SOFT NEWS Archeologists Unearthed this Stone Turtle! What's Inside is An Ancient Machine?

Fairwillows

Where I am supposed to be.
For those interested in Ancient history, this young man is a powerhouse of information and discoveries. Have watched his informative and astounding videos for about 4 years. He nevers ceases to amaze me. Here is the link to his homepage: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe3OmUXohXrXnNZSRl5Z9k

For those that can't view videos, they have discovered stone turtles, with compartments inside. One contained a goopy material, that has yet to be identified. And one contained 2 bags of quartz crystals and bronze wires. They also found a trident looking artifact, that could have been the antenna.
This recent video is, I think, the best one yet: one of the comments was, there should be another turtle with a circular hole on it. I totally agree, I hope they find it. The correlation between the circular patterns on artifacts and the wave patterns of sounds is amazing. I hope someone can put them together.
RT: 9:41
View: https://youtu.be/__n2X0pNp5E
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
For those interested in Ancient history, this young man is a powerhouse of information and discoveries. Have watched his informative and astounding videos for about 4 years. He nevers ceases to amaze me. Here is the link to his homepage: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe3OmUXohXrXnNZSRl5Z9k

For those that can't view videos, they have discovered stone turtles, with compartments inside. One contained a goopy material, that has yet to be identified. And one contained 2 bags of quartz crystals and bronze wires. They also found a trident looking artifact, that could have been the antenna.
This recent video is, I think, the best one yet: one of the comments was, there should be another turtle with a circular hole on it. I totally agree, I hope they find it. The correlation between the circular patterns on artifacts and the wave patterns of sounds is amazing. I hope someone can put them together.
RT: 9:41
View: https://youtu.be/__n2X0pNp5E

WOW!!!
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
He is interesting. He has vids if some ancient indian temples that no one can explain how they made them.
The quartz crystals come out of the ground like that tho. They are not carved or polished. You can dig them up at several sites around Hot Springs AR. I had a whole bunch at one time.

I found them interesting. WishI could find huge ones like the ones found in that cave in mexico.
 

Fairwillows

Where I am supposed to be.
I still say that Noah was living in an advanced society, possibly even more advanced than ours. those turtles could be 6,000 plus years old.
Me too. I lean toward the theory that Noah collected DNA from all the species, instead of the actual collection of animals. And if our technological society was destroyed today, There would not be much left to define how advanced we were either. Paper and plastic don't last very long.
 

ArisenCarcass

Veteran Member
Me too. I lean toward the theory that Noah collected DNA from all the species, instead of the actual collection of animals. And if our technological society was destroyed today, There would not be much left to define how advanced we were either. Paper and plastic don't last very long.

Nor does metal. Oxidization is a killer in most of the easily inhabitable areas of the world.
Very little remains of the ancient world save for scraps and monoliths.
 

Fairwillows

Where I am supposed to be.
Nor does metal. Oxidization is a killer in most of the easily inhabitable areas of the world.
Very little remains of the ancient world save for scraps and monoliths.
I agree. Have you ever seen the petrified logs that appear to have been sawed? They can run with their explanations, I formed the opinion, that these were cut eons ago with saws! They claim they are 200,000,000 years old!1602276941041.png
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Nor does metal. Oxidization is a killer in most of the easily inhabitable areas of the world.
Very little remains of the ancient world save for scraps and monoliths.

This and the metal objects that have been found, like the ones off of the coast of Greece that they still cannot explain what they were or what they were used for, were not made of steel.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Me too. I lean toward the theory that Noah collected DNA from all the species, instead of the actual collection of animals. And if our technological society was destroyed today, There would not be much left to define how advanced we were either. Paper and plastic don't last very long.

fertilized eggs, sperm and frozen eggs, embryos, larva, etc. Floating seed/egg bank that could easily be managed by a half dozen people.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
We can never know all about everything in pre-history. We can speculate, and find things, but supposedly the really advanced civilizations were destroyed way back when. These things are remnants. Read Edgar Cayce, for one. Then read about the nuclear wars in ancient India. There is so much. Noah's Ark was pretty big, so even if he had DNA collected, they also had real animals. See the Youtubes about the supposed Ark finds in Turkey. All the rest.... and then we have the aliens theories. I always figure I can go read the files after I'm gone.

