CORONA COVID-19 Close To Losing Its Epidemic Status In The US, According To The CDC

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Thanks for the reply, I have been unable to speak to my FIL for several days (weather and phone issues) but he mentioned that Texas was getting bad (hospitals, etc) and he's a retired physician and VA administrator.

I will report in the bomb shelter when/if I get more direct information from him on this.

You're welcome. Here's the graph for the Texas hospital bed situation:

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I'm not trying to downplay the situation, and yes I see the rise, but the above is not a recipe for the apocalypse. It is a cue to watch carefully, though. And I am.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
We have more testing being done in our state, and the cases are still rising. Our state website reported 989 new cases overnight, with 44 new deaths. That's the highest overnight jump, since this thing started. Even though the cases are rising, the number of hospitalizations are coming down. It's hitting the younger crowd the hardest. Mostly black females.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
We have more testing being done in our state, and the cases are still rising. Our state website reported 989 new cases overnight, with 44 new deaths. That's the highest overnight jump, since this thing started. Even though the cases are rising, the number of hospitalizations are coming down. It's hitting the younger crowd the hardest. Mostly black females.

If you test more, you increase the chance of positives. Not the guarantee of increased positives, but the chances are higher.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
You're welcome. Here's the graph for the Texas hospital bed situation:

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I'm not trying to downplay the situation, and yes I see the rise, but the above is not a recipe for the apocalypse. It is a cue to watch carefully, though. And I am.

Nice find, Searcher! Really does pull the teeth on that Texas tantrum we saw recently. Perhaps the governor is prevaricating a bit?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Nice find, Searcher! Really does pull the teeth on that Texas tantrum we saw recently. Perhaps the governor is prevaricating a bit?
Thanks! The info is from:


That's what irritated me so highly when Gov. Abbott started the latest mask thing - I'm watching Texas and the data doesn't indicate a system out of control. He made a purely political calculation.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
That's what irritated me so highly when Gov. Abbot started the latest mask thing - I'm watching Texas and the data doesn't indicate a system out of control. He made a purely political calculation.

The worst part about the Texas mask bit is that it's DESIGNED to be misunderstood. Basically, you can wave it all away by saying "It's feasible to social distance here", but then, all an "authority" has to do is say "Nuh-UH!" and you're the one on the hook again.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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I asked this in another thread, might as well ask it here too: does the test detect the actual virus, or does it detect the antibody?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
The worst part about the Texas mask bit is that it's DESIGNED to be misunderstood. Basically, you can wave it all away by saying "It's feasible to social distance here", but then, all an "authority" has to do is say "Nuh-UH!" and you're the one on the hook again.

Yep. Enforcement is necessarily capricious at best.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Another issue is that the number of ICU beds, especially in the USA tends to be low; which most of the time isn't that big a problem; however, it can turn into a nightmare if there are suddenly a lot more patients than beds and it doesn't take that many seriously ill people for that to happen.

That is what swamped health systems in Spain, Northern Italy and why the UK put up a lot of extra field hospitals that turned out not to be needed much (at least not in the first go-round) but they are starting to re-open a few (quietly) that were closed because again, the ER's are filling up.

So not just a US problem...but it tends to confuse the issue.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Another issue is that the number of ICU beds, especially in the USA tends to be low; which most of the time isn't that big a problem; however, it can turn into a nightmare if there are suddenly a lot more patients than beds and it doesn't take that many seriously ill people for that to happen.

That is what swamped health systems in Spain, Northern Italy and why the UK put up a lot of extra field hospitals that turned out not to be needed much (at least not in the first go-round) but they are starting to re-open a few (quietly) that were closed because again, the ER's are filling up.

So not just a US problem...but it tends to confuse the issue.

There was a story (to which I have no link) that talked about having a low-ish number of dedicated ICU beds, plus many, many more ICU-ready beds available and equipment to service them, then more contigency beds from there. We are not in a situation where we cannot provide ICU services to those who need it, though I do suggest that hospitals be ready to convert the ICU-ready into service. I believe the same article made is clear that they don't actually need my suggestion.
 

xtreme_right

Veteran Member
What blows my mind is that the police have more important matters to deal with than someone not wearing a mask, yet they actually respond to calls of non-compliance.


