OT/MISC Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and Injured Director. New Charges Filed!

West

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Good to hear the husband is lawyering it up.

Halyna Hutchins, had something on the scum bucket. Baldwin had it in for her.
 

PalmettoGirl

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I have a very close family member who is both a prop master and an armorer. The day after this happened his phone was blowing up and the general concensus among his colleagues is that it was the armorers fault. I’m going to copy the above image that he was sent because it’s so tiny and I can’t figure out how to enlarge it.
It says...
“I work in props. Apparently the armorer went off between takes and shot live rounds out of the Colt .45 between takes. The armorer forgot to clear the weapon, so there was still a live round chambered. As a props guy, I can confirm this is absolutely ****ing unacceptable, and the armorer is the one who should be held accountable.”

I do not know the person who wrote the above statement. It was sent to my family member.
 

The Snack Artist

Membership Revoked
I read Dwayne Johnson will be no longer using real guns on his movie sets. I think that's the answer. Make them say, "Pew, pew pew! When they shoot too.

Seriously though, there's no need for real guns. CGI the flash and sound. The kick of the weapon won't be the same but who gives a rip.
 

helen

Panic Sex Lady
I was an armorer. I broke down, cleaned, and triple checked each weapon before and after use. Each was numbered and assigned to exactly one actor. They were either with me, locked up, or in the assigned actors' hands. Live ammunition was not allowed on the property, and the weapons never left the property.

My first thought was the armorer screwed up.
 

Red Baron

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'Rust' movie budget and salaries revealed: What Alec Baldwin, the armorer, and crew were paid

The independent Western movie was reportedly going to cost a total of $7,279,305 and just $7,913 was armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed's fee

By Jessica Napoli FOXBusiness

As the investigation into the fatal "Rust" movie shooting continues, the Western's lower budget and salaries for producers, actors, and the armorer have been revealed.

In a new report from The Hollywood Reporter star/producer Alec Baldwin, who shot and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza on the New Mexico set, was going to earn $150,000 as the lead and another $100,000 as a producer through his company, El Dorado Productions, according to a preliminary budget dated Sept. 8, 2021.

The independent drama was allegedly going to cost a total of $7,279,305 and just $7,913 was armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed's fee plus another $7,469 for "armorer crew."

$17,500 was allocated for weapons rentals and $5,000 was the cost for rounds, per the report. Another $5,000 was slated for squibs (special effects explosives), per the report.

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This aerial photo shows the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe, N.M., Saturday, Oct. 23, 2021. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

Souza was earning $221,872 for directing and the late Hutchins was set to make $48,945. First assistant director Dave Halls, who handed the gun to Baldwin per Santa Fe sheriff’s affidavits, was earning $52,830.

Line producer Gabrielle Pickle, who was reportedly in charge of hiring crew and overseeing the budget plus the production, was earning $96,198.

"Rust" began shooting in early October and production included 75 crewmembers, 22 principal actors, and 230 background talent, per docs filed with the New Mexico Film Office.

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Actor/producer Alec Baldwin fired a prop gun on the set of a Western being filmed at the ranch on Thursday, Oct. 21, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

The film was also going to feature horses and livestock as well which was going to cost $126,702: $12,000 for the trained horses, $1,000 for a puppy, and $1,250 for hogs.

A source familiar with smaller-scale productions told THR, "I would say this movie will be a struggle, but I wouldn’t say it would have crashed and burned. I’m not sure why they needed six producers taking fees. They’d be falling all over each other if they’re really on set. But it’s not unheard of."

Those producers included: Allen Cheney and Ryan Donnell Smith via their Thomasville Pictures taking a $150,000 fee; Nathan Klingher and Ryan Winterstern’s Short Porch Pictures taking $150,000.

Baldwin and Souza’s manager, Matt DelPiano (also a first-time producer), was being paid $150,000; and Anjul Nigam was taking home $100,000. Sources told THR that the producers had not yet been paid when production was shut down following the incident on Oct. 21.

Hotel rooms were also accounted for. According to the report, $25,000 was set aside for five producers and $95,200 was for 21 members of the crew.

Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has not filed charges against any cast or crew member yet and no arrests have been made.

'Rust' movie budget and salaries revealed: What Alec Baldwin, the armorer, and crew were paid | Fox Business
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
After the A-list actor had it in his hand, a projectile flew out of the barrel, striking Hutchins in the torso before lodging itself in Souza’s shoulder.
Testimony like this is proof positive that the incident is not Baldwin's fault, it's the dam barrels fault for letting the projectile fly out.

