Emcomus
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So Miller as SECDEF would be considered the next highest civilian authority next to the POTUS?
ALERT Confirmed:Joint Chiefs of Staff memo: The Armed forces attest that they will take civilian orders to ensure the inauguration of Joe Biden.
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It will be 8 days before you know.
Instead of 7 Days In May, we get 8 days in January.
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Seven Days in May (1964) - IMDb
Storyline
An unpopular U.S. President manages to get a nuclear disarmament treaty through the Senate, but finds that the nation is turning against him. Jiggs Casey, a Marine Colonel, finds evidence that General Scott, the wildly popular head of the Joint Chiefs and certain Presidential Candidate in 2 years is not planning to wait. Casey goes to the president with the information and a web of intrigue begins with each side unsure of who can be trusted. Written by John Vogel <jlvogel@comcast.net>
Instead of 7 Days In May, we get 8 days in January.
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Seven Days in May (1964) - IMDb
Storyline
An unpopular U.S. President manages to get a nuclear disarmament treaty through the Senate, but finds that the nation is turning against him. Jiggs Casey, a Marine Colonel, finds evidence that General Scott, the wildly popular head of the Joint Chiefs and certain Presidential Candidate in 2 years is not planning to wait. Casey goes to the president with the information and a web of intrigue begins with each side unsure of who can be trusted. Written by John Vogel <jlvogel@comcast.net>
LittleYellowFlower
Flower Whisperer
I was wondering about that myself. Their wording is a bit off or they need to re-read the Constitution. For the military to follow civilian orders is a contradiction to them adhering to the Constitution.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
hehe.............you get up there in front of the Almighty on judgement day and God starts out saying......"Before we start this whole judgement thing................did I hear you say heaven would "at least" be a place you might be going.........as if my kingdom is some type of conciliation prize???"........
.......could you imagine God starting out saying that to you?...
....yeeeouch!!!..........LOL
BTW.........is that a Ragdoll or Birman on your avatar?
Civilian control of the US military has been standing doctrine ever since when. The President is not called the COMMANDER IN CHIEF for nothing, folks.
Did EVERYONE sleep through civics class??? Go write the following on the blackboard ten times
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Why There Is Civilian Control of the Military and When That Tradition Began - ABC News (go.com)
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It Is in the Constitution
The concept of civilian control of the military was written by the Founding Fathers into the Constitution emerging from the colonial reality of citizen-soldiers.
Reflecting the balance of power established by the Constitution, the president was made commander in chief of the military and Congress was given the authority to declare war and fund the military.
Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution states, "The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States when called into the actual Service of the United States."
The roles of Congress outlined in Article I, Section 8 include, "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy."
When Was Civilian Control Required?
With the president as commander in chief, the day-to-day management of the nation's military was left to the secretary of war. With very few exceptions, civilians held the post of secretary of war, reflecting the constitutional authority given to the executive branch of government over the military.
But it was the National Security Act of 1947 that replaced the War Department with the Defense Department that also made it a requirement that only civilians could lead the department.
That legislation also created the secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, which, through additional legislation, also became civilian-only positions.
Seventeen of the 24 men who have served as defense secretary have had some kind of military service. Since most of their service years occurred during their youth, the seven-year gap requirement between military and civilian life did not come into play.
Only George Marshall's nomination in 1950 has required a congressional waiver similar to the one that Mattis will require to become defense secretary./
Did EVERYONE sleep through civics class??? Go write the following on the blackboard ten times
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Why There Is Civilian Control of the Military and When That Tradition Began - ABC News (go.com)
/snip/
It Is in the Constitution
The concept of civilian control of the military was written by the Founding Fathers into the Constitution emerging from the colonial reality of citizen-soldiers.
Reflecting the balance of power established by the Constitution, the president was made commander in chief of the military and Congress was given the authority to declare war and fund the military.
Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution states, "The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States when called into the actual Service of the United States."
The roles of Congress outlined in Article I, Section 8 include, "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy."
When Was Civilian Control Required?
With the president as commander in chief, the day-to-day management of the nation's military was left to the secretary of war. With very few exceptions, civilians held the post of secretary of war, reflecting the constitutional authority given to the executive branch of government over the military.
But it was the National Security Act of 1947 that replaced the War Department with the Defense Department that also made it a requirement that only civilians could lead the department.
