INTL China workers protesting after 10 die in locked-down high rise fire.

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
Cowgirl, you are not taking this over, on the contrary you have an inside track into what is going on there and that is extremely valuable. Considering how much the CCP probably monitors everything that goes on electronically in that country, your friend is quite brave in sending what she is sending. Just my humble opinion of course but eyes on the scene are the best intelligence.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I really don’t mean to take this over… I’m not an expert on China by any means.

My friend in Shanghai and I talked about how detrimental the lockdowns have been on children. They were locked down for 3 months (I think it ended in early summer? I’m not sure.) It took a significant toll on her son and that’s why she was talking to me from her son’s school. He is failing so badly and is so stressed and depressed. He had depression tendencies before. I guess she never took it seriously. But now it’s threatening his ability to test into high school. If he can’t pass his exams he won’t be able to go to high school (high school is not a “given” in China. You have to have high scores in middle school in order to continue to move forward.) That’s why their kids ARE under a tremendous amount of stress.

That said… and this is a HUGE deal…. a student stole a fruit knife from a teacher a couple weeks ago. He tried to stab a fellow student. The teacher screamed at the students to grab him and they successfully disarmed him. Now the school makes this boy’s parents sit with the him at school. They can WFH while they sit there. That was the only way they’d let him back in.

You post anything you want here, Cowgirl. We need to know. Thanks for posting what you have so far....
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Please sit down before you watch this and pass out. DR FAUCI ADMITS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS RIGHT about the China virus. I need oxygen...these scientist in China...we have worked with for decades.

RT 40secs
View: https://twitter.com/kingojungle/status/1596956611037188096?s=20&t=MdCO9LKGIbEayZFumjVyFA


China protests. This is why we should never give up our right to bear arms (the Dems are working so hard to remove). This is exactly what it is meant for. Now they have to throw things
RT 15secs
View: https://twitter.com/kingojungle/status/1596962094070771712?s=20&t=MdCO9LKGIbEayZFumjVyFA


This week Joe Biden weaponized the ATF against gun manufacturers, Soros will buy multiple Spanish language conservative talk radio stations and people were burned alive inside their locked down homes in China. And the media got sheeple to focus on Kanye and Nick Fuentes instead.
View: https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/1596934932269449216?s=20&t=MdCO9LKGIbEayZFumjVyFA


QUESTION: “Coming out of the holidays, should parents expect schools to shut down?”

FAUCI: "I don't know, Margaret. I'm not sure.”
RT 45secs
View: https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1596957459985244160?s=20&t=mlyIhCK8ttTrF0fskHemSQ
 

Cowgirl4christ

Senior Member

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
Main stream media all over this now. It will be nice to have some sunshine focused on the chicom cockroaches. Bottles, gasoline and wicks get em ready over there. and start flinging at the tyvek coated ones and their state security apparatus minions.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Meanwhile, in China
RT 10secs
View: https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1596998312212983808?t=kfdIX60eqVgy0rgCk-_ZPA&s=19


What are they spraying?!!!

My guess...aerosol based vaccines
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View: https://twitter.com/freakingme80/status/1597000685442113536?t=Ahp-wI2PlDMgClDmgWHPvg&s=19
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
It’s all fun and games until the tanks show up, then it will be Budapest all over again. This will however change the timeline for Taiwan, since now the military will be used to quell the rebellion.
The likely sanctions in that case may be the last straw to push the CCP over the edge.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
At SOME point the chants will become "The WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING!!" And THEN the fat WILL be in the fire!!

(Yes, just like the movie... OR the actual demonstrations in Diamond Dick Daley's Shitcongo.[1968])
 

vector7

Dot Collector
John Kirby on the protests in China: "The President's not going to speak for protesters around the world. They're speaking for themselves."
RT 22secs
View: https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1597325197702402048?s=20&t=9wdOvtsE0EP4iTx8Gd78Sg


JoBama and the DNC/DS views on China...they're compromised.

"WE WANT TO SEE CHINA RISE" Joe Biden spent decades kowtowing to communist China and hoping "for their continued expansion.”
RT 1min
View: https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1597277329004564482?s=20&t=9wdOvtsE0EP4iTx8Gd78Sg
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm.....

