CORONA CNN: ‘Don’t Be Alarmed’ if People Start Dying After Taking the Vaccine

marymonde

Veteran Member
Covid was blamed for killing the elderly, but apparently the vaccine with no liability, is getting a pass if deaths occur in the elderly. If you’re old and get the vaccine and die, it’s not because of the vaccine......

In an article on the COVID vaccine rollout, CNN says that Americans shouldn’t be alarmed if people start dying after taking the vaccine because “deaths may occur that won’t necessarily have anything to do with the vaccine.”

The advisory appeared in an article titled ‘Why vaccinate our most frail? Odd vote out shows the dilemma’ in which Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition, cautions that vaccines don’t work as well on the frail and elderly compared to healthy people.
“When shots begin to go into arms of residents, Moore said Americans need to understand that deaths may occur that won’t necessarily have anything to do with the vaccine,” states the report.

“We would not at all be surprised to see, coincidentally, vaccination happening and then having someone pass away a short time after they receive a vaccine, not because it has anything to do with the vaccination but just because that’s the place where people at the end of their lives reside,” Moore said.

She then said Americans shouldn’t be alarmed to see people dying a day or two after receiving the COVID vaccination.

“One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility. That would be something we would expect, as a normal occurrence, because people die frequently in nursing homes.”

While deaths in care homes of people who take the vaccine are described as normal and nothing to do with the vaccine, some would suggest that you could make the exact same argument about deaths of those with multiple comorbidities in care homes that were put down to COVID.

Many have and have been shouted down for doing so.
 

Backwoods Chic

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“One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility. That would be something we would expect, as a normal occurrence, because people die frequently in nursing homes.”

This is unreal! I agree, these people are crazy!
 

IceWave

Veteran Member
So, according to "them"....

Take the vaccine -> die -> definitely NOT the vaccine's fault
Drown in a pool -> die -> definitely Covid19
Fall off a tall building and break your neck -> die -> definitely Covid19
Be hit by a meteor from space -> die -> most definitely Covid19

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bluelady

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"...we haven't studied how well it works in that group yet."

"I have spent my career studying vaccines in older adults. And we have traditionally tried a vaccine in a young healthy population and then hoped it works in our frail older adults," she told the committee ahead of her vote. "And so we enter this realm of 'we hope it works, and we hope it's safe,' and that concerns me on many levels."

"Right now, we just don't have the data to know how well the vaccines will work in these folks, and so we're going to need to be cautious at first because we know they are by far the most vulnerable to severe illness and death from Covid. We're going to play it really carefully until we know for sure that these vaccines will really be effective at protecting them,"

What does "play it really carefully" mean when they plan to mass vaccinate nursing home residents?

So the elderly will be part of an experimental study without their consent. Hmmmm.......
 
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marymonde

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Oh, it gets better. Translation, we want to get the maximum amount of money out of you, so we will give you doses from different companies to make us very rich. We have no liability, so we have no incentive to collect the data to see if mixing and matching different doses of vaccines will cause any deaths or severe side effects. I guarantee there are zero studies on this, and there never will be.


How people could get 'mix and match' Covid vaccines: UK scientists will trial giving people multiple types of jab to boost different parts of their immune systems

Brits could get 'mix and match' coronavirus vaccines to try and stimulate different parts of their immune systems.

Scientists on the country's Vaccine Taskforce yesterday said they would trial giving people a dose of one type of jab and then a booster with a different type.

But, because they work in different ways, getting doses of different jabs could 'maximise' the immune response and give better, longer lasting protection.

Chief of the UK Vaccine Taskforce, Kate Bingham, said researchers in the UK would start trials of this method, known as 'heterologous prime-boost', next year.

Britain will today become the first country in the world to start vaccinating the public against Covid-19 with a jab made by Pfizer and BioNTech, which was approved by the MHRA regulator after clinical trials suggested it was up to 95 per cent effective.

Two more vaccines – by Oxford University and AstraZeneca, and US pharmaceutical company Moderna – have also had successful clinical trials. Oxford's is expected to be given out by the NHS before the end of the year. 215BEA0C-20EB-4891-B567-42AC8B8E0518.jpeg
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Here is the CNN report itself:

Why vaccinate our most frail? Odd vote out shows the dilemma
Updated 10:02 AM ET, Fri December 4, 2020
(CNN) - Program notes: Watch CNN's "Coronavirus Town Hall: The Vaccines," hosted by Anderson Cooper and Dr. Sanjay Gupta, at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT Friday.