The real sad part is lefties that know nothing about guns (other than guns go around killing people and need to be banned) will believe this bullshit.
 

Macgyver

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Lawsuit Against Alec Baldwin And Others Claims Gun Was Not Needed During Scene When Crew Member Was Killed

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Published November 10, 2021 at 7:56pm
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The unintentional shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins while working on the set of “Rust” has resulted in one of the film’s crew members bringing legal action against key individuals in the case.
As reported by Rolling Stone, the film’s producers (which include actor Alec Baldwin, who shot Hutchins) and armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, as well as assistant director Dave Halls, are being sued for negligence.
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According to the publication, the complaint claims that Halls failed to follow necessary safety procedures before declaring that the pistol was “cold,” which means that there were no live bullets in the gun.
Baldwin is chastised for not independently checking the gun’s safety before firing it. Furthermore, according to The New York Times, the lawsuit points out that the scenario they were filming at the time apparently did not necessitate the use of a gun.

“Simply put, there was no reason for a live bullet to be placed in that .45 Colt revolver or to be present anywhere on the Rust set, and the presence of a bullet in that revolver posed a lethal threat to everyone in its vicinity,” according to the complaint, which was reported by Rolling Stone.


Aside from that, Svetnoy is criticizing Gutierrez-Reed and the production crew for not having enough armorers on-site to guarantee that everything was done in an appropriate manner.



Specifically, the lawsuit claims that “Each of the producer defendants knew, or certainly should have known, that injury or death was substantially certain to occur if the armorer and prop manager they hired to oversee and manage the firearms and ammunition did not or could not properly and safely discharge their duties and responsibilities per industry standards.”


The lawsuit claims that the gunshot apparently missed Svetnoy by a hair and that he was the primary person in charge of caring for Hutchins in the immediate aftermath of Hutchins’ death.


It was in response to this circumstance that he voiced his emotions on social media last month, in which he called out the “unprofessionalism” that he believes may have resulted in the death of Hutchins and the injuries of film director Joel Souza.

“Yes, I was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Halyna during this fatal shot that took her life and injured the director Joel Souza. I was holding her in my arms while she was dying. Her blood was on my hands,” he claimed.


“I want to tell my opinion on why this has happened. I think I have the right to do it. It’s the fault of negligence and unprofessionalism,” he continued. “The negligence from the person who was supposed to check the weapon on the site did not do this; the person who had to announce that the loaded gun was on the site did not do this; the person who should have checked this weapon before bringing it to the set did not do it. And the DEATH OF THE HUMAN IS THE RESULT!”




A little later in the facebook post, he appears to have taken a shot at the producers for employing Gutierrez-Reed.


“To save a dime sometimes, you hire people who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job, and you risk the lives of the other people who are close and your lives as well.”


Svetnoy is correct in bringing a lawsuit against the parties involved since it is evident that the unintentional death was the product of negligence. If his recent message is any indicator, he is now suffering through an inconceivable degree of trauma.







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Hutchins would very likely still be alive today if the producers had paid more attention to detail and hadn’t been so concerned with expediency.


Unfortunate events such as this one should serve as warning for the entertainment industry as a whole, proper gun saftey should be of utmost importance on the set of major Hollywood productions.
 

winodog

The Bible is a flat earth book
Looks like I forgot to place a link on that news story I posted. I accept my punishment and the harsh words that went with it. May I never do it again.
 

Dennis Olson

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Harsh words? You mean like “please note that all news stories require a link”? Yeah, that’s harsh. :rolleyes:
 

Red Baron

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Can we agree to stop calling it “a prop gun” .

I guess that is a poorly chosen Hollywood term.

A gun is a gun. Especially if it can fire real ammunition.

Which is the the heart of the problem. Using real guns to play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians.
 
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The Snack Artist

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Baldwin is chastised for not independently checking the gun’s safety before firing it. I took this as to mean the gun's safety which there is none on a Colt .45. However after reading the piece again the writer meant that he didn't check to see if the gun was safe to use as a prop. As in NO live rounds or NO rounds whatsoever.

He was playacting like a 5 year old with Dad's gun. The idiot knew nothing about guns or gun safety. He had NO business handling anything more dangerous than a pair of scissors. "It's a tragedy", my ass.
 

