Shooter
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ATF agent didnt think he had to follow police orders, LOL, lets see how that went!
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CRIME ATF agent tazed and handcuffed,
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Henry Bowman
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Should have shot his friggin dog too LOL.
Gotta love when the JBT turn on each other.
Gotta love when the JBT turn on each other.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Amen brother...they are not your friends.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
Oops....
hunybee
Veteran Member
the arrogance....
he says he is a federal agent. oh! well then, since you are telling me and not showing me anything that would back that up, i will just lower my weapon and trust you. smh. if you are a federal agent, then just show the man your id. if he is what he says he is, then he know the drill very well.
he says he is a federal agent. oh! well then, since you are telling me and not showing me anything that would back that up, i will just lower my weapon and trust you. smh. if you are a federal agent, then just show the man your id. if he is what he says he is, then he know the drill very well.
Feel-good story of the day.
irked77
Contributing Member
He was never given a chance to show his ID. the local cops acted like gestapo thugs...
I disagree. The cop says that they got a call about someone impersonating an officer. Cops come upon every event “cold.” They have no idea who the bad guy might be or what the real story is. That being said, they announce to this guy and he claims to be a cop. Based on the call, he sounds like the perp. They order him to the ground, but he reaches for his pants.
Afterward, they treated him a bit roughly, but I’m betting that there’s no love lost between local cops and feds.
Afterward, they treated him a bit roughly, but I’m betting that there’s no love lost between local cops and feds.
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Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
BadMedicine
Would *I* Lie???
while I do like to see the shoe on the other foot, this is an egregious over reaction BY THE COP that IMO is illegal and why most J6P hate thejackboot thugs.
It is not a "lawful order" for a cop to demand, AT GUNPOINT that you get on the ground.
Cops don't seem to understand this, but they are not DETECTIVES. They do not get to go FISHING. If they SEE or SUSPECT you of a crime... ONLY F*CKING THEN does anything they say or do towards you become "lawful order."
This guy was serving a warrant/ looking for someone/ exercising his lawful rights (duties) and this cop showed up and said "some lady said you were out here knocking on doors without credentials".... ok, thats one whackjobs statement (and can you imagine her joy out the window?) ...
I've been apprehended with no probable cause in public parkinglots and been searched and roughed.... without probably cause that is ARMED ASSAULT.
They are not our governors or hall monitors. they are there when there is VISIBLE ACTIVE CRIME.... to go on fishing expeditions usually ends up with them "assaulting with a deadly weapon" and that's just a precarious position to let your everyday life-job be.... If the fed had just walked laterally to some cover and drawn his gun... something he'd have had every right to do, that hothead POS LEO woulda had a REAL situation on his hands... he'd have had to use his words a little more efficiently and learned things about learning things you don't know.
If I was that fed I'd have had a hard time acquiescing. When I'm in the right 'kneel' and "surrender' just isn't something I'll be doing.
I'd also be sending the two cops who F*ed up Bday cards TO THEIR OFFICE, WITH BALLOONS AND FLOWERS with a BIG (Think sweepstakes checks BIG) B-day card congratulating them on ANOTHER year alive after you declined to lawfully take their lives in self defense. That'll F 'em.
It is not a "lawful order" for a cop to demand, AT GUNPOINT that you get on the ground.
Cops don't seem to understand this, but they are not DETECTIVES. They do not get to go FISHING. If they SEE or SUSPECT you of a crime... ONLY F*CKING THEN does anything they say or do towards you become "lawful order."
This guy was serving a warrant/ looking for someone/ exercising his lawful rights (duties) and this cop showed up and said "some lady said you were out here knocking on doors without credentials".... ok, thats one whackjobs statement (and can you imagine her joy out the window?) ...
I've been apprehended with no probable cause in public parkinglots and been searched and roughed.... without probably cause that is ARMED ASSAULT.
They are not our governors or hall monitors. they are there when there is VISIBLE ACTIVE CRIME.... to go on fishing expeditions usually ends up with them "assaulting with a deadly weapon" and that's just a precarious position to let your everyday life-job be.... If the fed had just walked laterally to some cover and drawn his gun... something he'd have had every right to do, that hothead POS LEO woulda had a REAL situation on his hands... he'd have had to use his words a little more efficiently and learned things about learning things you don't know.
If I was that fed I'd have had a hard time acquiescing. When I'm in the right 'kneel' and "surrender' just isn't something I'll be doing.
