SOFT NEWS Christopher Nolan's "The Odyssey" (2026)

Zahra

Veteran Member
I'm SO sick of shows casting blacks in outrageously inaccurate historical roles on purpose to historically genocide the white race. I refuse to watch shows like Bridgerton! Casting a black man as a Russian noble in A Gentleman in Moscow almost made me not watch the show at all. I'm more than fed up by it all! Don't get me wrong... I like Idris Elba and other black actors in appropriate roles, but I don't care for the historical misrepresentation any more than I'd like a Caucasian cast as Shaka Zulu!

ETA - I doubt her face would inspire a single Greek to save her let alone an army!
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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The only "race swaps" I'm on-board with are those where the performance is more important than the character. I'm thinking of Denzel Washington in the Kenneth Branagh film production of "Much ado about Nothing". Swaps like Nolan's Helen or the Harry Potter series' version of Snape are very obviously done for political reasons, not because the actor/actress is so towering that they disappear into the role.
 

Haybails

I got my first Timebomb!
They did the same thing when they screwed up the film adaptation of Stephen King's "The Dark Tower".

In Stephen King's The Dark Tower series, Roland Deschain (the story's main character) is described as a white man with a very specific, rugged, and aged appearance.
  • Appearance in Books: He is often described as having blue, "bombardier's eyes," black hair turning grey, and a "long, tall, and ugly" appearance. He is described as appearing quite similar to a young Stephen King or in the mold of Clint Eastwood (the "Man with No Name").
  • Significance of Ethnicity: Roland’s ethnicity is tied to the narrative. In The Drawing of the Three, his white ethnicity is a specific point of racial tension between him and the character Odetta Holmes (Detta Walker), who despises white men.
  • Portrayal: While literary descriptions firmly establish him as white, he was portrayed by Idris Elba in the 2017 film adaptation, a casting choice that departed from the source material.
P.S. - that movie bombed.

HB
 

Dystonic

Veteran Member
The first time I saw a white character in a book get the darkie treatment was in 1993. I had read the Michael Crichton book Rising Sun and it was all about a recently promoted white detective dealing with a Japanese corporation covering up a murder. It starred Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery and I figured they could still stay close to the book.

Oh no! At one point in the book, the white guy gets beat up by Yakuza thugs and spends a few days in the hospital. Now, Snipes is an untouchable karate master who doesn't get a scratch on him. During a shootout, instead of getting shot, Snipes takes out a half a dozen more Yakuza. The mixed race woman whose father was a G.I. in post war Japan now has a black dad.

Granted, they did get the part right where the white woman was accidentally killed by a Japanese businessman with a fetish. And before I forget, Crichton had to include a disclaimer that this book was sensitive and solely reflected his views regarding the Japanese.
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
The first time I saw a white character in a book get the darkie treatment was in 1993. I had read the Michael Crichton book Rising Sun and it was all about a recently promoted white detective dealing with a Japanese corporation covering up a murder. It starred Wesley Snipes and Sean Connery and I figured they could still stay close to the book.

Oh no! At one point in the book, the white guy gets beat up by Yakuza thugs and spends a few days in the hospital. Now, Snipes is an untouchable karate master who doesn't get a scratch on him. During a shootout, instead of getting shot, Snipes takes out a half a dozen more Yakuza. The mixed race woman whose father was a G.I. in post war Japan now has a black dad.

Granted, they did get the part right where the white woman was accidentally killed by a Japanese businessman with a fetish. And before I forget, Crichton had to include a disclaimer that this book was sensitive and solely reflected his views regarding the Japanese.
Book was good...movie was meh...I believe I remember hearing/reading somewhere back in '93 that Snipes "pitched a fit" until they added his fight scene to the movie, but I also remember comments about him being a colossal douche on the set of Blade III.
 

Rucus Sunday

Veteran Member
The only "race swaps" I'm on-board with are those where the performance is more important than the character. I'm thinking of Denzel Washington in the Kenneth Branagh film production of "Much ado about Nothing". Swaps like Nolan's Helen or the Harry Potter series' version of Snape are very obviously done for political reasons, not because the actor/actress is so towering that they disappear into the role.
As with his sonnets, several of Shakespeare's plays have transcended racial bounderies. Much Ado About Nothing is one. Richard II and Henry VIII are not, unless the titles are changed.
 

auxman

Deus vult...
Skscartoon:

Race-swapping in these movies is essentially the same as putting black faces on traditional European stories. It’s not fighting racism — it is racism.


DogeDesigner:

David Rubin served as President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences from 2019 to 2022.

In 2020, under his leadership, the Academy launched the “Representation and Inclusion Standards” for Best Picture eligibility. These rules, still in effect, require films to meet at least 2 of 4 diversity criteria involving race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, or disability in on-screen roles, creative leadership, or crew.

Rubin publicly backed the changes and helped appoint the task force co-led by producer DeVon Franklin.

He shifted the Oscars from “best movie wins” to race/gender engineering. A film can now be ineligible for the top prize purely for failing demographic quotas, regardless of quality or audience impact.

Instead of focusing purely on talent and storytelling, the Academy under Rubin institutionalized identity preferences.

Oscars prestige and viewership have tanked. Many see it as performative politics over art. Classics with non-diverse casts would be disqualified.

He helped install the DEI machinery that turned awards into checkboxes and accelerated Hollywood’s quality decline.

View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2055614044347011256
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Christopher Nolan’s The Odyssey is looking like straight-up liberal woke trash.

They’re using Emily Wilson’s 2017 translation that dumbs down the language, pushes female characters and power dynamics instead of masculinity, and turns Odysseus into a less heroic, morally “complicated” weakling.