The vote to recommend long-term care residents be among the first to receive Covid-19 vaccinations was not unanimous.

Out of a panel of 14 CDC vaccine advisers, a lone doctor said no.

"Odd woman out, I guess," Dr. Helen "Keipp" Talbot, of Vanderbilt University, told her colleagues. "I still struggle with this. This was not an easy vote."
Talbot was worried about whether the vaccine would even work in such frail, vulnerable patients. Even more, she worried about how it might look if the vaccine failed in that group, or how it would affect public perception if residents died soon after getting the vaccine.

On the other hand, these are the people worst hit by the pandemic. They make up 40% of all deaths so far.

Nursing homes in the Midwest have been particularly hard hit, with a more than 400% increase in weekly cases since mid-September, according to a report published Tuesday by the American Health Care Association and National Center for Assisted Living. During the week of November 15, 49% of new nursing home cases were in the Midwest.

Between mid-September and the week of November 15, there was a 177% rise in new weekly nursing home cases nationwide. The rise in cases has been accompanied by a rise in coronavirus deaths in nursing homes.

"Our worst fears have come true as Covid runs rampant among the general population, and long term care facilities are powerless to fully prevent it from entering due to its asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spread," said Mark Parkinson, the organization's president and CEO.

Simpler logistics
From a practical standpoint the reason to vaccinate is simple.

It is much easier to send a team to a facility and vaccinate everyone who works and lives there at the same time than it is to vaccinate the two groups at different times. Since the vaccine requires two doses, the vaccinators already have to return about 21 days later as it is.

"That's two trips versus four trips, at a minimum," said Dr. Kelly Moore, associate director of the Immunization Action Coalition, which is supporting frontline workers who will administer Covid-19 vaccinations.

"From a practical standpoint of how quickly can we get people vaccinated who need it, it simply simplifies the logistics drastically because people in long-term care can't actually go to a vaccination place. You have to bring the vaccine to them. And so it's much easier if we can vaccinate everyone who needs it on one trip, instead of having to make multiple trips at different times to the same facility over and over."

From a medical standpoint the reason to vaccinate long-term care residents is more complex.
They are the group of Covid-19 patients with the highest mortality rate, and many of the hospitalizations are people who are from long-term care facilities who contract Covid-19 and are hospitalized. When they get sick, it generates a lot of burden on hospitals.

"Those are all very good reasons to vaccinate the residents," Moore said.
But there is also reason for concern. The Covid-19 vaccines have not been tested in the frail elderly, many of whom are residents of long-term care facilities.

"Since they haven't been studied in people in those populations, we don't know how well the vaccine will work for them. We know that most vaccines don't work nearly as well in a frail elderly person as they would in someone who is fit and vigorous, even if they happen to be the same age," Moore said.

"There's a question about the direct benefit of the vaccine, if given to people who live in those facilities, because we haven't studied how well it works in that group yet."

It's this uncertainty that led Talbot to vote no.
"I have spent my career studying vaccines in older adults. And we have traditionally tried a vaccine in a young healthy population and then hoped it works in our frail older adults," she told the committee ahead of her vote. "And so we enter this realm of 'we hope it works, and we hope it's safe,' and that concerns me on many levels."

When shots begin to go into arms of residents, Moore said Americans need to understand that deaths may occur that won't necessarily have anything to do with the vaccine.

"We would not at all be surprised to see, coincidentally, vaccination happening and then having someone pass away a short time after they receive a vaccine, not because it has anything to do with the vaccination but just because that's the place where people at the end of their lives reside," Moore said.

"One of the things we want to make sure people understand is that they should not be unnecessarily alarmed if there are reports, once we start vaccinating, of someone or multiple people dying within a day or two of their vaccination who are residents of a long-term care facility. That would be something we would expect, as a normal occurrence, because people die frequently in nursing homes."

On Tuesday, the American Health Care Association and the National Center for Assisted Living applauded the CDC advisory committee's 13-1 vote to recommend prioritizing their residents.

"More than 100,000 long term care residents have died from this virus in the U.S. and our nursing homes are now experiencing the worst outbreak of new cases since last spring with more than 2,000 residents succumbing to this virus each week," said Parkinson. "We are extremely hopeful this vaccine will literally be a lifesaver for thousands of residents."

