HEALTH BREAKING NEWS: Anonymous Doctor Releases Treatment for the Ebola Virus

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
My best friend's husband died last year with pancreatic cancer. One of the things they tried was liposomal vitamin C. I had the instructions saved on my computer.

Regarding intravenous C - some naturopathic doctors still use it, particularly with cancer patients. The problem with ebola would be finding a doctor WILLING to do it considering the contagion factor.


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Steel Chips

Veteran Member
Here's mine: (I am not a medical professional. Make or use at your own risk.)

Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C Recipe

Stronger Solution

2 cups pure 130* to 140* water
6 tablespoons non-GMO lecithin

1 1/2 cups pure 130* to 140* water
4 1/2 tablespoons of pure ascorbic acid vitamin C crystals
2 tablespoons bicarbonate of soda (Arm&Hammer is fine)
Note: Using ascorbate vitamin c instead does not require the soda solution.

Ultra Sonic Cleaner (USC)
Prefer the larger 2 1/2 liter Harbor Freight model

A clean quart jar with lid for mixing

1. In a quart jar add the 2 cups of warm water then add the lecithin. Shake or blend until the lecithin is thoroughly dissolved.

2. In a blender, add the 4 1/2 tablespoons of vitamin c crystals and 2 tablespoons of bicarbonate of soda. Slowly pour the 1 1/2 cups of warm water into the blender. Add the water slowly as the resulting mixture will foam up. Stir to mix the solution then blend until the vitamin c and soda are completely dissolved and all bubbling has ceased.

3. The ph should be checked for 7.0 to 7.5. If lower, add a small amount of soda. If higher, add a small amount (1/4 teaspoon) of vitamin c. Blend again and test. (I use Ph test strips from a supplement store)

4. Add the lecithin solution to the blender. Thoroughly blend for a couple of minutes to completely mix.

5. Pour the completed solution into the USC. Turn the USC on and run for 30 to 40 minutes, stirring occasionally. Longer is better for a higher percentage of encapsulation. Funnel the resulting mixture into a 1 liter water bottle and store in the fridge. Take a couple of swallows a couple of times during the day.

You can sweeten with stevia and/or other flavors after encapsulation. (Soda Stream flavors?)

Hint: A quart mason jar will fit most blender threads. Confirm free movement of the blades. Blend the lecithin in a jar and the vitamin c in the blender pitcher. Add the lecithin solution into the blender pitcher and thoroughly blend the lecithin and vitamin C together before pouring into the USC.

Caution: When blending the lecithin solution in a sealed quart jar be careful of a pressure buildup. Blend a few seconds and release the pressure several times until the release of pressure stops.

1 tablespoon of ascorbic acid vitamin c crystals ~= 14.2 grams or 1/2 ounce

Weaker Solution

2 1/4 tablespoons of pure ascorbic acid vitamin c crystals
1 tablespoon baking bicarbonate of soda (Arm&Hammer is fine)

Please Note (Important):
You cannot produce the end product "LEVC" with a blender! It requires ultrasonic activation.
And for the aluminum squawkers - No baking soda contains aluminum, only baking powder. There is a difference.
I am not a medical professional. Make or use at your own risk.

I may not answer any questions - depends.
 

SuElPo

Veteran Member
I would like to know more about ester-c . I have a hard time taking regular due to gerd. I use to take ester-c, and the person I see now for general things said I should take regular c due to my having many kidney infections. I understand the reasoning on that, but for the nutritional value I would like to know more about ester-c, such as is it just as good for the vitamin value?

thanks,
susan
 

Just Wondering

Southern Sloth
"...have faith in doctors......" LOL..........never will have "faith " in doctors but faith in God's own medicine chest.......which the Big Pharma cannot truly patent and make mega $$$$ from my death.......

I read of an Austrailian man who had H1N1 and the family had to have a court injunction to make the hospital at least try intravenous Vit. C........it was working so they cut his dosage...and the wife/family had to sit with him 24/7 in order to feed him liposomal Vit. C and make sure the doc's didn't remove his IV..........it's somewere on youtube and I read it also...the guy lived to recuperate.....

I'd rather do something alternative than give my body over to any big Pharm synthetic syringe of junk...............if I had the choice.

I was told years ago that a certaing conditon had "no cure" and I must take a prescriptive drug forever............sheesh.........I cried, prayed, and researched till I found a combo of natural nutritional helpers and THANK GOD I don't need Pharma's blankety-blank crap..................

I know the man personally. His name is Allan Smith and a link to the documentary is

http://www.3news.co.nz/Living-Proof-Vitamin-C---Miracle-Cure/tabid/309/articleID/171328/Default.aspx

I've also been involved with the fight to have several other people with H1N1 be allowed intravenous sodium ascorbate, and following that up with lypospheric vitamin C.

We had to bring in high profile lawyers (Mae Chen is the best but she's the most expensive) and literally fighting the hospitals to allow this would be like convincing Reasonable Rascal :p

But the facts are that every single person on ECMO who has had enough money and the clout of a particular Professor of Medical ethics, and who has had the treatment as it should be given, has lived. And every single one of those people just happened to be rich people with many multiple risk factors that should have ensured their deaths.

the second person who survived it had even worse factors than Allan did (and Allan was fully vaccinated)

The second person was 82, had had heart bypass surgery and just after that was diagnosed with liver cancer, and then got H1N1.

I was involved in that fight, and two months later, this 82 year old was released from hospital, and today doesn't have cancer, and is back working on his dairy farm doing work he hadn't been able to do for the previous 30 years. What did he do? After ECMO had serially stuffed his gut, he went to a specialist clinic in Auckland, where they worked on recolonizing his gut, his diet was overhauled, nutrient deficiencies address, and to this day, he takes vitamin D3, vitamin C, and a vitamin and mineral supplement with improved nutrition.

