CORONA CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID and Finally Admits the Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus

rondaben

Veteran Member
I have been tested for the rona over a dozen times, never once for was there a flu test in conjunction with the rona test.
It seems the reason for so many rona positives was more about cycle counts used.
Most likely those were also antigen tests that can screen for both. Pcr isn't done on every test.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It's not one target only.

It's usually 3. One for nucleocapsid (N), envelope (E) and spike (S) portions of the virus. If all 3 are positive it tells you that the whole virus particle is present. The vaccine does not effect results. Omicron has enough mutation in the spike protein that it will not be positive so general practice now is if N and E are positive and patient clinically presents with symptoms consistent with covid they will be treated as positive.

It's called S region dropout.
That's good information; thanks for posting it.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Word weasels...you realize that the judge DENIED the injunction requested by the folks protesting the DoD mandate? The case doesn't have any bearing on whether the 2 are equivalent or not. You take a comment in a opinion on a motion that went against your assertion in a case not even dockets until September of next year.

Is there another ruling or prescedent that applies to your claims?
So what's the Tris buffer? It sounds to me like it must be part of the mixture (soluton) but that's an uneducated guess. The important thing is whether or not it's now widely available in both products, or is it something that doesn't exist yet by and large but will be available "soon"?

Not that it particularly matters to me - it's more of an abstract bit of information; I want nothing to do with any of these so-called vaccines and that goes double for anything Pfizer.
 

Anrol5

Inactive
Realy, you are asking why things disappear? From Twitter, farcebook, youtube?

Their is nothing to really talk about.

Try reading the corona thread on the forum!
For example the lasr of 1483 pages


So you get your information from Twitter, farcebook, youtube? I consider these to be entertainment sources. You trust your life to people who if they get enough clicks, make money out of you? I don't. If I watched a youtube video, I would take it apart frame by frame, and check the information against more reliable sources. I would not swallow it hook line and sinker. I am not that gullible.

Twitter, farcebook, youtube etc. have been slammed, particularly during this pandemic, for allowing misinformation at best, more like lies, to circulate on their pages. Someone here was complaining that their post was taken down and they received a 24 hour ban. Not surprised, if I think what they posted is what they did.

So if it has gone from Twitter, farcebook, youtube, it is because it is total and utter rubbish. The only you tube videos, I might not dissect are those by the ZOE project. And they stick around.

I prefer peer reviewed journals - AMA BMA, New England journals of medicine, etc., but I will take lesser journals if that is all I can get. Although the Ivermectin peer reviewed papers are showing that lesser journals are not always reliable. Those papers showing Ivermectin has benefits for Covid are being withdrawn at a rate of knots. Those papers at best can be described as having a bad methodology, and at worst fraudulent!

As to reading other threads. I just do not have time. It has taken my two days to reply to you.

I would love to comment on the following threads, but I just do not have time.

INSANITY - Tripled Vaxxed 4.5 Times More Likely to Test Positive For Omicron Than Unvaxxed
This one needs careful analysis of the raw data, to work out what is really going on. IMO, you should never take raw data and just use it. It is how the outstanding school I was a governor of, ended up classed as failing.

CORONA - Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine
And the thing about this one, is that it is an unpublished paper that will never get published. So who gives it any credit?

Just not got time to think about these or any other posts. I have a life off the board, and I am going to enjoy it.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So please post your sources that says anyone used the PCR test to test first for flu then for Covid.

Multiple posters have said again and again, that the PCR tests ONLY tests for Covid. The new test that the CDC is replacing the PCR test with does test for multiple viruses. It is better for the patient to have only one nasal swab for mutiple viruses, than multiple swabs to test for each individual virus

And a PCR test is more likely to give a false negative (say you do not have Covid when you do) than give a false positive (say you do have Covid when you don't).
According to ongoing experience. this very minute at our house......what you say is true.

I tested first at a pharmacy after feeling really crappy-result was negative and I had/have symptoms.
So I just thought it’s a cold bug.

DH is very bad right now with Covid, he hit hit the very next day with full on fever and symptoms.
He went to the same pharmacy using the same test- positive

Our Dr told me straight out “ oh yes you ARE positive! You got a false negative, these tests have a high false negative rate. But especially with him now so sick, I’m presuming you positive as well anyway”.

Do you know how guilty I feel?
I have no idea who I spread this to since I went to work, but my DH??
He may have been brewing this up anyway but if I stop, for even one second, to imagine what occasionally tries to sneak in my brain right now with those thoughts....
 

All4liberty

Senior Member
Courts may have the final word, but according to the article you link to thats far from being settled:

So until something else occurs, the FDA position stands. the vaccines are interchangeable.