Here are all of the COVID-19 emergency declaration citations issued so far
Here are all of the COVID-19 emergency declaration citations issued so far
By Mark Dunphy
1:01 pm CDT, Tuesday, July 7, 2020

The city of San Antonio has issued more than 2,500 warnings and 67 citations for violating the stay-at-home order, according to an enforcement report. Among the violators were the Planet K smoke shops in San Antonio.
The city of San Antonio has issued more than 2,800 warnings and 80 citations for violating the emergency declarations, according to an enforcement report.

Officials had received over 7,800 calls reporting violations as of Tuesday.

The social distancing orders, intending to slow the spread of COVID-19, first went into place on March 18. The most recent, a third addendum to the eighth emergency health declaration, went into effect on June 26.

Several of the early citations were issued to locations of the Planet K smoke shop chain.

The chain's owner, Michael Kleinman, refused to shut downuntil the city revoked its certificate of occupancy for a Planet K on Austin Highway, authorizing the disconnection of all electric, gas and water service there “due to risk to life.”

After May 5, seven weeks passed without officials issuing a citation, but enforcement picked up once more in late June as COVID-19 cases spiked.

Multiple city departments — Code Enforcement, Parking Enforcement, Metro Health and the San Antonio Police Department — are enforcing the order.

Here are the citations issued so far:

July 4

- Police received a call reporting The Drink bar at 200 Navarro St. was open for business. An officer had warned the owner that he was violating the emergency declaration orders but the owner refused to close.

The SAPD Vice Unit found 10 to 15 people drinking inside the bar. A citation was issued to the owner.

July 2

- Police received a call that Web House Café and Bar at 320 Blanco Road was allowing customers to drink inside. The manager said the establishment was making most receipts from food, not alcohol, so they could be open. He said they had applied to TABC for an exemption and had not heard back.

Officers advised that the bar must shut down the dining room but could do take out and delivery of alcohol with food orders. A stop work order was posted and a citation was issued.


July 1

- At Wetmore Family Dentist, officers found customers and staff not wearing masks and no signs posted. A citation was issued to the dentist's office, located at 13499 Wetmore Road.

June 30

- Officials checking for proper signs at a Northside gym called The Pit, located at 8506 Speedway, found that the signs had not changed. They posted a placard to file a case and issued a citation.

June 27

- Police were called for a Brown Coffee Company employee allegedly not wearing a mask. Officers saw the server without a mask and a municipal court case will be filed. The coffee shop is located at 812 S. Alamo St. in Southtown.

- Police were called to 809 Riverwalk for a river barge company allegedly not requiring passengers to wear masks. Based on an officer observing employees and customers not wearing masks, an official warning was given and a municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 2711 Treble Creek for people at Gold's Gym allegedly not wearing masks. An officer explained the mask ordinance to a manager as they observed some members not wearing their mask in the gym. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 4319 S. New Braunfels for employees at Sonic allegedly not wearing masks while serving food. An officer watched a server approach vehicles and deliver orders with no mask on. The manager was told to have servers put on masks within 6 feet of customers. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 6059 La Cima for employees at La Michoacana allegedly not wearing masks. An officer saw one cashier with a mask around her neck and another worker with no mask. A patron also had no mask. Everyone complied when the officer enforced the mask rule.

The manager said he had several incidents of patrons cussing him out over a facemask. The officer suggested he contact SAPD to escort belligerent non-compliant customers off the premises. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 1560 Bandera for an employee at Walgreens allegedly testing positive for COVID-19 and not sanitizing store. Officers observed all employees wearing masks but not wearing them properly. Social distancing practices were in place. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 1003 Culebra for Quintanilla's Restaurant allegedly operating over capacity and staff not wearing masks. An officer found that the location was maintaining capacity just under 75 percent.

Several employees were not wearing masks. The manager said masks are provided to them but they take them off as soon as he steps out. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 2838 N. Loop 1604 E. for people at El Chaparral allegedly not wearing masks. An officer saw two employees in the kitchen not wearing masks. A municipal court case will be filed.

- Police were called to 5138 Blanco for employees at Los Angeles allegedly not wearing masks. An officer saw all employees wearing masks.

The restaurant's mask rules said they were "preferred." The officer told the manager it should say "required" and the manager said she would have the signed changed by the end of the day. A municipal court case will be filed.

