TRANS Automakers Are Calling Out Biden’s EV Fantasy

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Automakers Are Calling Out Biden’s EV Fantasy

The Biden administration is getting significant pushback from auto industry representatives over its anticipated tightening of EPA rules governing tailpipe emissions. In a draft memo leaked this week, the Alliance for Automotive Innovation (AAI) refers to the proposed standards as being “neither reasonable nor achievable in the timeframe provided.”

Honestly, that describes pretty much the entire energy/environment agenda of this presidency. Specific to this latest EPA crackdown, AAI — which represents most EV makers in the U.S. other than Tesla — notes that the “proposed rules effectively assume that everything ‘will go perfectly’ in the transformation to EVs between now and 2032. The agency unrealistically assumes, for example, an over-abundance of battery critical mineral mines, critical mineral processing capacity and battery component, cell and pack production facilities lead to continued battery price reductions. The recently released Q1 2023 Get Connected EV report shows how China dominates those areas.”

For electric vehicles (EVs), this issue of critical mineral supplies is the key to everything. The main reason why EVs weigh so much more than gas and diesel powered cars is the prodigious amount of critical energy minerals that go into the making of the lithium-ion batteries that power them. The minerals required include lithium, nickel, cobalt, manganese, and graphite, all of which are recovered via hard rock mining operations.

But the U.S. and other countries in North America and Europe made a collective decision to essentially farm out the business of hard rock mining to developing nations and the processing of them to China in the 1980s as part of the environmental priorities of that time. As a result, most supply chains for these and other key energy minerals are under control of the communist Chinese government.

Obviously, that is not a situation that promotes a high degree of energy security, either for the automakers or the United States. In June 2021, President Biden seemed to recognize this issue and promised his regime would mount a “whole of government” approach to developing necessary mining capacity and supply chains in alliance with friendly countries outside of China. But progress from this initiative has been predictably plodding and modest, leaving U.S. automakers increasingly stuck with a raft of new mandates and timelines they increasingly fear they will be unable to fulfill.

In its memo, AAI refers to the proposed EPA regulation as a “de facto EV mandate,” a description the Biden government frankly admits is correct. EPA itself says the regulation is designed to effectively mandate that EVs make up fully 2/3rds of all cars made in the U.S. by 2032, just 9 years from now. This compares to EVS making up less than 6% of U.S.-manufactured autos in 2022.

AAI points to several other unrealistic assumptions EPA makes in its proposal. One such assumption holds that government will continue to expand consumer subsidies to the point where their benefits will exceed the cost of the battery, i.e., that making and installing the batteries will essentially cost automakers nothing. “These assumptions are not realistic,” AAI responds.

AAI points out further that, while developing this “de facto mandate” for EV manufacturing in the U.S., the EPA “proposes NO requirements to ensure that charging and refueling infrastructure will be available at homes, businesses, public event venues, highway corridors, transportation hubs or other public locations.”

While it is outside the scope of AAI’s comments, it should also be noted that the suite of subsidies in last year’s Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) also do not include anything targeting the dramatic expansion of high-voltage electric transmission lines that will be required to accommodate the similarly dramatic increase in power generation capacity needed to recharge all these millions of EVs EPA envisions by 2032. Nor did the IRA include any provision designed to expand U.S. manufacturing of electric transformers that are key components of power transmission. The U.S. is currently experiencing a severe shortage of these transformers, most of which must be imported, with no relief in sight.

This combination of ill-considered mandates, poor planning, broken promises and fantasy-based timelines seems destined to create a severe energy crisis in the U.S., mostly likely sooner than anyone expects.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Why all the protestation from Automakers now? They're all ramping up to produce EVs etc and all serm to be adding more self-drive, autonomous features at the same time.

We're going to be forced into buying another truck near term and it will be hybrid I think, because of fuel economy.

I won't be buying something I can't drive where & when I want. I recently watched show on PBS which clearly showed how diificult it was to get from A-B in California which, sccording to PBS, is the most EV-friendly state in The Union.
I watched ecpevting a puff piece touting the virtues & wisdom of adopting EVs but the criticism was clearly not supportive of the concept.

The most damning criticism was of course the charging networks (or lack thereof) and the variations on charging interfaces.

I don't see a common plug type being mandated though; otherwise we wouldn't have so many cell charging interfaces.
 
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Abe Froman

Senior Member
Why all the protestation from Automakers now? They're all ramping up to produce EVs etc and all serm to be adding more self-drive, autonomous features at the same time.