Of course, after Allan Smith's programme, the medical system convinced the bosses at TV stations, not to allow any further documentaries to be made, though just recently, a high profile police officer in Whangarei who was condemned to death with cancer, has made a complete recovery on IV sodium ascorbate and because of his profile, TV have run a few clips about him, until they were told to shut up.

And everyone else on ECMO, who hasn't been able to afford high profile legal clout has been refused intravenous sodium ascorbate, and those people have died.

How do I know all this? I'm a freelance journo, and worked with most of the people involved, and helped with the background medical articles for the Allan Smith documentary.


The underground here, knows only too well, that vitamin C works, and works well. And if people here want to stick their heads in the sand and ignore it, fine.

There is no reason why intravenous sodium ascorbate should not provide a clinical effective adjunct in mopping up the toxic component of Ebola and helping both organ and collagen integrity. Again, if you want to ignore that, and you get Ebola, well, good luck to you.
 

Just Wondering

Southern Sloth
I would like to know more about ester-c . I have a hard time taking regular due to gerd. I use to take ester-c, and the person I see now for general things said I should take regular c due to my having many kidney infections. I understand the reasoning on that, but for the nutritional value I would like to know more about ester-c, such as is it just as good for the vitamin value?

thanks,
susan

In the clinical situations in New Zealand, ester C, which is calcium ascorbate, has been found to exacerabate clinical conditions. You also have to use a lot more of it, then sodium ascorbate, and it leaves way too much calcium in the body. also, the ascorbate is sheared off, and has to pick up a sodium ion in order to be transported so given that ascorbate uses sodium channels, the quickest and most effective way of treatment is IV sodium ascorbate, In some people ester C can result in extreme muscle calcium build up, something you don't want.

If you follow the tried and true, effective protocols which have been used for the last 20+ years, the product used is sodium ascorbate.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
feedback from a former poster and friend who i sent the link to this thread to:

Some of what was said could make sense, with my own common-sense additions:

1. colloidal silver is actually BEST at combating viruses of all the pathogens it neutralizes. It shuts down the RNA receptor sites, and is very effective on viruses as a result, and goes right in via the GI tract, too. That the doctor thinks otherwise makes me suspicious of all his knowledge, also;

2. it IS plausible that vitamin C is reduced to zero in the body by ebola, as most symptoms are consistent with that. However, once again the doctor strains credulity by demanding these huge doses. Vitamin C, and compounds such as sodium ascorbate are readily absorbed into the body as-is, up to the point they are needed osmotically. Excess then remains in the GI tract and is expelled, often causing diarrhea because of the flora deaths it causes in the intestines. So, if the virus is depleting your body of vitamin C, any moderately large oral dose ( say, 2000 mg ) taken regularly will replenish the levels above ZERO, no matter how fast the virus destroys it. To say otherwise violates all the laws of dynamic systems.

3. the C levels he is suggesting, IV or otherwise, are way beyond lethal. Again, I wonder if this guy is a misinformation specialist. Such people always give a little truth mixed up with believable hogwash. I will take that C levels go to zero as his hook of truth, and use that.

4. always take vitamin C and silver water on an alternating two-hour cycle. That is, take a large dose of silver water, and a large dose of C, but never together - take them two hours or so apart. Vitamin C causes coalescence and subsequent precipitation of silver, which you don't want. Even the C in a glass of OJ will render the dose of Ag ineffective.


I'll file the "C -> 0" part away in my mind, and use that to act based on items 1-4 if I'm confronted with ebola.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
I like the first two best because they are made by North American Herb and Spice company out of New York state.

They search the world over to find the best ingredients to make their stuff, use very little fillers and use very little heat to extract the ingredients.


I use this company to buy my oregano oil from through Toa of Herbs.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i have been digging up info on the liposomal encapsulated vit C. i cant handle taking much vit C at all without unpleasant, umm, repercussions. so im am going to try this, just received my ultrasonic thing and am waiting on the lecithin and ascorbic acid to make the first batch. here are the instructions i got, and after reviewing many, many sites and vids, this is what it all boils down to. BUT one thing is very important---the length of time for the encapsulation. 8 min is not long enough it only provides a 75% encapsulation, if you do it for 30 min, you get closest to 100% encapsulation, this is what you want. the level of encapsulation is what makes it get into you quicker and with no bowel stress.

i have not been able to find any documented facts or cases on a 'lethal' level of vit C. ive read drs saying too much is not good for you but no reason why except for loose stools, gas, cramping. but this is LIPSOMOL it hits your body differently and avoids that problem AND there are documented cases where mega doses in IV form has cured people.

will it work on ebola? it is claimed so. do i know for sure? no, i dont except for mentions of it being used in 05-06 ebola outbreak in the congo and a report of a nurse who came down with lassa fever (hemorrhagic) and was at that point the only white person to have ever survived. she gave herself large amounts of Vit C and other vitamins, her survival was looked upon as a medical curiosity. but i thought it was quite interesting.

will using this end up killing people? heck, there is no cure right now, right? the potential vaccines i have seen reported is 1) something that had a 48% effectiveness for monkeys and 2) a rabies/live ebola virus vaccine. and 3) some new experimental serum being used on dr brantly where it is reported he has shown 'some improvement'. right now those are our choices. the serum if it does work, well, from the company spokesperson being interviewed recently they can only make maybe 10,000 doses a month, no mention of cost/ availability in future and we dont know if it even works and it has never been used on humans before. if i remember correctly monsanto is backing the rabies/ebola vaccine. i dont like monsanto, if they are promoting something im staying away from it or anything else they have their fingers on.

call me a dumb bunny but im not crazy about taking a vaccine with rabies/ ebola in it, no thank you. or an experimental drug that they have no idea of any side effects or problems down the road.

if my choice is taking an experimental vaccine and perhaps still dying or taking lipsomal vit C i will go with the vit C. everyone has to make their own choice. but im not going to stand in line and take a gov vaccine.


