Just a quickie poll.
GUNS/RLTD Are you still looking for ammo?
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Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
NO!
I don't need any more ammo, no place to stack it.. but I can't stop buying it.
I don't need any more ammo, no place to stack it.. but I can't stop buying it.
You can ship your overflow to me!
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
I think most train traffic in the US is East-West, not much goes straight South....
Same-same
nomifyle
TB Fanatic
yes, no, maybe. If I find a better deal than the one DH bought I'd consider it. Most of my money has already gone to food. I was in the grocery store today and was wondering how the hell I was going to pay for what I had, I had cash for half, the other half went on a card. I can't do that very often.
God is good all the time
Judy
God is good all the time
Judy
Mtsilverback
Veteran Member
With multiple calibers to feed and focus on spending elsewhere, there is some I could use. Fortunately, I do have Mr reloader on hand.
Brass Scrounger
Contributing Member
Not really looking for ammo - looking for components to roll my own.
modernbeat
Dallas, TX
I have enough for the pistols and rifles that matter, and enough for a recreational rifle, but not enough for rifle type #2 and none for new rifle type #3.
sjhenderson
Senior Member
I have way more than I expect my wife and I will need, but yes if I can get it at a fair price still looking and buying.
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
Need a 'maybe' on the poll. I probably have more than I really need, but if I found some for my rifle, I'd buy it.
Kathleen
Kathleen
desertvet2
Veteran Member
If you had bought and stored ten pallets back in oh say the late nineties on...you would be sitting like king midas here in about three weeks.
Zahowey
Senior Member
Cheaper to ship to me in Kansas instead of all the way to Texas.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
I voted "bite me 
" , because there's no such thing as enough ammo, but sometimes there has to be enough ammo for now, and I'm right between those two points.
" , because there's no such thing as enough ammo, but sometimes there has to be enough ammo for now, and I'm right between those two points.
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wasn't sure how to vote.
On the one hand, we're pretty well set. So no on that.
However, as we want to remain proficient and do, do some shooting, then yes we are looking to replace.
Found out a week ago, local gun store as all you want in 5 box increments of any caliber. .223's are in ammo boxes.
And eyes are always open for hard to find items. Wish I'd checked for primers, but was salivating so bad over ALL THE AMMO, bought a box of 9MM, that I forgot.
Told my wife before I walked in "Ice for Blood". And then they had ammo galore, fill a tub up and jump in galore. Swimming yeah, do the back stroke, yeah..... Ok, ok, we have enough for now.
On the one hand, we're pretty well set. So no on that.
However, as we want to remain proficient and do, do some shooting, then yes we are looking to replace.
Found out a week ago, local gun store as all you want in 5 box increments of any caliber. .223's are in ammo boxes.
And eyes are always open for hard to find items. Wish I'd checked for primers, but was salivating so bad over ALL THE AMMO, bought a box of 9MM, that I forgot.
Told my wife before I walked in "Ice for Blood". And then they had ammo galore, fill a tub up and jump in galore. Swimming yeah, do the back stroke, yeah..... Ok, ok, we have enough for now.
Anti-Liberal
Veteran Member
I have plenty for every gun I own. As far as boogaloo goes there is no way I could run out before catching a round from someone. The real question is how many rounds will the Lord allow me to go through before that point.
I only have about 280 rounds for my Marlin 30-30 and about 500 rounds for my bolt-action .17HMR, for everything else i'm in the 1000's. And this is after selling quite a bit to put food on the table the last few months.
I only have about 280 rounds for my Marlin 30-30 and about 500 rounds for my bolt-action .17HMR, for everything else i'm in the 1000's. And this is after selling quite a bit to put food on the table the last few months.
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
What is A.A.?
Ammo Anonymous is an international fellowship of men and women who have had an ammo buying problem.
It is nonprofessional, self-supporting, multiracial and political. It is available to almost everyone.
Membership is open to anyone who wants to do something about his or her ammo purchasing problem.
(Sarcasm)
Ammo Anonymous is an international fellowship of men and women who have had an ammo buying problem.
It is nonprofessional, self-supporting, multiracial and political. It is available to almost everyone.
Membership is open to anyone who wants to do something about his or her ammo purchasing problem.
(Sarcasm)
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
I know you're kidding, but my son-in-law has one of these and he really does go
through the BBs.
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Fake Shemp
Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
I don’t need more ammo, I need more guns.
Ken Todd
Contributing Member
I have plenty, fortunately, because the desire to purchase more is outweighed by the prices.
I can still keep practicing on a weekly basis, but I keep round counts reduced.
I make a plan before I go, specific drills for specific purposes.
Excluded is plinking, just having fun shooting holes in paper, or hearing steel ding.
Excluded are good but ammo consuming drills e.g. repeating cadence drills and multiple Bill drills.
The one exception to the exclusion is the Baer drill (13 rounds, 2 reloads, three points of aim), with a timer, to either start or end the range session, but not both.
I can still keep practicing on a weekly basis, but I keep round counts reduced.
I make a plan before I go, specific drills for specific purposes.
