HEALTH Airborn Spread of Ebola

Heretic

Inactive
I had to stop by the library on the way home from a day of work and unfun helping a colleague with a video production. More on that Wednesday....

I wasn't sure if I should add this to one of the Ebola threads and if so which one, so I decided to make it a stand alone.

Ebola is in the news. (Yea real bright Sherlock)

While most (>99.999%) of all human to human spread has been via bodily fluids, it is accepted that a vanishingly small percentage may be spread through the air.
From Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone" it is well known that Ebola Reston was spread from monkey to monkey with no direct contact, it is presumed the vector was airborne as Monkey's spread throughout the research facility became infected.

Terry
(Youall may want to go to the link to read the article, the formating sucks!!!! and I don't have time to fix it today.)
The CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/ebola/Ebola_airline.pdf> says: (sorry for the bad formating, cut and paste is flaky from PDFss
"Interim Guidance about Ebola Virus Infection for Airline Flight Crews, Cargo and Cleaning Personnel, and Personnel Interacting with Arriving Passengers

This interim guidance is intended to assist commercial passenger airlines, cargo and charter carriers, and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Bureau of Customs and Border Protection (BCBP), and other relevant agencies in establishing appropriate precautions for Ebola virus infection. Recommendations are based on standard infection control practices and on available epidemio
logic information about the Ebola virus.

Overview of Ebola Disease

Ebola hemorrhagic fever is a severe, often fatal disease in humans and nonhuman primates (monkeys, gorillas, and chimpanzees).
The disease is caused by infection with Ebola virus, named
after
a river in the Democratic
Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire) in Africa, where it was first recognized
in 1976
. The virus is one of two
members of a family of RNA viruses called the Filoviridae. There are f
ive identified species of Ebola virus. Four
of the five have caused disease in humans:
Zaire ebolavirus,
Sudan ebolavirus, Cote d'Ivoire ebolavirus
. and
Bundibugyo ebolavirus. The fifth,
Reston ebolavirus, has caused disease in nonhuman primates and was associated
with disease in pigs, but no disease has been described in humans.
Although the disease is rare, it has the potential for person
-
to
-
person s
pread, especially among health
-
care staff
and family members or others who care for the patient. Transmission to humans may occur through direct
contact with blood or body fluids (e.g., saliva, and urine) of an infected person or animal or through contact
with objects that have been contaminated with the blood or other body fluids of an infected person. Spread of
the virus between humans has occurred in settings of close contact* with infected persons, such as in hospitals.
The likelihood of contracting an
y viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF), including
Ebola
, is considered extremely low
unless there has been travel to the affected area and direct contact with the body fluids of symptomatic infected
persons or animals or with objects that have been contaminated w
ith body fluids. The cause of fever in persons
who have traveled or live in areas where VHF is present is more likely to be a common infectious disease, but
such persons would need to be evaluated by a health
-
care provider to be sure.
The incubation perio
d for Ebola hemorrhagic fever ranges from 2 to 21 days.
Early symptoms of
the disease
include
with sudden fever, chills, and muscle aches. Around the fifth day after onset of symptoms, a skin rash
can occur. Nausea, vomiting, chest pain, a sore throat, ab
dominal pain, and diarrhea may follow. Symptoms
become increasingly severe and may include jaundice, severe weight loss, mental confusion, shock, and multi
-
organ failure.
The prevention of
Ebola
virus infection includes measures to avoid contact with bloo
d and body fluids of
infected individuals and with objects contaminated with these fluids (e.g., syringes).
When to See a Health
-
care Provider
Any personnel who think they have been exposed to
Ebola
virus either through travel, assisting an ill passenger
,
handlin
g a contaminated package, or cleaning a contaminated aircra
ft should take the following precautions:

Notify your employer immediately.

Monitor your health for
21
days following the exposure. If you develop sudden fever, chills, muscle
aches, ras
h, or other symptoms consistent with
Ebola
virus infection, you should seek immediate
medical attention.
o
Before visiting a doctor’s office, alert the health
-
care provider, clinic, or emergency room in
advance about the possible exposure to
Ebol
a
virus, so
that arrangements can be made to prevent
transmission to others in the
health
-
care setting.
o
When traveling to a health
-
care provider, limit your contact with others. All other travel should
be avoided.
General Infection Control Precautions
Personnel sh
ould always follow basic infection control precautions to protect against any type of infectious
disease. For information about these precautions see
IATA's Guidelines for
Suspected Communicable Diseases
.
Guidance for Airline
Crews
Management of possible exposure to
Ebola
virus
Crew members
on a flight with a passenger who is
ill with a
fever, jaundice, and/or bleeding
and who is
travelin
g from an area in which
Ebola
cases have been reported should follow these precautions:

Keep the sick person separated from close contact* with others as much as possible.