Housecarl

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Though it was a live round that was involved, this info is still relevent......HC

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thompson

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2nd ‘Rust’ Crew Member Sues Alec Baldwin: ‘He Did Not Check the Gun Himself,’ No Firing in Upcoming Scene

AWR Hawkins
17 Nov 2021

Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor for the unfinished film Rust, filed suit against its lead actor and producer Alec Baldwin Wednesday, declaring “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide” from responsibility for the fatal on-set shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded the movie’s director.

Deadline quoted from Mitchell’s filing, which says, “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide behind the Assistant Director to attempt to excuse the fact that he did not check the gun himself.”

Mitchell’s complaint also alleges: “Alec Baldwin intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired the loaded gun even though the upcoming scene to be filmed did not call for the cocking and firing of the firearm.”

The Associated Press notes that the suit indicates Mitchell “was standing next to Hutchins and within 4 feet (1.22 meters) of [Baldwin], and was stunned when he fired the gun inside the tiny church on Bonanza Creek Ranch on Oct. 21.”

The suit claims, “Mr. Baldwin chose to play Russian roulette when he fired a gun without checking it, and without having the armorer do so in his presence.”

Mitchell is represented by Gloria Allred. Her suit is also against Rust producers, Rust production companies, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, and others.

Breitbart News reported that Baldwin spoke to reporters on October 30, 2021, and told them he was “extremely interested” in limiting the use of firearms on movie sets.

Baldwin’s statement on limiting firearm usage came nine days after the fatal shooting on the Rust set.
 

West

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2nd ‘Rust’ Crew Member Sues Alec Baldwin: ‘He Did Not Check the Gun Himself,’ No Firing in Upcoming Scene

AWR Hawkins
17 Nov 2021

Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor for the unfinished film Rust, filed suit against its lead actor and producer Alec Baldwin Wednesday, declaring “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide” from responsibility for the fatal on-set shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded the movie’s director.

Deadline quoted from Mitchell’s filing, which says, “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide behind the Assistant Director to attempt to excuse the fact that he did not check the gun himself.”

Mitchell’s complaint also alleges: “Alec Baldwin intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired the loaded gun even though the upcoming scene to be filmed did not call for the cocking and firing of the firearm.”

The Associated Press notes that the suit indicates Mitchell “was standing next to Hutchins and within 4 feet (1.22 meters) of [Baldwin], and was stunned when he fired the gun inside the tiny church on Bonanza Creek Ranch on Oct. 21.”

The suit claims, “Mr. Baldwin chose to play Russian roulette when he fired a gun without checking it, and without having the armorer do so in his presence.”

Mitchell is represented by Gloria Allred. Her suit is also against Rust producers, Rust production companies, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, and others.

Breitbart News reported that Baldwin spoke to reporters on October 30, 2021, and told them he was “extremely interested” in limiting the use of firearms on movie sets.

Baldwin’s statement on limiting firearm usage came nine days after the fatal shooting on the Rust set.

It was a premeditated killing. She pissed him off or had something on him!
 

db cooper

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2nd ‘Rust’ Crew Member Sues Alec Baldwin: ‘He Did Not Check the Gun Himself,’ No Firing in Upcoming Scene

AWR Hawkins
17 Nov 2021

Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor for the unfinished film Rust, filed suit against its lead actor and producer Alec Baldwin Wednesday, declaring “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide” from responsibility for the fatal on-set shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and wounded the movie’s director.

Deadline quoted from Mitchell’s filing, which says, “Mr. Baldwin cannot hide behind the Assistant Director to attempt to excuse the fact that he did not check the gun himself.”

Mitchell’s complaint also alleges: “Alec Baldwin intentionally, without just cause or excuse, cocked and fired the loaded gun even though the upcoming scene to be filmed did not call for the cocking and firing of the firearm.”

The Associated Press notes that the suit indicates Mitchell “was standing next to Hutchins and within 4 feet (1.22 meters) of [Baldwin], and was stunned when he fired the gun inside the tiny church on Bonanza Creek Ranch on Oct. 21.”

The suit claims, “Mr. Baldwin chose to play Russian roulette when he fired a gun without checking it, and without having the armorer do so in his presence.”

Mitchell is represented by Gloria Allred. Her suit is also against Rust producers, Rust production companies, armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed, and others.

Breitbart News reported that Baldwin spoke to reporters on October 30, 2021, and told them he was “extremely interested” in limiting the use of firearms on movie sets.