We're going to be forced into buying another truck near term and it will be hybrid I think, because of fuel economy.
I’m going to need another car soon.
I won’t be buying anything made since the scamdemic started in ‘20.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Automakers are pushing back at the .gov EV requirements due to cost. Each carmaker makes their dealers do X and do Y to be able to honor .gov requirements to sell and service EV's. The dealers are either voting with pushback against the carmaker OR simply getting out of the business of selling that carmaker's products.

One carmaker recently told their dealers to "put up or shut up" regarding EV's. Pony up the infrastructure costs for EV upgrades at dealer level by X date or turn in your "seller card" by that date if you aren't. The fallout from this is, many smaller cities/markets that once had two car makes to choose from from this one carmaker's dealer now only have one make to choose from.

And for another carmaker, the dealers are/were required (as part of their dealership agreements; this carmaker modified the agreements in 2016 and essentially made the dealers sign them) to go through EV upgrades at dealer level. If the dealers don't honor their signed agreements, they're out of business for that carmaker. Period.

Here's what those dealers honoring their agreements had to do.

These upgrades involved 1-2 50KVA fast chargers per location (50K apiece in place ready to use) 4 or more 240V chargers (10K installed) per location and dedicated parking spaces where the chargers are located.

And that's just the customer facing areas.........For the shop areas add at least one more 50KV fast charger, 2 240v chargers. But wait, there's more! Each dealer is required to buy or lease a forklift able to shuffle battery packs around the shop. There's no "got a EV coming in, let's have a forklift rented for the day, then we'll send it back". Uh huh........contract states buy or "lease" a forklift. Since you can't necessarily call up a rental company for a forklift like having a pizza delivered, the dealers end up buying one. Oh, and it has to be minimum 10,000 pound capacity too. And they have to have a climate controlled seperate area from the shop floor in which to store vehicle battery packs. The "seperate area" clause in their contracts came after experience with a recent battery pack recall/fiasco.

Still not finished........this carmaker is requiring dealers to install at least one 12,000 pound capacity lift with 3 position lifting arms per shop (in a minimum 12' by 12' space shop bay) as well. (And I won't say the carmaker this is; I will say the lift, forklift and bay space requirements are specific to ONE current, very pricey and also slow selling EV vehicle the carmaker sells.) Only one-other times I'm sure the lift will work just dandy with the commercial vehicles every buyer screams for they may or may not be able to get from the carmaker. Otherwise all this infrastructure just takes up space and eats into overhead costs. What an attractive revenue prospect for the dealer......

And if those EV chargers go down and need service, expect a 6 month lead time for your service call to be answered. (and minimum 6 month lead time from ordering an EV charger to getting it delivered to the dealership. And then whatever time it takes to get the blessed thing hooked up......) Did I mention the EV chargers at least are produced in that bastion of free enterprise, the People's Republic of China? Another example of "fine" German engineering palmed off on the Chinese communists to build as cheaply and shoddily as possible. Then forced back on the long suffering American businessman.

Finally, all this "stuff" infrastructure the dealer has to purchase for EV sales? The products all have to be purchased from carmaker "approved" companies and it all has to be installed by carmaker "approved" vendors?

The end game is-the automakers are pushing back-hard-at the upcoming EV requirements. But those same automakers are hosing their dealers (and trickle down to the customers) with a 6 inch hose.
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
So AlfaMan - how much does it cost to bring something NON-EV into the country and could you even get it if you started today. It is obvious we are going to have to run cars like we ran whiskey.

How many cars can a car runner put on a submarine? Lord help us all. Those requirements are RIDICULOUS. Why not do it as a service bay for all dealers and be sure to put it on the outskirts of town so that when a forklift driver screws up, it’s not affecting the general populace? That’s one of the more stupid things I have heard of in a long time.

Thanks for the info. Now if there were only real journalists around to spread this information far and wide. It only takes half a brain to see it is not only dangerous, but puts everyone under control and bends us all over the barrel again. Communist at their finest.
 

Landcruiser

Contributing Member
The game changes with each administration and with each infusion of federal grant money. The research and development costs for EV technologies is horribly expensive. When the money stops or one part of this push fails we will see a shift in the narrative. It is extremely unlikely that we have all electric transportation in the 2030's when we haven't proven anything that will replace the common pickup today. This whole stunt works for city dwellers alone, and not well... and falls flat as soon as you have to haul food to the city from the country.

