bird flu now suspected in europe

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Bird Flu Now
Suspected In Europe
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
dr_p_doyle@hotmail.com
8-19-5

Hello, Jeff - Henry sure called this correctly. Note the Promed title, Avian Influenza - EUROPE The title says it all!

Patricia Doyle


From Dr. Henry Niman, PhD,

There is still a bit of waffling on H5N1 in Europe ,but there may be several outbreaks near the Caspian Sea. They are being called worms and H13, but H5N1 is probably aleady there.

Henry L. Niman, Ph.D.
President, Founder
Recombinomics, Inc.
648 Field Club Road
Pittsburgh, PA 15238

A ProMED-mail post
ProMED-mail is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases


Death Of Poultry In Bashkortostan,
Kalmykia Not Related To Bird Flu
Itar-Tass
8-19-5

The death of poultry in a Bashkortostan village and Kalmykia is in no way related to bird flu, head of the Rosselkhoznadzor Federal Service for Veterinary and Phitosanitary Inspection Sergei Dankvert told Itar-Tass on Thursday [18 Aug 2005].

"According to preliminary test results, the death of poultry was caused by saline poisoning," Dankvert said, adding that "the birds were given the fodder intended for cattle by mistake."

He also said the death of poultry in the Kalmyk republic had happened because of helminthiasis, a disease caused by parasitic worms.

http://www.tass.ru/eng/level2.html?NewsID=2330796&PageNum=0

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Similar and additional information is included in a detailed newswire of the Russian News agency, available (in Russian) at
http://www.newsru.com/russia/18aug2005/vaccine.html.

It mentions that the Pyatigorsk laboratory provided negative results for avian influenza on the afternoon of 18 Aug 2005. No further details on the tests are available, but it seems that these results are not final. Samples have been forwarded for confirmation to the virologic center in the city of Sergiev Posad, near Moscow, the results of which are expected at the end of 22 Aug 2005. - Mod.AS

Patricia A. Doyle, PhD
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CelticRose

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Anyone want to start suggest how long before the first confirmed cases of H5N1
are reported here in North America?
 
Fuzzychick

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CelticRose said:
Anyone want to start suggest how long before the first confirmed cases of H5N1
are reported here in North America?
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I think it would depend on birds' migration patterns and of course the human factor weighs in heavily here with air travel....I'd bet October, just in time for it to be confused with the "other" flu that they predict each yr., then all hell will be breaking loose...get your antivirals NOW....they won't be around much longer IMHO...
 
CelticRose

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I agree, Fuzzychick........ My question was mainly rhetorical...... I was considering that as the cluster of known and suspected cases in Russia and China begin to migrate towards India....... And from there into western Europe; that from there, the hop across the Atlantic may be very short.........

Though, I had worried that the 'initial' job over the pond; so to speak; might have occurred from the east; and that might still happen........ I'm still unclear as to the incubation period.... So it's still possible that we could see 'suspected' cases of H5N1 on our West coast, with the entry of students from the Asian mainland...

But of course..... I'm not trained in epidemeology.....Just a move viseral reaction......

Still......... I suppose I could go into 'full doomer mode' and suggest that just as nothing (explosions / power losses / plane crashes, etc, etc.....) are ever 'terrorist related'............ That TPTB will be slow, very slow, to confirm / report or announce; a case of H5N1........... Instead, if possible; I worry they may try to keep such reporting hidden, as you point out; in the overall expected cases of seasonal flu outbreaks............
 
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kelee877

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as i posted before in another post i figure so far i am the furthest up north unless you are in way north in the yukon..our birds have to fly south and the next spring fly north...and does anyone know of a bird that flies north..i mean way north for the winter...anyone comin to my house,....lol..lol
 
Fuzzychick

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kelee877 said:
as i posted before in another post i figure so far i am the furthest up north unless you are in way north in the yukon..our birds have to fly south and the next spring fly north...and does anyone know of a bird that flies north..i mean way north for the winter...anyone comin to my house,....lol..lol
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Ya never know, but ya really should keep your eyes peeled to your area and surrounding areas of reports of a surge in "flu" breakouts JMHO
 
freebyrd

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overwhelmed father with not enough time to read the voluminous bird flu threads,
so someone tell me how fast is this infecting humans? or is it infecting humans?
after the sars thing, lets call that the y2k of the disease world,i'm a little more skeptical about these pandemic scares
freebyrd
 
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summerthyme

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freebyrd- SO FAR, it's not infecting humans regularly. H2H (human to human) transmission hasn't happened OFTEN so far. But there have been enough clusters which were apparently H2H that it apparently CAN happen. If it mutates to the point where H2H is "efficient" (requiring little more than casual contact such as occurs during normal daily intercourse and social contacts), that's when we're in deep sh*t.

IOW- not yet, but nothing says it can't happen.

Whether or not it WILL... only God knows.

Summerthyme (preparing as if it will, praying it won't)
 
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