Excluded is plinking, just having fun shooting holes in paper, or hearing steel ding.
Excluded are good but ammo consuming drills e.g. repeating cadence drills and multiple Bill drills.
The one exception to the exclusion is the Baer drill (13 rounds, 2 reloads, three points of aim), with a timer, to either start or end the range session, but not both.
Ammunition Smuggling to Mexico, 13 Thousand rounds caught at Nogalas Border, again
Friday, September 25, 2020
Ammunition Smuggling to Mexico, 13 Thousand rounds caught at Nogalas Border, again
wikimedia image of Morely Gate, Nogales, Arizona CC 4.0
Ian Pollet 18 April, 2019. Cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten
On 17 September, Mexican authorities said they were checking vehicles coming into Mexico when a car with Arizona plates tried to avoid the checkpoint. The car crashed into another vehicle. The authorities said they found 13,000 rounds of ammunition in the trunk. I do not recommend running from the Mexican authorities. Their rules of engagement are different. They will shoot, if they are able to do so. From kvoa.com:
From theborderreports.com: May 2020
10,000 rounds at a time may seem like a lot. It isn't. These are all small time smugglers, lured by the relatively easy money of selling ammunition to willing buyers south of the border. The larger bulk quantities probably go to the cartels.
The cartels have much more reliable sources, consisting of the Mexican government itself, and worldwide sources from failed states and other governments. Attempting to choke off their weapon supply with border controls is a losing game.
With billions of dollars to play with, the cartels could purchase their own manufacturing plants. The cartels have evolved into warlord type governments. If they offered better governance than the Mexican central authority, they would likely become states in their own right.
Americans have a long history of smuggling guns and ammunition. Until the Progressive era, it wasn't even particularly illegal, except to those deemed enemies of the republic. Mexico was never very good at either arming their forces or maintaining the weaponry they had. The fascinating essay on How not to arm a state says the major difference today is the cartels have lots of money and thus, access to weapons from numerous sources.
A friend who was stationed in Yuma 30 years ago, recalls he thwarted a similar deal for 13,000 rounds headed South of the border. He noticed the sale at a gun store, was suspicious, followed the buyers, and watched them load the ammunition under a fabricated bed in the back of a van.
He was "off duty" but called the port. They stopped the van. The smuggler was prosecuted.
The prosecutions are a minority of the smuggling which gets done.
The common occurrence is the smuggler attempts to take a load through. They are successful. Success breeds arrogance, and they keep on trafficking until they are caught.
Smaller quantities of ammunition are taken across the border by drone, flung by catapults or "water balloon" type sling shots. Massive quantities can be smuggled through four or six inch pipes which are horizontally drilled across the border into basements on the other side.
The cartels are ultimately fueled by the money produced from the war on some drugs. It is hard to see that policy winding down anytime soon.
Those who claim violence is fueled by weapons are ignorant of history.
Violence is inherent in human nature. An imbalance in weaponry invites aggression. Secure governments, which enforce the rule of law, minimize violence.
The number of weapons in a society has little effect. Societies pre-gun were as or more violent as societies after guns were introduced. Guns, can, in fact "level the playing field" making society safer for the weak, elderly, and vulnerable.
©2020 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.
Gun Watch
Posted by Dean Weingarten at 9/25/2020 10:35:00 PM No comments:
Friday, September 25, 2020
Ammunition Smuggling to Mexico, 13 Thousand rounds caught at Nogalas Border, again
wikimedia image of Morely Gate, Nogales, Arizona CC 4.0
Ian Pollet 18 April, 2019. Cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten
On 17 September, Mexican authorities said they were checking vehicles coming into Mexico when a car with Arizona plates tried to avoid the checkpoint. The car crashed into another vehicle. The authorities said they found 13,000 rounds of ammunition in the trunk. I do not recommend running from the Mexican authorities. Their rules of engagement are different. They will shoot, if they are able to do so. From kvoa.com:
This sort of smuggling activity is reasonably common. Here are a few instances from the U.S. side of the border:
From theborderreports.com: May 2020
Roughly another 8,000 rounds of 7.62 x 39, from February, 2020, krqe.com:
From February, 2019, smuggler released on own recognizance in Nogalez.
Another article states that 282,000 rounds of ammunition were caught at the border of Arizona, being smuggled into Mexico, over a ten year period, ending in 2016.
10,000 rounds at a time may seem like a lot. It isn't. These are all small time smugglers, lured by the relatively easy money of selling ammunition to willing buyers south of the border. The larger bulk quantities probably go to the cartels.
The cartels have much more reliable sources, consisting of the Mexican government itself, and worldwide sources from failed states and other governments. Attempting to choke off their weapon supply with border controls is a losing game.
With billions of dollars to play with, the cartels could purchase their own manufacturing plants. The cartels have evolved into warlord type governments. If they offered better governance than the Mexican central authority, they would likely become states in their own right.
Americans have a long history of smuggling guns and ammunition. Until the Progressive era, it wasn't even particularly illegal, except to those deemed enemies of the republic. Mexico was never very good at either arming their forces or maintaining the weaponry they had. The fascinating essay on How not to arm a state says the major difference today is the cartels have lots of money and thus, access to weapons from numerous sources.
