CORONA COVID-19 was in the U.S. much earlier than believed

[Walkin' Away]

Yep, add me to the list of those who had that mysterious bout of "whatever".

I had been watching the news of the new illness trickling out of chyna back in late 2019. Then the stuff showing up in Washington state. Then the Diamond Princess fiasco happened. DH went out to
California to help care for those poor people with DMORT.

While he was gone, I got something with all the symptoms that many of you all have described. Sick for a few days and then, Poof...gone. The only thing that remained was this cough. I still have wheezes on occasion, but oxygen sats are 97-98%.

Some researchers have described this "cootie" like an onion, in that it has many layers that may lead to many long-term effects on the immune system that unfold over time. Great

Sounds like we are all in for an interesting future as this unfolds. Keep your immune system strong and stay close to God!

A Pleasant, Blessed Day to You All!
Walkin' Away

 

[Honey Berry]

I agree as well. In January/February 2020, 60% of the students at her school were out with "the flu". Two of my children were very ill. One had a fever for 9 days straight, along with all the other covid type symptoms. My whole family had varying degrees of it back then.

 

[WalknTrot]

I have west coast friends that had the whole extended family down with it in November, 2019.

 

[crossbowboy]

I also have two friends (Florida) that were hospitalized with severe respiratory infections in November of 2019.

Symptoms were consistent with Covid-19.

 

[naegling62]

Easiest way to find out is preserved samples at sewer water treatment facilities. I believe in Europe they keep those and saw an article where Covid antibodies were found as far back as June 2019 in Italy.

 

[CarolynA]

One of my friends caught it during Christmas break 2019. She works for UC Bakersfield and one of the students had family visiting from, you guessed it, Wuhan. They were sick, the student got sick, and my friend had them at her house. She was extremely sick for 2 months. Test for Flu A & B, pneumonia, and some other things came back negative. She firmly believes now that it was Covid. If it was in China in December that it was here - only a plane trip away.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

In late January/early February of 2019 Owner became quite sick with an unknown respiratory illness. He was congested terribly and having trouble sleeping nights. He reported popping a sporadic "flu" which would come on strong during dark hours, and would be gone by noon the next day - Owner reported this to his wife as onset "sundowner syndrome" - although I think he meant the tendency of those sick with a cold to "rally" during the day and find their symptoms worse at night.

His degree of respiratory distress was unusual, even for Owner whose illness ALWAYS goes to the respiratory path. In order to sleep he took to perhaps two or three hours of sleep time, then a hot shower to "clean himself out", then rinse and repeat to possibly three showers during a normal eight hour night.

After a week of this Owner finally gave up and went to the Emergency Room. An X-ray and a test revealed he did not have pneumonia - his concern - but rather a rather severe case of "bronchitis" which the E-room physician thought on Owner's description was starting to "turn." Owner did feel better in the days that followed. I could tell as he was more "like himself" to me.

But to this day now recovered he still has a slight "wheeze." I hear him when he is close. Owner has remarked that perhaps he has some of the "permanent damage" resulting from that infection? Although it doesn't seem to hold him back much.

Dobbin

I contracted the same thing at that time. We had gone down to Orlando at the end of January for a trip, and when I came back, I was sick as a dog. I, too, was also diagnosed with “bronchitis.” It lasted a full month, and I was still short of breath and weak for another month after that. Whatever it was, I picked it up in Orlando. Hubby never even got sick. It was some kind of virus, no doubt. But whether is was COVID related, I’ll never know.

 

[greysage]

Have a history of flu to bronchitis to sinus infection. Day after Thanksgiving 2019 I knew I caught something bad. Was on two antibiotics for 6 weeks before I was cleared up. Was still sick for a solid three weeks after starting antibiotics. Anyway, that was my worst bout with flu ever.

 

[Tristan]

I have west coast friends that had the whole extended family down with it in November, 2019.

I think it got it's start a lot earlier than we've known... Which would explain it's skyrocketing growth, when we began looking for it.

 

[et2]

I am positive I had Covid the first time in January of 2020 while I was in Florida. And also again in December. Same symptoms...

Exactly the same with me. A trip to Florida over New Years. By the end of Jan ... sick as a dog ... every Covid symptom. Out for just over 2 weeks. Still lingering crap over a year later. We left for that trip just before Christmas 2019.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

Pneumonia, bronchitis, colds and flu explains the vast majority of examples cited here as well as the rest of the whole "pandemic".
Environmental factors can explain others.

 

[night driver]

JUST be cause I am a pedant, if you are talking about COVID and calling it a flu you are conflating 2 different viri. COVID is a single strand virus in the Coronavirus family, like the common cold.

Influenza is NOT> it is a double strand virus, not even on the same branch of the tree as Corona viruses.

 

[night driver]

Pneumonia, bronchitis, colds and flu explains the vast majority of examples cited here as well as the rest of the whole "pandemic".
Environmental factors can explain others.

Koch's Postulates

1. The organism must always be present, in every case of the disease.
2. The organism must be isolated from a host containing the disease and grown in pure culture.
3. Samples of the organism taken from pure culture must cause the same disease when inoculated into a healthy, susceptible animal in the laboratory.
4. The organism must be isolated from the inoculated animal and must be identified as the same original organism first isolated from the originally diseased host.

