Coal as an emergency fuel

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
I've lived along the west coast my whole life, so I don't know much about coal. I've been thinking more and more that there are advantages to coal. I only get to my bug-out/vacation/retirement location every few weeks. I could store propane, but since I am not there to keep any eye on things, the tank or pipes could be damaged and it could leak away. Same deal for diesel/heating oil. I have a limited number of trees to cut down.

Coal, on the other hand, just sits there. I could have a pit dug out, have a ton of coal dropped into it, and forget about it. I can't use coal for generating electricity as I could with propane or diesel, but I've got electricity pretty well licked with solar and wind.

Any thoughts? Is it even possible to get coal in the state of Washington? I don't know anyone who uses it.
 

Robin Hood

Veteran Member
I have a wood/coal stove combo that is a much better coal stove than wood stove. I've used the coal only a dozen or so times. It gives very even warmth and each hopper full lasts about 1/2 day. You have to be careful about CO gas. so I have CO detectors around the house. The smell of coal is also much more acrid than wood. But you are correct, get a ton or two of coal and don't worry about it rotting out. You do have to empty the "clinkers" every other day, so if you go coal, get one that has shaking features to help remove them. Hope this helps.


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Delta

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Actually, there used to be coal mines in Washington state. I don't know where they were/are, but they shipped out of Bellingham I believe. Coal is messy and inconvenient; that is probably the primary reason people quit using it. It could be stockpiled, but then again, for most people that requires precious space.
 

Worrier King

Deceased
Make certain your stove is "solid fuel" as coal will burn so hot it will eventually burn thru mere wood burning stoves.

I remember reading books about the U.S. depression and in England where the poor people would go to the railroad tracks and pick up coal that had fallen off the trains. I've checked more than a few times, and I've yet to see any coal falling off a train in the U.S., they are pretty tidy in loading them nowadays.

That said, I've never burned coal, but it's alwasy been in the back of my mind as a heat source. Never thought about just buying it and burying it just to have in case, thats a darn good idea.

Anyone have ideas on what a ton of coal costs?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
My grandfather raised 18 kids on a small farm in Pennsylvania upon which a spring and an outcrop of coal to the surface provided the water and fuel they needed. They raised their veggies and he hunted for meat and sold ginsing he found in the woods for the things they needed to buy. He never worked for anyone but himself and his family. Self-suffiency is freedom, and you are as free as you are self sufficient.
 

Jeanne51

Inactive
I have a couple bags of coal to use in an emergency. Is it ok to put a few pieces of coal in the fireplace with the logs? Or would that cause creosote build up?
 

don24mac

Veteran Member
Yep, it's about $160/ton loose delivered, three tons minimum around here. But I buy it bagged in 40lb bags at $195/ton. So much more convenient and easy to store in the garage and in the basement where the stove is with the coal all bagged. I used to have a coal bin that held about five tons, but it was in the basement and was very dusty and dirty making the basement unusable for anything else.

Coal burns hot, but very steady. Just shake it down in the morning and add coal. That's it. Depending on the stove, you may have to do it twice a day. I dump the ash in a metal trash can that I empty (brought to the town transfer station at no cost) periodically.

We've heated with it primarily when we first bought our house. Seven years we did that. Now, we used it as a secondary heat source that doesn't require any electricity (although, some stoves come with electric fans, but they are not needed to get heat out of the stove). Of course, any stove that will burn coal will also burn wood (no matter what the EPA says).

In your case, the determining factor would be of course to make sure there is a supplier of coal in your area. Just look in the phone book, or go to a stove shop that sells coal stoves. They would know where/who the coal suppliers in your area are.
 

srmchow

Contributing Member
dissimulo said:
I've lived along the west coast my whole life, so I don't know much about coal. I've been thinking more and more that there are advantages to coal. I only get to my bug-out/vacation/retirement location every few weeks. I could store propane, but since I am not there to keep any eye on things, the tank or pipes could be damaged and it could leak away. Same deal for diesel/heating oil. I have a limited number of trees to cut down.

Coal, on the other hand, just sits there. I could have a pit dug out, have a ton of coal dropped into it, and forget about it. I can't use coal for generating electricity as I could with propane or diesel, but I've got electricity pretty well licked with solar and wind.

Any thoughts? Is it even possible to get coal in the state of Washington? I don't know anyone who uses it.
Dissimulo : I agree with robin hood, the coal wood combo stove is the way to go. Yes it is a lot more work but is well worth it. However 1 ton is not very much coal, we go through 2 tons plus 2 cord every winter here in NW Pa. . Cost is $ 160.00 for 2 tom delivered. Hope this helps you out.:groucho:
 

don24mac

Veteran Member
Jeanne, the coal wouldn't cause any creasote buildup. But, you probably would have difficulty get the coal to burn in a regular fireplace. Coal needs a grate and a good flow of air through the coal bed to burn. It also had to have a hot bed of wood to get going. The strong flow of air through a bed of coals would be difficult to obtain in a fireplace, I would think.

Just throwing a few pieces in over a hot bed of wood coals wouldn't hurt anything.
 

