[AI] Avian Flu Daily Thread 03.15.05- H5N1 in NK?

LMonty911

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Yesterdays thread is here:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=142835


Interesting kick-off story, short and to the point.

Wonder what political ramifications, if any, a significant avian flu outbreak in NK would have? I can imagine, with the horrible poverty there, that losing the backyard birds might make a huge difference to a large percentage of the rural population-could this be the difference between sustenance and starvation for large numbers? If so, and its so hard to tell, considering so little info comes from there-will it make the NK leadership bolder, and more desperate to move to focus attention on an outward enemy, in order to avoid possible revolt at home? Will we see more nuclear based political blackmail as they try to increase food and other aid?

http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20050315/310000000020050315101619E9.html

Suspected Bird Influenza Outbreak Occurs in N. Korea: Source
By Kim Kwang-tae
SEOUL, March 15 (Yonhap) -- Thousands of chickens were allegedly killed a month ago after contracting a suspected bird flu virus at a chicken factory in North Korea, sources said Tuesday.

The source, who is close to North Korean officials, said the avian influenza occurred in the main chicken factory in Pyongyang, prompting North Korean authorities to come up with emergency measures to stem the spread of the deadly bird flu.

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http://www.recombinomics.com/News/03150501/H5N1_Kien_Giang_69M.html
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Suspect Bird Flu Patient in Kien Giang Dies

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March 15, 2005

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/03100504/H5N1_Dual_Thai_Binh.html>>An old man from Vietnam's southern Kien Giang province died on March 13 after showing bird flu symptoms, according to local newspaper Youth on Tuesday.

The 69-year-old man named To So Trung from Chau Thanh district was admitted to the Kien Giang Hospital on March 5 with symptoms of breathing difficulty. Specimens from the patient are being tested for bird flu virus strain H5N1.

The patient had stomachache and difficulties in breathing after eating duck. He needed respiratory assistance after hospitalization. <<


The failure to have H5N1 results 10 days after admission is cause for concern. This is the first report of a suspected bird flu patient in the south in over a month, and like all othe
r cases in the south, the patient has died.

The location of Kien Giang adjacent to Cambodia and many patients crossing with complex cases is cause for additional concern.

Dates of the meal and onset of symptoms would be useful, as would contact tracing results. The combination of delayed testing and false negatives creates significant control problems for H5N1 avian influenza.

 

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A little bit more on the NK situation:

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http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200503/kt2005031515254111950.htm


Outbreak of Bird Flu in Pyongyang Reported
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By Park Song-wu
Staff Reporter

North Korea might have slaughtered thousands of chickens last month after a suspected outbreak of bird flu at a chicken factory in Pyongyang, sources close to North Korean officials in China said Tuesday.

The Unification Ministry said the government is not able to confirm the outbreak of the avian influenza.

But a trader in Seoul indefinitely delayed its plan to sell North Korean chicken in South Korea.

``The government is not able to confirm it,’’ a high-ranking ministry official told reporters. ``We can only say that the North’s media began to report the necessity of anti-epidemic measures March 4.’’

North Korea's state media has recently stressed campaigns against the outbreak of bird flu and set up quarantines at airports, sea ports and border areas, while categorically assuring that the country is completely free from the epidemic.

If confirmed, it would be the first time that bird flu, which had wreaked havoc in Southeast Asia and China, hit North Korea.

After receiving the news of the unconfirmed outbreak, Porky Trading Korea, the firm in Seoul, asked its North Korean counterparts last weekend to delay shipping the chickens, the ministry official said.

``I heard from Porky Trading Korea officials that the North denied the outbreak of the disease and promised to check whether the disease did really spread in Pyongyang,’’ the official said.

The trader was ready to send a ship to the North Korean port of Nampo to ship 40 tons of North Korean chicken. The shipment was scheduled to arrive in the South Korean port of Inchon on Thursday. The company had planned to buy 2,000 tons of North Korean chicken this year.

The Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry in Seoul said the reported outbreak of bird influenza will not have impact on South Korea because no North Korean chicken or duck have been bought by South Korea.

South Korea maintains a ban on poultry imports from Asian countries hit by the bird flu outbreak.

Sources in China said the contagious disease occurred in Pyongyang’s Hadang factory, which is believed to be the largest chicken factory in North Korea. They said North Koreans might have bought and eaten chickens killed of the disease. ``I heard a rumor that in North Korea some people dug up chickens slaughtered a month ago and sold them in markets in Pyongyang,’’ a source said. ``They think it’s not a problem to eat it because they are not aware of the risk of the disease.’’ The Hadang factory is one of the five major facilities that breed and process chickens in Pyongyang, which were constructed in December 2002, the Unification Ministry said.
 

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Avian Influenza: A Ticking Time Bomb?



[Analysis] A worst-case scenario says 100 million could die within weeks of a global outbreakAlexander Krabbe (internews)
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ⓒ2005 WHO"Maybe more than 100 million deaths in a few weeks worldwide."

This worst-case scenario was brought up in one of our medical school microbiology lessons covering viral infections and the dangers of flu (influenza). All the students were suddenly very quiet. The professor's statement also peaked my interest in one of the most important global challenges of the 21st century.


On March 12, 2004, the World Health Organization (WHO) in accord with representatives from different countries and the pharmaceutical industry underlined the urgent need for the development of a vaccine against dangerous variations of the flu virus.

There is a "unique window of opportunity" to avoid a horrific pandemic, explained Dr. Klaus Stöhr, director of the WHO's global influenza program. He said it would be costly, but there are no alternatives.

A cruel lesson ahead for mankind

Since the early days of global air travel, scientists have warned that one day humankind will face a remorseless enemy. They say this enemy will be an aggressive and highly infectious virus, which, due to modern air traffic, will spread all over the world within days.