Baldwin’s statement on limiting firearm usage came nine days after the fatal shooting on the Rust set.
I have a feeling Baldwin is toast. With Mitchell being that close and fully aware of what should have happened and witnessed first hand what Baldwin did will mean a lot in a trial. Add to this all the other witnesses and physical evidence she should win her civil suit. And with the testimony and evidence Baldwin should be charged as a criminal to go to jail. The latter will never happen.
 

Dennis Olson

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I guess that is a poorly chosen Hollywood term.

A gun is a gun. Especially if it can fire real ammunition.

Which is the the heart of the problem. Using real guns to play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians.
It was a prop gun within the scope of the film.
 

Tripod

Veteran Member
Baldwin shows a net worth of about 60 million. Five good lawsuits that drain him of 12 million each helps put him in a tent under an LA Bridge.
I like your idea but you can bank on baldwin had already moved his money and assets for protection the day this all went down.
Mike
 

Satanta

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I like your idea but you can bank on baldwin had already moved his money and assets for protection the day this all went down.
Mike

Sure, if he is Stupid. Otherwise all that would have been moved and hidden years ago. I think he is an asshole but likely not Stupid.
 

jward

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Investigators track ammunition in fatal film set shooting
By MORGAN LEEyesterday


FILE - This aerial photo shows the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe, N.M., on Saturday, Oct. 23, 2021. The person in charge of weapons on the movie set at the ranch where actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins said Wednesday night, Nov. 3 that she suspects someone put in a live bullet in the prop gun that Baldwin shot. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)

FILE - This aerial photo shows the Bonanza Creek Ranch in Santa Fe, N.M., on Saturday, Oct. 23, 2021. The person in charge of weapons on the movie set at the ranch where actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot cinematographer Halyna Hutchins said Wednesday night, Nov. 3 that she suspects someone put in a live bullet in the prop gun that Baldwin shot. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong, File)

SANTA FE, N.M. (AP) — Authorities pursued new leads Tuesday on possible sources of live ammunition involved in actor Alec Baldwin’s fatal shooting of a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of a western movie, as they searched the premises of an Albuquerque-based firearms and ammunition supplier.
The search took place after a provider of firearms and ammunition to the ill fated movie production for “Rust” told investigators that he “may know” where live rounds came from, describing ammunition he received from a friend in the past that had been “reloaded” by assembly from parts.
A revolver fired by Baldwin during a “Rust” rehearsal on Oct. 21 killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and left a projectile lodged in the shoulder of director Joel Souza, for doctors later to remove. Baldwin was told the revolver was “cold” and had no live rounds, investigators say.

Seth Kenney and his business PDQ Arm & Prop provided movie-prop ammunition and weapons to the “Rust” production. Kenney told a detective on Oct. 29 that “a couple years back, he received ‘reloaded ammunition’ from a friend,” and that the ammunition stood out in his memory because of a star-shaped company logo, according to an affidavit from the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office that is leading the investigation.
Kenney could not be reached independently for comment. A sheriff’s office spokesman declined to elaborate on details in the search warrant.
Investigators initially found 500 rounds of ammunition at the movie set on the outskirts of Santa Fe — a mix of blanks, dummy rounds and what appeared to be live rounds. Industry experts have said live rounds should never be on set.
Investigators have described “some complacency” in how weapons were handled on the “Rust” set. They have said it is too soon to determine whether charges will be filed, amid independent civil lawsuits concerning liability in the fatal shooting.
Tuesday’s search-warrant affidavit contains some new details about the handling and loading of the gun that killed Hutchins before it was handed to Baldwin by an assistant director.

Investigators say that the armorer on the film, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, loaded the gun with five dummy rounds on Oct. 21, but struggled to add a sixth round before a lunch break, when the revolver was locked in a truck. The final round was added after lunch when the gun was cleaned.
Gutierrez Reed “stated the guns were checked on set, however she ‘didn’t really check it too much’ (the firearm), due to it being locked up at lunch,” according to the new affidavit.
Another movie crew member — the prop master for “Rust” — told investigators that ammunition was purchased from at least three sources for the production.
Jason Bowles, an attorney for Gutierrez Reed, called the search for evidence in Albuquerque a huge step forward toward determining the source of ammunition on the “Rust” set.
Investigators also described conversations with Gutierrez Reed’s father — sharpshooter and movie consultant Thell Reed, who isn’t listed as a participant on “Rust.”