**F150 lightning and Rivian can't really be used as trucks with any real range without sacrificing the payload that trucks carry everyday.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So AlfaMan - how much does it cost to bring something NON-EV into the country and could you even get it if you started today. It is obvious we are going to have to run cars like we ran whiskey.

How many cars can a car runner put on a submarine? Lord help us all. Those requirements are RIDICULOUS. Why not do it as a service bay for all dealers and be sure to put it on the outskirts of town so that when a forklift driver screws up, it’s not affecting the general populace? That’s one of the more stupid things I have heard of in a long time.

Thanks for the info. Now if there were only real journalists around to spread this information far and wide. It only takes half a brain to see it is not only dangerous, but puts everyone under control and bends us all over the barrel again. Communist at their finest.
To bring a vehicle currently in production in another part of the world to the US in saleable, EPA and NHSTA compliant emissions/body/structure/tires/seatbelts/headlights/ride height/glass/brake configuration/necessary electronics for backup cameras, OBD2 compliance and lane avoidance systems condition (whew!) figure on at least a good legal team and $ 10 million dollars.

And no, that's not to bring the vehicle in ready to sell. That 10 million is just for the PAPERWORK filing to get the car importation process started. That money spent will just give the carmaker the okie dokie to start certifying the vehicle for sale-and that's one model of car, or car of a specific "family".

Which is why nearly all carmakers design a unibody structure that can be stretched and shrunk and widened and squished to make many different cars off that one structure. The "family" designation makes carmaking a whole lot cheaper.

And a prime example of platform sharing is the Volkswagen MQB platform. In the US it underpins the entire gas/diesel engined VW product line (including the Atlas SUV). Their electric ID garbage (ID4, sloppier built than a Tesla-and that's saying something!) and other EVs they sell are made off an offshoot of the MQB unibody .Same MQB platform underpins nearly every Audi model car/suv sold here (with the exception of the RS8 sports car and maybe the Q8 SUV). Same platform is used extensively among their other brands-
Per wikipedia here's the brands VW owns and the companies that use that platform.
The Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Audi, Bentley, Cupra, Jetta, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Škoda and Volkswagen brands, motorcycles under the Ducati name, light commercial vehicles under the Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles brand, and heavy commercial vehicles via the marques of listed subsidiary Traton (Navistar, MAN, Scania and Volkswagen Truck & Bus).
It cost VW 8 billion dollars (yes billion with a B) to develop the ONE MQB unibody platform that can allow their cars to run as parts of the same "family" for certification purposes.
But wait, there's more!

So now you got a common structure on which to build your vehicle with. Now you have to put body panels on it-engine, transmission, seats lights glass etc. If it's a vehicle being built already for other markets and you want to bring it for sale here; well, you're not building a vehicle for here-you're REbuilding it.............

Headlights ok for use in Europe/the EU are not DOT compliant for US sale. Gotta change them. The glass I guarantee in that car your'e building for Timbuktu market won't pass cert here. Oh God don't forget the seatbelts! Seatbelts sold in other cars in other parts of the world are like patent leather fashion belts compared to DOT standard belts. AND the seatbelt pretensioners sold there aren't compliant here; figure the airbags too. Tires and speed ratings for those tires need to be changed-vehicles here have minimum ride heights, which means the suspension AND the suspension geometry has to be changed for the US market. Which means different suspension bushings, different shock valving, and a truckload of testing to ensure your new for the US market vehicle isn't a hobby horse on US roads (remember the Suzuki Samurai/Jimny roll over issues? That's what happens when you don't get it right.)
Oh, the pedals have to be certain inches away from the others-remember the Audi unintended acceleration fiasco? Almost killed off Audi as a car brand here......Notice I haven't even scratched the surface with regards to vehicle structure, engines, emissions compliance, crash testing and analysis etc. I could write a book on all the things that would need to be changed to make a non US compliant vehicle compliant for US roads. That's one reason cars are so stupidly expensive these days.

On the low end of the scale, figure on 100-250 million dollars to bring that non US compliant vehicle into a vehicle that passes US regulations fully. On the first pass-which never happens. Cars have to be designed and tweaked and retweaked again and again to get them through DOT/NHSTA testing so they can be sold here. Figure on at least 3 tries to get the car to pass.