That legislation also created the secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, which, through additional legislation, also became civilian-only positions.
Seventeen of the 24 men who have served as defense secretary have had some kind of military service. Since most of their service years occurred during their youth, the seven-year gap requirement between military and civilian life did not come into play.
Only George Marshall's nomination in 1950 has required a congressional waiver similar to the one that Mattis will require to become defense secretary./
minkykat
Komplainy Kat
I meant it as in I am not worthy to be in his house and would be fortunate indeed to come in.
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Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Ugh...seems like folks don’t like the actual answer...Civilian control of the US military has been standing doctrine ever since when. The President is not called the COMMANDER IN CHIEF for nothing, folks.
Did EVERYONE sleep through civics class??? Go write the following on the blackboard ten times
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Why There Is Civilian Control of the Military and When That Tradition Began - ABC News (go.com)
/snip/
It Is in the Constitution
The concept of civilian control of the military was written by the Founding Fathers into the Constitution emerging from the colonial reality of citizen-soldiers.
Reflecting the balance of power established by the Constitution, the president was made commander in chief of the military and Congress was given the authority to declare war and fund the military.
Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution states, "The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States when called into the actual Service of the United States."
The roles of Congress outlined in Article I, Section 8 include, "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years; To provide and maintain a Navy."
When Was Civilian Control Required?
With the president as commander in chief, the day-to-day management of the nation's military was left to the secretary of war. With very few exceptions, civilians held the post of secretary of war, reflecting the constitutional authority given to the executive branch of government over the military.
But it was the National Security Act of 1947 that replaced the War Department with the Defense Department that also made it a requirement that only civilians could lead the department.
That legislation also created the secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, which, through additional legislation, also became civilian-only positions.
Seventeen of the 24 men who have served as defense secretary have had some kind of military service. Since most of their service years occurred during their youth, the seven-year gap requirement between military and civilian life did not come into play.
Only George Marshall's nomination in 1950 has required a congressional waiver similar to the one that Mattis will require to become defense secretary./
Then try this one-
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As term winds down, Trump shifts Pentagon line of succession (defensenews.com)
As term winds down, Trump shifts Pentagon line of succession
By: Aaron Mehta December 11, 2020
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Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller, left, meets with Navy Capt. Christopher Gilbertson, the commander of Task Force 55, during a visit to Naval Support Activity in Bahrain on Nov. 25, 2020. (Lisa Ferdinando/U.S. Defense Department)
WASHINGTON — U.S. President Donald Trump issued an executive order Thursday changing the line of succession at the Pentagon, clarifying who would take charge of the Defense Department in case of an emergency.
The move is in line with actions taken by previous presidents, who have in the past moved roles up and down the line of succession depending on the individual filling the job.
The order of succession lays out who takes over when a defense secretary is removed or resigns. It is not representative of the chain of command, but does reflect who the president would prefer to take over in case of a departmental emergency that results in the loss of the top of the command structure.
The switch comes amid a broader series of changes at the Pentagon — including alterations at the Defense Business Board and the Defense Policy Board — that the incoming Biden transition team may look to quickly revert once it takes office.
The new order is as follows:
“This is something every administration in modern times undertakes, but the world would not have stopped rotating had POTUS forgotten to change this on his way out the door,” said Mackenzie Eaglen of the American Enterprise Institute. “The more interesting question to me is why Obama did it so soon after taking office, and Trump at the very last minute.”
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As term winds down, Trump shifts Pentagon line of succession (defensenews.com)
As term winds down, Trump shifts Pentagon line of succession
By: Aaron Mehta December 11, 2020
26
WASHINGTON — U.S. President Donald Trump issued an executive order Thursday changing the line of succession at the Pentagon, clarifying who would take charge of the Defense Department in case of an emergency.
The move is in line with actions taken by previous presidents, who have in the past moved roles up and down the line of succession depending on the individual filling the job.
The order of succession lays out who takes over when a defense secretary is removed or resigns. It is not representative of the chain of command, but does reflect who the president would prefer to take over in case of a departmental emergency that results in the loss of the top of the command structure.
The switch comes amid a broader series of changes at the Pentagon — including alterations at the Defense Business Board and the Defense Policy Board — that the incoming Biden transition team may look to quickly revert once it takes office.