DOUBLE BATCH DIRECTIONS:
Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C

2 C room temp water plus 6 T NON GMO lecithin. *
Mix well and let soak for 3 hours.

1 C warm water plus 2 T ascorbic acid.
Mix well to dissolve fully.

Put both in blender and blend at high speed for at ONE full minute.

Pour into ultrasonic cleaner and run for at least 30 MINUTES TIL NO MORE FOAM this will give close to 100% encapsulation. very important.

Stir every few minutes with a large plastic straw or spoon back and forth while running the ultrasonic cleaner.

Pour into a clean glass jar and refrigerate.
will keep for up to a month in fridge only 3-4 days room temp

has the consistency of eggnog.

ok to add to water or juice to chug it down

Notes: do not use the heater in your ultrasonic unit.

2 oz (4-5T) = about 14 gm IV vit C
1 oz (2 T) = 5-7gm IV vit C
1 T = 3.5 gm IV vit C

Start with 1 teasp 2x day
* lecithin--most is soy from what ive seen, and some folks cant handle soy but you can get it made from sunflowers i saw. but it is highly recommended to use NON GMO ONLY

********
from a naturopath site

Liposomal Protocols

For no major symptoms for good general health
1-2 grams is optimal Take - 1 tsp 2x a day

Extreme Athlete or Major Health Challenges:
4-6 grams is optimal Take 1 – 2T a day

Extreme Disease – Late Stage Infection, Cancer, Heart Disease, etc.
8-12 grams is optimal -Take 2-3T a day

start out with lower dose and work your way up. if you notice any complications (such as nausea, cramping, diarrhea, etc.) try cutting down to the lower dosage and observe for any changes then slowly increase.

BE SMART. dont jump into the highest doses, start off slow and increase to recommended dose. most people have no problem at all with higher doses, a few do. pay attention to your body.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Would that 500,000 of vitamin C be intravenous? If you took that much by mouth a day wouldn't you be shitting like a billy goat.:kk2::fl2:

Not a good analogy, since buck goats (and does and wethers), if healthy, poop small round pellets.

Kathleen
 

Reborn

Seeking Aslan's Country
To everyone who posted recipes, videos, links and comments on Liposomal Vitamin C, thank you! For those of you trying this (who haven't been able to take Vit. C because of bowel issues) please remember to update us, if you can, on how it goes.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
feedback from a former poster and friend who i sent the link to this thread to:

Some of what was said could make sense, with my own common-sense additions:

1. colloidal silver is actually BEST at combating viruses of all the pathogens it neutralizes. It shuts down the RNA receptor sites, and is very effective on viruses as a result, and goes right in via the GI tract, too. That the doctor thinks otherwise makes me suspicious of all his knowledge, also;

2. it IS plausible that vitamin C is reduced to zero in the body by ebola, as most symptoms are consistent with that. However, once again the doctor strains credulity by demanding these huge doses. Vitamin C, and compounds such as sodium ascorbate are readily absorbed into the body as-is, up to the point they are needed osmotically. Excess then remains in the GI tract and is expelled, often causing diarrhea because of the flora deaths it causes in the intestines. So, if the virus is depleting your body of vitamin C, any moderately large oral dose ( say, 2000 mg ) taken regularly will replenish the levels above ZERO, no matter how fast the virus destroys it. To say otherwise violates all the laws of dynamic systems.

3. the C levels he is suggesting, IV or otherwise, are way beyond lethal. Again, I wonder if this guy is a misinformation specialist. Such people always give a little truth mixed up with believable hogwash. I will take that C levels go to zero as his hook of truth, and use that.

4. always take vitamin C and silver water on an alternating two-hour cycle. That is, take a large dose of silver water, and a large dose of C, but never together - take them two hours or so apart. Vitamin C causes coalescence and subsequent precipitation of silver, which you don't want. Even the C in a glass of OJ will render the dose of Ag ineffective.


I'll file the "C -> 0" part away in my mind, and use that to act based on items 1-4 if I'm confronted with ebola.

ALL of the above needs to be read carefully.

In addition:
Is it possible to overdose on Vitamin C?
Questions on what daily intake of ascorbic acid is considered to be an "overdose" come up on a regular basis. While less informed sources dismiss the possibility of a Vitamin C overdose or toxicity based on ascorbic acid being water-soluble, they seem to forget that even water-soluble nutrients interact with other nutritional elements as synergists or antagonists, and as such are capable of enhancing or inhibiting their benefits and functions. Since these interactions are relative to the levels of all the other nutrients Vitamin C interacts with, and since these levels vary from one patient to the next, it is not possible to establish a universal Vitamin C overdose amount, or specific Vitamin C side effects that apply to everyone. At the same time, while the potential to clinically overdose on Vitamin C does exist, it is quite rare and not expected to occur at the 250 to 1,000 mg adult intake level considered average for those that regularly self-supplement.
However, as demonstrated with several examples below, the effect of a regular, daily overdose of Vitamin C is not an acute event as experienced with a deadly, toxic substance, but a gradual change in mineral ratios, or the progressive lowering of other essential elements, which over time can result in the development of moderate to serious medical problems. An acute medical event can still arise though following a substantial Vitamin C overdose, where too much ascorbic acid lowers an already deficient nutrient even more, resulting in acute deficiency symptoms of that nutrient, or where an excessive intake of Vitamin C triggers acute gastrointestinal symptoms. (see bottom of this page for Vitamin C overdose signs and symptoms).