:)
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
fertilized eggs, sperm and frozen eggs, embryos, larva, etc. Floating seed/egg bank that could easily be managed by a half dozen people.

It's an interesting thought, but was totally not necessary. If you ever get a chance, visit the Ark Encounter Exhibit in Kentucky (just south of Cincinnati). It's well worth the price to see their life-sized Ark, with all the stuff inside. And all the information, based on the Bible and archaeology. There was plenty of room on board the Ark for all the necessary living animals and their feed.

As for the broken fossilized logs that look like they've been sawed -- I think they were tossed around and broke after they were fossilized and had become brittle. It's almost certain that the people before the Flood DID have saws, but as far as I've seen, there aren't any saw marks on the butts of those logs.

Our ancestors were more intelligent than we are, because man was created perfect and has been deteriorating ever since the first sin. They may have figured out some technology which has only been recently rediscovered, such as batteries. But it still takes a lot of little advances for people to build on before you can get to advanced tech like we have.

Kathleen
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
It's an interesting thought, but was totally not necessary. If you ever get a chance, visit the Ark Encounter Exhibit in Kentucky (just south of Cincinnati). It's well worth the price to see their life-sized Ark, with all the stuff inside. And all the information, based on the Bible and archaeology. There was plenty of room on board the Ark for all the necessary living animals and their feed.

As for the broken fossilized logs that look like they've been sawed -- I think they were tossed around and broke after they were fossilized and had become brittle. It's almost certain that the people before the Flood DID have saws, but as far as I've seen, there aren't any saw marks on the butts of those logs.

Our ancestors were more intelligent than we are, because man was created perfect and has been deteriorating ever since the first sin. They may have figured out some technology which has only been recently rediscovered, such as batteries. But it still takes a lot of little advances for people to build on before you can get to advanced tech like we have.

Kathleen

You know what Kathleen you do you and NEVER tell me how to think. ;)
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
We can never know all about everything in pre-history. We can speculate, and find things, but supposedly the really advanced civilizations were destroyed way back when. These things are remnants. Read Edgar Cayce, for one. Then read about the nuclear wars in ancient India. There is so much. Noah's Ark was pretty big, so even if he had DNA collected, they also had real animals. See the Youtubes about the supposed Ark finds in Turkey. All the rest.... and then we have the aliens theories. I always figure I can go read the files after I'm gone.

:)

I don't doubt that he had real animals on the ark, but things like bird, insect, reptile, and fish eggs would be way easier to transport and incubate so that the chicks, fish, and insects were ready to hatch when the waters receded. This would allow for much larger mammals and lizards to be transported that wouldn't be so easy to incubate once they made landfall. We know he did have some birds on board because he sent out a Dove to find land.
 

ArisenCarcass

Veteran Member
I agree. Have you ever seen the petrified logs that appear to have been sawed? They can run with their explanations, I formed the opinion, that these were cut eons ago with saws! They claim they are 200,000,000 years old!View attachment 225009

This is an interesting rabbithole that I've been down before.
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Esau and Gilgamesh cut down the Sacred Tree.
In the Bible, the original translation of the Nephilim was "mighty men of old, the tree fellers."

I read a theory that the Mediterranean rim and basin were once a great old-world-forested area (think redwoods).
The great men of old felled those trees, creating the instability that led to the destruction in the basin.....the great flood.
The civilization was destroyed.
It is echoed in many of the Oldest stories and religious texts the world over......
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
This is an interesting rabbithole that I've been down before.
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Esau and Gilgamesh cut down the Sacred Tree.
In the Bible, the original translation of the Nephilim was "mighty men of old, the tree fellers."

I read a theory that the Mediterranean rim and basin were once a great old-world-forested area (think redwoods).
The great men of old felled those trees, creating the instability that led to the destruction in the basin.....the great flood.
The civilization was destroyed.
It is echoed in many of the Oldest stories and religious texts the world over......

Interesting, thanks now I have something else to look into, never knew about the tree fellers.
 

day late

money? whats that?
One thing I have noticed about the Ark. Nowhere in scripture does it say that Noah had to bring full grown animals ect. onto the Ark. A baby elephant is going to take much less room and require much less feeding than an adult. The same goes for the rest of the creatures. Just my .02
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Um. The electronic device "diode" shown in the video is a so called "cat's whisker" diode which utilizes Galena (Lead sulfide crystal) as the conducting crystal.