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4 minute read November 28, 20229:10 AM PST Last Updated 14 min ago

China's lockdown protests spread to campuses and cities abroad​

By Jessie Pang







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China's lockdown protests reverberate abroad

HONG KONG, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Protests against China's strict zero-COVID policy and restrictions on freedoms have spread to at least a dozen cities around the world in a show of solidarity with rare displays of defiance in China over the weekend.

Expatriate dissidents and students staged small-scale vigils and protests in cities around the world including London, Paris, Tokyo and Sydney, according to a Reuters tally.

In most cases, dozens of people attended the protests, though a few drew more than 100, the tally showed.

The gatherings are a rare instance of Chinese people uniting in anger at home and abroad.
The protests on the mainland were triggered by a fire in China's Xinjiang region last week that killed 10 people who were trapped in their apartments. Protesters said lockdown measures were partly to blame, though officials denied that.

On Monday evening, dozens of protesters gathered in Hong Kong's Central business district, the scene of sometimes-violent anti-government demonstrations in 2019.

"I think this is the normal right of people expressing their opinion. I think they should not suppress this kind of right," said Lam, a 50-year-old Hong Kong citizen.

Dozens of students also gathered at the campus of the Chinese University of Hong Kong to mourn those who died in Xinjiang, according to video footage online.

The White House national security council said in a statement the U.S. believed it would be difficult for China to "control this virus through their zero COVID strategy," adding, that "everyone has the right to peacefully protest, here in the United States and around the world. This includes in the PRC."

U.N. Human Rights Office spokesperson Jeremy Laurence, in an email on Monday, urged "the authorities to respond to protests in line with international human rights laws and standards."

Laurence added that allowing broad debate across society could "help shape public policies, ensure they are better understood and are ultimately more effective."

'SUPPORT FROM ABROAD'​

Since President Xi Jinping assumed power a decade ago, authorities have clamped down hard on dissent, tightening controls on civil society, the media and the internet.

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But a strict policy aimed at stamping out COVID with lockdowns and quarantine has become a lightning rod for frustrations. While it has kept China's death toll much lower than those of many other countries, it has come at a cost of long spells of confinement at home for millions and damage to the world's second-biggest economy.

Nevertheless, Chinese officials say it must be maintained to save lives, especially among the elderly, given their low vaccination rates.

Some overseas protesters said it was their turn to take on some of the burden their friends and family had been enduring.

"It's what I should do. When I saw so many Chinese citizens and students take to the streets, my feeling is they have shouldered so much more than we have," said graduate student Chiang Seeta, one of the organisers of a demonstration in Paris on Sunday that drew about 200 people.

"We're now showing support for them from abroad," Chiang said.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson told a regular briefing on Monday that China was not aware of any protests abroad calling for an end to the zero-COVID policy.

Asked about the protests at home, the spokesperson said the question did not "reflect what actually happened" and said China believed the fight against COVID would be successful with the leadership of the party and the cooperation of the people.

BLAME, SLOGANS​

It has been common in recent years for overseas Chinese students to rally in support of their government against its critics, but anti-government protests have been rare.

Outside the Pompidou Centre in Paris, some protesters brought flowers and lit candles for those killed in the Xinjiang fire.

Some blamed President Xi Jinping and the Communist Party and demanded their removal from office.

Defiance towards Xi has become increasingly public after a dissident hung a banner on a Beijing bridge last month ahead of a Communist Party Congress, criticising Xi for clinging to power and the zero-COVID policy.

About 90 people gathered at Shinjuku, one of Tokyo’s busiest train stations, on Sunday, among them a university student from Beijing who said any protests in China against COVID rules would inevitably focus blame on the Communist Party.

"At the core of it is China's system,” said the student, who asked to be identified as just Emmanuel.

But some protesters were uncomfortable with more belligerent slogans.

An organiser of a protest planned for later on Monday at Columbia University in New York, who asked to be identified as Shawn, said she would steer clear of sensitive issues such as Taiwan's status and China's mass internment of ethnic Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

"We know that may alienate a lot of people," said Shawn from the Chinese city of Fuzhou.

Reporting by Jessie Pang; additional reporting by Emma Farge and Susan Heavey; Editing by James Pomfret, Robert Birsel, Andrew Heavens and Bernadette Baum
 

desert_fox

Threadkiller
As much as I like seeing this happen in China I am wondering how all of a sudden these videos are getting out.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm.....

