INTL China Has 40 Days of Oil Left

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
YouTube says "this video is unavailable". That means that it's the truth that they don't want us to know about.

The Houthi's have closed the-you know the place-c'mon man-ain't no joke. With the help of Iran. 8 million barrels of oil travel through that little juggernaut 18 miles wide everyday. We can't get it open, maybe the CCP will find a way.

Then a guy who wonders around naked in the Whitehouse at night will tell us that he solved all of our inflation problems and solved that problem too.

Whenever you see a pop up that says "video is unavailable", that is where the actual truth is!
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
China does have some oil production. I have no idea how much.
We have extensive experience in milling up a type of down hole tool, from one of our suppliers, that is currently in use in Chinas oil wells. This tool is supposed to be retrievable but sometimes due to well conditions they can not be retrieved.

We have been asked for details on how we do it from said vendor.

They also asked if we had a guy that could go to China to oversee this.
NO
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
This means that the houthi situation may get addressed by china in severe fashion. And in all honesty China would be the best party to do so...
China's oil from Iran doesn't go near Yemen. It goes down the Gulf and turns left away from Yemen, not towards Yemen like tankers heading to Europe. China's shipments are safe.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I thought Russia was supplying a lot of oil to them?

The video covered as much, if I remember right. Russia IS supplying a lot of their oil, you're right. But Russia is also supplying oil to a lot of people, and China's use of oil is just behind the United States. Which means China's supply is way, WAY less than its demand, and there are no readily-available alternatives.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
China's oil from Iran doesn't go near Yemen. It goes down the Gulf and turns left away from Yemen, not towards Yemen like tankers heading to Europe. China's shipments are safe.

At least until they get to the Straits of Malacca, where a legion of China's angry neighbors are in charge.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
This means that the houthi situation may get addressed by china in severe fashion. And in all honesty China would be the best party to do so...

The PLA despite it's dao rattling isn't an expeditionary force other than for its immediate neighbors and even there it has had historically mixed results.

The threat upon the PRC's access to ME sourced oil comes down to the relationship between Tehran and Beijing and how bad Tehran's obsession with a Shia Persian Empire trumps its relationship with its "allies".
 
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Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Or are those just lines of propaganda produced by the USA?

You realize, of course, that the Chinese would never allow that fact to be discovered by itself. So it can't be refuted. So to call it "propaganda" is a cop out.

...and while I'm at it, why would anyone attempt to propagandize using the quality of a country's ground water as a talking point? That doesn't even sort of make sense. As for the matter of poverty outside the cities, well, take a look at China. See if you believe your lying eyes.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
...seriously?

75 percent of China's groundwater is toxic. 50 percent is unfit for any use, while another 25 percent is merely unfit for human consumption. And that's before you get into the grinding poverty you see anywhere outside a major city.
The problem is that you assign western morals to a culture that values life differently. They have a hive mind there. For the Greater Good. They become cannon fodder - whether as bodies to die for the regime as a solder or in famine. Their women, children and elderly would do without so their fearless soldiers could eat or drink.
 

Cowgirl4christ

Senior Member
you might want to check out the air quality control videos, that were on PBS, for china... this was around the time they were hosting the olympics. It's not just bad, it's really bad!
So true. When I was in Shanghai and walking along The Bund (which runs along the Huangpu River), huge clouds of pollution were scattered throughout the gorgeous Shanghai skyline. At first I thought it was going to rain, but no, it was pollution. Shows up great in my videos.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
The problem is that you assign western morals to a culture that values life differently. They have a hive mind there. For the Greater Good. They become cannon fodder - whether as bodies to die for the regime as a solder or in famine. Their women, children and elderly would do without so their fearless soldiers could eat or drink.

Ah yes, the "fearless soldiers" of China. I really hope you were being facetious about that one. I really do.

5:30 The Mighty Chinese Army, frantically sobbing before going to fight INDIA, before the government deleted the footage.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyxnGYkzL0g&t=4s
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
When ( I heard by March/April of next year) and by how much (heard that it was only 3 million barrels).