I'd also be sending the two cops who F*ed up Bday cards TO THEIR OFFICE, WITH BALLOONS AND FLOWERS with a BIG (Think sweepstakes checks BIG) B-day card congratulating them on ANOTHER year alive after you declined to lawfully take their lives in self defense. That'll F 'em.
hunybee
Veteran Member
he could have, but he did not follow anything right from the start. he thought him saying that he was a federal agent was enough and that he should be able to do what he wanted. he thought the rules didn't apply to him. he refused to get on the ground repeatedly. when the other cop came, then he got on the ground but still was arguing and fighting. eventually, he started telling them that his id was in his pocket. if he is a federal agent, he knows how this works. if he is expecting others to follow those commands (and he knows the reason for it) then he should have just said, "absolutely, officer. i am a federal agent. my id is in my left front pocket. i will keep my hands in the air (or get on the ground) and comply until the other officer gets here. then you can check with my supervisor and we can clear up this misunderstanding."
but he didn't. he was arrogant. he refused and then he started trying to use all the tricks in the book that they make fun of "perps" for doing. at any time, he could have stated his name, his badge number, his supervisor and office that he works out of, etc all in a calm manner
i thought they were a little bit rough, but then again, he was fighting them with the cuffs. they said at the end that he was really strong. the original call was about someone possibly impersonating an officer and maybe armed. what else would the cops do? afterwards, the woman who made the call says that he had been trying to force his way into the house.
i think there are multiple lessons for everyone in this video.
IIRC, at the very beginning, the cop tells the agent that he blew his chance to show his ID.
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
Maybe the cop owned a bump stock.
glfw1bldegl
Inactive
Amazing how he refused commands. What the hell are these clowns thinking when they pull shit like this?
Nobody is above the law.
Nobody is above the law.
Ku Commando
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SquonkHunter
Geezer (ret.)
I remember hearing G. Gordon Liddy say that people joined the ATF because the FBI wouldn't take them. 
mistaken1
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And lives.
BadMedicine
Would *I* Lie???
It wasn't a lawful command until the officer SAW OR HAD REASON TO SUSPECT HE COMMITTED A CRIME. The "witness" (anonymous call in... second hand testimony) CLAIMED one thing... officer shows up to look around.. there is ZERO THREAT FROM WELL DRESSED MAN WHO CLAIMS to be a FED OFFICER. OK, now we have TWO WITNESSES. What did the officer witness..? NOTHING. What probable cause does he have? NONE!! Now if when approaching the guy he pulled a GUN, THEN it would have got dicey.. BUT THE OFFICER PULLED AND THREATENED WITH HIS GUN FIRST.. the fed had every right to shoot him if he got the drop on him. I'm not kidding! HE was being ASSAULTED... not the other way around. HE WAS HAVING HIS RIGHTS STRIPPED, arbitrarily, at gun point. You CANNOT pull guns on people about a hunch or suspicion,. YOU MUST HAVE WITNESSED A CRIME OR HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE ONE WAS COMMITTED......
Cops ABUSE THIS all of the time, but that does NOT make it legal. You have a RIGHT to Identify yourself when asked, there is no "GET ON THE ****ING GROUND OR I'LL SHOOT YA... UNTIL I FIND OUT WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON AROUND HERE!!!'
F*CK YOU! This is still amaerica, drawing a gun on someone without them being a threa, without you witnessing a crime, THEREFOR NOT UNDER YOUR PURVIEW is a dangerous and deadly assault and should be treated as one. This guy should have flanked... "shoot me with my hands up you twitchy coward bastard." and gone for cover... or turned and ran.. shoot me in the back you gestapo SOB.
Can't believe all the bootlickers yelling submit... jesus christ on the corss, now we dont even get to SHOW OUR F*CKING PAPERS?!?
Cut this part to move to the bottom because it was detracting from the point above!
...........Now this bitch who called the cops on a fed... she DAMN WELL BETTER HAVE REMEMBERED THE PART ABOUT HIM IDENTIFYING HIMSELF AS AN AGENT when she called the cops... otherwise SHE FILED A FALSE REPORT..
AND THAT INFO DAMN WELL HAD BETTER BEEN RELAYED TO THE LEO.
and if it was, HE DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE TAKEN IT INTO FURTHER ACCOUTN THAN HE DID... but he didn't... and then he broke a bunch of laws. Arrest have to be done in order, or it's a bunch of civil rights abuses. he failed to start at the top, and luckily it worked out for him...
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glfw1bldegl
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The Fed was an ass and acted like an ass. That is why he was treated the way he was. He continued to be an ass from the back of the car as well. His behavior should have his mental ability to do the job questioned. There is clearly something wrong with him.