Not to say that other crystalline substances can't be used in a similar manner.

Crystal detector - Wikipedia

Dobbin
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I can't wait to hear what Melodi has to say about this find!
I just watched it - what a mad combination of speculation and "maybe!" and "how else?"

I don't want to write 20 pages, but let's start with, it makes a huge difference if this was a 1,000-year-old find (almost the modern era) or 12,000 years ago (where a lot of the really weird Vedic and Eurasian stuff like Gobekli Tepe comes from).

A thousand years ago China (very near Cambodia) was on the verge of an industrial revolution that came very close to having us 1,000 years ahead in technology and everyone speaking Chinese as the main world language.

Heck, they had early steel factories, gun powder, industrial silk wheels and the Emperor had a totally modern functioning water toilet that was placed (and set up in his tomb in case he needed to take his "ease" in the afterlife - then pull the chain and flush).

There are geopolitical and cultural reasons the Chinese (or their neighbors) didn't jump from steel foundries to a true industrial age but they could have, so could the Romans for that matter. Wolf has a friend working in the Roman military archives (it will take decades to translate them all) and he found a proposal for an internal combustion engine and it would have worked! But the superior of the inventor thought that as a weapon it was too "out there" and told him to design a new seige engineer or something.

Oh and a thousand years ago, China had a printing press too, there is one of two or three still in existing in the Gutenberg Museum in Germany where it has its own room (I've seen it) and admits that the Chinese invented it first.

OK that entire background sums up what I am about to say:

Even if (and that's a very long stretch) these ARE parts of a "crystal radio" or telegraph set up, IF they are only 1,000 years old there is absolutely no reason they could not have been a military or temple "secret" used to send something like Morris Code, to send intelligence back and forth to some other temple or general in the field.

If we find ANOTHER temple with the same sort of set up or the ruins of a such a machine, I'd get really suspicious that like the steam-powered doors in Alexandrian Greece that wowed the public by opening using hidden engines under the doors (but untouched by human hands); that this was in fact going on - about a thousand years before the telegraph wires stretched across the old West.

Other explanations? Well, there were wires, pots and weird stuff found in ancient Iraq that made up a perfectly usable electrical battery, in fact during one of the Gulf Wars and young engineer made a copy of it and used it to charge the mobile phones and radios when the West "bombed Iraq back to the stone age," except by the Bronze Age Iraq had electrical batteries, but probably used them mostly in medicine and maybe to make jewelry.

Bronze wire was used for everything you can imagine since the "Bronze Age," and I believe wire and crystals could be used to make jewelry, I know next to nothing about South-Asian archeological finds on this topic, but just finding wires, pretty crystals, and a weird pitch-fork could be "precious" items stashed away for future jewelry or other temple decorations, just as easily as it could be a primitive radio.

The frequency depiction (if correct) might suggest some experimentation with wires and early batteries or radios, I mean you can watch frequencies making sand patterns (or using other materials) in many Youtube videos from various frequencies, people experimenting around with such things usually figure this out early on. This is why I think looking for other sites and some reconstructive archeology (like the Bagdad Battery) might be in order.

But finally, what really had me rolling on the floor laughing (and I'm sorry but really put me in doubt of this guy's information, not his sincerity just his conclusions) is Why Aliens?

What does he mean, this "has" to be to receive signals from outer space? It isn't like the telegraph and later the radio was invented to listen to space signals, that came about a lot later in the game.

Again, 12,000 years ago, well I still wouldn't say it had to be, but I'd be more curious in the context given some of the Vedic material and other suggestions, but it is still a stretch.

Much more likely would be, if this really is a telegraph or simple radio, it was a "temple" or "military" secret used to send boring messages like: "This year's grain offerings were XYZ..." or "The enemy is located here."

Imagine if the Emperor's spymaster had such a hidden telegraph, and could monitor parts of the great wall?

Sadly, since this is the first time that I know of, such a find has happened and since they are not all over the place; if this technology did exist, it isn't likely to have been widespread.