The essay goes on to say that weapons and ammunition are cheaper in the overseas markets such as Somalia and easier to obtain, often, from the Mexican military and Honduras stockpiles.
A friend who was stationed in Yuma 30 years ago, recalls he thwarted a similar deal for 13,000 rounds headed South of the border. He noticed the sale at a gun store, was suspicious, followed the buyers, and watched them load the ammunition under a fabricated bed in the back of a van.
He was "off duty" but called the port. They stopped the van. The smuggler was prosecuted.
The prosecutions are a minority of the smuggling which gets done.
The common occurrence is the smuggler attempts to take a load through. They are successful. Success breeds arrogance, and they keep on trafficking until they are caught.
Smaller quantities of ammunition are taken across the border by drone, flung by catapults or "water balloon" type sling shots. Massive quantities can be smuggled through four or six inch pipes which are horizontally drilled across the border into basements on the other side.
The cartels are ultimately fueled by the money produced from the war on some drugs. It is hard to see that policy winding down anytime soon.
Those who claim violence is fueled by weapons are ignorant of history.
Violence is inherent in human nature. An imbalance in weaponry invites aggression. Secure governments, which enforce the rule of law, minimize violence.
The number of weapons in a society has little effect. Societies pre-gun were as or more violent as societies after guns were introduced. Guns, can, in fact "level the playing field" making society safer for the weak, elderly, and vulnerable.
©2020 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included.
Gun Watch
Posted by Dean Weingarten at 9/25/2020 10:35:00 PM No comments:
Wow, the Nogales border crossing has been spiffed up from when I went across way back when. (several days off from summer job in college working in the underground copper mines up north of Tucson, headed down to Guaymas for some beach party time and ran into the whole country being dry because it was during a presidential election weekend 
) Ended up sleeping on a hammock on some hotel's beach in Guaymas after someone took pity on us poor sober gringos. I did remember that they'd filmed Catch-22 nearby and at least all the senoritas hadn't left town. 
The border crossing was pretty primitive at the time, I sort of remember lol. First stop in Mexico was some market we found where they made us some fresh tacos scraping meat from bbq'd horse skulls. Tasty!
And oh yeah, I was looking at SGAmmo's website yesterday. They've at least got ammo but Sam Gabbert is upfront about it being awfully expensive - what little there is. He recommends getting on his email notification list if someone needs ammo badly.
) Ended up sleeping on a hammock on some hotel's beach in Guaymas after someone took pity on us poor sober gringos. I did remember that they'd filmed Catch-22 nearby and at least all the senoritas hadn't left town. The border crossing was pretty primitive at the time, I sort of remember lol. First stop in Mexico was some market we found where they made us some fresh tacos scraping meat from bbq'd horse skulls. Tasty!
And oh yeah, I was looking at SGAmmo's website yesterday. They've at least got ammo but Sam Gabbert is upfront about it being awfully expensive - what little there is. He recommends getting on his email notification list if someone needs ammo badly.
Roger Thornhill
Some irascible old curmudgeon
I have plenty, but I have started reloading again to conserve the factory ammo while I build range time.
I took the adage 'buy it cheap and stack it deep' to heart years ago. Good-quality centerfire ammunition at less than 15-20 cents a round was purchased in quantity. I am now selling off some of it at 5 or 6 times what I paid for it.
There were certain brands which were heavily discounted when they first appeared on the US market, such as Prvi Partizan and Fiocchi. Lapua 7.62x39 was priced the same as Norinco when I first encountered it 35 years ago! I still have some Lapua factory loads left from the numerous cases I bought; the premium-quality brass was all saved for reloading.
The salad days are over. Battle packs of military-surplus South African 5.56, or German 7.62x51, will never be seen again. Police turn-in quality handgun ammo is now priced at over a dollar a round. If you don't reload, you'd better learn how. Even components are drying up; pistol and small-rifle primers are getting very hard to find. If Biden gets in, you'll have only a few months to get what you'll need before the supply of both ammunition and components is shut off forever.
I took the adage 'buy it cheap and stack it deep' to heart years ago. Good-quality centerfire ammunition at less than 15-20 cents a round was purchased in quantity. I am now selling off some of it at 5 or 6 times what I paid for it.
There were certain brands which were heavily discounted when they first appeared on the US market, such as Prvi Partizan and Fiocchi. Lapua 7.62x39 was priced the same as Norinco when I first encountered it 35 years ago! I still have some Lapua factory loads left from the numerous cases I bought; the premium-quality brass was all saved for reloading.
The salad days are over. Battle packs of military-surplus South African 5.56, or German 7.62x51, will never be seen again. Police turn-in quality handgun ammo is now priced at over a dollar a round. If you don't reload, you'd better learn how. Even components are drying up; pistol and small-rifle primers are getting very hard to find. If Biden gets in, you'll have only a few months to get what you'll need before the supply of both ammunition and components is shut off forever.