An example of a car "ready to sell" here.........The VW Beetle was supposed to be introduced into the US market in the 1996 model year. The front end of the vehicle had to literally be redesigned from scratch in order for it to pass DOT crash testing here. Delayed introduction of the car here by at least a year, and new production tooling had to be designed and installed in the Puebla, Mexico plant where it was made.

If you have older vehicles, lay in a supply of glue to glue the wheels back on after you've run the wheels off them...........
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
To bring a vehicle currently in production in another part of the world to the US in saleable, EPA and NHSTA compliant emissions/body/structure/tires/seatbelts/headlights/ride height/glass/brake configuration/necessary electronics for backup cameras, OBD2 compliance and lane avoidance systems condition (whew!) figure on at least a good legal team and $ 10 million dollars.

And no, that's not to bring the vehicle in ready to sell. That 10 million is just for the PAPERWORK filing to get the car importation process started. That money spent will just give the carmaker the okie dokie to start certifying the vehicle for sale-and that's one model of car, or car of a specific "family".

Which is why nearly all carmakers design a unibody structure that can be stretched and shrunk and widened and squished to make many different cars off that one structure. The "family" designation makes carmaking a whole lot cheaper.

And a prime example of platform sharing is the Volkswagen MQB platform. In the US it underpins the entire gas/diesel engined VW product line (including the Atlas SUV). Their electric ID garbage (ID4, sloppier built than a Tesla-and that's saying something!) and other EVs they sell are made off an offshoot of the MQB unibody .Same MQB platform underpins nearly every Audi model car/suv sold here (with the exception of the RS8 sports car and maybe the Q8 SUV). Same platform is used extensively among their other brands-
Per wikipedia here's the brands VW owns and the companies that use that platform.
The Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Audi, Bentley, Cupra, Jetta, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, Škoda and Volkswagen brands, motorcycles under the Ducati name, light commercial vehicles under the Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles brand, and heavy commercial vehicles via the marques of listed subsidiary Traton (Navistar, MAN, Scania and Volkswagen Truck & Bus).
It cost VW 8 billion dollars (yes billion with a B) to develop the ONE MQB unibody platform that can allow their cars to run as parts of the same "family" for certification purposes.
But wait, there's more!

So now you got a common structure on which to build your vehicle with. Now you have to put body panels on it-engine, transmission, seats lights glass etc. If it's a vehicle being built already for other markets and you want to bring it for sale here; well, you're not building a vehicle for here-you're REbuilding it.............

Headlights ok for use in Europe/the EU are not DOT compliant for US sale. Gotta change them. The glass I guarantee in that car your'e building for Timbuktu market won't pass cert here. Oh God don't forget the seatbelts! Seatbelts sold in other cars in other parts of the world are like patent leather fashion belts compared to DOT standard belts. AND the seatbelt pretensioners sold there aren't compliant here; figure the airbags too. Tires and speed ratings for those tires need to be changed-vehicles here have minimum ride heights, which means the suspension AND the suspension geometry has to be changed for the US market. Which means different suspension bushings, different shock valving, and a truckload of testing to ensure your new for the US market vehicle isn't a hobby horse on US roads (remember the Suzuki Samurai/Jimny roll over issues? That's what happens when you don't get it right.)
Oh, the pedals have to be certain inches away from the others-remember the Audi unintended acceleration fiasco? Almost killed off Audi as a car brand here......Notice I haven't even scratched the surface with regards to vehicle structure, engines, emissions compliance, crash testing and analysis etc. I could write a book on all the things that would need to be changed to make a non US compliant vehicle compliant for US roads. That's one reason cars are so stupidly expensive these days.

On the low end of the scale, figure on 100-250 million dollars to bring that non US compliant vehicle into a vehicle that passes US regulations fully. On the first pass-which never happens. Cars have to be designed and tweaked and retweaked again and again to get them through DOT/NHSTA testing so they can be sold here. Figure on at least 3 tries to get the car to pass.

An example of a car "ready to sell" here.........The VW Beetle was supposed to be introduced into the US market in the 1996 model year. The front end of the vehicle had to literally be redesigned from scratch in order for it to pass DOT crash testing here. Delayed introduction of the car here by at least a year, and new production tooling had to be designed and installed in the Puebla, Mexico plant where it was made.

If you have older vehicles, lay in a supply of glue to glue the wheels back on after you've run the wheels off them...........
No, no, no. We’re not bringing them in lawfully. We are CAR RUNNING. BOOTLEGGING CARS!