Provide the sick passenger with a surgical mask (if the passenger can tolerate wearing one) to reduce the
number of droplets expelled into the air by talking, sneezing, o
r coughing.

Tissues can be given to those who cannot tolerate a mask.

Personnel should wear disposable gloves for direct contact with blood or other body fluids (see
IATA's
Guidelines for Suspected Communicable Diseases
).

T
he captain of an airliner bound for the United States is required by law to report to the nearest
U.S.
Quarantine Station
any ill passengers who meet
specified criteria
. The ill passenger should be reported
before arrival or as soon as the illness is noted. Quarantine officials will help arrange for medical
assistance to be available when the airpla
ne lands and will work with the airline, state and local health
department officials, and CDC headquarters to assist with medical transportation of the patient upon
arrival, disease control and containment measures, passenger and crew notification, surveil
lance
activities, and airline disinfection procedures.
If exposure occurs abroad
Airline flight crew should familiarize themselves with the symptoms of
Ebola
hemorrhagic fever
.
Personnel who think they have been exposed to
Ebola
virus and who develop symptoms during travel should
take th
e following actions:

Notify your employer for help in locating a health
-
care provider. Inform the employer about the possible
exposure to
Eb
ola
virus, and ask about health
-
care options. If you become ill while outside the United
States, the U.S. embassy or consulate can also provide names and addresses of local physicians.

Before visiting a doctor’s office, alert the health
-
care provider, cli
nic, or emergency room in advance
about the possible exposure to
Ebola
virus so that arrangements can be made to prevent transmission to
others in the health
-
care setting.

When traveling to a health
-
care provider, limit your contact with others. All other
travel should be
avoided.
Guidance for Air Cargo Personnel
Packages should not ordinarily pose a risk to package delivery employees.
Ebola
virus is spread via direct
contact
with blood or body fluids (e.g., urine, saliva) from an infected individual.

P
ackages visibly soiled with blood or body fluids should not be handled.

Cargo handlers should wash their hands often for prevention of all infectious diseases (see
IATA's
Guidelines for Suspected Communicable Diseases
).
Guida
nce for Airline Cleaning Personnel
Ebola
virus is transmitted by close contact* with a person who has symptoms of
Ebola
infection. Once
passengers have left an aircraft, the main source of infection will have been removed. However, infectious
blood and/or
body fluids that may remain on surfaces of the aircraft interior may pose a risk of infection if those
particles come into direct contact with a person’s eyes, nose, or mouth. Therefore, frequent hand washing is of
primary importance for all personnel wor
king on commercial passenger aircraft (see
IATA's Guidelines for
Suspected Communicable Diseases
).
In addition, the captain of an airliner bound for the United States is required by law to report any ill passenger
who meets sp
ecified criteria to the nearest
U.S. Quarantine Station
. The airline’s ground and cleaning crews
should be notified at the same time so that preparations can be made for cleaning the airc
raft after passengers
have disembarked. When cleaning commercial passenger aircraft after a flight with a possible
Ebola
hemorrhagic fev
er patient, personnel should follow the precautions described below.

Wear nonsterile disposable gloves while cleaning t
he passenger cabin and lavatories.

Wipe down passenger lavatory surfaces and frequently touched surfaces in the passenger cabin, such as
armrests, seat backs, tray tables, light and air controls, and adjacent walls and windows with an
Environmental Protec
tion Agency (EPA)
-
registered low
-
or intermediate
-
level chemical household
germicide. Bleach can be used in the absence of an EPA
-
registered germicide. Areas of contamination
with dried secretions should be washed with a 1% sodium hypochlorite solution (bl
each) or hospital
-
approved disinfectant. Allow surfaces to air dry in accordance with manufacturers’ instructions.

Special cleaning of upholstery, carpets, or storage compartments is not indicated unless obviously soiled
with fresh blood or body fluids. B
ody fluid or blood spills should be covered with a 1% sodium
hypochlorite solution (bleach) and allowed to remain for 30 minutes prior to wiping.

There currently is no evidence to suggest that special vacuuming equipment or procedures are necessary.

Do n
ot use compressed air, which might re
-
aerosolize infectious material.