Some state governors have begun to indicate that they will follow the CDC's priorities for distributing the vaccine to both healthcare workers and long-term residents.

In Georgia, more than 95% of nursing homes in the state have enrolled with the CDC through partnerships with CVS and Walgreens for vaccine rollout and distribution.

Nationwide, CVS is preparing to administer Covid-19 vaccinations to approximately 2 million long-term care facility residents, according to Chris Cox, senior vice president of CVS Health. Walgreens is preparing to administer the vaccine to approximately 1 million long-term care facility residents, according to Rick Gates, senior vice president of pharmacy and healthcare at Walgreens.

The pharmacy chains plan to store the vaccine at approximately 1,900 "hubs" across the country and then distribute it to more than 48,000 long-term care facilities nationwide.

CVS chief medical officer Dr. Troy Brennan, told CNN's Kate Bolduan on Thursday their plan is to be ready to go as early as December 15.

"We're working with each of the states now, and it will be challenging because each state will be different," Brennan said. "Some states will say just vaccinate the people in the skilled nursing facility. Some states will want us to vaccinate not only the people in the skilled nursing facility but the healthcare workers in those facilities, so those kinds of details are going to vary from state to state."

Ending the isolation
The debate on whether to vaccinate residents of long-term care facilities, and the planning to get the vaccinations done, has occurred as the residents themselves have been largely isolated from family and friends in facilities that have been closed to visitors.

In addition to saving lives, Parkinson said he hopes the vaccine will "expedite the reopening of our facilities to family members and loved ones."
But when that will happen remains unknown.
"The most pressing issue at the moment is ensuring that all long term care staff and residents are the first priority for a vaccine. Long term care facilities will not be able to have any sense of normalcy until a vaccine is administered, and we know that everyone is eager for that to happen," said Cristina Crawford, a spokesperson for the American Health Care Association, in an email to CNN. "We hope to be able to discuss what next steps look like once a vaccine is being delivered and administered to staff and residents across the country."

Moore said not to expect a change in policy out of the gate.

"Right now, we just don't have the data to know how well the vaccines will work in these folks, and so we're going to need to be cautious at first because we know they are by far the most vulnerable to severe illness and death from Covid. We're going to play it really carefully until we know for sure that these vaccines will really be effective at protecting them," Moore said.

"As we learn more and we see if the vaccine works really well in these groups, then certainly my hope is that we can help these folks reconnect with their families because they need each other."
 

bluelady

Veteran Member
‘It doesn’t stop her getting it and doesn’t stop her transmitting it necessarily .’

What effect does the vaccine have?

@Drhilaryjones explains what the vaccine will mean for Margaret Keenan, the first person to receive the Covid-19 vaccine in the UK.
View: https://twitter.com/gmb/status/1336207518373122049?s=21

So if all it does is *maybe* lessen the effects *when* you get the virus...I've got that covered with my drawer full of D, C, zinc, etc. etc. They can use my senior-citizen-priority vaccine on some other sucker down the line.
 

frazbo

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marymonde

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So if all it does is *maybe* lessen the effects *when* you get the virus...I've got that covered with my drawer full of D, C, zinc, etc. etc. They can use my senior-citizen-priority vaccine on some other sucker down the line.
I agree. He actually says it “probably” will lessen effects. Do you know how many times I heard that same line at the nursing home while they gave flu shots? And then everyone still got sick from the flu. It’s the SAME exact bs they’ve been using for years!

I’ve been following the Brits today on this. The amount of info coming out is huge. This is worse than I thought.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
WOW.

So, we give five residents the vaccine and four die next week. Not to worry, simply a coincidence that four of the five died becuase they were old anyway, and in a nursing home, so porbably were going to all die at the same time anyway. Nothing to see here, move along.

And the most disturbing fact is CNN is now become the nazi propaganda machine that they accuse us of being. I really hope that the educated people in America will not believe this BS.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Those that can, please check my update in the Bomb Shelter, Nightwolf will be doing a write up in the next few days that I will post here in the public area, but right now he is still researching so we want to keep it in the private area until he has all the information he can get.

It is related to this, but concerns younger people...
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
WOW.

So, we give five residents the vaccine and four die next week. Not to worry, simply a coincidence that four of the five died becuase they were old anyway, and in a nursing home, so porbably were going to all die at the same time anyway. Nothing to see here, move along.