The new order is as follows:
- Deputy defense secretary
- Secretaries of the Army, Navy and Air Force, in order of appointment
- Undersecretary of defense for policy
- Undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security
- Chief management officer
- Undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment
- Undersecretary of defense for research and engineering
- Undersecretary of defense (comptroller)
- Undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness
- Deputy undersecretary of defense for policy
- Deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security
- Deputy undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment
- Deputy undersecretary of defense for research and engineering
- Deputy undersecretary of defense (comptroller)
- Deputy undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness
- A group consisting of the general counsel of the Defense Department, assistant secretaries of defense, director of cost assessment and program evaluation, director of operational test and evaluation, and chief information officer of the Defense Department, in order of appointment
- Undersecretaries of the military departments, in order of appointment
- Assistant secretaries of the military departments and general counsels of the military departments, in order of appointment.
“This is something every administration in modern times undertakes, but the world would not have stopped rotating had POTUS forgotten to change this on his way out the door,” said Mackenzie Eaglen of the American Enterprise Institute. “The more interesting question to me is why Obama did it so soon after taking office, and Trump at the very last minute.”
somewherepress
Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's very interesting and very telling IMHO that the Joint Chiefs aren't found in the Pentagon's Line of succession as found in Post #131
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
That's because the JCS aren't civilians...
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I have been considering this possibility for some time, or if not ML something very much like it probably with the "cooperation" of most of the governors.
Hogwrench
Senior Member
There is a very good chance that we will get martial law and the insurrection act. Just not by who many thought would invoke it. Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.
CapeCMom
Veteran Member
After watching the first five agonizing minutes of GMA this morning I am becoming more convinced. The rhetoric was pointing in that direction. How else is he going to shut the country down for COVID, how else is he going to guard against the 75 million violent extremist Trump supporters?
barbarossa58
Veteran Member
Statements aren't required by liars and those that disregard the oath they take...Welcome to the "new normal" Komrade...
Backwoods Chic
Veteran Member
I found this on Twitter. See what is circled? So they won't follow unlawful orders....
View: https://twitter.com/SCPatriotSC/status/1349176718158868480
View: https://twitter.com/SCPatriotSC/status/1349176718158868480
LAWFUL has always been status quo. That's not new phraseology. You obviously never met a barracks room lawyer
And by not doing it himself, DJT left the way wide open for Bidden to act.
I hope SOMEONE ANYONE here is finally beginning to catch on to why I have been so bothered about this.....
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
I wonder if she again broke a $200,000.00 flat screen TV by hurling a $10,000.00 bottle of champagne at it as she supposedly did in Nov. 2016?
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Biden has thousands of military in DC. He is in total control of all the oathbreakers and fools running all the various agencies like the FBI. Wray's testimony the other day sealed it. The people running Joe Biden are in charge, likely obama and other deep state agents.
I expect a nuke on State of the Union and then we go to either Jericho, or Lone Survivor mode. We have B-52's deploying to the Mideast tonight. Russia and Syria bombed the fuel tanks and pumping facilities we have been using to loot Syrian oil the last several years or so.
And we now officially hit $30 Trillion in debt with the passage of this stimulus farce.
I expect a nuke on State of the Union and then we go to either Jericho, or Lone Survivor mode. We have B-52's deploying to the Mideast tonight. Russia and Syria bombed the fuel tanks and pumping facilities we have been using to loot Syrian oil the last several years or so.
And we now officially hit $30 Trillion in debt with the passage of this stimulus farce.
PghPanther
Has No Life - Lives on TB
View: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1349098892936294400
Note/Confirmed at link below
Message from Joint Chiefs on U.S. Capitol Riot - USNI News
The following is the Jan. 12, 2021 message to U.S. troops from the Joint Chiefs of Staff. MEMORANDUM FOR THE JOINT FORCE SUBJECT: MESSAGE TO THE JOINT FORCE The American people have trusted the Armed Forces of the United States to protect them and our Constitution for almost 250 years. As we...news.usni.org
Joint Chiefs of Staff memo to troops: The military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civil authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain committed to protecting the Constitution (Reuters)View attachment 245632
View: https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1349102617515974662/photo/1
Office and legal documents are never signed in blue ink.........always black ink...................this is very suspect.
Why has this thread been resurrected? It’s from January 12th.
We must be a little low on gloom this morning.
Still sniffing that hopium?
While that matters, it’s not germane to this thread.
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