Alas, it would take 40 seconds to find out who you are. Of course, there might be some cartel willing to go in on it all. But, I’m imagine if you put your thinking cap on you could figure out a way to do it. But you’d have to be slicker than owl poop not to be caught before you made enough funds for legal defense.

Otherwise, interesting information. Really amazing that ANYTHING at all gets anymore with all the red tape.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
No, no, no. We’re not bringing them in lawfully. We are CAR RUNNING. BOOTLEGGING CARS!

Alas, it would take 40 seconds to find out who you are. Of course, there might be some cartel willing to go in on it all. But, I’m imagine if you put your thinking cap on you could figure out a way to do it. But you’d have to be slicker than owl poop not to be caught before you made enough funds for legal defense.

Otherwise, interesting information. Really amazing that ANYTHING at all gets anymore with all the red tape.
Oh, I misunderstood.........

Bootlegging cars for personal use? Easy. Ship it in and slap a dealer plate on it. Either you can own a car dealer yourself OR take a peek on Craigslist. Dealers sometimes "offer" their spare dealer plates to individuals on there, complete with (required) commercial insurance attached to the plate (therefore blanket coveraging any car that plate is on) for X number of dollars per month.
Going rate for a DC dealer plate like that is around $ 700 a month. But with it you could bring anything in and drive it, legally, on US roads. Couldn't resell it though.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The game changes with each administration and with each infusion of federal grant money. The research and development costs for EV technologies is horribly expensive. When the money stops or one part of this push fails we will see a shift in the narrative. It is extremely unlikely that we have all electric transportation in the 2030's when we haven't proven anything that will replace the common pickup today. This whole stunt works for city dwellers alone, and not well... and falls flat as soon as you have to haul food to the city from the country.

**F150 lightning and Rivian can't really be used as trucks with any real range without sacrificing the payload that trucks carry everyday.
Both the Lightning and Rivian are "gentleman Jim" trucks. Perfect for the urban homeowner that makes trips to home depot, moves the occasional kid or neighbor locally and wants to secure his "man card" because he owns a truck.
Perfect in that environment, utterly lousy in any instance where you actually need a truck to haul or tow.

Although I will say the Lightning is one seriously FUN !!!!!! Truck to drive. It is one seriously FAST truck. The Rivian is a millenial yuppie interpretation of a pickup truck. Think "serious but sensitive" in the Rivian's instance. Hilarious (although the Rivian SUV looks pretty sharp. Good build quality on both too.)
For some reason, every time I see a Rivian pickup on the road it reminds me of seeing a Studebaker car from the '40s .
 

Old Greek

Veteran Member
Both the Lightning and Rivian are "gentleman Jim" trucks. Perfect for the urban homeowner that makes trips to home depot, moves the occasional kid or neighbor locally and wants to secure his "man card" because he owns a truck.
Perfect in that environment, utterly lousy in any instance where you actually need a truck to haul or tow.

Although I will say the Lightning is one seriously FUN !!!!!! Truck to drive. It is one seriously FAST truck. The Rivian is a millenial yuppie interpretation of a pickup truck. Think "serious but sensitive" in the Rivian's instance. Hilarious (although the Rivian SUV looks pretty sharp. Good build quality on both too.)
For some reason, every time I see a Rivian pickup on the road it reminds me of seeing a Studebaker car from the '40s .
I would rather have the Studebaker - especially the Champ pickup! :p
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Austin Tesla employees say notification of layoff came in overnight email

Some employees at the Tesla Gigafactory found out Monday they no longer have a job. The company announced mass layoffs.

 

Donner9x

Thread Killer :-)
Personally I think sticking with Fossil fuel is the way to go for now, however if forced to choose for a realistic positive effect on emissions, I would go with Hydrogen-fueled vehicles. Toyota is currently working on a prototype and it sounds very promising. According to what Toyota is reporting, basically zero emissions save some water vapor, refueling time is comparable to current gas powered vehicles (3-4 minutes), as well as distance between refueling (300 miles or better). It's not a completely rosy picture, I guess Hydrogen is more volatile than gasoline, and some other minor issues to work through, but they say all sticking points are very manageable. At least if they can get it to the point that it is viable and economical, and it's rejected by the guberment, then you could say that's proof that reduction of global emissions are not their real objective. Guess we'll see.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
This is a big deal. Demand has completely tanked for the Tesla product. I've watched some YouTube videos of the Tesla truck vs. Subaru and others, and simply underperforming. Here in Slugtown everyone seems to have one but will the resale value be when you know that the used car you bought is going to need a new battery that's going to cost you $25k in the near future. You can't sell them on the used car market. I bought used car with 105k on it 6 months ago and finally got a notification that I need an oil change-I've only driven 2k on it so far.

