VIDEO Bank Meltdown Is Coming To China As Evergrande Crisis Triggers Commercial Real Estate Collapse

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Bank Meltdown Is Coming To China As Evergrande Crisis Triggers Commercial Real Estate Collapse

About 15 minutes long

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s--KsUnNrV8


The financial disaster alert is on! A catastrophic bank meltdown seems to be looming in China: The country's entire financial sector is getting extremely alarmed with the possibility of a major default crisis, given that one of its biggest property developers, Evergrande, recently announced that it became unable to pay its gigantic debt. That debacle has exposed the perilous state of China’s vast property sector and its consequences could have a ripple effect across global markets and lead to billions in losses.


Last week, Evergrande, the world’s most indebted property developer, warned that it would likely fail to meet its financial obligations, triggering widespread panic among investors, dealing a severe blow to its bonds, and resulting in trading suspensions in the markets of Shenzhen and Shanghai.The crisis led two credit rating agencies to downgrade Evergrande last week, and it sparked a shocking 80% collapse on its Hong Kong-listed shares since the beginning of the year. And at the beginning of this week, the Shanghai Stock Exchange stopped trading in Evergrande's May 2023 bond after it dropped more than 30%.


Right now, the Chinese developer is sitting under a colossal pile of liabilities that total more than $300 billion, after decades of borrowing to finance its rapid growth. Over the past few weeks, Evergrande has been rushing to sell assets to generate cash but several companies are refusing to accept the firm's commercial paper. According to S&P analysts, the developer might be paying suppliers through transfers of its properties instead of cash.

In essence, the company has become exposed to a vicious debt cycle, and it doesn't have enough cash to finish its projects and generate further proceeds from sales. Only in August, sales declined by a staggering 26 percent compared to the same time last year despite the steep discounts. And, of course, the developer is in desperate need of that cash not only to service but also to reduce, its enormous debts.


Beyond financial markets, the most significant problems that could be triggered by the Evergrande downfall are a residential and commercial real estate collapse all across China, as well as a brutal crisis on the broader property sector. Other worries include the growing possibility of a bank meltdown, as at least 128 banks are highly exposed to Evergrande's liabilities, according to a 2020 leaked document. On top of that, 121 non-banking institutions are also exposed, and all of them are at risk of facing billions in losses.


Analysts have been comparing the imminent bank meltdown in China to the 2008 collapse of U.S. investment bank Lehman Brothers, which sparked crises at counterparties and ended up collapsing global markets. Bloomberg reported that Chinese authorities warned major lenders to China Evergrande Group "not to expect interest payments due next week on bank loans, which takes the cash-strapped developer a step closer the nation’s largest modern-day restructurings," and signals that China's "Lehman Moment" is right around the corner.

Authorities have been silent on whether they will allow Evergrande creditors to face major losses. Bondholders are speculating that a buyout, break-up, or bailout are the only possible scenarios, which has infuriated countless investors and creditors. The company's intricate web of obligations to bondholders, investors, banks, suppliers, and homeowners has essentially turned into one of the biggest sources of financial risk in the world’s second-largest economy. It is now threatening to trigger a crisis that goes beyond a residential and commercial real estate collapse -- or even a widespread bank meltdown -- but it could result in a financial catastrophe that would impact the entire world. Analysts argue that now that investors started to sell off their holdings of the company, the broader credit market may be dragged further down if the property developer fails to buy time with banks to pay off its debt. The consequences are also threatening to spill over the Chinese economy.

Considering that real estate is the central engine of China's growth, which accounts for 29% of economic output, a residential and commercial real estate collapse in addition to the bankruptcy of such a large company would have severe repercussions on the economy. Investors are growing increasingly nervous that the Evergrande collapse could spread to other property developers and result in dangerous systemic risks for the country's banking system. As the financial expert Mark Twain noted, companies go bankrupt in two ways. "Gradually, then suddenly." Until last week, Evergrande was in the "gradually" phase. Now, it just got to the "suddenly" phase. From now on, the collapse is likely to accelerate and generate a cascade of systemic failures, bankruptcies and push China to the verge of a default crisis never before seen in world history. https://www.epiceconomist.com


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hiwall

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Most everything in the world can be at least temporarily fixed with large infusions of currency.
We have all seen this take place again and again here in the FUSA. I'm sure it will work in China too.
 

Knight_Loring

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This seems to be a big problem for China only. Not sure it will spill over to the rest of the world. China has been isolating themselves separately from all other nations this year.

Tough to know if they will have negative impact on the US.

Biden and handlers are destroying the US no matter what is happening internationally.
 

20Gauge

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Most everything in the world can be at least temporarily fixed with large infusions of currency.
We have all seen this take place again and again here in the FUSA. I'm sure it will work in China too.
This is my thought. They are going to take it over and paper it with cash.
 

The Snack Artist

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This is my thought. They are going to take it over and paper it with cash.
Absolutely. They will paper it over by eliminating all the Evergrande depositors who show anger at their money being stolen. Buyer beware. jyna has a way with those who don't cooperate. Think weegurs.
 