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The policy mistakes behind China’s Covid protests​

Asia Times econometric analysis shows how it’s all gone wrong for China’s ‘zero-Covid’ attempt to contain the fast-spreading virus

By DAVID P. GOLDMAN
NOVEMBER 28, 2022

NEW YORK – China’s rolling lockdowns of cities with Covid-19 outbreaks have been erratic and in some cases incompetent, as provincial officials dithered in the face of a rising infection rate that spilled over into Beijing, Guangdong and other major cities. That’s the conclusion of an econometric analysis of case transmission by region conducted by […]

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China’s Covid protests could go anywhere from here​

‘Zero-Covid’ demonstrations are sweeping China and anything could happen next as Beijing grapples with how to reimpose nationwide order

By DAVID S G GOODMAN
NOVEMBER 28, 2022

Public protests in China related to the government’s Covid-19 restrictions have hit the news worldwide over the weekend, following a fatal apartment fire in Urumqi, Xinjiang last week which killed ten people.

Many internet users claimed some residents could not escape because the apartment building was partially locked down, though authorities denied this.

There have been reports some demonstrators have called for President Xi Jinping, the newly re-elected General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, to stand down. Others have criticized the rule of the party itself.

China’s Covid measures are among the strictest in the world, as it continues to pursue lockdowns to suppress the virus – what it calls a “dynamic zero Covid” policy.

While these protests are certainly serious challenges to authority, they should be kept in perspective. In particular, there’s no real parallel to those in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

These are street protests where the demonstrators disperse after marching and protesting, and the main focus of the protests are the Covid restrictions rather than wider political principles.

The main issue here is frustration not just with Covid restrictions but the inconsistent ways these measures are being implemented. At least in the short term, the state’s reactions are likely to be muted. There’s undoubtedly pressure for change, though how this will be achieved is hard to predict.

A more national response​

Protests in China have actually become quite common in the last couple of decades, though they almost always center around a specific issue and are highly localized.

Workers in a factory may protest over lack of payment or deteriorating conditions. Villagers forced to resettle so that their land can be redeveloped attempt resistance, sometimes even to the extent of refusing to be moved away. Residents in new housing estates become mobilized to complain about the lack of promised roads, retail outlets and services.

These kinds of protests are usually resolved reasonably and quickly not least by state officials intervening to ensure solutions in the name of maintaining stability.

Less capable of such instant solutions are protests about more general principles, such as freedom of expression, legal representation, or governmental responsibilities. In such cases, government responses have tended to suppress the concerns.

But such protests have almost always been localized and not led to any sense of a regional or national movement. This has even been true of industrial disputes where workers have protested in one or more factories under a single brand or owner.

There’s no evidence at this stage that this is an organized national movement. But it seems protesters in each city have been emboldened by the actions of demonstrators in others.

Reading China’s social media it’s clear, for example, that demonstrators in Beijing and Shanghai report on each others’ protests, as well as commenting on the initial protest causes in Urumqi.

To date, police reactions have varied between locations. Some police were said to have been allowing demonstrations to continue. But in other places, minor scuffles have been reported, including some arrests.

Off the streets and away from the demonstrators, asymptomatic residents of apartment blocks in lockdown have occasionally continued to protest.

Student demands​

Some 40 students at China’s leading Peking University issued a declaration on Sunday that criticized “the implementation of the dynamic zero policy.”

They said the Covid-zero policies had an increasing number of problems and have led to “horrible tragedies”, though they also acknowledged the importance and effectiveness of the safety measures implemented earlier in the pandemic.

They also said: “The most urgent task now is to find a temporary way of coexistence that minimizes the danger of the epidemic while ensuring basic social order and basic economic and livelihood needs.”

To this end, they propose five key measures:

  1. “To avoid the abuse of public power, all regional quarantine blockades should be stopped to ensure that all people in communities, villages, units and schools can enter and leave freely”
  2. “Abolish technical means to monitor the whereabouts of citizens, such as passcodes and [health code] cell phone tracking app. Stop considering the spread of the epidemic as the responsibility of certain individuals or institutions. Devote resources to long-term work such as vaccine, drug development and hospital construction”
  3. “Implement voluntary [PCR] testing and voluntary quarantine for undiagnosed and asymptomatic individuals”
  4. “Liberalize restrictions on the expression of public opinion and allow suggestions and criticism of specific implementation problems in different regions”
  5. “Make truthful disclosures of infection data, including the number of infected people, the death rate, long [Covid] rate, to eliminate epidemic panic during the transition”.
The key issues are how to move from the current “dynamic zero Covid” policy towards something else, and indeed what that should be, given the inadequate health coverage in much of the country.