Thell Reed said that prior to the “Rust” production he supplied Kenney with a can of live ammunition, during a firing-range training session for film actors. Reed said Kenney took a can of that ammunition back to New Mexico.
After the shooting, the prop master on the set shook a box of dummy rounds on the set for their characteristic rattle and said they did not rattle, possibly indicating live rounds.

 

ShadowMan

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Saw the Baldwin B.S. interview tonight on the evening news. HE SAYS that he didn't pull the trigger. Sorry Alec, but a Colt Peacemaker can't fire if the HAMMER IS NOT PULLED BACK AND the TRIGGERED PULLED!! He is SOOOOOO full of crap it's not even funny. He pulled the hammer back to full lock AND pulled the trigger. There is no other way for that pistol to fire. NONE!!

And I don't care what anyone says. If you pick up a firearm YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens. YOU are responsible for ensuring the weapon is safe....PERIOD. Doesn't matter what anyone else tells you. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!
 

Griz3752

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I have a very close family member who is both a prop master and an armorer. The day after this happened his phone was blowing up and the general concensus among his colleagues is that it was the armorers fault. I’m going to copy the above image that he was sent because it’s so tiny and I can’t figure out how to enlarge it.
It says...
“I work in props. Apparently the armorer went off between takes and shot live rounds out of the Colt .45 between takes. The armorer forgot to clear the weapon, so there was still a live round chambered. As a props guy, I can confirm this is absolutely ****ing unacceptable, and the armorer is the one who should be held accountable.”

I do not know the person who wrote the above statement. It was sent to my family member.
I have some hands-on in that world and was always told an armourer, being responsible for safe use of any device under his/her control, had the authority to shut production down to preserve a safe environment. The posted statement also points a very fundamental failure of proper firearms usage.

I have no opinion on Baldwin (except I've never found any of that lot to be worth the time of day) but, an actor needs to rely on the techs to keep everyone safe. An actor also needs to be thoroughly schooled in safe firearms handling & operation, regardless of his/her stance on 2A.

More & more hypocritical bull shyte; everything is OK so long as the business is profitable. Everyone in ownership & leadership in this situation are culpable for not following established safe protocols; they should all be charged.

Live ammo on a set is beyond stupid.
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
Saw the Baldwin B.S. interview tonight on the evening news. HE SAYS that he didn't pull the trigger. Sorry Alec, but a Colt Peacemaker can't fire if the HAMMER IS NOT PULLED BACK AND the TRIGGERED PULLED!! He is SOOOOOO full of crap it's not even funny. He pulled the hammer back to full lock AND pulled the trigger. There is no other way for that pistol to fire. NONE!!

And I don't care what anyone says. If you pick up a firearm YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens. YOU are responsible for ensuring the weapon is safe....PERIOD. Doesn't matter what anyone else tells you. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!
Baldwin is now using the liberal playbook, he is now playing the victim. So the BS he is spouting is him playing a role and playing on the sympathy of the idiots that will believe him and the media that will go along because of him being a Trump hater.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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I have some hands-on in that world and was always told an armourer, being responsible for safe use of any device under his/her control, had the authority to shut production down to preserve a safe environment. The posted statement also points a very fundamental failure of proper firearms usage.

I have no opinion on Baldwin (except I've never found any of that lot to be worth the time of day) but, an actor needs to rely on the techs to keep everyone safe. An actor also needs to be thoroughly schooled in safe firearms handling & operation, regardless of his/her stance on 2A.

More & more hypocritical bull shyte; everything is OK so long as the business is profitable. Everyone in ownership & leadership in this situation are culpable for not following established safe protocols; they should all be charged.

Live ammo on a set is beyond stupid.

There are cases and situations where live ammo would be used. But live would be separated from dummy rounds. That they were even mixed or even close together is the real safety violation.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Saw the Baldwin B.S. interview tonight on the evening news. HE SAYS that he didn't pull the trigger. Sorry Alec, but a Colt Peacemaker can't fire if the HAMMER IS NOT PULLED BACK AND the TRIGGERED PULLED!! He is SOOOOOO full of crap it's not even funny. He pulled the hammer back to full lock AND pulled the trigger. There is no other way for that pistol to fire. NONE!!

And I don't care what anyone says. If you pick up a firearm YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for what happens. YOU are responsible for ensuring the weapon is safe....PERIOD. Doesn't matter what anyone else tells you. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!

To hear it, I was expecting him to blame Harvey the Rabbit next. Yeah, Baldwin's comments don't help him at all.
 
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