And if you go back to Niman's analyses, you will find that SARS-COV-2 sequences quite well as something new to the Doctor. And it would fit your Koch's Postulates.

 

[duchess47]

I have west coast friends that had the whole extended family down with it in November, 2019.

It was in Reno, NV in early November 2019. By end of November my son's crew started getting sick, and by end of year, he got it, then husband and I. It trashed my lungs and I still have problems. It took almost a year to get energy back and hubby is still dealing with fatigue.

 

[Border Collie Dad]

And if you go back to Niman's analyses, you will find that SARS-COV-2 sequences quite well as something new to the Doctor. And it would fit your Koch's Postulates.

Who has an isolated sample?

 

[Aunt Pittypat]

Hmmmm. DH's niece visited from Seattle at the end of January, 2020. Within a few weeks, he had a bad cough that lasted a month. I had something similar that lasted longer. Fatigue, too. ????

Lately, I've been reading British medical articles, mainly because the British medical system is not driven by Profit like it is here. The good news is they've determined that you have a good level of immunity protection after you've had the virus. And that you have the most protection of all -- even more than those who've had two shots of the vaccine with just one dose of Moderna or Pfzier.
So, I hope I did have it but there's no way to know for sure.

 

[Melodi]

Another serious problem with ANYTHING coming out of the US system after a certain time (I forget which month) is/was the payment to hospitals for people with COVID.

In a healthcare system where these days hospitals often "eat" the costs of sick patients, especially the very ill if they are uninsured or can't possibly pay that 10,000 dollars "co-pay" before their insurance kicks in, hospital administrators made sure that nearly anything and everything was "COVID."

So, researchers are forced to rely on countries with all or mostly non-profit systems like the UK, most of Northern Europe, Isreal, Canada, and the like. Germany has a public-private system but it is highly regulated, basically, the government uses private companies to provide mandated health care, and like the US Federal Employee system, all policies MUST contain certain things (there's no incentive to overstate COVID cases).

The third world isn't usually reliable because you can get numbers of deaths, but you have no idea how many people were really tested or who even got medical care or was declared "COVID" because lots of people died in the village that week.

Anyway, if we are going to find serious "proof" that COVID-19 was in the West by or before Oct 2019 (now the earliest dates for China I think, last I looked) then the US is probably not going to be the place to find them. Unless the information comes via sewer samples which won't say how many people had it but can show that people were "shedding it" via their poop.

 

[Wildweasel]

I have friends in Kentucky who got super sick in November of 2019. They took the antibody test in February 2020 and were positive. Doesn't surprise me in the least.

Madame Wildweasel's closest brother works as an ER nurse. In October 2019 he came down with "a bug" after exposure at work from Chinese college students who showed up with "some bug". In early November Madame Wildweasel and then I came down with that bug from exposure to him.

BIL was out of work with Covid symptoms for over a month and still exhibits long-term symptoms. Madame Wildweasel was bedridden for 11 days and was coughing so hard she injured herself.

I thought I had the flu that had progressed on to pneumonia and was cursing the flu shot and both pneumonia shots I've had. I almost went to the ER when I was most congested and had difficulty breathing, but I'm stubborn (stupid?) and held of when I probably should have gone.

The congestion did finally break and I began getting better after a couple of days feeling sick as a dog. But it was late March 2020 before I felt good enough to consider myself as starting to feel normal.

 

[packyderms_wife]

I have friends who were at a quilt show in Oregon in October of 2019 and a good many of them became quite ill with a mystery bug, a cough that hung on for weeks and no smell or taste, chills, exhaustion, also one of those friends died... and then we learned about "covid" in February of 2020 and yup they had all of the symptoms.

Like Meemur said we believe it was here as early as August 2019 when all of the asian students started trickling back in for fall semester. Small clusters at first and then bam, by late December early January everyone I know/knew had the mystery illness symptoms.

 

[Granny Franny]

Yes and that may also have been an issue, but it happened so quickly; vaping was almost (but not quite supressed) and then the story went away. Since people do still vape, you would think there would be occasional cases of this cropping up, especially with Chinese or third world ingredients but neither of us has heard a peep since COVID was recognized.

My nephew (20's) was admitted to the hospital last year, Covid suspected - turned out to be from vaping. So it is still occurring.

I also thought I had Covid in Dec, 2019, slight sore throat, then it went directly to my chest overnight. No sinus symptoms whatsoever. Put me down for about 9 weeks. I later talked to a friend who's wife had identical symptoms, and she was tested for flu - was type A influenza, so I'm not sure what I had. I just know it sucked.

 

[dioptase]

Hmm. We went to Tucson (via Phoenix) mid-Feb 2020, and when we came back I had a persistent (but relatively mild) dry cough and no energy for well over a month. DH (almost 4 years older than me) got super sick with what seemed like flu symptoms, apart from no fever. He was wiped out for several weeks too. We always wondered if we had gotten CoVid then. (Both of us take lots of Vitamin D daily, and I also take extra Vitamin C on top of multi vitamins, so maybe if we did get it, we got a relatively mild case of it because of the vitamins?)

The last time before that when I was really sick was June 2019, but I suspect that was a very bad cold because I also had allergy-like symptoms (runny nose, etc.). We were traveling then too, and I spent the entire trip sucking on Cold-Eeze and chowing down antihistamines.