The effect of high doses of Vitamin C on Copper, Zinc, Manganese, and Calcium:
There are individuals whose copper levels are on the low side. Being unaware of the antagonistic effectof Vitamin C on copper, they may feel a cold coming on and start to take a few thousand mgs of Vitamin C,causing copper levels to drop to a point of becoming deficient, and provoking an inflammatory response.
Acute conjunctivitis (Pink eye), or blepharitis (inflamed eyelids) triggered by copper deficiency following ashort course of very high ascorbic acid intake, is a classic example of how taking too much Vitamin C canactually cause, or worsen an infection. Chronic conjunctivitis (or blepharitis) can occur when higher copperstores are gradually depleted following the practice of regularly overdosing on Vitamin C. It can also developsecondary to overdosing on other copper antagonists, such as Sulfur (MSM, glucosamine sulfate), or Zinc.
Nutritional excesses and deficiencies - including Vitamin C overdose - can be one of the less-obvious toestablish non-viral, bacterial, or allergenic causes for inflammatory eye disorders or other medical issues,although higher doses of Vit C & A may be required in the nutritional treatment of infectious conjunctivitis.
In another chronic copper deficiency / Vitamin C overdose example, a young boy was brought into my officeto investigate the reason why his leg bones were soft and becoming increasingly malformed. It turned outthat his father was giving him 2,000 mg of Vitamin C per day from an early age, which resulted in a severe,long-term copper deficiency. Reducing his ascorbic acid intake to more reasonable levels corrected thecondition. 100 mg - 250 mg of Vitamin C is sufficient for most young children to meet basic requirements. Vitamin C lowers Zinc directly, and it lowers it indirectly by supporting Iron absorption, so while a higherintake of ascorbic acid would likely benefit those suffering from some forms of anemia, leukemia, left-sidedovarian cysts, or from prostatitis, the same higher Vitamin C intake would worsen certain liver conditions(hemochromatosis), benign prostatic hypertrophy, or more serious kidney diseases (renal failure). Larger amounts of Vitamin C lower Manganese levels and aid greater insulin production in those capable ofproducing insulin, which may be beneficial for Type II diabetics, but it would worsen those with hypoglycemictendencies that exhibit low sodium, since sodium slows insulin response, so a very high intake of Vitamin Cwould create larger insulin spikes. By lowering manganese, very high doses of Vitamin C also affect (lower)glycogen stores in the liver.
Manganese has some control over the liver's ability to break down estrogen, so too much Vitamin C can affectthe length of the menstrual cycle and worsen low estrogenic-types of PMS. On the other hand, congestiveliver disease, resulting in higher estrogen levels, will benefit from higher doses of Vitamin C by reducing thesymptoms of high estrogenic-types of PMS, while at the same time reducing the risk to develop estrogen-sensitive (estrogen receptor-positive) types of cancer or fibroid tumors that may develop as a result of alifelong higher mean average level of estrogen. Calcium metabolism is much affected by Vitamin C intake. Patients who suffer from calcium overloadbenefit from supplementing larger daily amounts of Vitamin C because they prevent calcium from calcifyingsoft tissue. Low stomach acid levels are also a common side effect of elevated calcium, for which a higherVitamin C intake is beneficial as well.While the right amount of ascorbic acid increases bioavailability of calcium, very high intake of Vitamin C, if not needed, will eventually put extra demands on calcium stores (bone) and result in calcium deficiency,which can lead to osteopenia, or eventually osteoporosis.
While excessive intake of Vitamin C is reflected in deficient cellular levels of calcium, serum calcium levelsremain unaffected as they are not suitable to measure dietary calcium requirements, so a Vitamin C overdoseis rarely suspect of being the potential cause of numerous calcium deficiency-related side effects such as leg cramps (left-sided only, unless magnesium is also low), light, restless sleep or insomnia, anxieties, increased daytime fatigue, joint pains (more so left-sided), brittle nails with vertical ridges due to low calcium ratios, or increasingly horizontal, groove-like ridges as a result of prolonged, severe deficiency.
It is not uncommon to find copper and zinc levels to be excessively high, making Vitamin C an ideal remedy to lower both, however the large dosages needed can at the same time significantly reduce calcium levels (unless they are high to begin with) to the point of seriously accelerating bone loss. To lessen side effects, one could choose buffered Vitamin C, such as calcium ascorbate or sodium ascorbate (if the kidneys can handle the extra sodium), or simply making sure that adequate calcium is supplemented at the same time.
Some of my patients requiring very large doses of Vitamin C have also taken a small amount of Nickel, which has helped reduce Vitamin C requirements considerably, and with it the detrimental effects of higher dosages of ascorbic acid on the rest of the system (such as possibly lowering calcium too much). While Vitamin C and Vitamin E exhibit synergistic properties in regard to antioxidant activity, unless the one supplemented is truly deficient, increasing its intake also increases the requirements of the other, otherwise a pseudo-deficiency of the other, and a ratio conflict, or balance problem with nickel takes place, which can change vasodilating or vasoconstrictive properties of the coronary arteries. While this poses no problems for the average, healthy individual, it can be detrimental for those suffering from angina-related conditions. (see also Acu-Cell "Nickel & Cobalt" which discusses the relationship of nickel to Vitamin C and Vitamin E).

