but now-- I just let them bark. :lol:
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Prayers for you and your family. Family will do you bad worse than anyone else in the world; don't let them squeeze your husband into getting the shot unless he wants to. We got it, but it's a choice. No one can make that choice for a person except the person himself. Or herself.

And compared to today's communist/democrats, I hate to say it but Herman Talmadge is an amateur. I know, hard to believe. But he was an amateur compared to these idiots today.

An amateur in evil, anyway; he really seemed a straight-up kind of guy. My mama thought a lot of Herman Talmadge; I think she knew both him and his dad (also a politician).
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I love my family, but they worship at the altar of Fauci and the Big Pharma machine.

My wife understands what the vax really is, and she has literally begged me to keep them from giving her the jab. With her undergoing active cancer treatment, that has been difficult to do. You know her doc is so concerned about her NOT having the jab - although she still remains Covid free when an increasing number of their jabbed patients are now getting hit with the delta.

But we can handle the doctors.

What is so much more difficult is exactly whay you all are talking about - when family try to pressure you into taking the injection.

”If you really love your wife, you would be getting both her and you the jab immediately - to protect her...”

I have heard that line from so many people, I just want to scream!

I love my wife enough to take all that pressure and not bend to it.

Of all the audacity — to suggest I do not love my wife because I WILL NOT LET THEM INJECT THAT HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE SUBSTANCE INTO HER ALREADY WEAKENED BODY???

Honestly, I am getting to think of the never ending badgering as a form of abuse.

So I do understand the frustration you all feel, when every body is putting pressure on you to get the shot...



Errrrrrr!!!!
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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It's been one thing after another ever since we married---every holiday became a dreaded time because they wanted us to spend the entire time with them at his mother's house, with the result that the boys never got to know a single Christmas or Thanksgiving in their own home until Covid kept everyone home.
Well, Gee, CM, given that covid is still around, I'd be awful cautious about going to my in-laws for any holiday this year, as well...jus sayin.;)
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sorry to hear about your family troubles, I have had my share of them too.

I dreaded the holidays because there always was some uproar.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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You know--you're absolutely right!

:prfl:

In fact, everyone stayed home last year because of Covid fears--and my boys talked and talked about how PEACEFUL and enjoyable our Christmas together was.....
Take the hint.
You are a big girl now.
You have your own family.
Hubby can adapt to being with his immediate family for a few holidays.
After all, soon the boys will be married and have families of their own....
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
An amateur in evil, anyway; he really seemed a straight-up kind of guy. My mama thought a lot of Herman Talmadge; I think she knew both him and his dad (also a politician).

Ol Herman was evil in a Boss Hogg kind of way. Sneaky politically but not out to actually physically hurt people. Unlike today's communists.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Take the hint.
You are a big girl now.
You have your own family.
Hubby can adapt to being with his immediate family for a few holidays.
After all, soon the boys will be married and have families of their own....

Oh I no longer care what THEY think.

I just wish HE didn't.

But I try to leave that to him--it's HIS family, after all....
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Remember to many the vaccine argument is a belief system. Most people will hold onto
their belief system even if their belief’s are contradicted by actual reality.

To the progressive left the belief system built around government is a religion. Throughout history even to this modern day (Muslims) people kill in the name of their religion.

You cannot argue, debate or persuade the religious zealots in their pursuit to convert the un believers. Just understand their religious zeal is a form of psychosis imh(untrained)o. Your belief in something other than their ‘true’ religious thought is a threat to their belief system. This makes you a threat to them so you must remember the extremist belief supersedes family.

You may find ignoring attempts to convert or to draw you into ‘family’ discussions as the only best option other than distance and time apart.

:applaud:


Well said.
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
Oh the Irony, it's hilarious! all the vaccine-preaching lefties in my family all got the shot, they bitched at my wife and I about the vaccine, warned us about the big old bad "delta variant" and then they subsequently all came down with it following their vaccinations.

Meanwhile in my house the fam takes Vitamin D, niacin, Vitamin C, Melatonin and Magnesium every damn day and nothing more than some early fall allergies, follow the money kids, lots of people are getting rich off this scam.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
My Hubby's family (as I may have mentioned in the past) is pretty much all liberal. I believe I've mentioned that his mom, the matriarch of the clan, after her husband's death once told my husband that she HAD to vote Democrat because her husband had always voted Democrat and that was what he'd have wanted her to do. Plus, she still seems to believe it's the party of FDR and Herman Talmadge (GA folks will know that reference).

FDR was a straight up socialist.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
”If you really love your wife, you would be getting both her and you the jab immediately - to protect her...”

Can you get COVID-19 after being vaccinated?

Yes.

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Can Vaccinated People Transmit COVID-19 to Others?

Yes.

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others




Can you die from COVID-19 after being vaccinated?

Yes.

Massachusetts coronavirus breakthrough cases jump 4,415 last week, more than 600 fully vaccinated people a day
18 breakthrough deaths were reported last week


Where is this "protection" they speak of?
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Mouse, didn’t you say your MIL was vaxxed? If so, then why would your in-laws think your DH could give Covid to your MIL? I mean, if they’re all vaxxed, they must believe in it, right?
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Mizz Walrus was going up to Montana this week to spend a week with her mother, knowing full well that it would most likely be the last time she'd see her this side of the river Jordan. Two of our sons and their families were going to meet her there; everyone had their tickets, etc.

Got a call from the family tonight saying please don't come right now - after the just-finished state fair, active covid cases in their county went from 500 to 9000 and everyone naturally has the willies about it. Plus, the two places where everyone was going to stay have active cases happening now in the households.

BIL made a great point, too, about getting trapped. If their required 72-hour negative covid tests showed up positive when they were getting ready to return home, they'd be stuck for another couple of weeks before they could fly back. (They'd probably have to do one-way car rentals to get home) The nice thing is that change fees are a thing of the past, at least for the time being.

So much for all the wild parties and lissome dancing wenches I had lined up. Monkey wrenches in every spoke, I tell ya!
 
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