If a seat cover is obviously soiled with blood or body fluids, it should be removed and discarded by the
methods typically used for contaminated items.

Throw used gloves away according
to the company’s recommended infection control precautions, when
cleaning is done and if they become soiled or damaged during cleaning .

Clean hands with soap and water (or waterless alcohol
-
based hand rub when soap is not available)
immediately after gl
oves are removed.
Guidance for Personnel Who Interact with Arriving Passengers
TSA, BCBP, and other personnel who interact with passengers arriving from areas affected by
Ebola
disease
should keep in mind that the cause of fever in persons who have trave
led or live in areas where VHF occurs is
more likely to be a common infectious disease. However, personnel who have to detain or assist a passenger ill
wi
th a
fever, jaundice (yellow skin and eyes), and/or bleeding should follow these precautions:
"
 

Petunia

Veteran Member
Here you go:

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/abroad/airline-workers.html

Interim Guidance about Ebola Virus Infection for Airline Flight Crews, Cargo and Cleaning Personnel, and Personnel Interacting with Arriving Passengers

This interim guidance is intended to assist commercial passenger airlines, cargo and charter carriers, and the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Bureau of Customs and Border Protection (BCBP), and other relevant agencies in establishing appropriate precautions for Ebola virus infection. Recommendations are based on standard infection control practices and on available epidemiologic information about the Ebola virus.

Overview of Ebola Disease
Ebola hemorrhagic fever is a severe, often-fatal disease in humans and nonhuman primates (monkeys, gorillas, and chimpanzees). The disease is caused by infection with Ebola virus, named after a river in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (formerly Zaire) in Africa, where it was first recognized in 1976. The virus is one of two members of a family of RNA viruses called the Filoviridae. There are five identified species of Ebola virus. Four of the five have caused disease in humans: Zaire ebolavirus, Sudan ebolavirus, Cote d'Ivoire ebolavirus, and Bundibugyo ebolavirus. The fifth, Reston ebolavirus, has caused disease in nonhuman primates and was associated with disease in pigs, but no disease have been described in humans.

Although the disease is rare, it has the potential for person-to-person spread, especially among health-care staff and family members or others who care for the patient. Transmission to humans may occur through direct contact with blood or body fluids (e.g., saliva, and urine) of an infected person or animal or through contact with objects that have been contaminated with the blood or other body fluids of an infected person. Spread of the virus between humans has occurred in settings of close contact* with infected persons, such as in hospitals.

The likelihood of contracting any viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF), including Ebola, is considered extremely low unless there has been travel to the affected area and direct contact with the body fluids of symptomatic infected persons or animals or with objects that have been contaminated with body fluids. The cause of fever in persons who have traveled or live in areas where VHF is present is more likely to be a common infectious disease, but such persons would need to be evaluated by a health-care provider to be sure.

The incubation period for Ebola hemorrhagic fever ranges from 2 to 21 days. Early symptoms of the disease include with sudden fever, chills, and muscle aches. Around the fifth day after onset of symptoms, a skin rash can occur. Nausea, vomiting, chest pain, a sore throat, abdominal pain, and diarrhea may follow. Symptoms become increasingly severe and may include jaundice, severe weight loss, mental confusion, shock, and multi-organ failure.

The prevention of Ebola virus infection includes measures to avoid contact with blood and body fluids of infected individuals and with objects contaminated with these fluids (e.g., syringes).

When to See a Health-care Provider
Any personnel who think they have been exposed to Ebola virus either through travel, assisting an ill passenger, handling a contaminated package, or cleaning a contaminated aircraft should take the following precautions:
•Notify your employer immediately.
•Monitor your health for 21 days following the exposure. If you develop sudden fever, chills, muscle aches, rash, or other symptoms consistent with Ebola virus infection, you should seek immediate medical attention.
•Before visiting a doctor's office, alert the health-care provider, clinic, or emergency room in advance about the possible exposure to Ebola virus, so that arrangements can be made to prevent transmission to others in the health-care setting.
•When traveling to a health-care provider, limit your contact with others. All other travel should be avoided.

General Infection Control Precautions
Personnel should always follow basic infection control precautions to protect against any type of infectious disease.