David S G Goodman is Director, China Studies Centre, Professor of Chinese Politics, University of Sydney

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm......(for video links please see article source. HC)

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November 28, 2022

A tale of dueling anthems and the uprisings in China​

By Molly Slag


Would you like a little humor in your day? Two Chinese political battles raging right now in real-time are linked by the most delicious and hilarious irony. They are (1) The Battle of the Lockdowns, and (2) the Battle of the Anthems.
Currently, the Battle of the Lockdowns is front-page stuff all over the world. Chinese citizens are furious at the continued forced “COVID Zero” lockdowns and are rising up, demanding that both Chairman Xi and the Chinese Communist Party step down. This German news source is a good presentation of the lockdown news of the day:

Meanwhile, the Battle of the Anthems arose in Hong Kong during the massive protests in 2019, when citizens revolted against a proposed law that would give the Chinese government unrestrained power to extradite Hong Kong citizens to mainland China. The scope of those protests and demonstrations can be seen here and, please, note all those umbrellas:

Those same umbrellas created the moniker “The Umbrella Movement” for the protests. (A detailed history of the entire movement is nicely recorded in the book Umbrella: A Political Tale From Hong Kong, by Kong Tsung-Gan.) The umbrellas are understandable because police met the demonstrators with water cannons and tear gas. This further outraged the protestors and fueled continuing demonstrations. And yet, despite the brutality meted out to them, the protesters retained their humanity. One of the most charming visuals was captured by a video showing the massed thousands of demonstrators dividing like the Red Sea to allow an ambulance to pass through the crowd, only to close their ranks again behind it:

In the heat of the Hong Kong conflict, the protestors created and adopted an anthem, entitled “Glory to Hong Kong”. Here is a version of the anthem in Cantonese, with the performers in battle gear:

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(Here is a version that shows the lyrics in English.)
Naturally, the People’s Republic of China has its rousing national anthem, “The March of the Volunteers.”
So, what do these two anthems—one from the oppressive communist regime in mainland China and the other from those in Hong Kong protesting that same regime—have to do with current events in China? In a symbolic way, it turns out that the answer is “a lot.”
In a November 19 article from Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post, we learn that, at sporting events, those two anthems keep getting mixed up:
The Chinese national anthem was mixed up with a Hong Kong protest song at two more sporting events overseas, it emerged on Saturday, less than a week after a similar blunder in South Korea angered the city’s government and sparked a police investigation.
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So, you may ask, where is the delicious hilarious humorous irony I promised in the opening sentence? That lies in the lyrics of the Official Chinese Anthem, “The March of the Volunteers.” The very opening phrase of those lyrics is “Arise Ye who refuse to be slaves!”
Which, of course, is precisely what the Chinese Lockdown protestors are doing!
Image: Protest in China. YouTube screen grab.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Hummm.....

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The policy mistakes behind China’s Covid protests​

Asia Times econometric analysis shows how it’s all gone wrong for China’s ‘zero-Covid’ attempt to contain the fast-spreading virus

By DAVID P. GOLDMAN
NOVEMBER 28, 2022

NEW YORK – China’s rolling lockdowns of cities with Covid-19 outbreaks have been erratic and in some cases incompetent, as provincial officials dithered in the face of a rising infection rate that spilled over into Beijing, Guangdong and other major cities. That’s the conclusion of an econometric analysis of case transmission by region conducted by […]

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CHINA

China’s Covid protests could go anywhere from here​

‘Zero-Covid’ demonstrations are sweeping China and anything could happen next as Beijing grapples with how to reimpose nationwide order

By DAVID S G GOODMAN
NOVEMBER 28, 2022

Public protests in China related to the government’s Covid-19 restrictions have hit the news worldwide over the weekend, following a fatal apartment fire in Urumqi, Xinjiang last week which killed ten people.

Many internet users claimed some residents could not escape because the apartment building was partially locked down, though authorities denied this.