So once again, how old is this find really? And is there any other finds that put it in any kind of context?

OK hope that helps....
 
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naegling62

Veteran Member
I just watched it - what a mad combination of speculation and "maybe!" and "how else?"

I don't want to write 20 pages, but let's start with, it makes a huge difference if this was a 1,000-year-old find (almost the modern era) or 12,000 years ago (where a lot of the really weird Vedic and Eurasian stuff like Gobekli Tepe comes from).

A thousand years ago China (very near Cambodia) was on the verge of an industrial revolution that came very close to having us 1,000 years ahead in technology and everyone speaking Chinese as the main world language.

Heck, they had early steel factories, gun powder, industrial silk wheels and the Emperor had a totally modern functioning water toilet that was placed (and set up in his tomb in case he needed to take his "ease" in the afterlife - then pull the chain and flush).

There are geopolitical and cultural reasons the Chinese (or their neighbors) didn't jump from steel foundries to a true industrial age but they could have, so could the Romans for that matter. Wolf has a friend working in the Roman military archives (it will take decades to translate them all) and he found a proposal for an internal combustion engine and it would have worked! But the superior of the inventor thought that as a weapon it was too "out there" and told him to design a new seige engineer or something.

Oh and a thousand years ago, China had a printing press too, there is one of two or three still in existing in the Gutenberg Museum in Germany where it has its own room (I've seen it) and admits that the Chinese invented it first.

OK that entire background sums up what I am about to say:

Even if (and that's a very long stretch) these ARE parts of a "crystal radio" or telegraph set up, IF they are only 1,000 years old there is absolutely no reason they could not have been a military or temple "secret" used to send something like Morris Code, to send intelligence back and forth to some other temple or general in the field.

If we find ANOTHER temple with the same sort of set up or the ruins of a such a machine, I'd get really suspicious that like the steam-powered doors in Alexandrian Greece that wowed the public by opening using hidden engines under the doors (but untouched by human hands); that this was in fact going on - about a thousand years before the telegraph wires stretched across the old West.

Other explanations? Well, there were wires, pots and weird stuff found in ancient Iraq that made up a perfectly usable electrical battery, in fact during one of the Gulf Wars and young engineer made a copy of it and used it to charge the mobile phones and radios when the West "bombed Iraq back to the stone age," except by the Bronze Age Iraq had electrical batteries, but probably used them mostly in medicine and maybe to make jewelry.

Bronze wire was used for everything you can imagine since the "Bronze Age," and I believe wire and crystals could be used to make jewelry, I know next to nothing about South-Asian archeological finds on this topic, but just finding wires, pretty crystals, and a weird pitch-fork could be "precious" items stashed away for future jewelry or other temple decorations, just as easily as it could be a primitive radio.

The frequency depiction (if correct) might suggest some experimentation with wires and early batteries or radios, I mean you can watch frequencies making sand patterns (or using other materials) in many Youtube videos from various frequencies, people experimenting around with such things usually figure this out early on. This is why I think looking for other sites and some reconstructive archeology (like the Bagdad Battery) might be in order.

But finally, what really had me rolling on the floor laughing (and I'm sorry but really put me in doubt of this guy's information, not his sincerity just his conclusions) is Why Aliens?

What does he mean, this "has" to be to receive signals from outer space? It isn't like the telegraph and later the radio was invented to listen to space signals, that came about a lot later in the game.

Again, 12,000 years ago, well I still wouldn't say it had to be, but I'd be more curious in the context given some of the Vedic material and other suggestions, but it is still a stretch.

Much more likely would be, if this really is a telegraph or simple radio, it was a "temple" or "military" secret used to send boring messages like: "This year's grain offerings were XYZ..." or "The enemy is located here."

Imagine if the Emperor's spymaster had such a hidden telegraph, and could monitor parts of the great wall?

Sadly, since this is the first time that I know of, such a find has happened and since they are not all over the place; if this technology did exist, it isn't likely to have been widespread.

So once again, how old is this find really? And is there any other finds that put it in any kind of context?