The above graph illustrates what percentage of the population will enjoy optimal benefits from supplementingextra Vitamin C - not counting dietary sources of Vitamin C. These amounts are based on average, cellularrequirements of Vitamin C, which go beyond the recommended deficiency-preventive RDA/DRI minimum intake.Instead, they take into account the synergistic and antagonistic effect of all other nutrients that interactwith Vitamin C as well, to encompass a much wider scope of disease prevention. However, even optimal requirements tend to fluctuate under specific medical circumstances and may needto be adjusted to meet extra cellular demands (e.g. with injuries, high stress situations, hormonal changes,viral / bacterial infections, or dietary factors such as food binges [chocolate], resulting in copper overload). How much Vitamin C should one supplement?
Vitamin C supplemental requirements not only vary from one person to the next, but they vary for the sameperson over a lifetime. Unfortunately, the optimal dosage of Vitamin C - just like the optimal dosage formany other nutrients - can usually only be established when one has the resources to measure their actualrequirements.The "Bowel Tolerance Challenge" - recommended by some doctors - to determine the optimal intake ofVitamin C by ingesting increasing amounts of ascorbic acid until diarrhea sets in, then reducing Vitamin Cto a tolerated dose, only measures one's tolerance to the type of ascorbate, and the amounts used, but itdoes not reflect optimal Vitamin C intake to achieve optimal benefits.
If uncertain what one's actual requirements are, 500 mg of Vitamin C / day is universally considered to besafe, mostly free of side effects, and covers minimum requirements, even though that amount will not be anoptimal dosage for a large portion of the population.If a daily multi-vitamin/mineral pill is taken, it may be best to just use a basic brand with as many essentialingredients as possible, but not much higher than the RDA / DRI, despite the fact that this may also notprovide optimal amounts of nutrients. The reason is simply that no brand is able to provide all essentialnutrients in their optimal configuration for an individual, so mega dosages not only create the potential forside effects, but also the possibility of creating ratio-induced pseudo-deficiencies of any nutrients left out. Randomly overdosing or megadosing on single nutrients (including Vitamin C) creates a risk of significantlyimbalancing one's system, and it makes little difference whether or not water-soluble vitamins such asVitamin C, or B-Vitamins are used. While excessive intake of fat-soluble vitamins, as well as overdosing onany number of minerals can be toxic, even water-soluble nutrients can cause side effects, or do an amazingamount of damage when regularly overdosed on during their sometimes short journey through the body. Any time a single nutrient is supplemented at excessive amounts, one is really dealing with a much morepowerful drug-like effect. And although this has a greater potential to help a medical situation, it equallyhas the potential of making a particular medical condition worse, or even create new ones if inappropriatelyused. Supplementing above-RDA / DRI amounts of Vitamin C will most certainly have a positive effect onpeople's general health, however the decision to megadose on Vitamin C (> 5,000 mg) - or any othernutrient - should at least be supported with some valid reasons or clinical evidence. In most cases, it isthe synergistic effect of several similar nutritional compounds that yield the best results because of theirmore food-like attributes, and their lesser chance of provoking side effects.
Being educated about nutrition and trying to improve one's health is highly commendable, but at the sametime it also helps to have a medical professional check out what all that supplementation is actually doingto one's system.
Vitamin C supplementation during Pregnancy and Nursing:
If pregnant women take higher amounts of Vitamin C, it is advisable to reduce their Vitamin C intake to between 250 - 500 mg per day shortly (one to two weeks) before delivery, otherwise the baby will become Vitamin C-deficient after birth until the body adapts to being "cut off" from a higher supply of Vitamin C while in the womb. This is not necessary if the baby is breastfed, because it will continue to receive the higher amount of Vitamin C from breast milk. However when the time comes to wean the baby, the same routine needs to be followed, where the mother will have to reduce a higher intake of Vitamin C to that lesser amount to prevent the baby from temporarily becoming Vitamin C-deficient.

