OP-ED BARR: Biden’s ‘Infrastructure’ Bill Contains Backdoor ‘Kill Switch’ For Cars

Greenspode

Veteran Member
Yeah, well, you're also not making a 500 mile trip on a horse. Ever.
It is actually perfectly doable. You may not be able to bring much in the way of luggage or passengers, and it may take you a while, but riding a horse 500 miles is really not an unheard of thing. People rode horses from one side of this country to the other all the time before vehicles. Even today, a 100 mile endurance competition in 2 days is pretty common and lots of people do it. I know an 8 year old girl that did one just last year. Riding 20 miles in a day just on a casual trail ride is routine for many.
 

Crusty Echo 7

Veteran Member
It would also be a convenient means to shut a lot of roads down at the same time…..

Remember manual transmissions? Now they’re a millennial anti theft device.

old truckers never die, they just get a new Peterbuilt.
 
No, they make you think you can't disconnect.
But how to disconnect? We need a license to drive, a bank account to pay bills, maybe a phone in the car in case the car breaks down, have to pay car insurance etc. I don't see how most of us can escape. I don't have a TV though so don't get that type of brainwashing. When the radio ads come on I turn the radio off or the volume off. Then I forget to turn it back on. I am disconnecting too by not getting the covid shot. I can partially disconnect but not all the way. I'm poor and can't afford solar so stay on the grid.
 

wvstuck

Only worry about what you can control!
But how to disconnect? We need a license to drive, a bank account to pay bills, maybe a phone in the car in case the car breaks down, have to pay car insurance etc. I don't see how most of us can escape. I don't have a TV though so don't get that type of brainwashing. When the radio ads come on I turn the radio off or the volume off. Then I forget to turn it back on. I am disconnecting too by not getting the covid shot. I can partially disconnect but not all the way. I'm poor and can't afford solar so stay on the grid.
It takes time to eliminate most of what you are discussing, and a desire to do things differently. There are a lot of people who have disconnected. It doesn’t happen overnight. We have been disconnecting for a couple years. Three more steps and we’re out. Are you poor because you don’t have the nice things you’re supposed to have by society’s standards or are you hungry living under a bridge poor? You have to accept a new reality and break the molds, then you are free from the matrix.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
For every restriction, limit and control THEY try force down our throats.....some shade tree back alley garage mechanic will figure out a way around it. If for no other reason than to SCREW "THE MAN"!! That's just our nature.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
I thought they were going through a potential minefield and didn’t want their donkey going boom….

Yeah...that could be why he's carrying it, for sure. I was just being silly when I said what I did up there. But...I hadn't thought about mine fields...
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Not necessarily - older American PU trucks that are not badly rusted out/chassis unsafe are infinitely fixable, and parts/expertise are widely available.

Fact.


intothegoodnight
Owner tells of companies who would buy clapped out C-1500, C-2500, C-3500 Chevy Trucks - yunno - the "square nose."

ALL the parts of the square nose are available repop. Including the cab. Owner says the doors were under $100 which he put on his 1978 "back in the day."

Anyway, this company would take your basket case, rebuild it, and sell it back to you for half of the price of an equivalent modern day Chevy.

Owner says this started during the Alaskan Pipeline - and even though the pipeline is done, the demand for these trucks continues enough to this day to support the trade.

Owner tried to convince his BIL to do this on his Battlestar Galactica (Chevy Suburban)

Dobbin
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This kill switch, or it's sensors, will most likely be on a fuse protected circuit. Finding that circuit, and pulling that fuse might do the trick if that circuit does not also power essential equipment. I've done this to the gps tracking systems on vehicles.

The software is a better idea. The best idea is to simply get an older vehicle that has none of this crap on it. Any vehicle with out the shark fin or extra baby antennae would be it. About 2003 or earlier.

Go 2001 and back. After the 2002 model year many car makers went with drive by wire systems. IE, ones that use a potentiometer rather than a throttle cable to meter the amount of fuel put out through the fuel injection system.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just imagine dodging potholes travelling through a sketchy part of town when your car declares you drunk and shuts down ....
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Everybody needs to keep in mind a few things. First, any "Matrix" to get stuck in needs to have many things that contribute to the makeup and continuance of that "Matrix". Take one or a few of those things away, and the "Matrix" unravels, or completely explodes. Systems require input and output, without them the system will fail. Second, every "block" that they use technology to create also can be defeated by technology. Whether it is a password in your Bios flashrom keeping you from booting, or some odd piece of code or a sensor keeping your vehicle from working, there are ways and devices to fix that problem (and getting them NOW may be a good idea to have for later). I personally use (at minimum) the following four devices:

Bus Pirate v3.6 universal serial interface or Bus Pirate v4

With those 4 devices, you can get inside of almost any part or control module on a vehicle as well as get inside almost any firmware or flash contents and find all sorts of interesting facts, assembly language, or passwords.