And the most disturbing fact is CNN is now become the nazi propaganda machine that they accuse us of being. I really hope that the educated people in America will not believe this BS.
My sisters signed my mom up to get the vaccine. She agreed to it. I went over every concerning detail with her a couple weeks ago and she was against getting it. Somehow she was convinced Trump dropped the ball with covid, and he knew there was a vaccine in the works, and he withheld it as long as he could. She’s literally getting it because she hates Trump. I’m not kidding.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
“deaths may occur that won’t necessarily have anything to do with the vaccine.”

......yeah like maybe there are other things lurking in that vaccine meant to do that .........which we won't be informed about that target a select population to..........well get rid of them sooner than later?

big WTF on that one...............
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Those that can, please check my update in the Bomb Shelter, Nightwolf will be doing a write up in the next few days that I will post here in the public area, but right now he is still researching so we want to keep it in the private area until he has all the information he can get.

It is related to this, but concerns younger people...
Went there and highly recommend checking it out.
 

Dystonic

Senior Member
Son of a... My parents tested positive the day before Thanksgiving. They got their first negatives today, big thank you to the man upstairs!

I asked when their second test is and she said Thursday. She asked what happens next? I said she’s off quarantine and mentioned the vaccine rollout in the UK.

She asked what I thought and I said we’ll probably never know the truth. Out of the 20 million vaccines, 5 million could be dead in six months. And since heart attacks and everything seems to have disappeared, most likely that’s what they’ll blame it on. Anything but the vaccine.
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
Ya'all realize that doctors and nurses will be the first to get the vaccine? What if they all die off? We'd be screwed.
I’ve thought the same thing. However, Someone mentioned they believe, initially, the healthcare workers will be given a saline injection disguised as the vaccine. This in turn will give confidence to the public that there will be no side effects. I can see pharma doing whatever they need to do to gain the public’s trust, even through deceit.
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
I’m going to try and locate the info I read a few weeks ago. Pharmaceutical companies usually do not use a saline placebo for their trials, they use a different vaccine as the placebo. Astra Zeneca swore they were going to use a saline placebo, they’ve been caught before using another vaccine. In the middle of the covid vaccine trial, they switched the saline placebo to the meningococcal vaccine. This ensures you get basically the same ingredients, with the exception of the antigen, to compare. It’s a freaking scandal. Now remember this as you are reading this story. They do not detail who received what in the control group...


At the same time, the FDA said that currently there is not enough research to guarantee the vaccine’s safety for immunocompromized groups, pregnant women and children.

Israel’s Midaat Association responded to the report on the deaths, explaining that when vaccines are administered to at-risk populations “there may be unfortunate cases. One should not infer from this about the safety of the vaccine, but welcome the transparency required from the pharma companies in the drug approval process.”

The association noted that in large trials of tens of thousands of people, death can occur without any connection to the trial, but that companies such as Pfizer are required to report those deaths.

“According to the published data, six of the participants in the experiment died, two of whom received the vaccine and four of the control group,” said Dr. Uri Lerner, the scientific director for Midaat. “After an in-depth examination, no connection was found between the experiment and the cause of death.”
 
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Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
“deaths may occur that won’t necessarily have anything to do with the vaccine.”

......yeah like maybe there are other things lurking in that vaccine meant to do that .........which we won't be informed about that target a select population to..........well get rid of them sooner than later?

big WTF on that one...............
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 

Mprepared

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bassgirl

Veteran Member
My sisters signed my mom up to get the vaccine. She agreed to it. I went over every concerning detail with her a couple weeks ago and she was against getting it. Somehow she was convinced Trump dropped the ball with covid, and he knew there was a vaccine in the works, and he withheld it as long as he could. She’s literally getting it because she hates Trump. I’m not kidding.
I swear these people have been taken over by some subliminal messaging sci fi crap. My nephews have gone this route as well. They were raised better, very smart, have done well, and have gone off the deep end for no apparent reason. It makes no sense!
 

Mprepared

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I knew it. People will drop dead. They have declared war. I am not sure WHO THEY are, but at least the baby boomers they want dead, but people all smug, thinking grandma and old daddy in the nursing home will be taken care of and they are young (35 of today ain't the same model your grandma was made of) and the so called young and healthy are going to drop like flies, but don't be alarmed. LOL
 
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