I lick nobody's boots and have survived every encounter I have had with the police because I don't act like a dick like the Fed guy did. He had zero reason to act the way he was acting if he was a legit Fed. His behavior escalated the encounter. Probable cause was established by the phone call. They thought he was impersonating a police officer and that is a crime if he is. Therefore the cop had every right to be there, question, him, and demand to see his papers. The call said he was impersonating a police officer. The woman that called was probably treated the same way he treated the cop. He was an ass to her as well I bet.
The lady was freaking out because she obviously didn't believe he was a cop. After watching the video, I don't believe he's a Fed either. He was a complete dick and was treated as such. The DEA needs to reconsider if he should remain on the job.
Using common sense is not boot licking. Anybody that refuses to use common sense, will get treated the same.
I lick nobody's boots and have survived every encounter I have had with the police because I don't act like a dick like the Fed guy did. He had zero reason to act the way he was acting if he was a legit Fed. His behavior escalated the encounter. Probable cause was established by the phone call. They thought he was impersonating a police officer and that is a crime if he is. Therefore the cop had every right to be there, question, him, and demand to see his papers. The call said he was impersonating a police officer. The woman that called was probably treated the same way he treated the cop. He was an ass to her as well I bet.
The lady was freaking out because she obviously didn't believe he was a cop. After watching the video, I don't believe he's a Fed either. He was a complete dick and was treated as such. The DEA needs to reconsider if he should remain on the job.
Using common sense is not boot licking. Anybody that refuses to use common sense, will get treated the same.
glfw1bldegl
Inactive
"Agent Burk - who in 2015 was charged with shoplifting wine from a Kroger grocery story - is now suing the officers for excessive force. "
Hmmmm...... Agent Burk really has some serious issues. I believe entitlement, because he's a cop, is part of his problem.
Hmmmm...... Agent Burk really has some serious issues. I believe entitlement, because he's a cop, is part of his problem.
glfw1bldegl
Inactive
My position on the police is that every time I interacted with them, it was because I did something wrong. The few times I was arrested, it was because I did something wrong.
I have not had any interaction with the police since 2002. I stopped breaking the law, and they leave me the **** alone.
Lone_Hawk
Resident Spook
I interact with the ATF fairly often. Most of the folks I work with treat me as I treat them, with respect. But there is always the asshole available. Just like any group of people.
In this particular incident, the cop was responding to someone impersonating an officer. The cop told him that at the very beginning. He should have followed commands and nothing bad would have happened.
Rough? He's a Pussy. "I got a MEDICAL condition! I can't BREATHE!"
He sounded like every two-bit criminal one runs upon. If he'd have STFU and talked, got his ID confirmed there'd been no issue.
Instead he starts screaming REEEEEeeeee! like and SJW.
bassaholic
Veteran Member
This is the whole key to the story.
If it was not for this the cop would be in the wrong.
bassaholic
Veteran Member
It sounded like he even said "My wife is pregnant" at 2:18
SpokaneMan
Veteran Member
I love it when Statists eat their own. The ATF guy? LOL. What a douchebag.
I didn't know that the ATF hires people with breathing problems. LOL.
I didn't know that the ATF hires people with breathing problems. LOL.
I think that only works for blacks...
BadMedicine
Would *I* Lie???
ok, lets turn the tables. *IF* the ATF would have flanked to a position of cover, drew his weapon, and engaged gun battle...
What crime did he commit?
He was performing a lawful duty.
For his employer, the US GOVERNMENT.
He was given a gun, for protection during those duties. BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
He was NOT REQUIRED TO WEAR A UNIFORM< OR DISPALY A BADGE TO ANYONE who is not either being questioned/ under his purview.. or WHOMS PURVIEW HE's UNDER. Cops can't just pull a gun and demand you surrender your rights.
He was assaulted with a deadly weapon, forced to surrender for fear of death or grave bodily harm,
KIDNAPPED, disarmed, talked a bunch of rude shit to, all because his EMPLOYER... THE US GOVERNMENT had unfinished business with one of its citizens.
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So let's just role play this. WHo had governing authority? I'm guessing the Fed overrides any civil infraction-enforcing mall cop tax collector status. ATF guy lets himself get disarmed... what a joke. I WOULD like to hear the follow up. If I was the ATF guy I'd bve having PTSD, work related mental break, nightmares, the whole gauntlet of "lifelong medical conditions and inability to work in hostile environment" type shit. I'd also be using my company, .FED lawyers to rape this podunk department for my kids college while attempting to sue the shit out of the two officers for violating civil rights. WIth the force of a .fed agency behind you, unlimited dollars, might be a bit easier than a private citizen....