Management of possible exposure to Ebola virus
Crew members on a flight with a passenger who is ill with a fever, jaundice, and/or bleeding and who is traveling from an area in which Ebola cases have been reported should follow these precautions:
•Keep the sick person separated from close contact* with others as much as possible.
•Provide the sick passenger with a surgical mask (if the passenger can tolerate wearing one) to reduce the number of droplets expelled into the air by talking, sneezing, or coughing.
•Tissues can be given to those who cannot tolerate a mask.
•Personnel should wear disposable gloves for direct contact with blood or other body fluids.
•The captain of an airliner bound for the United States is required by law to report to the nearest U.S. Quarantine Station any ill passengers who meet specified criteria. The ill passenger should be reported before arrival or as soon as the illness is noted. Quarantine officials will help arrange for medical assistance to be available when the airplane lands and will work with the airline, state and local health department officials, and CDC headquarters to assist with medical transportation of the patient upon arrival, disease control and containment measures, passenger and crew notification, surveillance activities, and airline disinfection procedures.

If exposure occurs abroad
Airline flight crew should familiarize themselves with the symptoms of Ebola hemorrhagic fever.
Personnel who think they have been exposed to Ebola virus and who develop symptoms during travel should take the following actions:
•Notify your employer for help in locating a health-care provider. Inform the employer about the possible exposure to Ebola virus, and ask about health-care options. If you become ill while outside the United States, the U.S. embassy or consulate can also provide names and addresses of local physicians.
•Before visiting a doctor's office, alert the health-care provider, clinic, or emergency room in advance about the possible exposure to Ebola virus so that arrangements can be made to prevent transmission to others in the health-care setting.
•When traveling to a health-care provider, limit your contact with others. All other travel should be avoided.

Guidance for Air Cargo Personnel
Packages should not ordinarily pose a risk to package delivery employees. Ebola virus is spread via direct contact with blood or body fluids (e.g., urine, saliva) from an infected individual.
•Packages visibly soiled with blood or body fluids should not be handled.
•Cargo handlers should wash their hands often for prevention of all infectious diseases.

Guidance for Airline Cleaning Personnel
Ebola virus is transmitted by close contact* with a person who has symptoms of Ebola infection. Once passengers have left an aircraft, the main source of infection will have been removed. However, infectious blood and/or body fluids that may remain on surfaces of the aircraft interior may pose a risk of infection if those particles come into direct contact with a person's eyes, nose, or mouth. Therefore, frequent hand washing is of primary importance for all personnel working on commercial passenger aircraft.

In addition, the captain of an airliner bound for the United States is required by law to report any ill passenger who meets specified criteria to the nearest U.S. Quarantine Station. The airline's ground and cleaning crews should be notified at the same time so that preparations can be made for cleaning the aircraft after passengers have disembarked. When cleaning commercial passenger aircraft after a flight with a possible Ebola hemorrhagic fever patient, personnel should follow the precautions described below.
•Wear nonsterile disposable gloves while cleaning the passenger cabin and lavatories.
•Wipe down passenger lavatory surfaces and frequently touched surfaces in the passenger cabin, such as armrests, seat backs, tray tables, light and air controls, and adjacent walls and windows with an Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-registered low- or intermediate-level chemical household germicide. Bleach can be used in the absence of an EPA-registered germicide. Areas of contamination with dried secretions should be washed with a 1% sodium hypochlorite solution (bleach) or hospital-approved disinfectant. Allow surfaces to air dry in accordance with manufacturers' instructions.
•Special cleaning of upholstery, carpets, or storage compartments is not indicated unless obviously soiled with fresh blood or body fluids. Body fluid or blood spills should be covered with a 1% sodium hypochlorite solution (bleach) and allowed to remain for 30 minutes prior to wiping.
•There currently is no evidence to suggest that special vacuuming equipment or procedures are necessary.
•Do not use compressed air, which might re-aerosolize infectious material.
•If a seat cover is obviously soiled with blood or body fluids, it should be removed and discarded by the methods typically used for contaminated items.
•Throw used gloves away according to the company's recommended infection control precautions, when cleaning is done and if they become soiled or damaged during cleaning.
•Clean hands with soap and water (or waterless alcohol-based hand rub when soap is not available) immediately after gloves are removed.

Guidance for Personnel Who Interact with Arriving Passengers
TSA, BCBP, and other personnel who interact with passengers arriving from areas affected by Ebola disease should keep in mind that the cause of fever in persons who have traveled or live in areas where VHF occurs is more likely to be a common infectious disease. However, personnel who have to detain or assist a passenger ill with a fever, jaundice (yellow skin and eyes), and/or bleeding should follow these precautions:
•Keep the ill passenger separated from the other passengers as much as possible. Personnel should immediately contact the appropriate authorities, such as the U.S. Quarantine Station with local jurisdiction and Emergency Medical Services.
•Provide the sick passenger with a surgical mask (if the passenger can tolerate wearing one) to reduce the number of droplets expelled into the air by talking, sneezing, or coughing.
•Tissues can be given to those who cannot tolerate a mask.
•Personnel should wear disposable gloves for direct contact with the ill person’s blood or other body fluids.
•Clean hands with soap and water (or waterless alcohol-based hand rub when soap is not available) immediately after gloves are removed.

