WTF?!? BLM Teacher Says 2+2 Only = 4 Because of “Western Imperialism”
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Maybe just - free - for black people.
Or our lack of understanding this is the reason our culture couldn't even invent a fly swatter.
Dat's "wite debil". You gots ta get it rite, you wite debil...
Neither does ice cream.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Actually she does have a point. In the past it was rock rock and rock rock is squirrel. Western Imperialism has forced a uniform method of counting upon the world. To the point of others is could just as we be nut / woman or anything else, but using the western format of numbers it can only be 4.
I can agree it is White Imperialism that forced this change. I would also argue it is a more efficient system and not a bad thing as she attempting to protray.
The Wannabes is a proud historied tribe from Sub Saharan Africa with exceptional skills in the maths and science which they inherited from their Sirius Star alien forbears.If you look at her self-description in Post #10, she is a WANNABE math person.
Elza
Veteran Member
That would only "prove" (to them anyway) that Archimedes was a racist.
What in the Wide, Wide World of Sports is going on here?
Oops.
So, when they calculate the reparations they demand, I suppose they get to do the math in a "non-racist way"?
And if you don't accept all absurdity in a groveling and apologetic way you're a white supremacist?
I'm not adjusting very well to bizarro world.
Oops.
So, when they calculate the reparations they demand, I suppose they get to do the math in a "non-racist way"?
And if you don't accept all absurdity in a groveling and apologetic way you're a white supremacist?
I'm not adjusting very well to bizarro world.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Dennis
They demonstrated this when I was in the 6th grade, also when I had to learn about "cultural views of time" in graduate school.
Culture does affect how we count time, but it doesn't matter if you make the day into units of 24 "hours" or split the same amount of time as it takes to make the Earth turn into some units of 10 (or 20 the way the Maya and Olmecs did) the basic results are the same.
Also, it doesn't matter if "Day" starts after Midnight as we Westerners do it, at Sunset as it is in Jewish Tradition, it is still the same number of hours and minutes involved in the Earth going round and round in one Earth cycle.
Just like it doesn't matter if you have 12 (there's that base 6 again) months of the year (Solar Calendar) or a 13 Month Lunar calendar - the time it takes for the Earth to go around the sun doesn't change but how different groups of humans count it does.
If that still makes no sense I give up and someone else can try - I won't even try to seriously get into the Mayan/Olmec Base 20 counting system, that one made my head hurt, I barely passed my exams.
If we used base 10, I can't do the figuring (someone who can do math can I'm sure) the day would be divided into 100 seconds as a "minute/unit of time" (instead of 60) basically you would divide the day and night into sections of 10 rather than 6 (or 100 instead of 60).
They demonstrated this when I was in the 6th grade, also when I had to learn about "cultural views of time" in graduate school.
Culture does affect how we count time, but it doesn't matter if you make the day into units of 24 "hours" or split the same amount of time as it takes to make the Earth turn into some units of 10 (or 20 the way the Maya and Olmecs did) the basic results are the same.
Also, it doesn't matter if "Day" starts after Midnight as we Westerners do it, at Sunset as it is in Jewish Tradition, it is still the same number of hours and minutes involved in the Earth going round and round in one Earth cycle.
Just like it doesn't matter if you have 12 (there's that base 6 again) months of the year (Solar Calendar) or a 13 Month Lunar calendar - the time it takes for the Earth to go around the sun doesn't change but how different groups of humans count it does.
If that still makes no sense I give up and someone else can try - I won't even try to seriously get into the Mayan/Olmec Base 20 counting system, that one made my head hurt, I barely passed my exams.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
And some of it was also the same or similar in Mesopotamia but it is totally possible the civilizations were in touch with each other.
Elza
Veteran Member
10 + 12 + 2 = 24??!! This can't be correct. It must be racist.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
"The Ancient Egyptians used simple sundials and divided days into smaller parts, and it has been suggested that as early as 1,500BC, they divided the interval between sunrise and sunset into 12 parts.
Our familiar divisions of time are more recent and current terminology about time and time-keeping originated from the Babylonians and the Jews (the seven-day week in Genesis). The Ancient Romans, during the republic, went with eight days – including a shopping day where people would buy and sell things. When the Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion early in the 4th century AD, the seven‑day week was officially adopted."
www.city.ac.uk
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Melodi here - by Babylonians they really trace back a lot further to the earlier civilization that Abraham of UR (Mesopotamian City) came from - the 24 hours is Egyptian (mostly) and may come to us via the Hebrews (a lot of stuff in the early books of the Old Testament are similar to cures, rules, and ideas from Egypt).
And again, Nightwolf and I had to study this when his publisher asked us to write Gilgamesh as a novel -which should be back in print in a month or two.
I can possibly get him to go into more detail since he does math and I don't.