There have been reports some demonstrators have called for President Xi Jinping, the newly re-elected General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, to stand down. Others have criticized the rule of the party itself.

China’s Covid measures are among the strictest in the world, as it continues to pursue lockdowns to suppress the virus – what it calls a “dynamic zero Covid” policy.

While these protests are certainly serious challenges to authority, they should be kept in perspective. In particular, there’s no real parallel to those in Tiananmen Square in 1989.

These are street protests where the demonstrators disperse after marching and protesting, and the main focus of the protests are the Covid restrictions rather than wider political principles.

The main issue here is frustration not just with Covid restrictions but the inconsistent ways these measures are being implemented. At least in the short term, the state’s reactions are likely to be muted. There’s undoubtedly pressure for change, though how this will be achieved is hard to predict.

A more national response​

Protests in China have actually become quite common in the last couple of decades, though they almost always center around a specific issue and are highly localized.

Workers in a factory may protest over lack of payment or deteriorating conditions. Villagers forced to resettle so that their land can be redeveloped attempt resistance, sometimes even to the extent of refusing to be moved away. Residents in new housing estates become mobilized to complain about the lack of promised roads, retail outlets and services.

These kinds of protests are usually resolved reasonably and quickly not least by state officials intervening to ensure solutions in the name of maintaining stability.

Less capable of such instant solutions are protests about more general principles, such as freedom of expression, legal representation, or governmental responsibilities. In such cases, government responses have tended to suppress the concerns.

But such protests have almost always been localized and not led to any sense of a regional or national movement. This has even been true of industrial disputes where workers have protested in one or more factories under a single brand or owner.

There’s no evidence at this stage that this is an organized national movement. But it seems protesters in each city have been emboldened by the actions of demonstrators in others.

Reading China’s social media it’s clear, for example, that demonstrators in Beijing and Shanghai report on each others’ protests, as well as commenting on the initial protest causes in Urumqi.

To date, police reactions have varied between locations. Some police were said to have been allowing demonstrations to continue. But in other places, minor scuffles have been reported, including some arrests.

Off the streets and away from the demonstrators, asymptomatic residents of apartment blocks in lockdown have occasionally continued to protest.

Student demands​

Some 40 students at China’s leading Peking University issued a declaration on Sunday that criticized “the implementation of the dynamic zero policy.”

They said the Covid-zero policies had an increasing number of problems and have led to “horrible tragedies”, though they also acknowledged the importance and effectiveness of the safety measures implemented earlier in the pandemic.

They also said: “The most urgent task now is to find a temporary way of coexistence that minimizes the danger of the epidemic while ensuring basic social order and basic economic and livelihood needs.”

To this end, they propose five key measures:

  1. “To avoid the abuse of public power, all regional quarantine blockades should be stopped to ensure that all people in communities, villages, units and schools can enter and leave freely”
  2. “Abolish technical means to monitor the whereabouts of citizens, such as passcodes and [health code] cell phone tracking app. Stop considering the spread of the epidemic as the responsibility of certain individuals or institutions. Devote resources to long-term work such as vaccine, drug development and hospital construction”
  3. “Implement voluntary [PCR] testing and voluntary quarantine for undiagnosed and asymptomatic individuals”
  4. “Liberalize restrictions on the expression of public opinion and allow suggestions and criticism of specific implementation problems in different regions”
  5. “Make truthful disclosures of infection data, including the number of infected people, the death rate, long [Covid] rate, to eliminate epidemic panic during the transition”.
The key issues are how to move from the current “dynamic zero Covid” policy towards something else, and indeed what that should be, given the inadequate health coverage in much of the country.

David S G Goodman is Director, China Studies Centre, Professor of Chinese Politics, University of Sydney

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

Kowtowing apologist, it seems to me.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Xi is VERY likely to take off the velvet glove any hour now.

Tiananmen Square was a VERY kettled space. THESE demos are ALL OVER. These do NOT lend themselves to be "Armor Cured" any time soon.
SOME pundits are like "Snicker snicker how ya gonna git outta THIS one Xi??" This WAY UNDERSTATES the danger for the CCP and the rest of the governing cadre.
DANGEROUS Times we live in.


ESPECIALLY with Baiden tossing aerosolized Kerosene around Rail Roads.
 
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