Just a small "drop" to replace what they have released. It's a start.
I heard at the rate he wants to go it will take 8 years to replace what he gave away in a couple of years (or less).
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic

Why the Indian Ocean could be China's Achilles' heel in a Taiwan war​

By Greg Torode
December 13, 20239:04 PM EST
Updated 3 days ago

An undated file photo shows Diego Garcia, the largest island in the Chagos archipelago and site of a major United States military base

An undated file photo shows Diego Garcia, the largest island in the Chagos archipelago and site of a major United States military base in the middle of the Indian Ocean leased from Britain in 1966. REUTERS/Stringer/File Photo Acquire Licensing Rights

HONG KONG, December 14 2023 (Reuters) - Every day, nearly 60 fully loaded very large crude-oil carriers sail between the Persian Gulf and Chinese ports, carrying about half of the oil that powers the world's second-largest economy.

As the vessels enter the South China Sea, they ply waters increasingly controlled by China's growing military, from the missile batteries and airfields at its bases on disputed islands to its stealthy Type 055 destroyers.

But when crossing the Indian Ocean, joined by others headed to China from Africa and Brazil, these tankers lack protection in a naval theatre dominated by the U.S.

A dozen military attaches and scholars say that vulnerability is now being scrutinised as Western military and academic strategists discreetly game scenarios about how a conflict with China over Taiwan, or elsewhere in East Asia, could evolve or escalate.

In a major war, Chinese oil tankers in the Indian Ocean "would find themselves very vulnerable", said David Brewster, a security scholar at the Australian National University.

"Chinese naval vessels would effectively be trapped in the Indian Ocean and ... they would have little or no air support, because there are no bases or facilities of its own that (China) could rely on."


Four envoys and eight analysts familiar with discussions in Western and Asian capitals, some speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive topic, said this enduring weakness gives China's adversaries a ladder of escalatory options, especially in a drawn-out conflict, like Russia's war on Ukraine.

These scenarios range from harassment and interdiction operations against Chinese shipping that could divert Chinese naval vessels to the region, up to a blockade and beyond.

In a full-scale war, the tankers - capable of carrying 2 million barrels of oil - would be prizes to be sunk or captured, reflecting naval actions of last century in which combatants targeted their enemies' economic resources, three analysts said.

These options could be used to dissuade China from launching action, or later to raise costs on an invasion of Taiwan.
Less clear is how this vulnerability shifts Beijing's calculations toward Taiwan, the people said.

China's defence ministry did not respond to questions about its position in the Indian Ocean.

Chinese strategists are aware of the problem but ultimately any decision to launch military action would be taken by President Xi Jinping, according to People's Liberation Army (PLA) documents and retired officers.

Xi has instructed the PLA to be ready to invade Taiwan by 2027, U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns said in February. China has been increasing military manoeuvres ahead of the island's elections in January.

Since taking power in 2013, Xi and other Communist Party leaders have stressed the importance of a modernised military that can project power globally and secure China's vital trade routes.

But amid fears of conflict, some of the analysts said China would struggle to protect these lifelines even as its energy demands increase, making a protracted war over Taiwan difficult to sustain.

China imported 515.65 million tons of crude oil in the 11 months through November, or 11.27 million barrels per day, official data show, an annual increase of 12.1%.

The Pentagon estimates about 62% of China's oil and 17% of its natural gas imports transit the Malacca Strait and South China Sea, key Indian Ocean gateways.


China is moving to diversify supplies, with three pipelines from Russia, Myanmar and Kazakhstan accounting for roughly 10% of its crude-oil imports in 2022, according to customs data and state media.

Western sanctions on Moscow after its invasion of Ukraine have also led China to stockpile more cheap oil from Russia, its top supplier.

Food is a more complex picture. China's soybean imports - used for animal feed - are shipped in part via the Indian Ocean but other commodities such as potash, needed for fertiliser, arrive via other routes.

BASE SURROUNDED​

China has an extensive network of military satellites but just one dedicated military base, and no air cover from land or sea, for Indian Ocean naval deployments.

In its October annual report on China's military, the Pentagon lists 11 potential Chinese bases on the ocean's fringes, including Pakistan, Tanzania and Sri Lanka. Those locations reflect Chinese diplomatic and commercial outreach under Xi's Belt and Road Initiative.