OK hope that helps....
Very impressive criticism.
 

bloodztone

Contributing Member
If I were an ancient civilization and I wanted to control the population and I figured out how to create a radio, I would think it could be used to "pretend" to be a god and have the population worship what was coming out of the turtles. Something like that which had never been seen before would have thought to be from the gods. Whoever built was already thinking outside of the box. A Michelangelo of their time.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
If I were an ancient civilization and I wanted to control the population and I figured out how to create a radio, I would think it could be used to "pretend" to be a god and have the population worship what was coming out of the turtles. Something like that which had never been seen before would have thought to be from the gods. Whoever built was already thinking outside of the box. A Michelangelo of their time.
I was just chatting with Nightwolf that there are articles out there purporting this about the Ark of the Covenant as some sort of communication device.

But I have neither the expertise to understand them (they may be totally silly) or want to step on that particular theological landmine without it, but the premise has been used in a number of fantasy novels; so has Ezekial's Wheel (the original UFO).

However, the description of the items in the "turtles" sound to me (and I am NOT experienced in this, others here probably are and can provide more information) a lot more like the set up for a telegraph or simple signal sending device that doesn't need wires, but probably isn't really a radio broadcast in the way we think of it today.

I think you would need something more complex and/or at least vocal to get messages from "God" "the Anunaki" or the "5th Dimension" but that sort of thing is way out of my field of understanding.

To me, a radio works when I turn it on or it doesn't - OK I'm not quite that bad, but almost.
 
Along with the discussion - a contemporary tech event occurred with the advent of computers - at first, it was the domain of those with deep pockets (typically large corporations and .gov) who could afford the cadre of "priests" that kept it all humming.

It was not until the advent of the personal computer and its widespread dissemination into our culture that "the REST of the story" was able to emerge.

IF computing had stayed exclusively in the domain of the monied and connected, how might it have been lorded over the unsuspecting masses? Along this same line of thinking - IF a major world catastrophe had occurred, wiping out much of civilization and a large enough portion of the "high priest" tech class, likely that knowledge may have disappeared for another millennia or more - in other words, what was important about personal computers was that the overall knowledge of how to make a computer, how to build computer chips, improved material sciences leading to smaller, more powerful computers (smartphones are the latest rendition/illustration of this), etc. were all spread out into J6P's world - this knowledge was no longer the domain of the (relatively few per capita) "priest-tech class."

Could have happened in the past, with any number of technology developments - I know that the Greeks had a sub-group of automation engineers that existed in one particular place within the Greek empire - the point being that if that one place had been destroyed by war or cataclysmic event, that the knowledge of the automation engineering bunch would have also disappeared - and, this is exactly what happened.

Also, the ancient Greeks had drawn-out plans/blueprints for a working steam engine - the roadblock that they had run into, at that time, was that material sciences needed to evolve further before they could create a reliable prototype. And, then, the ancient Greek steam engine disappeared into the mist of those ancient times, along with the rise of the Roman Empire.

Overall point I am making - tech cannot be kept within a closed group of "tech priests" without risking the sudden loss of that particular tech knowledge - history has shown that to be true, several times. It is only when the high-tech knowledge is widely spread out into J6P-land and made an everyday part of J6P's existence that such high-tech knowledge/application can more reliably exist for a greater span of time.

The democratization of (high-tech) knowledge.


intothegoodnight
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Uh, at least by the Potolamemic Period (the last Egyptian Dynastic rules by Greeks) they HAD a working steam engine, at least ones, the remains of which were found under a pair of temple doors.

Excavations indicated it was most likely used to "open" the temple doors when the Priest said an ancient version of "Shazam" and wow, the doors opened by "magic."

There was also a coin-operated slot machine to get your special handy-dandy temple token right here (similar to the one at some tourist sites in Germany today) and a "theater without actors" that we have the plans for, that was said to wow, the nobility during drunken dinner parties and was basically a very complicated toy or early automaton that ran on steam power.

History Channel did a whole series in the Ancient Engineers where they displayed modern recreations of this stuff based both on actual finds and the writings of the day.

Of course, this was past the period most people think of as "Ancient Greece" and during the time when Roman technology was started to build on the Greek Engineering Heritage but hadn't gotten around to having a large empire yet.


One thing the Greek and Roman inventors and scientists show us is that you need both invention and a cultural need for things to take be widely adopted or used in certain ways.