Actually no. “The black letter law is clear. There can be no biologic license approved to a medical product for diagnosing, preventing or treating COVID-19 if there is also still an Emergency Use Authorization for the same medical product serving the same purpose.”

No matter what the FDA says, if I cannot sue for damages, it is not the same product. If it is the same just remove the EUA, don't complicate the simple or the blackletter law.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
So what's the Tris buffer? It sounds to me like it must be part of the mixture (soluton) but that's an uneducated guess. The important thing is whether or not it's now widely available in both products, or is it something that doesn't exist yet by and large but will be available "soon"?

Not that it particularly matters to me - it's more of an abstract bit of information; I want nothing to do with any of these so-called vaccines and that goes double for anything Pfizer.
It is one of the reagents. A pH buffer.
 

All4liberty

Senior Member
Covid is 99.7% survival. One of two things is true.

A) Either the 99.7% survival number is accurate and there is simply no need for the governmental responses of mandating EUA vaccines, lockdowns, masks. People die of flu and Influenzas every year, and this was no different, even if it is a slightly worse seasonal version. If true, this group certainly has reason to doubt the government narrative of a pandemic and any "science" that is touted. It is easy to understand people's reaction to the pcr tests, as trying to get truth in all this is difficult because of the censorship.

B) Or the number of cases of covid PCR tests were setup with too high of a cycle count making many tests positive, giving the impression that everyone was catching and often dying from it. If true this should mean that Covid was/is more deadly and less survivable than some perceive it to be as accurate case numbers would not give us a 99.7% survival rate, but much worse. This group could have a legitimate concern that Covid is a very dangerous virus and we really did have a pandemic.

Which general group do you fall into?

The year over year death totals do not show a statistical difference. Sadly those that were going die from "flu" did. Those that were going to die of heart related issues, did, even if they were labeled covid. Lies by medical establishment, and their total rejection of objective science has pushed me to be in the "A" camp.
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Actually no. “The black letter law is clear. There can be no biologic license approved to a medical product for diagnosing, preventing or treating COVID-19 if there is also still an Emergency Use Authorization for the same medical product serving the same purpose.”

No matter what the FDA says, if I cannot sue for damages, it is not the same product. If it is the same just remove the EUA, don't complicate the simple or the blackletter law.
And yet, the Judge denied the injunction. :hmm:
 

Stanb999

Inactive
And yet, the Judge denied the injunction. :hmm:

Why would you ask a Court to overturn a voluntary action?
You can just quit your job and do something else or nothing else for that matter.

The other legal question.. Are both vaccines the same and interchangeable the answer to that question was no they are not legally the same. But it didn't actually make a difference as a matter of law.
 
And yet, the Judge denied the injunction. :hmm:
Let's not miss the overarching reality - the U.S. Constitution and BoR is the supreme law of the land.

ALL of the COVID pandemic/mandate rigmarole is wholly unconstitutional.

Just that simple.

You know it.

I know it.

By virtue of this fact, NONE of COVID mandates/executive orders should be going on, and there should be no need to do any hand-wringing about it all.


intothegoodnight
 
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danielboon

TB Fanatic
According to ongoing experience. this very minute at our house......what you say is true.

I tested first at a pharmacy after feeling really crappy-result was negative and I had/have symptoms.
So I just thought it’s a cold bug.

DH is very bad right now with Covid, he hit hit the very next day with full on fever and symptoms.
He went to the same pharmacy using the same test- positive

Our Dr told me straight out “ oh yes you ARE positive! You got a false negative, these tests have a high false negative rate. But especially with him now so sick, I’m presuming you positive as well anyway”.

Do you know how guilty I feel?
I have no idea who I spread this to since I went to work, but my DH??
He may have been brewing this up anyway but if I stop, for even one second, to imagine what occasionally tries to sneak in my brain right now with those thoughts....
You shouldn't feel guilty I went to work for a few days until I realized I was sick yet know one else became sick.God will direct your steps and I pray that the both of you will fully recover.
 

Runtime: 37:29

Dr. Zelenko breaks down, in layman's terms, the medical science behind COVID and how he was able to treat his patients successfully.

He further speculates about who benefits by all of this fraud, at an international level.


intothegoodnight
 


Runtime: 01:03:19

Discussion about whether or not the FDA **approved** the jab - the question is, which jab? Neither jab?

More word weaseling apparent, all skillfully crafted to mislead - pure lawfare at work. (some of America's "best and brightest" legal minds word-smithed this, supposedly . . . evil, sez me)

See if you can get your head around it, correctly.


intothegoodnight
 
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psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You shouldn't feel guilty I went to work for a few days until I realized I was sick yet know one else became sick.God will direct your steps and I pray that the both of you will fully recover.
Thank you.
I hope you feel better.
 
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