Henry Bowman

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This seems to be a big problem for China only. Not sure it will spill over to the rest of the world. China has been isolating themselves separately from all other nations this year.

Tough to know if they will have negative impact on the US.

Biden and handlers are destroying the US no matter what is happening internationally.
Actually for Australia as well as they have a huge portion of funds invested in this for Pensions IIRC
 

Techwreck

Veteran Member
Absolutely. They will paper it over by eliminating all the Evergrande depositors who show anger at their money being stolen. Buyer beware. jyna has a way with those who don't cooperate. Think weegurs.
Dang, I thought it was bad when the US reclassified bank depositors into unsecured creditors to the bank, to enable more legal-like bail- ins.

You're speculating that Chyna might turn depositors into missing persons?

Full commie mode sure does sound handy for those at the top.
 

Old Gray Mare

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Also related thread:
Citigroup, Credit Suisse stop accepting Chinese dollar bonds/How China's Real Estate Beast is formed
 

Melodi

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Sadly, this is not likely to stay "contained" in China, they may be able to pull that off for a few days or even weeks. But I gather from reports in places like Zero Hedge that there are tons of "unnamed" investors, many of whom are probably banks and other financial institutions as well as high net worth individuals or corporations that are invested in this bank.

Even if that were not the case, or if it has been "over" reported, there are still huge amounts of money owned by this bank and a chunk of it is owed to Western Banks and other Western Sources.

When/if they can't make payment on those loans (and they are defaulting now) those banks and institutions just got left holding the bag.

As the old saying goes: "If you owe the bank 1,000 dollars and can't pay then you have a problem, if you owe the bank a hundred million dollars and you can't pay, the bank has a problem."

The original version was "owe the bank a million dollars" but money is so inflated you need a larger figure to get the full impact of the problem.

EverCrumbling owes at least between 300 and 400 billion dollars in debts it can't pay and some of that is to non-Chinese and in some cases Western, investors and investment groups or banks.
 

Dozdoats

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Most everything in the world can be at least temporarily fixed with large infusions of currency.

Until it can't.

A Special Forces friend in Mogadishu back in Black Hawk Down days sent me a bundle of international and local currency he picked up in the street. Someone blew up the vault in the local bank and "money" was blowing around in the wind like fallen leaves. No one bothered to pick it up - it was worthless.
 

Housecarl

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Xi and his clique are painting themselves into a corner. Granted the work on the floor was started long ago by others but they're the ones holding the paint brush now. Given that they've changed CCP internal politics into a life or death game, they've set themselves up for only one eventual ending.
 

Doomer Doug

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Like the Argentinian Generals did with the Falklands, Xi is pushing hard for war now that biden et al ain't staying bought. Are you feeling the Xi the Merciless vibe here? Economic chaos in China will lead to WAR as Xi looks for a diversion.


Biden's warning to China: USS Wyoming test launches Trident II nuclear missiles off Cape Canaveral after Beijing warned of nuclear war risk over AUKUS submarine pact
  • The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles on Friday
  • The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, tested two Trident II missiles before sending them to join the fleet
  • The US has a fleet of 14 Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines which have completed 184 successful missile test flights
  • The ballistic missile submarines primarily serve as deterrence
  • The Navy stated the tests are scheduled years in advance and 'not conducted in response to any ongoing world events, nor as a demonstration of power'
  • On Thursday, Australia announced they will build nuclear-powered submarines in a historic new alliance with US and UK
  • The move will hugely expand Australian military capability in the Indo-Pacific region to counter China
By ADRIANA DIAZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:21 EDT, 18 September 2021 | UPDATED: 17:53 EDT, 18 September 2021

The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles from the USS Wyoming on Friday.
The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, was floating off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida when it completed the test, which was part of a Demonstration and Shakedown Operation, designated DASO-31.
A DASO is conducted to asses the fitness of the ballistic missile submarine and its crew before being sent out for operational deployment after the ship's refueling overhaul.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Like the Argentinian Generals did with the Falklands, Xi is pushing hard for war now that biden et al ain't staying bought. Are you feeling the Xi the Merciless vibe here? Economic chaos in China will lead to WAR as Xi looks for a diversion.


Biden's warning to China: USS Wyoming test launches Trident II nuclear missiles off Cape Canaveral after Beijing warned of nuclear war risk over AUKUS submarine pact
  • The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles on Friday
  • The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, tested two Trident II missiles before sending them to join the fleet
  • The US has a fleet of 14 Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines which have completed 184 successful missile test flights
  • The ballistic missile submarines primarily serve as deterrence
  • The Navy stated the tests are scheduled years in advance and 'not conducted in response to any ongoing world events, nor as a demonstration of power'
  • On Thursday, Australia announced they will build nuclear-powered submarines in a historic new alliance with US and UK
  • The move will hugely expand Australian military capability in the Indo-Pacific region to counter China
By ADRIANA DIAZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:21 EDT, 18 September 2021 | UPDATED: 17:53 EDT, 18 September 2021

The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles from the USS Wyoming on Friday.
The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, was floating off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida when it completed the test, which was part of a Demonstration and Shakedown Operation, designated DASO-31.
A DASO is conducted to asses the fitness of the ballistic missile submarine and its crew before being sent out for operational deployment after the ship's refueling overhaul.