Windy Ridge

Veteran Member
If your stove is lined with firebrick and has a grate above the ashpit it can burn coal. If your coal forms clinkers, a shaker is highly desirable. My area gets coal from a Wyoming open pit mine. It is subbituminous coal and burns down to an ash like wood but more dense. It sells for $70 a ton and you can buy it by the bucket full or the pickup load. It comes in two sizes, stoker and lump. Stoker will fall through an ordinary fireplace grating. The lump coal is from stoker size up to huge lumps of 30lbs. or more. Bashing the big lumps with a hammer tends to break it up into stoker sized bits. A small straight edged screwdriver applied to promising cracks and tapped lightly with a hammer breaks them up into chunks that can be lifted with one hand and last for many hours in the stove. Small bits can be burned by putting them in a lunch sized paper bag and putting the bag on top of a mass of red hot coals. Almost all of it will burn before falling through the grating.

Stored coal should be kept dry. If it gets wet it will absorb some of the water. If it freezes this will cause cracking and eventually will reduce the big lumps to gravel or even sand size. My leftover coal from 2004 is now being burned in the paper bags.

I don't use a CO detector. The smell of the coal is enough of an alert that there isn't enough draft. If you should be so foolish as to get a cast iron stove red hot carbon monoxide can actually migrate THROUGH the cast iron.

Windy Ridge
 

homepark

Resist
In western PA, 3 tons of nut anthracite delivered costs $255.

BTW, I love the smell of coal in the air on a bitter cold day outside. It brings back a lot of pleasant memories.
 

Y2kO

Inactive
I've checked more than a few times, and I've yet to see any coal falling off a train in the U.S.,

That's because it is mainly shipped by river barge and then trucked from there.

Coal does not burn well in air-tight stoves. The old-time stoves designed for coal had coal stokers, which not only augered the coal into the fire bin but also blasted air into the combustion chamber whenever the theromostat indicated that heat was needed. Under these ideal conditions, you could heat your home with coal. The best you can do today is to mix in it in with wood but it won't burn very well in an air-tight stove. Wood is superior in today's air-tight stoves. And if you open up the air intakes for long periods of time, you will warp the grates and steel plates.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Well, I couldn't let this thread go by without commenting....

Here in the Anthracite coal area of Eastern PA, a ton can be had for $92. Of course, it is mined right here. I am sure the cost is higher after it is transported any distance. I currently use a Vermont Castings/Vigilant II stove in my rec room. No electricity required. It throws 50,000 BTUs, and a 5 gallon bucket of coal will last 24 hours, but there is a skill to working a coal fire Some considerations:

Coal fires burn differently in different weather/air pressures/air temps. More draft is required when it's cloudy or precipitation is falling. Less draft is needed in windy conditions. Some coal stoves have dampers built into them (mine has a plate across the top that can be opened or closed). You can also put a manual damper into the stove pipe (basically just a metal plate on a pin that you can turn to different positions...$7 retail). This can be placed anywhere in the pipe, and can be easily adjusted to control draft.

Raking the ashes is an art too. Rake too much, and your fire will lose its base and go out. Rake not enough, and the ashes will build up and your fire will go out. Each stove has its own personality. After a little while, you know how much to rake it.

When you first build a fire, you will need either wood or charcoal briquets to get things started. Coal needs a high temp before it will ignite. Also, all coal does not burn the same. There is good coal and average coal. Some veins have better coal than other veins. Good coal burns consistently and it lasts a long time in the fire. There is no way of knowing how good the coal is before you burn it, but all coal burns - it's just that some burns better. Coal certainly does store well, doesn't it? It's been in the ground a long time.

My ancestors certainly did "pick coal" back in the depression years. The trains would lose pieces of coal as they rumbled along the tracks, and the younger children would be sent out to retrieve it. The older kids were employed at the breakers as "slate pickers." Their job was to remove the slate from the coal on conveyor belts as it rushed by - a very tough job. Their hands wound be bleeding in no time, I've been told.

I chuckle at this historical point involving the Civil War draft: the government agents who enforced the draft steered clear of the coal region in Pennsylvania. They were afraid to even show their faces around here. You see, my ancestors weren't kind to guys who didn't have calluses on their hands...and there are a whole lot of places to dump bodies too. The first organized labor movement in the States was right here as well - a group known as the Molly Maguires. In the late 1800s, these abused miners fought back in some violent ways, as perhaps some of you know...but I'll stop rambling now...like I said before, I couldn't resist.
 

CountryboyinGA

Inactive
ainitfunny said:
My grandfather raised 18 kids on a small farm in Pennsylvania upon which a spring and an outcrop of coal to the surface provided the water and fuel they needed. They raised their veggies and he hunted for meat and sold ginsing he found in the woods for the things they needed to buy. He never worked for anyone but himself and his family. Self-suffiency is freedom, and you are as free as you are self sufficient.

You speak the TRUTH.

Sadly, this is why the .gov hates it so much. When you live like this, you don't NEED them!

CBinGA
 
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