OT/MISC Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and Injured Director. New Charges Filed!

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No AD yells “COLD GUN” The armourer or prop person is supposed to PERSONALLY show you the gun so you can see it is empty for yourself. Then I dry fire it into the ground. I have NEVER been handed a gun by an AD & I’ve been handed 100 guns & I’ve never heard “COLD gun” in 40 years

I used a a handgun every day on the set of my show for 9 years. No one ever used those terms. The actors always checked their weapons themselves no matter what anyone on set told them.
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Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie shooting: Criminal charges 'on the table,' district attorney says

By Nate Day | Fox News
13 hours ago

The accidental shooting on the set of the upcoming Western film "Rust" could result in criminal charges, according to a New Mexico district attorney.

Mary Carmack-Altwies of the state's first district told The New York Times that authorities "haven’t ruled out anything" when it comes to the future of the case.

On Thursday, actor Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a scene for the film on a ranch near Santa Fe when he discharged a firearm he was told was cold or "unloaded."

A projectile from the gun struck and ultimately killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza was wounded but has since been released from a hospital.

"Everything at this point, including criminal charges, is on the table," Carmack-Altwies told the Times.

An accidental shooting on the set of the movie ‘Rust’ near Santa Fe could result in criminal charges, according to a New Mexico district attorney.

An accidental shooting on the set of the movie ‘Rust’ near Santa Fe could result in criminal charges, according to a New Mexico district attorney. (Associated Press)

It's still unclear what was loaded into the gun at the time of the shooting, and the district attorney said authorities were focusing on ballistics to determine what was loaded into the gun, according to the Times.

The firearm was reportedly handed to Baldwin by "Rust" assistant director Dave Halls, who believed the gun was "cold," meaning he believed it contained no form of ammunition or blanks.

The investigation is also trying to determine who loaded the gun, the outlet reports.

"There were an enormous amount of bullets on this set, and we need to find out what kinds they were," she explained. A warrant obtained by Fox News on Tuesday revealed that authorities collected ammunition and multiple firearms from the set amid their investigation – though the inventory did not specify the type of ammunition found.

In the days since the incident, the firearm that was discharged has been referred to as a prop gun, but Carmack-Altwies took issue with the term.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed by a projectile that was fired from a fire arm.

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed by a projectile that was fired from a fire arm. (Getty Images)

"It was a legit gun," she said, though did not mention a specific kind. "It was an antique, era-appropriate gun."

"Rust" is a Western film starring Baldwin and "Supernatural" alum Jensen Ackles.

People who were on the set of the film at the time of the shooting were still being interviewed by detectives, the DA said.

"It’s probably weeks, if not months, of follow-up investigation that we’re going to need to get to the point of charging," she added.

Similarly, the Sante Fe Medical Examiner and Coroner recently told Fox News the Hutchins autopsy could take "six to 10 weeks" or more.

Carmack-Altwies told the Times that she was unaware of reports that have circulated indicating that crew members used the weapons for leisure shooting in the hours before the incident, calling such reports "unconfirmed."

Alec Baldwin was handed the firearm by assistant director Dave Halls, who believed there was no ammunition loaded.

Alec Baldwin was handed the firearm by assistant director Dave Halls, who believed there was no ammunition loaded. (IMDb/Getty Images)

She also said that the case is among the most challenging in Santa Fe County in recent memory.

"We have complex cases all the time," she said. "But this kind of complex case, with these kinds of prominent people, no."

The DA will speak with reporters on Wednesday morning alongside Sheriff Adan Mendoza.

Fox News has reached out to Carmack-Altwies for further comment.

It's unclear who charges would be filed against, though some think Baldwin could face charges.

"Alec Baldwin is presumably in charge because he’s the producer and has a great voice on the budget here," famed criminal defense lawyer Mark Geragos told Fox News. "I guarantee you they’re also looking at whether or not people were shaving money or trying to cut costs and [whether] this is one of the results of that."

Geragos also mentioned he "would be shocked if there wasn’t an involuntary manslaughter charge brought in this case."

No charges have been filed in the "Rust" shooting incident as of Wednesday morning. Prosecutors and law enforcement officers are expected to provide an update on the investigation during the day.