Third thing, learn NOW (if you haven't already) how things operate in general, so that you can better understand how things are both supposed to operate if they are not working right, OR how to make them operate differently if you need them to (or not operate at all if needed). Basically, learn how to "Hack" (original hardware hacking definition where the term came from). Learn how to make things work with what you have. If you need transportation, and you don't have a working car, and you can't make the changes to make the car work, look for other options and opportunities. I sat there and watched someone hack apart one of the electronic balance board scooters and make a rather substantial motor scooter out of the parts ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYmJzMMRJI ). While I would never bother making it look as good as he did, the process would be similar using the parts to power something else. IF what they are planning is the removal of gas/diesel vehicles, then you can also bet that they will be removing any outlets of those fuels in the areas that they want to control. If this is the case, then one may want to find alternative means of quick (and quiet) movement that does not require these fuels while holding on to their vehicles that DO need those fuels. An electric scooter, or quad, or something like an electric version of the Army's "Mule" would do nicely in "the sticks" once the fuels were hard to get. I've even been playing with making a quad or large street luge out of the motor/gearbox setup of the older Segway X2 series. The original motors were made for a 72V BLDC three phase drive with Hall Effect sensors for feedback so there are a LOT of options for driving them away from the rest of the guts of the segway, and you can get them going a LOT faster than the 12.5MPH that the segways were limited to. Six 12V@18AH AGM batteries (the magic 72V you need for the motors) will power it all day for normal driving now that you aren't blowing a lot of the batteries output trying to keep things balanced like an inverted pendulum. Again, make sure that you keep thinking outside the box. Better yet, BURN THE BOX DOWN and sweep the ashes into the trash.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Good brown gravy! I can only imagine what a nightmare will occur when I swerve sharply to avoid moose (or bear) (or wolf) (or bison) …or when I’m carefully navigating frost heaves at minus 35 headed to my sister’s house in North Pole on the icy, dark, narrow, windy, unlighted, two-way, non-divided highway for 340 miles through multiple mountain passes. Not to mention when there’s ice fog or heavy snow.

Or even driving up to hike in the mountains surrounding Anchorage. All with no impairment for me or my vehicle. But 52 years of safe driving in onerous conditions.

This is just the everyday stuff; it can sure get more interesting. But they are thinking city-driving/cookie cutter dimensions in the far more uncertain and complex reality in which we ALL actually live.

Maybe someday the magic they look for can happen. But not quite yet, without massive mistakes and mishaps.
So does that make you 68? You don't look it.
 

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
So does that make you 68? You don't look it.
Close - 66! Alaskans have good skin cuz we live in the dark and cold a lot (ha)….and I have a talent for growing hair, lol. ;) ( Mom passed when I was 14 so I did all the driving for the fam on a learners permit - the roads above Anchorage back then were…ummm. …not the norm).

ETA: I knew that if I ever got stopped without a full license back then that the cop would understand what i had to do to care for my family.
 
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rob0126

Veteran Member
This kill switch, or it's sensors, will most likely be on a fuse protected circuit. Finding that circuit, and pulling that fuse might do the trick if that circuit does not also power essential equipment. I've done this to the gps tracking systems on vehicles.

The software is a better idea. The best idea is to simply get an older vehicle that has none of this crap on it. Any vehicle with out the shark fin or extra baby antennae would be it. About 2003 or earlier.

Id imagine the new vehicles would have it built into the brain box hardware itself.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
and they have all wheel drive all the time.;)

And a horse can pull 'guard duty'...sort of...for you while you rest or fix a meal. Just learn what his snorts and sniffles mean and you'll know what's out there that he's sensing. Take dogs for instance...they growl a certain way if another dog comes too close. The growl will change slightly if it's a human and change again if it's some other kind of animal. Lol, and the growl will be totally different if he doesn't know what the heck it is. With all of your pets, you just have to 'listen' to them and learn their 'speech'. They care for you and want to protect you...and will try their best to warn you of danger. You love them and take care of them so they'll love you and do their best to take care of you.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Id imagine the new vehicles would have it built into the brain box hardware itself.
Maybe, the simplest way to defeat any of this crap is to just get an older vehicle. I've run several older vehicles ranging from the 50's to the 90's. Parts are both plentiful and cheap, plus easy to work on.
 

Marie

Veteran Member
I find it humourous that they assume all people go out and buy new cars. All my vehicles are used. Looking at buying any more vehicles are out of the question for us.

Besides one of the reasons I own hayburners is for prep.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
Will it stop racist terrorists from driving through Christmas parades?
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ohiohippie

Veteran Member
There’s a backdoor to everything.
Many years ago we heard there was a backdoor in Microsoft Windows.
We sat idly by and allowed it.
Not that we have a say.
*sigh
 

Ozarkian

Veteran Member
Anyone remember straight six cylinder 4 speed manual transmission 4x4s? Simple, reliable, and capable for 90% of most folks needs.

Yep! I had a 79 F150 with a what they called the Big Six. It was a 300cui. straight Six with a 4 speed and a granny gear. I could walk that thing out of a swamp and pull about anything.
 
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