For example, there is no reason on Earth that Romans with their water-powered factories and cross-bows made like "gattling guns" could not have mechanized cloth production (what helped build the modern world we live in) from spinning wheels to water (or even steam-powered) looms, but as far as we know, they never did.

We know they did build modern ancestors of factories, especially for certain military items and they did have a commercial textile industry but both relied on the technology of the day (again as far as we know) - SLAVES.

If you have enough slaves and military conscripts, you may not see the need for making boats go without oars; yarn to be spun on wheels, or fabric produced with semi-automatic looms.

And then there is the other fact - realizing or conceiving that something is both possible and practical - it is looking for all the world like the Greeks had a few, very-very expensive (probably) and hand-crafted ANALOG computers. Probably aimed mostly at wealthy ship company owners, or gentlemen astronomers/astrologers. We know because we found one, and we also know that Greek Engineers speculated about things like robotics, but simply didn't have the materials or background technology to make more than wind up or small steam-powered toys.

My husband has pointed this out repeatedly when it comes to weapons, you need to have a concept of something in order to "invent it" or make it work - think of how ideas from Star Trek have helped spur on modern smartphones and language translators.

It in may have taken the world thousands of years (at least this time) to figure out first how to make a ack powder (and versions of that may go back to the really ancient world, including Greek Fire) but it took the Chinese to make it most recently (invented or improved Greek Fire), then figure out how to make hand grenades and cannons (again back to that 1,000 years ago marker).

Which made it to the "West" within about four to five hundred years, where the awkward and highly dangerous early Chinese canons and primitive hand grenades were improved upon and made first into cannons and as early as the 14th century, proto (and highly dangerous) flintlock rifles.

There is NO REASON, the Romans couldn't have done this, I've seen some of the military weapons found in shipwrecks and they look astonishingly modern (and scary) but they have no concept of "make it boom."

Once people in the West got the idea of "make it go boom" it only takes a few years to make some really big and some really small booms and that's the end of the "Age of Chivalry."

So once again back to the radios, or even the hypothetical early computer may be run on something like the Bagdad battery: the answer is probably: "yes, some things are lost because they are trade secrets and no one knows how to repair or replace them after a time" but "in order for them to get invented as secrets in the first place you are correct you need an Imhoptep or a Leanardo to be able to invent the concept first."

Then there has to be a NEED: cultural, religious, or practical for the society or individuals to adopt them; wealthy Roman matrons were still supposed to spin and weave a lot of the family clothing (along with their slaves) long after such home industry was no longer needed by the upper classes.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
A radio communication device? Pullease. :rolleyes:
I talked this over with Nightwolf, given the relatively simple technology needed to build a telegraph or signal device the Chinse of the 10th century certain COULD have built one or as he pointed out, so could the Romans.

That does not mean that they DID so, but like internal combustion engines with the Romans had one we know on paper, there is no evidence they were ever built.

I mean Leanardo Da Vince invented and may have made the foot-powered spinning wheel with an automatic spool winder but there is no evidence of foot treadles in use for another 100 years and the winders don't come into use until the industrial machines of the 18th century.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
I talked this over with Nightwolf, given the relatively simple technology needed to build a telegraph or signal device the Chinse of the 10th century certain COULD have built one or as he pointed out, so could the Romans.

That does not mean that they DID so, but like internal combustion engines with the Romans had one we know on paper, there is no evidence they were ever built.

I mean Leanardo Da Vince invented and may have made the foot-powered spinning wheel with an automatic spool winder but there is no evidence of foot treadles in use for another 100 years and the winders don't come into use until the industrial machines of the 18th century.
Yes, the could have possibly stumbled upon it, but I think it far more likely that crystals scattered around were more of a sacred object as opposed to being used for anything electrical. "Cut and polished" is taking liberties as well. Get a large geode and you can pull crystals just like that out of them that are highly planar. As for the wire, I suspect a lot of jewelry used wire.

In general, anyone with the knowledge to build a "radio" of any kind probably wouldn't store it inside a carved stone turtle. It would be like building a laptop in a cave.

ETA: That thing in the Baghdad museum that could have been a battery, probably was a battery because all the components are sensible. Not that they had low level understanding of how it work, but it could have worked.
 
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