Ascorbic Acid, or Vitamin C is an essential nutrient that Humans, as well as Apes and Guinea pigs mustobtain from dietary food sources. Most other animals produce ascorbic acid in the liver from glucose, and inmuch higher amounts than we get from our diets today. Vitamin C is found mostly in fruits and vegetables, where the highest concentrations are in fresh, raw foods,while whole grains, seeds, or beans contain very little Vitamin C, except when they are sprouted, which raisesthe ascorbic acid content. Similarly, animal foods contain almost no Vitamin C, although raw fish providesenough ascorbic acid to prevent Vitamin C deficiency symptoms (listed below). Vitamin C is water-soluble andone of the least stable vitamins. Cooking counters the benefits of Vitamin C by destroying much of it in food,and it is easily oxidized in air and sensitive to light. Being mostly contained in the watery part of fruits andvegetables, Vit C is also easily lost during cooking in water, so the steaming of vegetables minimizes its loss.
Rutin and Hesperidin are the main flavonoids / bioflavonoids - or accessory nutrients - that form anascorbic acid or Vitamin C complex. Both function synergistically with Vitamin C to benefit numerous healthissues which are addressed further below.
Ascorbic acid was isolated from lemons in 1932, following the discovery that its deficiency causes scurvy.[76]It was first written about circa 1500 B.C. and described by Aristotle in 450 B.C. as a syndrome characterizedby lack of energy, tooth decay, gum inflammation, and bleeding problems. A high percentages of sailors withthe British navy and other fleets used to die from scurvy until James Lind discovered that the juice of lemonscould cure and also prevent the disease. The ships then routinely carried limes for the sailors to consumedaily, and thus these sailors became known as "limeys." Only about 10 mg of Vitamin C is necessary toprevent scurvy.
Ascorbic acid is used up more rapidly with alcohol use, smoking, and under stressful conditions. Otherfactors that increase Vitamin C requirements include viral illness and fever, Aspirin and other medications(sulfa antibiotics, cortisone), environmental toxins (DDT), and exposure to heavy metals such as mercury,lead, or cadmium. Vitamin C is involved in the formation and maintenance of collagen, which is the basis ofconnective tissue found in capillary walls, skin, ligaments, cartilage, vertebral discs, joint linings, bones andteeth. Collagen, and thus Vitamin C, is needed for wound healing and to maintain healthy blood vessels. Vitamin C helps the absorption of iron (particularly the vegetable, or non-heme form), so it is helpful foriron-deficiency anemia. Other conditions that benefit from ascorbic acid metabolism include diabetes (forinsulin production), certain cases of male infertility, as well as arteriosclerosis, atherosclerosis, cataracts,glaucoma, and musculoskeletal degeneration (mostly by Vitamin C keeping calcium soluble and preventing itfrom calcifying soft tissue).
Vitamin C helps thyroid hormone production and the metabolism of folic acid, tyrosine, and tryptophan, andit stimulates adrenal function and the release of norepinephrine and epinephrine, which are stress hormones.However, prolonged stress depletes Vitamin C in the adrenals and decreases blood levels. Ascorbic acid isimportant in cellular immune functions, where it is beneficial for bacterial, viral, and fungal diseases.At higher amounts, Vitamin C may decrease the production of histamine, thereby reducing allergy potential.A combination of very high doses of Vitamin C + Vit E + Vit B12 has been found effective in lessening thesymptoms of shingles (herpes zoster), provided they are all taken at the earliest onset of the attack. ¤ Vitamin C Synergists:Nickel, Iron, phosphorus, germanium, selenium,tin, Vitamin A, adrenals, [cobalt, Vitamin B15]. DRI (RDA):0 - 6 months6 - 12 months1 - 3 years4 - 8 years9 - 13 years14 - 18 years
19 - 30 years31 + years
pregnantlactating
smoking Therapeutic Range: 250mg - 50,000mg+ UL: 400mg - 2,000mg
Best time to take Vitamin C: Morning to evening, in divided doses, preferably with the 3 main meals.
"Nickel & Cobalt" provides additional information on Vitamin C and its interactions with Vitamin E, B12, & B15._________________________________________________________________________________
Cellular / Intracellular Attributes and Interactions: Low Levels / Deficiency - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors: Scurvy, slow wound healing, anemia, easy bruising, micro-hemorrhages, nosebleeds, shortness of breath,fatigue, gastrointestinal problems, frequent infections, dermatitis, chronic gingivitis, impaired formation andmaintenance of collagen, impaired multiple hormonal functions, increased risk for various cancers, arthritis,reduced insulin production, some types of male infertility, vascular degeneration, depression, gallstones. High levels / Overdose / Toxicity / Negative Side Effects - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors: Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach acid, increased urination, insomnia, irritability, PMS, joint pains,calcium deficiency, osteoporosis, headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, reduced estrogen, reducedprogesterone, reduced prolactin; may increase infections by causing copper or zinc deficiency._________________________________________________________________________________ Vitamin C Food Sources:Citrus fruit, green peppers, sweet and hot peppers, potatoes, spinach, parsley, cabbage, broccoli, Brusselssprouts, turnip greens, rose hips, black currants and other berries, kiwi, tomatoes, horseradish, watercress. ¤ Males40 mg AI50 mg AI15 mg25 mg45 mg75 mg
90 mg90 mg


120 mg Females40 mg AI50 mg AI15 mg25 mg45 mg65 mg
75 mg75 mg
80 - 85 mg115 - 120 mg
110 mg Vitamin C Antagonists:Manganese, zinc, calcium, Vitamin E,copper, [cobalt, Vitamin B12], estrogen.Optimal Vitamin C intake chart_________________________________________________________________________________ 2014 Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) - Recommended Dietary Allowance / Intake (RDA / RDI) forAdults, Children, Pregnancy & Nursing - Adequate Intake (AI) - Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL)

est time to take Vitamin C: Morning to evening, in divided doses, preferably with the 3 main meals.
"Nickel & Cobalt" provides additional information on Vitamin C and its interactions with Vitamin E, B12, & B15._________________________________________________________________________________
Cellular / Intracellular Attributes and Interactions: Low Levels / Deficiency - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors: Scurvy, slow wound healing, anemia, easy bruising, micro-hemorrhages, nosebleeds, shortness of breath,fatigue, gastrointestinal problems, frequent infections, dermatitis, chronic gingivitis, impaired formation andmaintenance of collagen, impaired multiple hormonal functions, increased risk for various cancers, arthritis,reduced insulin production, some types of male infertility, vascular degeneration, depression, gallstones. High levels / Overdose / Toxicity / Negative Side Effects - Symptoms and/or Risk Factors: Diarrhea, abdominal cramps, high stomach acid, increased urination, insomnia, irritability, PMS, joint pains,calcium deficiency, osteoporosis, headaches, hypoglycemia, weakness, anemia, reduced estrogen, reducedprogesterone, reduced prolactin; may increase infections by causing copper or zinc deficiency._________________________________________________________________________________ Vitamin C Food Sources:Citrus fruit, green peppers, sweet and hot peppers, potatoes, spinach, parsley, cabbage, broccoli, Brusselssprouts, turnip greens, rose hips, black currants and other berries, kiwi, tomatoes, horseradish, watercress. ¤ Males40 mg AI50 mg AI15 mg25 mg45 mg75 mg
90 mg90 mg