Imagine buying a Tesla for $20k used and getting the message that it needs a new battery that will cost $25k!

I notice the brushed metal on the cyber trucks and it reminds me of a De Lorean. And the olders of us remembered how that turned out.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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I would guess that Tesla has some very bad first quarter news coming out soon and needs to toss aside some employees to make it look like management is "doing something" to appease Wall Street.

Getting a sense that this round of layoffs may have been rather rushed and was rather ill considered as to it's impact.

Fair Use Cited.
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Tesla layoffs hit high performers, some departments slashed, sources say

'I lost 20% of my team, some really good players too'

Rebecca Bellan, Sean O'Kane/ 7:35 AM CDT•April 16, 2024

Tesla management told employees Monday that the recent layoffs — which gutted some departments by 20% and even hit high performers — were largely due to poor financial performance, a source familiar with the matter told TechCrunch.

The layoffs were announced to staff just a week before Tesla is scheduled to report its first-quarter earnings. The move comes as Tesla has seen its profit margin narrow over the past several quarters, the result of an EV price war that has persisted for at least a year. The company delivered a record 1.81 million vehicles in 2023. Its margins, however, took a hit after Tesla repeatedly slashed prices in a bid to drum up sales and undercut the competition.

Tesla informed employees that more than 10%, or about 14,000 workers, will be laid off across the global organization that has operations in the United States, Europe and China. In a regulatory filing, Tesla referred to the l layoffs as a “company-wide restructuring.” The layoffs, which affected employees across all departments and seniority levels, were made to reduce costs and increase productivity to prepare for its “next phase of growth,” according to an internal email from CEO Elon Musk that TechCrunch has viewed.

High performers also cut

Many of the laid-off employees were high performers, according to two sources who spoke to TechCrunch on condition of anonymity. One source expressed shock at the number of talented employees cut and noted that many of those affected were working on projects that have fallen lower on Tesla’s priority list. The source declined to specify which projects.

Some departments saw layoffs beyond the 10% outlined in the companywide email, according to sources. One manager told TechCrunch that 20% of their employees were cut.

“I lost 20% of my team, some really good players too,” they said.

The shakeup also comes as Musk continues to bend the company’s trajectory toward building fully self-driving cars. Tesla recently dropped plans to build a lower-cost EV that would retail starting at around $25,000, opting instead to use the underlying platform being developed to power an alleged robotaxi that Musk said will debut August 8.

Musk previously tried to prioritize the dedicated robotaxi vehicle project, according to his biographer, Walter Isaacson. In 2022, he told employees that he wanted a “clean robotaxi” with no steering wheel or pedals. Tesla lead designer Franz von Holzhausen and engineering VP Lars Moravy kept running the low-cost EV project in secret and eventually convinced him to make both — that is, until last week when it was reported that Musk changed his mind.

Top execs leave

Two high-profile executives — Drew Baglino, Tesla’s SVP of Powertrain and Energy, and Rohan Patel, VP of Public Policy and Business Development — also left the company.

Patel told TechCrunch he decided Sunday evening to leave Tesla because of “ig overall changes” at the company. Patel, who had been engaging regularly with Tesla customers and fans on X in recent months, declined to be specific. He noted in a message that it would be “Better for me not to speculate.” “Tesla is going to be stronger than ever, and change is good,” he added.

Baglino told TechCrunch that after 18 years it was time to leave Tesla. “I feel good about the impact I’ve been able to achieve, my leadership team is strong, the energy businesses I’m responsible for are doing well, etc.,” he wrote in a message to TechCrunch.

“Baglino was in charge of powerdrives and new battery projects, and there’s a sense that there isn’t a whole lot of innovation that’s sustainable at this point, which is probably why Baglino is leaving,” Sandeep Rao, head of research at London-based financial services company Leverage Shares, theorized in an interview with TechCrunch.

Baglino’s departure comes just a few months after Tesla’s previous CFO, Zachary Kirkhorn, stepped down. In January, Musk posted on X, formerly Twitter, that he would want to have around 25% voting control of Tesla in order to focus more fully on the company, rather than on his other companies, and help the EV-maker become a leader in AI and robotics.

 
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