Our familiar divisions of time are more recent and current terminology about time and time-keeping originated from the Babylonians and the Jews (the seven-day week in Genesis). The Ancient Romans, during the republic, went with eight days – including a shopping day where people would buy and sell things. When the Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion early in the 4th century AD, the seven‑day week was officially adopted."
A brief history of telling time
Professor Ken Grattan explains the development of time measurement
Melodi here - by Babylonians they really trace back a lot further to the earlier civilization that Abraham of UR (Mesopotamian City) came from - the 24 hours is Egyptian (mostly) and may come to us via the Hebrews (a lot of stuff in the early books of the Old Testament are similar to cures, rules, and ideas from Egypt).
And again, Nightwolf and I had to study this when his publisher asked us to write Gilgamesh as a novel -which should be back in print in a month or two.
I can possibly get him to go into more detail since he does math and I don't.
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
This true, as long as you're consistent and repeatable. Apparently those two don't agree with "Feelz."
"It feelz like five today, so today it be five you jive. Tomorrow I might be feeling like three."
The original arithmetic was invented by the Persians, and did not include a "zero." It took the Indians (dot) to add to the Persian zero and make something that could be used. The Origin of Zero The same Indians pioneered the concept of "negative numbers" about the same time. Imaginary numbers existed earlier with the Greeks but it took 17th Century Rene Descartes and others to bring them to use. Imaginary number - Wikipedia
Not unsurprisingly, addition and other arithmetic are performed identically even outside of Base 10.
Owner makes fun of me when I "count." I don't appreciate it. My negative numbers are so many hoof-beats and a sideways slide of the hoof (i.e. a negative sign.)
Dobbin
hunybee
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Sweet Moses, we are now getting into the area of NORMAL people with the old way of doing math (i.e. the correct way) not being able to get a job because the EMPLOYER is a student of the new math! They get angry or frustrated by someone doing their job.
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dawnbringr
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... a deep, in depth discussion about calculus, sprinkled with "western imperialism"...
Run time is 3:41,, although you'll probably be ready to hurl after the first minute.
View: https://youtu.be/tOFJpsDmKvU?list=PL4zdXTcdZH3ymyvzUVf21AvwBe9qaB4Sc
Run time is 3:41,, although you'll probably be ready to hurl after the first minute.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The terrifying part is this woman is a teacher!
dawnbringr
Veteran Member
bbbuddy
DEPLORABLE ME
Oh yeah I love that one, lol.
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
THAT cracked me up, Dennis.
She's going after her PhD. No way will she stoop to be in the regular classroom. She's saving herself for ivory towers and academia. We can only hope that she learns what it is really like to have to work and earn something when she has to fight the rest of them for tenure.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Forgive me, but......
Many years ago I had an autistic man who did odd jobs for me, we became good friends, Sam, (the fella in the bus accident who became an incomplete quaderepeligic and died going on two years ago) who was tasked by me, to count to twenty as to give me time to run twenty feet out of his sight and screw on a simple water nozzle onto a hose. The twenty seconds allowing me to not get soaked, nor need to walk the hundred feet back, again, to the faucet. Well, I no sooner started to screw it on and got soaked. I was hot.....long day, with lots of em stacked...
I came around the corner and yelled, Sam I told you to count to twenty.....
He looked at me with his best Freddie Kruger smile of great accomplishment and said, I did, by two's.
My understanding that two plus two is no longer a sound reality. He counted to twenty, never comprehending the reason. Autism. God bless him. He's suppose to of secured me a mansion on his block. Looking forward to that day.
Many years ago I had an autistic man who did odd jobs for me, we became good friends, Sam, (the fella in the bus accident who became an incomplete quaderepeligic and died going on two years ago) who was tasked by me, to count to twenty as to give me time to run twenty feet out of his sight and screw on a simple water nozzle onto a hose. The twenty seconds allowing me to not get soaked, nor need to walk the hundred feet back, again, to the faucet. Well, I no sooner started to screw it on and got soaked. I was hot.....long day, with lots of em stacked...
I came around the corner and yelled, Sam I told you to count to twenty.....
He looked at me with his best Freddie Kruger smile of great accomplishment and said, I did, by two's.
My understanding that two plus two is no longer a sound reality. He counted to twenty, never comprehending the reason. Autism. God bless him. He's suppose to of secured me a mansion on his block. Looking forward to that day.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
OK, re the "where did the 360-degree circle come from"---and thus our 24-hour days (yes, they're related)---I had to look that up because I was curious about it when my own kids were learning math in homeschool and they wanted to also know "why".