120 mg Females40 mg AI50 mg AI15 mg25 mg45 mg65 mg
75 mg75 mg
80 - 85 mg115 - 120 mg
110 mg Vitamin C Antagonists:Manganese, zinc, calcium, Vitamin E,copper, [cobalt, Vitamin B12], estrogen.Optimal Vitamin C intake chart_________________________________________________________________________________ 2014 Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) - Recommended Dietary Allowance / Intake (RDA / RDI) forAdults, Children, Pregnancy & Nursing - Adequate Intake (AI) - Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL)
Vitamin C / Ascorbic Acid:by Dr. Ronald Roth_________________________________________________________________________________
General recommendations for nutritional supplementation: To avoid stomach problems and improve tolerance,supplements should be taken earlier, or in the middle of a larger meal. When taken on an empty stomach orafter a meal, there is a greater risk of some tablets causing irritation, or eventually erosion of the esophagealsphincter, resulting in Gastroesophageal Reflux Disease (GERD). It is also advisable not to lie down right aftertaking pills. When taking a large daily amount of a single nutrient, it is better to split it up into smaller dosesto not interfere with the absorption of other nutrients in food, or nutrients supplemented at lower amounts.

graphs and charts at site:
http://www.acu-cell.com/vitc.html#overdose

All of the above:
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And the reason y9ou are unlikely to convince ANY hospital to do mega-dosing via IV is simple:
It is SO far out of the realm of standard of care that should ANYTHING untoward happen they would be liable, including should it not work.
Liability when exiting the bounds of "Standard of Care" is pretty dang expensive in court.

"But I would NEVER sue! Why won't they accept that statement and go ahead and use it on me?"
Can you IRONCLAD GUARANTEE that nobody else in your family would sue?

No.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
As a doctor, I can tell you that vitamin C does what Dr. Thomas Levy claims with respect to Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. Here in New Mexico we DO have problems with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome. We have had members of a household where someone has come down with Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome NOT come down with it, and the only difference that existed was that the household members were taking vitamin C and the patient/victim was not. WE have seen infection numbers decline in prone areas where people have added vitamin C to their diets with supplementation of vitamin C. Of those areas here in New Mexico that seem to be prone to outbreaks of Hantavirus and they seem to be more of a seasonal event as well. I recommend to all my patients who reside in those areas that they take vitamin C, and in particular the ESTER-C supplement. I do not recommend taking it to a high level of bowel tolerance, a normal level to me appears to be appropriate. Taking the ESTER-C at what would be considered a normal daily dose will correct deficiencies and bring you up to the level needed for good pulmonary health. I have seen a ton of information about patients with what you could easily call severe scurvy regain good health after following suggested normal doses of the ESTER-C supplement.

I normally do not comment on this kind and similar kinds of these discussions. I find myself compelled to make the comment I have made because I do believe this to be good, correct information regarding a sound preventative action you can take, and that will benefit you in many ways in the overall of your state of health. I will not debate my statement with anyone here, I have said what I have said and it's my bottom line of how I see vitamin C helping with hemorrhages, since it does help. I feel Dr. Levy called this correct with regard to vitamin C deficiencies and how those deficiencies DO make you much more vulnerable to contraction of hemorrhagic viruses when exposed to them. Take it or leave it, your choice to do so. The product I mentioned is the best product on the market, I spent quite a bit of time years ago in the 90's looking for the best product I could find that was perfect in it's composition/design for people to use, I use it myself, and have been using it since the 90's on a daily basis. I am not giving a professional opinion, all of what I have said is reflective of what I have seen, observed, and heard from many people living here in New Mexico. Through many years of using vitamin C in my own health care regime, I found the ESTER-C to be the only product that did what it said, my personal experience with it has kept me using it all this time.


NP

Thank you for posting this. I was about to give up on the thread, to be honest, but am glad I found your information. I've passed it on to a friend with several young children, and she's also going to start using the ESTER-C.

Kathleen
 

Steel Chips

Veteran Member
Ester-C is a proprietary form of vitamin C and is a registered trademark of the Ester-C Company. Effectiveness claims made by the company gets repeated millions of times and becomes truth.

What I know is that Ester-C is somewhat more bio-available than regular vitamin C and has its pros and cons. Its main claim to fame is that it remains in the body up to 24 hours after intake, instead of the 4 hours of regular vitamin C. The longer period of retention provides a more effective immune system support and helps to deny a foothold to many viruses. Still, these forms of oral vitamin C have a low bio-availability, I believe it is less than 10%, the majority of which is flushed in the digestive tract.

However, when someone becomes seriously ill, any temporary stores of vitamin C are rapidly used up and it approaches zero in effectiveness. You cannot take enough of it orally to overcome this deficit; hence, the amazing curative powers of intravenous vitamin C. Real liposomal encapsulated vitamin C, made ultrasonically, approaches a bio-availability of 90%, which is why it is also highly effective against some illnesses.

As has been witnessed and reported, in general, the allopathic community has no desire to use innovative approaches to the curing of illness. These types of doctors and hospitals cannot make huge sums of money on a rapid recovery; the real money being made by long hospital stays.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Based on the 'fragility factor' of capillaries I speculated Vit-C with bioflavonoids might be a major tool for treating the bleed-out weakness of the ravaged immune system.
 
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joyfulheart

Veteran Member
I am bumping this tread up (it was hard to find- so many Ebola threads!!)

I purchased the machine thing and ingredients to make my own Liposomal Vitamin C. I made a regular dose batch today and am going to start it on myself and the dog.

Yes, the dog. He caught kennel cough from the dog we adopted several weeks ago. It went to a secondary infection. He is on antibiotics but is not improving. The doctor just says to wait. My research shows it is safe to give to dogs and actually helps the recovery from Kennel Cough. I gave him 2 tsp an hour ago, and will give him another dose after dinner.

Anyone else done this and seen good results?
 