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie shooting: Criminal charges 'on the table,' district attorney says | Fox News
 
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Santa Fe Sheriff: The gun Alec Baldwin fired was a Colt 45

I'm sorry..so it would have taken him what 1 second to validate? Flip the door open and spin the cylinder? Would love to know the Trigger Pull Weight
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A loaded colt ! He never verified the chamber. He broke rule # 1. TREAT EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT IS LOADED !

Take care my friend, logic like that will get them screaming at you... it was not his fault, they will tell you this because he has an expert to tell him its not loaded.
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ShadowMan

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If the firearm is in your hand......bottom line is that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! No matter what someone tells you about that firearm!! (ALL GUNS ARE LOADED ALL THE TIME!!)

We can plainly see that "THEY" are trying to find an out for Alec Baldwin and throwing everyone else under the bus. That young armorer....she's toast. That assist director....he's toast. WHOM EVER was "playing" with that pistol beforehand when they find out who that was....they're toast. IT'S OBVIOUS THEY DON'T WANT BALDWIN held accountable for ANYTHING!!

"Oh that POOR POOR actor, he didn't know any better and is not responsible for being handed a loaded gun!"

They also need to investigate all the other Negligent Discharges that happened previous to the deadly event. That might shine a light on how this whole thing happened. I would bet that those asshats on the sets have been "playing cowboy" with REAL BULLETS before all those other "accidental" events.

I just can't imagine how there could be three negligent discharges and NO ACTION TAKEN!! :bhd: :shr:
 
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watched the NM press talk - a horse pistol was used - Baldwin "accidently" pulled that trigger at least twice (??) - that alone is hard to believe ...
 
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Illini Warrior said:
watched the NM press talk - a horse pistol was used - Baldwin "accidently" pulled that trigger at least twice (??) - that alone is hard to believe ...
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Unless you can point to some new evidence, the consensus now is one shot and two hit. The trigger pull was not accidental. Presence of a live round was the surprise.
 
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I just made this meme. It's a "You chose the ending." I was thinking "kills one and wounds another" "Is TOO hot for this set." they just write themselves. not sure anyone mentioned this before but.. is her underhair shaved in checkerboard, or bleached? Pretty radical updue. shoulda spent it on a gun class.
 

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Sounds like the Coroner and Medical Examiner are holding out for a higher bid. This autopsy is already over and the results except for certain blood tests are in. I will call this Manor of Death Homicide and Cause Firearm. That don't take ten weeks but it could take ten weeks to pay and synchronize stories.
 
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Illini Warrior said:
watched the NM press talk - a horse pistol was used - Baldwin "accidently" pulled that trigger at least twice (??) - that alone is hard to believe ...
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Aaaaaah the Colt Peacemaker .45 is a SINGLE ACTION PISTOL!! You have to COCK the hammer between each shot! Pulling the trigger twice won't do a thing on just the pull of the trigger.
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The point being these pistols don't ACCIDENTALLY go off by themselves or by just touching the trigger. You have to INTENTIONALLY COCK THE HAMMER! 4 CLICKS.....and then pull the trigger!
 
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ShadowMan said:
The point being these pistols don't ACCIDENTALLY go off by themselves or by just touching the trigger. You have to INTENTIONALLY COCK THE HAMMER! 4 CLICKS.....and then pull the trigger!
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Again, there was nothing accidental about the hammer dropping. He was INTENDING to drop the hammer. The accident comes from the fact that there was a live round under the hammer.

At least one live round, one shot fired, one person dead and one injured. This is not rocket science.
 
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It was said earlier some of the crew were using the prop gun (which is fully functional) to plink out back with live ammo.
 
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There was no reason for live rounds or any extra plinking activities around the set. The crew walking off for the set being unsafe were right. Lots of bad choices from Baldwin on down where made. Baldwin pulled the trigger but he was also the money bag for the production. I know they have insurance but I hope the multiple claims against them will override his insurance and put him on the street. He let this activity occur while under his producton and employment.
 
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Dozdoats said:
It was said earlier some of the crew were using the prop gun (which is fully functional) to plink out back with live ammo.
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If Baldwin, the AD or the armourer knew this, they are really going to have a problem. No prop gun should ever be used to fire live ammo, EVER.
 
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The bottom line is that three people failed THREE TIMES to ensure that the pistol was safe. THERE - ARE - NO - EXCUSES - FOR - THESE - FAILURES!! This is a flagrant case of THREE EXTREME NEGLIGENT FAILURES!!