I couldn't find my old notes tonight, but this is close to what I found then--and it's based FAR MORE on astronomical observations of the planet and the solar system around it, than in just the base-6 system. (in fact, the base-6 system CAME from astronomical observations). Read on:
We have Babylonian astronomical texts going back at least to 2000 BC. The history of Babylonian astronomy is thus very well documented. They divided the ecliptic into 360 degrees, and each degree into 60 minutes, etc. Why 360? It is true that the solar year is very approximately 360 days, though it could be noted that the Babylonians used a luni-solar year, and thus had an average of 354 days in a common year, and 383-4 in an intercalated year. The number 360 has lots of factors; in particular 360 degrees can easily be divided into 12 zodiacal signs of 30 degrees each, corresponding to the approximate position of the sun in 12 lunar months.
The results of Babylonian astronomy were adopted by the Greeks in the classical period and the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees was adopted notably by Ptolemy in his Almagest, the most influential astronomical book in late antiquity and the middle ages. It is likely that some Babylonian mathematical knowledge passed to the Persians in the pre-Islamic period, although this is difficult to document. What is certain is that the translation of Ptolemy’s Almagest into Arabic in the 9th century made Ptolemaic astronomy well-known to learned people in the Islamic world, including Persia.
You talk about Persian astrolabes, but you do not make it clear what period you are talking about. There is no evidence for astrolabes in Persia before the Islamic period.
If you have access to jstor you can read about the ancient Persian calendar here: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...24371&uid=2&uid=2129&uid=3738032&uid=70&uid=4
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I couldn't find my old notes tonight, but this is close to what I found then--and it's based FAR MORE on astronomical observations of the planet and the solar system around it, than in just the base-6 system. (in fact, the base-6 system CAME from astronomical observations). Read on:
We have Babylonian astronomical texts going back at least to 2000 BC. The history of Babylonian astronomy is thus very well documented. They divided the ecliptic into 360 degrees, and each degree into 60 minutes, etc. Why 360? It is true that the solar year is very approximately 360 days, though it could be noted that the Babylonians used a luni-solar year, and thus had an average of 354 days in a common year, and 383-4 in an intercalated year. The number 360 has lots of factors; in particular 360 degrees can easily be divided into 12 zodiacal signs of 30 degrees each, corresponding to the approximate position of the sun in 12 lunar months.
The results of Babylonian astronomy were adopted by the Greeks in the classical period and the division of the ecliptic into 360 degrees was adopted notably by Ptolemy in his Almagest, the most influential astronomical book in late antiquity and the middle ages. It is likely that some Babylonian mathematical knowledge passed to the Persians in the pre-Islamic period, although this is difficult to document. What is certain is that the translation of Ptolemy’s Almagest into Arabic in the 9th century made Ptolemaic astronomy well-known to learned people in the Islamic world, including Persia.
You talk about Persian astrolabes, but you do not make it clear what period you are talking about. There is no evidence for astrolabes in Persia before the Islamic period.
If you have access to jstor you can read about the ancient Persian calendar here: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...24371&uid=2&uid=2129&uid=3738032&uid=70&uid=4
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+1, but the link you gave me was giving "page loading error". btw, An "ancient" astrolabe was believed to belong to the era of Parthians. (that is, almost 300 years before Islam) Unfortunately, I didn't find relevant info on the Net. – M.A.R. Jan 30 '15 at 15:47- 1
Try this one: www.jstor.org/stable/4299943 – fdb Jan 30 '15 at 15:54
Thanks, it worked. Though I was aware that Persian calendar wasn't 360 days. The article had this implication on me that "Persian calendar is approximately 360 degrees. And every day Earth advances approximately one degree in its course around the sun." My bad. – M.A.R. Jan 30 '15 at 16:14
Boyer writes in his book: "It is not known just when the systematic use of the 360° circle came into mathematics, but it seems to be due largely to Hipparchus in connection with his table of chords. It is possible that he took over from Hypsicles, who earlier had divided the day into 360 parts, a subdivision that may have been suggested by Babylonian astronomy." archive.org/stream/AHistoryOfMathematics/… Evans writes "Hypsicles's is the earliest known Greek work to use the degree, a Babylonian unit of measure." – Conifold Feb 6 '15 at 23:36
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jazzy
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wait..........2+2 = 4 is western imperialism?
for thousands of years before there were western nations 2+2 Never equaled 4?
so in africa what does 2+2 equal? or saudia arabia or lebanon, or china or cambodia or papua papua new guinea?
she is saying only white people can count accurately?
for thousands of years before there were western nations 2+2 Never equaled 4?
so in africa what does 2+2 equal? or saudia arabia or lebanon, or china or cambodia or papua papua new guinea?
she is saying only white people can count accurately?
Mud hut
Tex88
Veteran Member
Worse than that, she will be going for a highly paid position on a public school board somewhere. We have that going on here and they are overpaid and out of control.
You asked "So in Africa what does2+2 equal ". They don't know,couldn't count that high
Grouchy Granny
Deceased
Well, in Africa it could be 10 or it could be 20. 2 hands of 5 plus 2 feet of 5 - ok 20 it is! Unless you only have one hand and one foot then it's 10! That's if they can count to 5.