TECH AI Can Now Write Songs for You (fun but a bit scary)

Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I am putting this on the main list (mods can move it to the community if you like) for at least a day or so because the implications of this are somewhat unnerving. I am sure this sort of thing will be old news to serious tech and IT people. Still, I had no idea computer songwriting had gotten this sophisticated when I saw an OP about this free (with a paid version optional) program on Zero Hedge where a guy got the computer to write and perform various songs about a huge fund. I then talked about some of the implications of this for things like music for commercials, radio, and lots of other things; as a musician, it piqued my interest. As a songwriter, I was intrigued and got the program. I tried for something I thought might scramble the brains of the thing and put it in (for my first try). Compose a song about Viking Warriors and Battle. To say I was somewhat taken aback is an understatement - especially by version one. If the link plays version two (I tried just to get rid of it, but it is interesting), the AI got a bit off track, and it doesn't sound like good folk music. The first one, however, is not too shabby. There are shades of folk artist Leslie Fish and some of the Iceland folk groups, but AI "Art" or "Music" is a case of stealing the best.

On the other hand, if you want to know why almost every song on the radio these days sounds like every song, I think I know why, and they are much more sophisticated about it than they were a few years ago. I can only imagine what the studios would do if this were a studio program. While this is a fun toy, the implications for professional songwriters and music people are grim. OK, the link will play—it will take you to the site. Hit play.

I present "Warriors of the North" by Suno AI - requested by Melodi Grundy - with a run time of about 1 minute and 22 seconds.
Warriors of the North | Suno
 
Melodi

Melodi

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Clicking here will go directly to the page
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Melodi

Melodi

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bw said:
It suggests a question: What hill does AI choose to die on?
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I don't know; I think the only way to kill it in the short term would be if authors, musicians, scientists, etc., successfully sued them for using their works without permission. For example, I'm sure some of Leslie's stuff went into Warriors of the North.

On the other hand, even in the unlikely event that these lawsuits favor the artists et al., the results will likely be monetary settlements and fines in the West, and they will be ignored entirely in places like China, India, and even Africa.

I realized that many movies will likely use paid versions of this to score their films. The biggest blockbusters may not, but many will.

At least with a lot of AI Art, the AI Artist (if they are honest and a real artist) uses the program to manipulate it to create something they want. I've thought of doing that for fun because I think in 3d Technicolor images, but I can't even draw good stick figures. But if I made an AI fantasy called "Cats in Space," I wouldn't want to tell the computer, "Create a picture of cats in space for me." However, I'm sure if I were an office drone and my manager said, "We need a brochure with a picture of Cats in Space by this afternoon," that is precisely what I would tell the computer.

This is one reason I put this on the main forum rather than in the Community forum. It is also why I put it under Tech rather than Play. Sure, it is fun, but the implications are staggering.
 
Warm Wisconsin

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
Suno AI version 3 is making music that is fairly impressive. I made a motivational song for the wrestlers going to state and they loved it.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Melodi said:
I don't know; I think the only way to kill it in the short term would be if authors, musicians, scientists, etc., successfully sued them for using their works without permission. For example, I'm sure some of Leslie's stuff went into Warriors of the North.

On the other hand, even in the unlikely event that these lawsuits favor the artists et al., the results will likely be monetary settlements and fines in the West, and they will be ignored entirely in places like China, India, and even Africa.

I realized that many movies will likely use paid versions of this to score their films. The biggest blockbusters may not, but many will.

At least with a lot of AI Art, the AI Artist (if they are honest and a real artist) uses the program to manipulate it to create something they want. I've thought of doing that for fun because I think in 3d Technicolor images, but I can't even draw good stick figures. But if I made an AI fantasy called "Cats in Space," I wouldn't want to tell the computer, "Create a picture of cats in space for me." However, I'm sure if I were an office drone and my manager said, "We need a brochure with a picture of Cats in Space by this afternoon," that is precisely what I would tell the computer.

This is one reason I put this on the main forum rather than in the Community forum. It is also why I put it under Tech rather than Play. Sure, it is fun, but the implications are staggering.
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Which is going to be hard to do. After all, REGULAR artists and writers and everything else are "influenced" by others. You can't hardly get a script produced if you can't readily compare it to a previous money-maker or two. So how does AI get sued for being "influenced"?
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I am not a lawyer, but the basis of the AI Art and literature lawsuits is that in order to "learn" to make such art or write such prose (or, in this case, lyrics), thousands, if not millions, of works, had to be scanned into the AI's. Almost always, this was without the author's (or the museum, estate, etc) permission. Many objects in "The Common Domain" are still owned by someone. Nightwolf had to draw many of the archeological finds he based certain theories on in his books because the Museum wanted, say, 100 to 500 dollars to "use the image."

There is at least one AI company (and I don't know which one it is) that was trying to do something to get permission, especially for written materials.

But most simply raced ahead using anything and everything in the hopes that by the time the world realized what was going on, it would be too late to stop.

Which is true. Even if the Western Courts ruled this was all highly illegal (and that hasn't happened yet), at best, some modern writers, composers, and artists may see a few pennies or be able to take their work "officially" out of the AI. Where it will promptly show up right back again via another source.

I am not a lawyer, I have no idea which way the courts will rule on this.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Meemur said:
Maybe that's why lyrics are such crap these days. I can barely stand to listen to commercial radio.
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I thought about that, especially after listening to the sample "Hedge Fund" songs the OP presented (one sounded just like what you hear on the radio), so I tried to pick someone in a different area. Heck, folk was listed as something other than a potential choice. I just typed it in to see what came up.

The second tune to that song, which I don't think posted (thank goodness), did sound a bit like a pop princess trying to sing something folk-like.

I've been told for a few years now that most of the "popular" music being recorded by the "big" stars (except the few singer-song-writers) is written by a computer. Because that stuff was so bad and repetitive, I had no idea what these programs could do.

I expected a free program to be about as useful as that AI program with the Black Nazi Soldiers, Japanese Vikings, and Native American Founding Fathers. Instead, on the first try, with a rather out-there topic, I got one good enough to be used as the theme for a TV show and another version that made me cringe, but I suspect some media people would like it.

I will try a few other weird things and figure out what I can get it to do. The problem depends on how many styles it can recognize.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
OK, I didn't write this one (and I'll stop for the night), but this shows how powerful this program can be for someone who knows what they are doing. I'm guessing from the Old Norse words and other things in the song - this is a paid version (probably), and the writer might be using some of their music, but maybe not. I can't tell, and there wasn't a name attached. Either way, this is powerful stuff - if I heard this at a concert, I'd buy the album
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Song of Heroes | Suno.
 
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