Waz1152

Veteran Member
WE are making our Own Liposomal Vit C, it is really easy to make, am also taking h2o2 every day for the oxygenation of cells, ebola hates an oxygen environment apparently, wife used to take so much Vit C and never helped, the Lipos seems to,

Am also going to keep Colloidal silver intake as well, why wait for a just in case, we take it every day, we are in the category of health deficient, failed spinal ops, Asthma, auto immune issues, so we have to be smart
Simply, choose to try and do your best to ward of ebola etc, or wait and see, if it comes, Hospitals etc will not cope, neither will outpatient clinics
Would be good to have a GP willing to IV liposomal C, but how many would put themselves at risk of contracting it from you, many of us would be on our Own
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
This article is referring to Liposomal Vit C, not what you get in the drug store as a supplement or eating an orange. Linus Pauling, Riordan Clinic, etc. will help in distinguishing the difference between the two.

Thanks for pointing that out again frazbo.
 

Reborn

Seeking Aslan's Country
Those of you making the Liposomal vitamin C, please let us know how it goes. We had a thread about Liposomal vitamin C (link previously posted) and several members were taking it but the thread seemed to fizzle out unlike the DE thread. Made me wonder how effective this was?
 

almost ready

Inactive
This MD is NOT anonymous, but a colleague of Pauling.

Hi, found an article by a confederate and coauthor of Linus Pauling. It gives a theoretical basis for the Vitamin C - Ebola disease link. I'll go on taking the liposomal C. Have so many things going around, from West Nile Virus to Hanta Virus in our area, that there's no reason to drop the daily drink.

Looks like Ebola and natural medicine are a good fit. :D

The Ebola Epidemic:
A Chance to Embrace Natural Medicine​

In recent weeks the Ebola epidemic has made headlines all over the world. Ebola is a highly infective and fatal viral disease that deserves to be taken very seriously. However, as always, such outbreaks are immediately being instrumentalised by those interest groups that have established a global business with diseases and the fears that accompany them – namely, the pharmaceutical investment business.

In this situation, with the World Health Organization (WHO) having now declared the spread of Ebola in West Africa as an international health emergency, it is necessary to discern facts from fiction and present viable solutions to those affected as patients and those responsible as political stakeholders.

Ebola is caused by a virus of the class of filoviruses that are characterized by producing hemorrhagic fever. This means that the virus is affecting the vascular system in a way that causes leakages, leading gradually to, and ultimately massive, blood loss and death.

In the current public debate one scientific fact has gone largely unnoticed: the Ebola virus is causing disease and death only in humans and subhuman primates. Other natural hosts of this dangerous virus are not known to develop the disease. According to the WHO these ‘protected’ hosts also include antelopes, porcupines and fruit eating bats. Remarkably, even though these animals can carry the Ebola virus for many years, they remain unaffected by it.

There is an explanation for this fact. Most animals synthesize vitamin C in their bodies in huge amounts. Vitamin C, being one of the most powerful antiviral agents of nature, is apparently able to prevent, or at least limit, the disastrous health consequences of the Ebola virus. In the case of fruit-eating bats, an animal unable to synthesize vitamin C, their diet consists almost exclusively of fresh fruits that are high in vitamin C content.

In contrast, humans cannot produce a single molecule of vitamin C in their bodies and frequently suffer from vitamin deficiencies due to insufficient dietary intake. This makes the human body susceptible to Ebola and other viruses. Thus, it is not surprising that the characteristic symptoms of the Ebola infection – massive blood loss through leaky blood vessel walls – bear a striking resemblance to the well-defined vitamin C deficiency symptoms of the sailors’ disease, Scurvy.

The antiviral properties of vitamin C and certain other micronutrients have been proven beyond any scientific doubt. Moreover, their benefits in augmenting and improving the immune system have been recognized by no less than nine Nobel prizes.

It is therefore high time that local, national and global health authorities – and particularly the World Health Organization – take advantage of these scientific facts and promote them as primary public health measures to contain the Ebola epidemic.

In the absence of this happening we encourage you to disseminate this important information as widely as possible through your personal contacts and social networks.

Matthias Rath, M.D.
8 August, 2014

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/NHC/ebola_chance_to_embrace_micronutrients.htm
 

rugrats12

Contributing Member
Those of you making the Liposomal vitamin C, please let us know how it goes. We had a thread about Liposomal vitamin C (link previously posted) and several members were taking it but the thread seemed to fizzle out unlike the DE thread. Made me wonder how effective this was?
Does anyone still make and use this..any results?
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Would that 500,000 of vitamin C be intravenous? If you took that much by mouth a day wouldn't you be shitting like a billy goat.:kk2::fl2:

No, you would sit on the toilet like everyone else.

You can also buy ascorbate powder that you would mix with juice and drink. One tsp. is, I think, about 5 or 6 grams of C. Still gonna be a problem getting that 500 gm. down.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Looking up figures for LD50 for vit. C, I found that the level for rats is 11.9 gm/kg. For humans that would amount to about 800 gm for a 150 lb. person. Actually, there hasn't been an LD50 established for humans according to wikipedia.
 

Jake Grey

Veteran Member
BTTT

I've been trying to find all the "home remedies" related to Ebola. I know, I know, there is no cure. But trying these things is worth a shot. If anyone can find some links to other remedies, and post a link here or maybe compile all the Ebola home remedies it would be great. I'm trying to find something on TB2K about selenium and Ebola now. Trying to make hard copies of some of this stuff just in case.

Melatonin
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?456008-Ebola-amp-Melatonin-Treatment
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Why can't people put information out in printed form, without having to make a damned video about it?! Doesn't anyone read anymore?

Summerthyme

To answer your question it's all about monetizing their videos over at youtube and fame, and maybe even some notoriety. But in the final analysis NO people don't read anymore.
 
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