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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Yesterday, I was doing a little punch out on a rooftop site, high end commercial office building.

This management company has several properties around downtown Tulsa.

Had this exact conversation with the company rep.


He had me rolling in the elevator with descriptions of finding employees and their reasons for not showing up.

Dude was hispanic and had that particular sense of humor.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
At least, if you are starting with adults! The time for teaching is at 2 and up. My 2 and 3 year old granddaughters already have small chores, and are expected to help out with all the jobs we get into. Of course, they get tons of play time, but a request for help is NOT optional!

My mother was the original "helicopter parent". She was a high energy woman sort of stuck in the 1950's culture, and having grown up in the Depression, she never wanted her kids to suffer in any way. But it meant she did everything for us (and when we did do a job, it was never good enough, so she'd redo it). I got out at 16, because I couldn't tolerate it... my adopted brother essentially let her baby him until she died.

I had to essentially train myself how to work, to not put things off (still working on that one!) and to keep working through pain and fatigue.

All our kids learned early... they had regular chores from the age of 3, and by the time they were 16, any one of them could have run our dairy farm for a few days if they had to.

They all have thanked us, saying that while they thought it was hard at the time, it has paid off in their lives in a major way.

Summerthyme
You’re family is one of a kind these days.

Most are a total “shi%%^ show” judging by the younger age groups I’ve seen.

Today is pathetic.
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane
Reporting from South Central PA. The restaurants and stores are all looking for help. But as per the OP, I just made an appointment with a local heating/plumbing contractor for Thursday. I have numerous problems with a bathroom and was not given any indication that there would be a problem with dealing with them. But I'll let you know.
 

biere

Veteran Member
I don't know if the lower cost of living areas of the country have bigger issues with this, but some of the stimulus and irs theft returns and other stuff basically adds up to a pretty good job around here.

The McDonalds all you can eat thing made me chuckle, are the fishy sammiches addictive? I would add up hours you work and see how it comes out to buy your own sammiches. I know 30 years ago workers got 1 meal there during a complete shift but no clue these days.

The mention of ups made me think of something I don't think I mentioned. I was killing time in a gun store, playing broke, and dude was on the phone mentioning they had some stuff all packed and ready to go but ups had not been by yesterday or that day yet and he did not expect em to come by that late in the day. This was during the week.

I know ups, usps, and fed ex vary greatly in different areas. I try and use the notes on orders to make sure my stuff ships with who does the best in my area. One place said they hardly ever do pickups for packages so package did not get picked up for a few days once ready but once moving it got to me ok.

I expect this sort of thing to get a lot worse as well.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Want to know the real ugly truth? The old complain about the young. There are documents from the 1400s 1500s 1600s and so on of old men complaining about the young. Want to know the ugliest truth of them all? Who raised the younger generation?

oh, I see--so you admit you're just like the rest of us? (smile)

(ps--we are ALL sinful. But that doesn't make wrong, right or vice versa.)
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
(posted this on the "one more check" thread but now realize it may have been more appropriate to this one)



Three separate businesses I spoke with last week have told me:

THEY ARE FACING A CRITICAL LABOR SHORTAGE AS PEOPLE JUST WON'T GO BACK TO WORK.


The first place was the company supplying the cap / gown for my oldest son's soon graduation with his Master's degree.

I called them to get an ETA on shipment as we're getting close now (1 month out). The very nice man---family man with four children (yes we talked a while) told me his company COULD NOT GET workers to come to work and so were BARELY hanging on --- especially this time of year when everyone is graduating--- getting the caps/ gowns out in time.

When I asked if the problem was Covid, he said--NO! It's because they're getting PAID NOT TO WORK!

He was furious at Biden for what they've done, due to the stimulus payments---and said they could not get labor in despite all kinds of hiring incentives. The workers make more money sitting at home than they would working--so why work?

A few days later, was looking for someone to sharpen and repair some of my garden tools (hoes, shovels, etc., and put in a couple new handles).

Not to be had.

Even if I COULD find a store with kids working there who were intelligent enough to know what a "garden tool" IS, and not direct me to some gourmet KNIFE sharpening business (one girl at Tractor Supply called out to her co-worker, "Do we have anyone who sharpens hoses?")--the few (or ONE) store that I DID find that has a man sharpening / repairing tools is--ya ready?-- THREE months behind. (that would put me into JULY, getting my tools back. A little late for the garden.) When I asked the manager WHY this was the case--and why he didn't hire HELP for this department so they could get the tools repaired / out quicker--- SAME ANSWER---nobody is applying to work anymore because they have the subsidies and don't NEED to work.

Finally found a LAWN MOWER shop that will at least put an edge on my hoes and shovels and mattocks. Got into a conversation with the man's wife who takes the calls at the store (family operation). Again, same answer--they are short-handed because they CAN'T get WORKERS because nobody is applyling for a job---due to not needing a paycheck when they all have SUBSIDIES!


So not only is Biden going to cream businesses with Covid-restrictions and higher corporate taxes---his "stimulus" money is making it IMPOSSIBLE for the businesses to serve the customers they DO have because Biden has made it more profitable to stay home and sit on your ass than work!


And yes folks--we're doomed..................
 
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