Who here if they were a FEDERAL OFFICER, PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES... ON THE CLOCK... literally, this clown just pulled a gun on THE US MFin GOVT....
who here surrenders to this dumbass shaking plebe and HOPES he doesn't shoot/ taze/ beat him anyway?
not me.
What crime did he commit?
He was performing a lawful duty.
For his employer, the US GOVERNMENT.
He was given a gun, for protection during those duties. BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
He was NOT REQUIRED TO WEAR A UNIFORM< OR DISPALY A BADGE TO ANYONE who is not either being questioned/ under his purview.. or WHOMS PURVIEW HE's UNDER. Cops can't just pull a gun and demand you surrender your rights.
He was assaulted with a deadly weapon, forced to surrender for fear of death or grave bodily harm,
KIDNAPPED, disarmed, talked a bunch of rude shit to, all because his EMPLOYER... THE US GOVERNMENT had unfinished business with one of its citizens.
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So let's just role play this. WHo had governing authority? I'm guessing the Fed overrides any civil infraction-enforcing mall cop tax collector status. ATF guy lets himself get disarmed... what a joke. I WOULD like to hear the follow up. If I was the ATF guy I'd bve having PTSD, work related mental break, nightmares, the whole gauntlet of "lifelong medical conditions and inability to work in hostile environment" type shit. I'd also be using my company, .FED lawyers to rape this podunk department for my kids college while attempting to sue the shit out of the two officers for violating civil rights. WIth the force of a .fed agency behind you, unlimited dollars, might be a bit easier than a private citizen....
Who here if they were a FEDERAL OFFICER, PERFORMING YOUR DUTIES... ON THE CLOCK... literally, this clown just pulled a gun on THE US MFin GOVT....
who here surrenders to this dumbass shaking plebe and HOPES he doesn't shoot/ taze/ beat him anyway?
not me.
Sorry, but overriding jurisdiction goes to the PD servicing an emergency call.
The alleged agent was in civilian clothes with no ID in view
The call the PD was responding to was “man impersonating a police officer”
Upon approach, the man says he’s an agent
That fits the profile of the call
When challenged, he started reaching for a pocket. The responding cop was alone at that time
Cops have to get the scene under control before investigating
The police have to investigate EVERY CALL. They cannot, indeed DARE not, “assume” anything. Hell, you or I could be on that sidewalk and say we were cops. Does saying something make it true? If so, I am the king of the world.
Take your cop-hate someplace else man.
The alleged agent was in civilian clothes with no ID in view
The call the PD was responding to was “man impersonating a police officer”
Upon approach, the man says he’s an agent
That fits the profile of the call
When challenged, he started reaching for a pocket. The responding cop was alone at that time
Cops have to get the scene under control before investigating
The police have to investigate EVERY CALL. They cannot, indeed DARE not, “assume” anything. Hell, you or I could be on that sidewalk and say we were cops. Does saying something make it true? If so, I am the king of the world.
Take your cop-hate someplace else man.
BadMedicine
Would *I* Lie???
No cop hating here! I am a ROL guy ALL THE WAY. For EVERYBODY. Kinda like free speech-works both ways. The law is the law.
You may not remember, but I feel obliged to point out, for the record, that on the last two major cop shooting kerfluffles I sided with the cop on shooting the running guy in the back. that was a GOOD SHOOT. even though the trial saw otherwise. In the philando castile (?) case where the cop shot the concealed weapons holder cafeteria worker who was complying.. I sided with the victim... though the court saw otherwise. So you can't just say I'm bashing cops...especially in the one that I'm siding with the fed batf*cker.
The guy shot in the back was marred by the video evidence of LEO moving the taser.. and earlier saying "he got my taser" when in the heat of the fight he had actually just 'got it away' and not in possession.. but givin the lead up to the circumstances, the long running battle, the stripping of all other remedies, at the time that cop shot the fleeing man in the back he was 100% within his moral and ethical duty we employed him to do.
However, MANY times I see cops shortcut the F* out of civil rights, for expediency and THEIR 'safety' which they volunteered for, and often voluntarily interjected into PRIVATE CIVILIANS lives, BY FORCE without having seen a CRIME or being able to articulate their suspicions about what crime may be going on, other than hunchs or suspicions...
Fine that it's training to "secure the scene" as long as you do it lawfully. Training does not trump rights.
The evidence breaks down like this.
Call- Suspicion by private person, relayed through dispatch, police sent to gather first hand evidence.