But these have not emerged as hard military assets, with neither a permanent PLA presence nor publicly known guarantees of access in a conflict, the attaches and an Asian diplomat said.

The Pentagon report notes, in language used for the first time this year, that China still "has little power projection capability" in the Indian Ocean.

China's initial overseas base in Djibouti, on the ocean's western edge, opened in 2017 and hosts 400 marines, reflecting Chinese involvement in international piracy patrols around the Horn of Africa since 2008.

But the base has no airfield and is flanked by military facilities of seven other countries, including the U.S., France and Britain.

The U.S. Indian Ocean presence remains in stark contrast, reflecting its Cold War build-up.

The U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain while the Japan-headquartered 7th Fleet operates out of Diego Garcia, a U.K.-administered atoll with runways for long-range bombers and a lagoon adapted to house U.S. aircraft carriers.

To the east, Australia is increasing patrols using its submarine-hunting P-8 Poseidon aircraft and is expanding a west-coast base for British and U.S. nuclear-powered submarines and, eventually, Australian nuclear-powered boats.

WORK IN PROGRESS​

Zhou Bo, a retired PLA senior colonel and a security fellow at Beijing's Tsinghua University, said he was aware of foreign debates about China's vulnerabilities but the scenarios were hypothetical.

Should China and the West clash militarily in the Indian Ocean, such a conflict by nature would be "almost uncontrollable" in scale and location, Zhou said. "At that point it is a major war involving a lot of countries," he said.

Still, he said, China would gradually expand deployments and basing options to strengthen its position.

Military attaches and analysts tracking Indian Ocean deployments say China generally maintains four or five surveillance vessels and a similar number of warships and an attack submarine at any time. But China is yet to test its most potent assets in the Indian Ocean, one former Western intelligence analyst said.

Some analysts expect that to change, particularly as PLA documents stress the piracy patrols' importance in protecting Indian Ocean supply lines. China could expand patrols if "hegemonic countries" exercise control over its vital transit routes, according to the 2020 Science of Military Strategy, an official paper outlining China's strategic priorities.

While China's navy keeps its nuclear-armed ballistic-missile submarines near their Hainan Island base, its attack submarines are expected to range more widely as they improve, a challenge to the U.S.

"We can see they are being cautious, definitely more cautious than expected," said retired U.S. Rear Admiral Michael McDevitt, who in a 2020 book predicted an eventual major Chinese military presence to protect Indian Ocean sea lanes.

"I'm not saying they are not going to get there, but it does seem they are not comfortable yet, particularly with their aircraft carriers - and extending air cover will be vital for them in a conflict."

BLOCKADE TROUBLES​

Even if China cannot achieve dominance, some factors might run in its favour, some analysts say.

Blockades are difficult to implement given the fluidity of commerce, with oil sometimes traded en route.

Tracking and policing shipments would be a vast job, as operations against China would need to secure shipments to destinations like Japan, South Korea and Australia.

"You just can't get away with blocking your adversary's shipments and allowing yours to continue," said Brewster.

Historians continue to debate the effectiveness of blockades against Germany in World War One and Japan in World War Two.

Still, China has learned some of the lessons. It has about 60 days' strategic and commercial reserves of crude oil, according to analytics firms Vortexa and Kpler. Its petroleum reserves are partly stored underground and can't be tracked by satellites.

It has little surplus natural gas but is drawing increasing volumes from pipelines through Russia, Central Asia and Myanmar.

China is largely self-sufficient in wheat and rice, and keeps large stockpiles of both, although the quantities remain a state secret.

In 2022, Washington's U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission requested the Pentagon produce a classified report on the military requirements of a blockade on China's energy shipments, details not previously reported.

"The report should also consider the extent to which China may be able to satisfy its energy needs during a crisis or conflict through stockpiles, by rationing supplies, and by relying on overland shipments," the commission said.

Reporting by Greg Torode; additional reporting by Xu Muyu in Singapore, Dominique Patton in Beijing and Krishn Kaushik in New Delhi; editing by David Crawshaw

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...b921785dce45aac65a33ecaa8d45c7f4154a72014f37f
 
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