* Close contact is defined as having cared for or lived with a person known to have Ebola disease or having a high likelihood of direct contact with blood or body fluids of a Ebola patient. Examples of close contact include kissing or embracing, sharing eating or drinking utensils, close conversation (<3 feet), physical examination, and any other direct physical contact between persons. Close contact does not include activities such as walking by a person or briefly sitting across a room.
•For more information about Ebola infections, see: Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever.
•For information about hemorrhagic fevers and precautionary measures, see: VHF Disease Information
•For situational updates about outbreaks, see: World Health Organization Disease Outbreak NewsExternal Web Site Icon.
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Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
IF Ebola ever mutates into a virus that can mostly be spread using the aerial vector, we will see one to two BILLION people die.
 

rummer

Veteran Member
Very true about it being airborn. That facility was, located in reston virginia. That is how it got its name.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
I've read the Hot Zone, although it may be fiction it's considered a very close approximation of what would happen in reality. It was well researched and scientifically accurate for the most part with the exception that Ebola has not yet been proven to be transmitted via infectious airborne agents...at least not in nature. Ebola Reston is thought to be the exception.

A good book on the subject is called Germs by Judith Miller. She references Hot Zone several times on the subject of it's realism and accuracy.

Another one that heavily influenced Slick Willy to ramp up US bio-defenses was The Cobra Event. Fiction but highly plausible. Chances are pretty good that the .gov already has some sort of chimera virus that uses Ebola combined with Flu or Small Pox or both even.

Ft. Detrick is far too close for my comfort.
 

Heretic

Inactive
I've read the Hot Zone, although it may be fiction it's considered a very close approximation of what would happen in reality. It was well researched and scientifically accurate for the most part with the exception that Ebola has not yet been proven to be transmitted via infectious airborne agents...at least not in nature. Ebola Reston is thought to be the exception.

A good book on the subject is called Germs by Judith Miller. She references Hot Zone several times on the subject of it's realism and accuracy.

Another one that heavily influenced Slick Willy to ramp up US bio-defenses was The Cobra Event. Fiction but highly plausible. Chances are pretty good that the .gov already has some sort of chimera virus that uses Ebola combined with Flu or Small Pox or both even.

Ft. Detrick is far too close for my comfort.

I think you are confussing the "Cobra Event" with "The Hot Zone".
"The Hot Zone" simply details Ebola with interviews with doctors who had actual experience with Ebola.
No fiction at all.

The book is copyright 1994, so it is getting kind of dated, but the basic facts are still reasonably accurate.

I loaned my copy (stupid stupid stupid!!!!) and never got it back. I just received a copy from the interlibrary loan to reread.

I am have a copy of the Cobra Event on request....

>IF< Ebola had made the jump to easy airborne spread, there would be a lot more then ~200 dead.
At this point I am a lot more concerned about slipping in the shower, or getting clobbered again by a drunk, then Ebola...

And tinhats not withstanding, once this Ebola (or it's first cousin Marburg) makes the jump to easy airborne spread, it will be impossible to hide it for very long.

One major weakness EBola and Marburg both have is the virus is so primitive that it starts breaking down.
Most survivors come from patient step 4 or 5, and no outbreak so far has gone beyond 12 (or so) patient steps
0 Index infects his wife who becomes step 2, she infects her lover (for those sick and tired of my cheating threads...) who becomes step 3, who infects his wife, who becomes step 4, who infects her lover, who becomes step 5....

Ebola is really hard to catch. You have to have direct physical contact with someone who is actively ill, or recently died.

In Africa "one use" needles are resused until they are about as sharp as a carrot.
~$1 apiece is cheap until you have no money. They have to resuse them.