Guy "says" he's atf.... Now the cop has his FIRST FIRST HAND WITNESS... not an anonymous call... guy poses no threat, politely walks towards officer...IF the guy tries to not identify, THEN the guy may be 'detained" for questioning, ei not free to go since NOW he has said he is LEO and is attempting to LEO on citizens, so if he can't identify, though he is there in official capacity, thus MUST identify, NOW the COP has reason to detain/arrest him, and pull his gun, IF HE IS BEING THREATENED OR HAS REASON TO BELIEVE to facilitate the arrest/ his safety.
We don't know what the caller said to the dispatch said to the cop, and therein lies the crux, but if she said he's claiming to be batf* and that all got passed on, this is egregious and intentional as a MFer..
You can't come walking up to a car and point a gun at someone and scream "GIVE ME YOUR ****ING ID. GET OUT OF THE CAR. GET ON THE F*CKING GROUND, ID NOW!!" That is unlawful. No probably cause, no reason to point guns. The gun is to protect THEMSELVES, WHEN THREATENED....for taking on this dangerous task.(Thank you for your service, constitutional law-abiding Leos of the world!) it's not for shooting or threatening to shoot people for not complying.
No cop hating here, like I said, I took the side of the batf* Fed agent, But the fact is, one person was assaulted here, many times and in many ways, while doing his job. Happens to be a fed job entrusted to carry a gun to enforce. To protect himself. This coulda ended differently, and it might have lead to a change in training if it took something as wild as a leo-leo shootout to realize "Hey, we're trampling on everyones rights, EVERYTIME." You can't just pull guns on people. Lacking witnessed probably cause(no, a phone call does not), and therefor jurisdiction...bad policy. bad policy.
You may not remember, but I feel obliged to point out, for the record, that on the last two major cop shooting kerfluffles I sided with the cop on shooting the running guy in the back. that was a GOOD SHOOT. even though the trial saw otherwise. In the philando castile (?) case where the cop shot the concealed weapons holder cafeteria worker who was complying.. I sided with the victim... though the court saw otherwise. So you can't just say I'm bashing cops...especially in the one that I'm siding with the fed batf*cker.
The guy shot in the back was marred by the video evidence of LEO moving the taser.. and earlier saying "he got my taser" when in the heat of the fight he had actually just 'got it away' and not in possession.. but givin the lead up to the circumstances, the long running battle, the stripping of all other remedies, at the time that cop shot the fleeing man in the back he was 100% within his moral and ethical duty we employed him to do.
However, MANY times I see cops shortcut the F* out of civil rights, for expediency and THEIR 'safety' which they volunteered for, and often voluntarily interjected into PRIVATE CIVILIANS lives, BY FORCE without having seen a CRIME or being able to articulate their suspicions about what crime may be going on, other than hunchs or suspicions...
Fine that it's training to "secure the scene" as long as you do it lawfully. Training does not trump rights.
The evidence breaks down like this.
Call- Suspicion by private person, relayed through dispatch, police sent to gather first hand evidence.
Guy "says" he's atf.... Now the cop has his FIRST FIRST HAND WITNESS... not an anonymous call... guy poses no threat, politely walks towards officer...IF the guy tries to not identify, THEN the guy may be 'detained" for questioning, ei not free to go since NOW he has said he is LEO and is attempting to LEO on citizens, so if he can't identify, though he is there in official capacity, thus MUST identify, NOW the COP has reason to detain/arrest him, and pull his gun, IF HE IS BEING THREATENED OR HAS REASON TO BELIEVE to facilitate the arrest/ his safety.
We don't know what the caller said to the dispatch said to the cop, and therein lies the crux, but if she said he's claiming to be batf* and that all got passed on, this is egregious and intentional as a MFer..
You can't come walking up to a car and point a gun at someone and scream "GIVE ME YOUR ****ING ID. GET OUT OF THE CAR. GET ON THE F*CKING GROUND, ID NOW!!" That is unlawful. No probably cause, no reason to point guns. The gun is to protect THEMSELVES, WHEN THREATENED....for taking on this dangerous task.(Thank you for your service, constitutional law-abiding Leos of the world!) it's not for shooting or threatening to shoot people for not complying.
No cop hating here, like I said, I took the side of the batf* Fed agent, But the fact is, one person was assaulted here, many times and in many ways, while doing his job. Happens to be a fed job entrusted to carry a gun to enforce. To protect himself. This coulda ended differently, and it might have lead to a change in training if it took something as wild as a leo-leo shootout to realize "Hey, we're trampling on everyones rights, EVERYTIME." You can't just pull guns on people. Lacking witnessed probably cause(no, a phone call does not), and therefor jurisdiction...bad policy. bad policy.