AND....after THREE NEGLIGENT DISCHARGES on that set in as many days. There is NO EXCUSE possible....NONE!! All three individuals responsible should be held FULLY accountable and face FELONY CHARGES and REAL JAIL TIME....and that includes Baldwin. NO EXCUSES!! And the person that brought those live rounds to the set.....they can join the other three in JAIL.

I would also seriously fine anyone on the set that went plinking with those firearms. Stupid should pay!?!?!?!

Having been an RSO (Range Safety Officer) I have no hesitation 86ing someone for even the slightest safety violation. You'll get one warning (if it's a minor violation) but anything major you're gone!!
 
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Bottom line. When a weapon is handed to you you become responsible for it period. You check for its safety even if you watched the last guy check it. End of story.
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Everyone who handles weapons knows that. Everyone who's familiar with firearms knows to check its status for themselves. And anyone who knows firearms knows to evaluate another before handing off a weapon, and to judge their handling of it.

If you hand a weapon to an incompetent you are guilty of gross negligence. If the incompetent does something stupid, that's on him, but it's also on you.
 
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Sheriff said there were three weapons on scene. The one used was fully functional. Another was not functional and one was plastic. Baldwin was handed the fully functional weapon that was loaded with at least one real bullet. He apparently cocked and fired twice. It sounded like the gun went off only once.
Side note: Just watched Tombstone with Kurt Russell and it was Thall Reed as the armorer. Father of Rust armorer?
 
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He cocked and pulled the trigger twice. Only the second of those hammer drops was on a live round.

Yeah, that was her dad. That's where she (you should pardon the phrase) learned her craft.
 
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Explainer: Who faces legal liability in 'Rust' shooting case?
By Brendan Pierson



3 minute read
A photo of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who died after being shot by Alec Baldwin on the set of his movie Rust, rests among candles at a vigil in Albuquerque, New Mexico, U.S., October 23, 2021. REUTERS/Kevin Mohatt

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins is seen in this undated handout photo received by Reuters on October 23, 2021. Mandatory credit SWEN STUDIOS/Handout via REUTERS.

A photo of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who died after being shot by Alec Baldwin on the set of his movie Rust, rests among candles at a vigil in Albuquerque, New Mexico, U.S., October 23, 2021. REUTERS/Kevin Mohatt

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Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins is seen in this undated handout photo received by Reuters on October 23, 2021. Mandatory credit SWEN STUDIOS/Handout via REUTERS.

Oct 27 (Reuters) - Lawsuits seeking to assign civil liability in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins would be most likely to name the "Rust" crew member who inspected the gun, the assistant director who handed it to actor Alec Baldwin and possibly others in the production company, experts said on Wednesday.
New Mexico authorities have not ruled out criminal charges in the case. While rehearsing a scene on the movie set, Baldwin accidentally fired a gun that he had been told was safe. The shot killed Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza.

COULD THERE BE CRIMINAL CHARGES?
Experts said criminal charges are possible, though likely not against Baldwin.

"For a criminal case, you're going to need some sort of actual intent, or criminal negligence, gross negligence. That's ... something more than pointing the gun," said former federal prosecutor Neama Rahmani in Los Angeles.
The criminal investigation will likely focus instead on how the gun came to be loaded. "I think having live ballistic rounds on a movie set is inexcusable and rises to the level of gross negligence that you see in a criminal charge," said lawyer Jeff Harris of Harris Lowry Manton.

WHAT COULD THE GROUNDS FOR LAWSUITS BE?
Hutchins' family and Souza could file civil lawsuits for financial damages, legal experts said.

These lawsuits would most likely argue negligence, legally defined as a failure to exercise a reasonable level of care.
Such claims got a boost from the revelation by Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza on Wednesday that the gun handed to Baldwin contained a live round despite having been inspected and declared safe by two people, armorer Hannah Gutierrez and assistant director David Halls, and that other live rounds were found on the set.

"It's pretty obvious; somebody had to be negligent," said University of Southern California law professor Gregory Keating.
WHO COULD BE SUED?

Harris, who represented the family of a stuntman on AMC's "The Walking Dead" in a wrongful death case, said both Gutierrez and Halls could be sued. Bryan Sullivan of Early Sullivan, a Los Angeles entertainment attorney, agreed.
Harris said the "Rust" production company, people in supervisory roles and people involved in hiring decisions could also be targeted.