Terry
 
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VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
So is this EBOLA a manmade virus? Or was it tampered with and made so deadly? Is this something that walked out of a lab January along with 2 thousand other vials?
And certainly WE shouldn't be worried as the borders are still wide open and thousands of refugees flood in seeking the American Dream everyday in hopes of making this country brighter and happier and wealthier.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
With all this heightened fear and "readiness" to deal with "potential EBOLA" cases, WOULDN'T YOU JUST FEAR AND HATE what might happen to you if YOU got an ORDINARY, RUN OF THE MILL NOSEBLEED on an aircraft, or someone else did so and they quarrantined all the passengers on the plane "in case it is Ebola??"

Being on blood thinners and having fragile skin that tears and bleeds at the least abrasion, it makes for some apprehension about overreaction among airline staff.
 

Heretic

Inactive
If that is true then I hope it starts out in the middle east and Africa.

So far there isn't much, if anything, to suggest this anything other then a "normal' Ebola outbreak.
Most in the west have no idea how poor Africa is, or how pathetic the "medical" care is.
Many (most) outbreaks are made worse by the practice of reusing "one use" needles.
You can't autoclave (sterilize with heat) plastic needles (yea the needle is stainless steel, but the support 'post' is thermoplastic).
Consider the sterile gloves that many of our food workers wear, you know the thin, glingy PVC...they can't even afford those, much less real exam gloves.

Much of the health care is provided by people that know less then a scout who has had first aid training.

A large part of the population still believes in malevolent spirits and has no grasp of basic personal hygiene as we in west understand it.

Then there is the whole cultural issue of how the dead are 'disposed' of.

A great many things conspire to make Africa a nightmare of disease.....

Of course it doesn't help that people go hunting fruit bats (suspected reservoir and vector) for food...or eat bush meat, other high order primates... Somehow eating things that are likely to carry Ebola sounds like a meal plan I wanna miss.

In many ways I am always surprised Ebola outbreaks are so rare.

Terry
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
With all this heightened fear and "readiness" to deal with "potential EBOLA" cases, WOULDN'T YOU JUST FEAR AND HATE what might happen to you if YOU got an ORDINARY, RUN OF THE MILL NOSEBLEED on an aircraft, or someone else did so and they quarrantined all the passengers on the plane "in case it is Ebola??"

Being on blood thinners and having fragile skin that tears and bleeds at the least abrasion, it makes for some apprehension about overreaction among airline staff.

Well, unless you also had the truly bad luck to be running a high fever, I doubt it would take long for them to rule out anything more than a "high altitude" nosebleed.

Summerthyme
 

Heretic

Inactive
With all this heightened fear and "readiness" to deal with "potential EBOLA" cases, WOULDN'T YOU JUST FEAR AND HATE what might happen to you if YOU got an ORDINARY, RUN OF THE MILL NOSEBLEED on an aircraft, or someone else did so and they quarrantined all the passengers on the plane "in case it is Ebola??"

Being on blood thinners and having fragile skin that tears and bleeds at the least abrasion, it makes for some apprehension about overreaction among airline staff.

Can you imagine the opposite....
Someone who is on blood thinners and they let him go, and he is infected?

There is no good way to handle this, it boils down to does society have a right/duty to forcibly lock people with certain diseases up to protect the rest of society...

Back in 1959 (4th grade) a classmates mother was diagnosed with leprosy.
They (federal medical people) came and took her to Alabama.
She pleaded and begged, but they removed her to protect the rest of us.

My classmate was devastated and committed suicide when she turned 16.

Back then leprosy couldn't be treated.

Terry
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
They're coming to take me away he,he to the funny farm.


So is life!!!!!!


I want to go fishing.

I couldn't resist posting the rest of this song.....Ha Ha

Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave because I'd go berzerk?
Well, you left me anyhow and the days got worse and worse and now you see I've gone completely out of my mind.

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
and they're coming to take me away ha ha

You thought it was joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, right? You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad.

And they're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
They're coming to take me away ha ha...

I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you paid me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds. Huh? Well you just wait they'll find you yet, and when they do they'll put you in the ASPCA you mangy mutt.

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats
They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle thier thumbs and toes
They're coming to take me away Ha Ha Ha

Your home the one the bank foreclosed, You cried to me Monogamy is the way we both must live or you'll feel hurt. But, I see, I see there's someone new, your anxious poly-pure-bred coat was even gone at our place while I paid the rent, thanks!

And They're coming to take me away Ha Ha
They're coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like thorizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin
They're coming to take me away Ha Ha


Read more: Lard - They're Coming To Take Me Away Lyrics | MetroLyrics
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Yep, life does offer some breaks.

Yesterday, another one bit the dust where I currently live. Forth one in four moths. The cops came, two squad cars. I thought they were here for me.
 
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