May 5

- Police found the Cantina Sports Bar, located at 6565 Babcock Road on the Northwest Side, open for business. Approximately 50 people were inside the crowded bar, none of whom were social distancing or wearing a mask — including the owner.

The bar was selling alcohol and police did not observe anyone eating food. The owner told police he could no longer afford to remain closed. He would rather fight a citation in court than close the bar. A citation was issued to the owner.

- Police received a call reporting that Porta Rosa Bar at 1221 Broadway St. was hosting an opening night party. The caller said a large number of people were inside the bar and on the patio, failing to social distance or wear masks. Officers found the location open for business.

Advised to close the bar, the manager said he would comply. Police received two more calls and an officer responded for the second time in an hour. The bar was still operating with a large number of people inside. A citation was issued.

May 2

- Police officers, responding to a call for a shooting, found a large group of people conducting an illegal 8-liner gambling operation at a South Side home. They found that no one was shot or injured at the residence, located on the 700 block of Grosvenor St.

The officers cited 34 individuals for violating the emergency declaration.
 
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waterdog

Senior Member
What's with all the blame the boomers bullshit? I've an idea that most of tb members are boomers. Blame your issues on someone else. It's getting old to me.
 

Grouchy Granny

Deceased
Like I believe anything the CDC, WHO or Fauci says?

Too much mixed contradicting info for me to make up my mind. Noticed that Colorado has gone pretty much silent on the whole issue.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
What's with all the blame the boomers bullshit? I've an idea that most of tb members are boomers. Blame your issues on someone else. It's getting old to me.

There are a lot of "boomers" who are causing problems for future generations, but those in that group don't tend to gravitate to TB2K...
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Yes, I see the Texas stats. I live here. The cases reported are up, as also the number of tests are also up. The huge number of tests are squeezing out a residue of positives because it digs deeper into the population. Here's Texas' graph of that data:

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That ^^^ is the law of diminishing returns in action.

At the same time, death rates both at the national level and at the Texas level are trending down... and have been doing so for more than two weeks.

Two Weeks. A new "syndrome" is discovered - two weeks. An event of importance occurs - another two weeks. If an event stretches on for quite some time, like BLM riots - wait until that event is over, then start counting the two weeks from there. There will always be something that resets the clock to another two weeks.

"Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.” ― George Orwell, 1984

Of course, with things like having the lockdowns, there have been realizations like lady politicians going to the salon for beauty treatments, or Governor Newsom's winery staying open for business while he mandated others stay closed...

"Some animals are more equal than others" ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

Yes, Covid-19 is real, and some people die from it. Some people are reported to have long-term issues after recovery. However, it is not the first virus to do either or both, and is turning out to not be as effective in its assault as feared, and that's a good thing.

The bad thing, the really bad thing, is that we're also caught up in an Orwellian loop.

I'm ignoring nothing, ma'am.

I don't normally quote myself, but the thread below dovetails with the comment above.


This is how badly TPTB want people to either discount the warnings of George Orwell, or forget him entirely.

Folks, you have to figure this out. The mindf*ck machine is in top gear and means to run you down.
 

Kayak

Adrenaline Junkie
From what I've seen, it takes two weeks after an event for people to get sick, and another two weeks for those numbers to show up in testing. However, it then takes another month for people to die, and another week or two for THOSE numbers to show up on the graphs. So, six to eight weeks after an event for deaths to show.

I was expecting the numbers to go up after Memorial Day weekend. If there were deaths from it, they should have hit by now. They haven't.

HOWEVER, we also have to remember the numbers were way, way, way down for Memorial day weekend, so what we'll actually need is a week or two for it to spread after (because things opened up), and then for those numbers to hit. So, people went out and got sick, and then infected people over the next two weeks, and it's THOSE people who are going to be the big numbers (if they exist).

So, Memorial Day weekend deaths would show up end of July or beginning of August. Riot deaths will show up even later, IF they happen. I believe the death numbers we're seeing right now is the result of people who got sick in mid-April, and hardly anyone was getting sick then.

That's what I don't think people understand. We flattened the curve too much, and then we opened it up too much. We didn't find a place in the middle. I'm hoping the virus mutated into something less deadly, but I'm not convinced just yet. We're still staying home and only going out when absolutely necessary, and then taking every precaution.
 
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