Allocating liability could take years of litigation. The outcome would determine who might have to pay financial damages and how much.
"It's very common to have multiple defendants whose negligence intermingles with each other," Harris said.

Baldwin probably will not be held civilly liable for firing the gun after being told it was safe. However, he could face liability as one of the film's producers, said Sullivan.
A court "would look at who had ultimate authority to ensure the safety of the set," he said.

WHAT ARE THE OBSTACLES TO DAMAGE CLAIMS?
Defendants in a civil lawsuit would likely argue the shooting was a workplace accident, meaning that the victims could only seek payment through workers' compensation insurance.

However, University of New Mexico School of Law professor Sonia Gipson Rankin said the victims could seek to prove that defendants had ignored safety concerns in the past and were knowingly acting in a dangerous way.
If successful, the victims might be able to seek damages in court, rather than through workers' compensation.
Reporting By Brendan Pierson in New York; Additional reporting by Nate Raymond, Editing by Alexia Garamfalvi and Cynthia Osterman
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
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Explainer: Who faces legal liability in 'Rust' shooting case?

Lawsuits seeking to assign civil liability in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins would be most likely to name the "Rust" crew member who inspected the gun, the assistant director who handed it to actor Alec Baldwin and possibly others in the production company, experts said on...
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Husband of cinematographer killed in Baldwin shooting hires lawyer
November 3, 20216:08 PM CDTLast Updated an hour ago

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People attend a vigil for late cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was fatally shot on the film set of "Rust", in Burbank, Los Angeles, California, U.S. October 24, 2021. REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni

Nov 3 (Reuters) - Matt Hutchins, whose wife Halyna Hutchins was accidentally shot dead by actor Alec Baldwin on the set of the film "Rust" last month, has hired a Los Angeles-based law firm in connection with the shooting, a spokeswoman said.
Brian Panish of personal injury firm Panish Shea Boyle Ravipudi, who earlier this year helped secure a $2.2 billion settlement for victims of Southern California wildfires and mudslides, will be the lead attorney, said Hutchins spokeswoman Amanda Duckworth.

Panish has also represented the mother and children of pop singer Michael Jackson in a wrongful death lawsuit.
Panish declined to comment. Legal experts have said Halyna Hutchins' family could file civil lawsuits seeking financial damages for negligence after a gun Baldwin was holding released a live bullet. Baldwin had been told the gun was safe to use.

Hutchins has been photographed embracing and talking with Baldwin in the days after the shooting.
Hutchins, a corporate associate at U.S. law firm Latham & Watkins, is the latest to hire legal counsel in the wake of the Oct. 21 shooting that also injured director Joel Souza.

Last week, Baldwin and other "Rust" producers hired law firm Jenner & Block to investigate the shooting. "Rust" armorer Hannah Gutierrez has retained Jason Bowles, a former federal prosecutor based in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Baldwin, who was also a producer on the film, has said he is heartbroken and is cooperating with authorities.
Reporting by David Thomas Editing by David Bario and Karishma Singh
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Husband of cinematographer killed in Baldwin shooting hires lawyer

Matt Hutchins, whose wife Halyna Hutchins was accidentally shot dead by actor Alec Baldwin on the set of the film "Rust" last month, has hired a Los Angeles-based law firm in connection with the shooting, a spokeswoman said.
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The "professional armorer's" lawyer is claiming someone tampered with the ammunition and that the armorer had multiple jobs which the producers forced upon her. At no time do her lawyers attempt to explain her negligence in examining the firearm used in the fatal shooting.

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How old is the son again? He being a CA brat, in the movie industry no less, would be at risk for problems anyway- but baby boy doesn't care about lawyers or settlements or the wealth he'll end up with due to this, he of course, just cries himself to sleep coz he wants momma.

If you want to pin the tail on the tragedy, THAT is where it belongs.
 
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The "professional armorer's" lawyer is claiming someone tampered with the ammunition and that the armorer had multiple jobs which the producers forced upon her. At no time do her lawyers attempt to explain her negligence in examining the firearm used in the fatal shooting.

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Rust Armorer Cries SABOTAGE?! Blames Crew for Alec Baldwin Tragedy

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A couple of white guys wearing MAGA hats, perhaps..?
 
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