Casting is a total disaster: Elliot Page as Achilles’ ghost (from Brad Pitt to a tranny — what a downgrade), Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy (race-swapped, zero “face that launched a thousand ships”), Zendaya as Athena, and Travis Scott as the bard doing rap-style poetry in the movie.

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Moza

Senior Member
Just imagine some producer will cast a white Jewish Israeli man as Jesus attending the Passover Seder as shown in painting of The Last Supper. What is this world coming to?

Google:
"Cynthia Erivo starred as Jesus in the 2025 Hollywood Bowl production of Jesus Christ Superstar a performance that drew significant controversy and backlash from some conservative Christian groups regarding the gender-bent casting of a Black queer women in the title role."
 

Nahal81

Contributing Member
I mean, we can just decide to not go and see it. "Vote with your wallet" or however the saying goes. What do we care if Hollywood wants to waste it's money on things?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I mean, we can just decide to not go and see it. "Vote with your wallet" or however the saying goes. What do we care if Hollywood wants to waste it's money on things?
In a monetary way, you are correct. On the other hand, I care because if this doesn't fail at the box office, an entire generation of kids is likely to view this as their introduction to one of the greatest and foundational epics of Western Civilization. A story told millions of times, around millions of campfires, for thousands of years.

Like my Dad, for thousands of years, literate parents have read this to their tiny children, and adults have seen themselves reflected in the timeless characters portrayed in the story.

What bothers me about the way this movie seems to be handled (and I won't be certain it is out) is that the narrative changes are so out of context and all over the place.

For example, Helen, her actual father was supposed to be the God Zeus, who turned himself into a swan to seduce her mother to come over and pet the animal, and then he raped her. Want a black Helen that fits the narrative, or at least doesn't break it? Have Zeus turn into something mythical in Greece: A Black Swan.

Simple, elegant, and does not require the same actress to play her siter. But now pick the most talented and beautiful black women you can find, probably someone like the actress they are using, who is actually mixed race (I'm guessing black, Spanish, and Native American). The current actress might pull that off if the costuming and such were done correctly, make her look like a Princess of Sparta, but that's not what I'm seeing from the previews.

The one that I hope isn't true, either that or I hope the individual is the most talented actor ever seen, is the rumor that 100 pounds of Eliot Page are supposed to play the part of the greatest warrior of Bronze Age Greece. Achilles can be played by a delicate actor, after all, he was hidden on the girls' side of the castle when the military came looking for him. But he needs to be tallish, well-muscled for his size, and look like a hero.

I like some of Eliot's work, and I could see him in several major roles in this sort of epic, perhaps even as Petroculus (though that's a stretch). Since one wore the other's armor in battle, at least once, they have to be around the same size, though. While I don't know if it will be in an Odyssey movie, I think Eliot would be brilliant as the very twisted and deranged son of Achilles, who shows up at the end of the Iliad and demands a young Trojan Princess be sacrificed to be a bride for his dead father.

Heck, I could even see him playing Paris, except I suspect the actress playing Helen is too tall for that to work.

In any case, there are plenty of roles in the epic that can be played by all sorts of actors from all sorts of backgrounds. There's the queen who keeps Odysseus enchanted (a couple of them, actually), who could be of any race; there are crew members who can be played with, as they are not well fleshed out in the original story.

There are all kinds of things a good director can do to encourage a greater diversity of casting without creating this sort of situation. The demands that award-winning films include specific categories of people are also crazy, in my opinion. This isn't staffing a law office; this is entertainment and storytelling.

Sometimes things surprise you. I had to write a performance script for the abduction of Demeter, and at the last moment, my Apollo, who was the narrator, became ill and was replaced by an actor friend who was about 6'4" and looked like he should be playing Chaka Zulu.

It was a small performance, I was terrified, and he completely won the day. A professional actor can convince you they are almost anything if they are good enough. But the average person or audience is only willing to go so far down that road if things are so completely unexpected that they break the narrative.

I suspect that this may be what happens here, so much "out-there" and obviously "woke" casting and scripting isn't likely to resonate with audiences. There may be some surprises, but I'm not too hopeful at this point.
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
This one looks like she's straight out of the Learing Center. Just another skinny.
I thought that too, but then I saw other pics of her and she really is pretty. The picture of her in this thread is I believe from 12 days a Slave, but I may have the title wrong. THat being said, Helen was white, and is a historical figure, just like Cleopatra and Anne Boelyn. None of them were dark skinned. It would be like casting a white Queen of Sheba-she was Ethiopian, so definitely not white. Pandering is wrong.
 

vector7

Dot Collector

raven

TB Fanatic
The boredom factor must be approaching critical pressures to have to resort to ethnic cleansing and cultural appropriation.

So, if you ask your google or your AI, you might find it interesting that Africa's population is not exclusively Black. While the vast majority—roughly 80% to 85% of the continent's population—is Black, Africa is one of the most ethnically, genetically, and racially diverse continents in the world.

Countries spanning the northern coast (such as Egypt, Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia) are primarily populated by Arab and Berber ethnicities. Culturally and phenotypically, these populations are largely distinct from sub-Saharan African demographics.

The Arab and Berber (Amazigh) populations of North Africa are not of Negro (Sub-Saharan African) origin.
Modern genetic, linguistic, and archaeological sciences show that North African populations developed from a distinct, separate evolutionary lineage that is much closer to West Eurasian and Mediterranean populations than to Sub-Saharan African populations.

Egypt. Not Negro. Arab and Berber.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
And that Europa of EU fame? She was a olive skinned Lebanese woman with black hair, that covered her back and arms and was said to have mated with a bull to produce a bull child . . .

OK. Zeus.

But the minotaur was in there somewhere.
 
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