Yeah. Galtieri and company really misread that one. In the case of Xi et al, they don't even have a non-extradition country to run to if it goes tango uniform.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Oh they are in the bullet in the back of the head, followed by a push into the ditch, and maybe some lime or napalm to clean things up.

Xi is rolling the dice, Housecarl, and at that level, there is no midnight flight out. I can't remember which one it was, but one of Mao's buddies, tried to fly out back in the 1970's was it, and ended up as a burn mark in a rice paddy. :kaid:

Xi belongs to the "you are on the top, until you are not on the top, and you are a smoldering corpse or whatever.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Oh they are in the bullet in the back of the head, followed by a push into the ditch, and maybe some lime or napalm to clean things up.

Xi is rolling the dice, Housecarl, and at that level, there is no midnight flight out. I can't remember which one it was, but one of Mao's buddies, tried to fly out back in the 1970's was it, and ended up as a burn mark in a rice paddy. :kaid:

Xi belongs to the "you are on the top, until you are not on the top, and you are a smoldering corpse or whatever.

Yup.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Somebody sold a major AG position last week, depressing the spot price around 10%. I wonder if some Asian country realized that they are going to need a lot of cash on hand next week.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Oh they are in the bullet in the back of the head, followed by a push into the ditch, and maybe some lime or napalm to clean things up.

Xi is rolling the dice, Housecarl, and at that level, there is no midnight flight out. I can't remember which one it was, but one of Mao's buddies, tried to fly out back in the 1970's was it, and ended up as a burn mark in a rice paddy. :kaid:

Xi belongs to the "you are on the top, until you are not on the top, and you are a smoldering corpse or whatever.

Lin Bao, vice chairman of the CCP and vice premier of the PRC. He reportedly, per the official CCP narrative, lead a failed coup d'état and the plane crashed due to running out of fuel while flying to the USSR. The plane came down in Mongolia and the Soviets were the ones who confirmed his death on 13 Sept 1971.
 
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bcingu

Senior Member
Yes this is huge. The problem with bailing them out is Evergrande's debt is over 80% in dollars not yuan. From what I have heard somewhere over 500 billion.
Further, Evergrande's investors are worldwide & as pointed out by Henry Bowman & Melodi not only foreign private investors but also foreign corporations & governments are investors not just foreign banks.
Some are asking if this is another Lehman Brothers moment. If so this could get ugly very fast.
 

China Connection

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This video brings home how big a problem there is.

China’s Debt Crisis | Evergrande Collapse

about 15 minutes long


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hepGV9C2T90



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The Evergrande Crisis Continues. First Clip is from Bill Birtles from Australia’s ABC but my new favourite newsreader Is in the second clip from Wion the Global Channel based in Delhi. Does anyone know her name?
 

alchemike

Veteran Member
Like the Argentinian Generals did with the Falklands, Xi is pushing hard for war now that biden et al ain't staying bought. Are you feeling the Xi the Merciless vibe here? Economic chaos in China will lead to WAR as Xi looks for a diversion.


Biden's warning to China: USS Wyoming test launches Trident II nuclear missiles off Cape Canaveral after Beijing warned of nuclear war risk over AUKUS submarine pact
  • The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles on Friday
  • The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, tested two Trident II missiles before sending them to join the fleet
  • The US has a fleet of 14 Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines which have completed 184 successful missile test flights
  • The ballistic missile submarines primarily serve as deterrence
  • The Navy stated the tests are scheduled years in advance and 'not conducted in response to any ongoing world events, nor as a demonstration of power'
  • On Thursday, Australia announced they will build nuclear-powered submarines in a historic new alliance with US and UK
  • The move will hugely expand Australian military capability in the Indo-Pacific region to counter China
By ADRIANA DIAZ FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 17:21 EDT, 18 September 2021 | UPDATED: 17:53 EDT, 18 September 2021

The US Navy successfully conducted a scheduled two-missile test launch of un-armed life-extended Trident D5LE nuclear missiles from the USS Wyoming on Friday.
The USS Wyoming (SSBN-742), an Ohio-class ballistic missile submarine, was floating off the coast of Cape Canaveral, Florida when it completed the test, which was part of a Demonstration and Shakedown Operation, designated DASO-31.
A DASO is conducted to asses the fitness of the ballistic missile submarine and its crew before being sent out for operational deployment after the ship's refueling overhaul.

ANY story about Biden or the current administration challenging the Chinese is pure PR.
The former USA is now a defacto Chinese proxy.

We will have to fight to restore the Constitution and replace the traitors or we will be subjugated by the CCP.

There are no other options left.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Au contraire, biden's cabal, plus obama, can't stay bought and this is what is really pissing Xi the Merciless off.
Xi won't allow the useful idiots to stay in charge of the usa, and they are starting to finally figure that out. :D
Obama won't share, any more than Japan, or Australia will the Pacific. A strategic US, Australia, New Zealand, British merger is not on Xi's bucket list.
 
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