Some scientists are afraid that mankind will not consider preventative measures as necessary until it is too late.

As we have seen, the Ebola virus frequently kills many in Central Africa, and movies like "Outbreak" (1995) and "Twelve Monkeys" (1996) have infected cinema visitors worldwide. But as usual, it takes more than alarming movies or so-called "Third World" tragedies for governments to open their coffers and fund essential scientific investigations.

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▲ Avian influenza virus, up close and personal Naturally, before the Hong Kong outbreak of 1997, mankind tended to think of global pandemics as being scourges of the past. But the bird flu (avian influenza) pathogen H5N1, which was believed to only affect bird species, ended up infecting 16 people and killed four. Since this occurred next to an international airport, concerns were raised whether H5N1 could be the beginning of a deadly global pandemic.

With every year that passed, the virus continued to spread over East Asia. It forced national governments in China, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan and South Korea to kill millions of potentially infected poultry. The virus killed about 70 persons worldwide and at least 13 already in 2005.

But how can a virus that kills less than 100 people over a period of four years incite governments, the pharmaceutical industry and the food industry to institute the necessary, expensive measures and intensified research?

The answer is that back in September 2004 in Thailand, H5N1 has already been transmitted from human to human. Such vectors cannot be ruled out anymore and the virus may someday become a primarily human affliction.

The danger: An H5N1/H3N2-mutant

Around 16,000 people annually die of the common flu in Germany. One of the most important of these human-afflicting subtypes of the influenza virus is the pathogen type H3N2. Many of these deaths, often referred to as pneumonia, could be avoided.

A Swedish study conducted from 1996 to 1999, including 100,242 people over 65, demonstrated that annual vaccinations were able to reduce influenza-related hospital treatment by 46 percent and serious cases of influenza by 29 percent. The numbers of deaths were reduced by 57 percent.

When the power of the human immune system weakens from the age of 35 onward, the risk of infections rises. So those most at risk are unvaccinated people over the age of 65 and those with a weak immune system like HIV patients, people undergoing chemotherapy or who have an otherwise compromised immune system and children.

In contrast to the common flu, the bird flu seems to have the potential to more readily afflict people with a normal immune system. Moreover, H5N1 more often leads to death than H3N2.

There remains no vaccination for bird flu. Flu vaccines are produced when eggs are infected with the common flu viruses. The procedure takes four months on average. This fact alone demonstrated that current health care systems are unable to adequately react to a possible outbreak.

The major problem, however, is that the virus does not only kill birds (and humans), but also destroys the eggs of hens needed for industrial vaccine production.

If H5N1 ever succeeds in combining with H3N2 -- and if this hybrid does not lose its deadly effect -- the then "former bird flu" will spread like the common flu. This kind of nightmare hybrid may appear when a person is simultaneously infected with both virus types. Such a scenario underlines the necessity of vaccinating older people against the common flu, in the interest of the individual and the general population.

There is another possibility for hybrid creation, too: pigs. Both the bird flu virus, H5N1, and the common flu virus, H3N2, manage to survive in pigs. Naturally, within the pig's body an H5N1/H3N2-mutant can be formed.

The American Centers for Disease Control (CDC) high-security labs in the city of Atlanta are trying to artificially combine both types. The scientists' intention is to determine whether a hybrid form can be created and if it will harbor its deadly attributes.

Strategies to avoid the worst-case scenario

In order to avoid a scenario that eclipses the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918, important steps have to be taken by national governments and individuals.

One is to end mass animal-husbandry. Too many individuals are kept in too little space, exposing them to massive social stress in which diseases find a perfect environment to develop. The same argument is valid for slums and refugee camps. Ending poverty helps contain infectious diseases.

Furthermore, pigs and poultry must be kept separate on these massive agricultural plots.

Another important step is to inoculate the population, especially older citizens, with the (completely safe) flu vaccines, not only to rule out recombination of H5N1 and H3N2 genes in the human body, but to effectively determine whether a person suffers from the common flu or the bird flu.

In addition, new strategies to create vaccines that can be produced within a few days, independent from the eggs of hens, must be investigated. Several pharmaceutical companies are actually working to find new ways to produce such flu vaccines.

Maybe the most important measurement is to check every passenger before he or she departs on an international flight. We should not just worry about people carrying knives onboard, but ensure that he or she is not ill. If a global pandemic starts, like during the days of SARS, international air traffic must be reduced to a bare minimum.

Last, but not least, new medications have to be developed to treat persons suffering from the flu. At the moment there are only so-called "neuraminidase inhibitors" to which virus types can rapidly adapt.
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Vaccination Essential: "European Scientific Working Group on Influenza": report from 2003

Avian Influenza updates from the World Health Organization

Alexander Krabbe is a German medical student at Ernst-Moritz-Arndt University of Greifswald, Pomerania.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/15/h...icy/15docs.html

True Toll of Avian Flu Remains a Mystery
By LAWRENCE K. ALTMAN, M.D.

Published: March 15, 2005

While early reports of the deadliness of human avian influenza suggested that about 90 percent of the victims died, there are growing signs that the disease's true death rate is much lower - although still high enough to kill many millions of people if the worst fears about its spread come to fruition.

Few acute infectious diseases have death rates exceeding 5 or 10 percent. Exceptions are rabies, which is nearly always fatal, and Ebola and Lassa fever, with reported death rates ranging from 25 to 90 percent. The death rate for garden-variety flu for children, the elderly or the immuno-compromised is less than 1 percent in developed countries. At least 20 million people worldwide died in the 1918 influenza pandemic, with an estimated death rate of 2 percent.

As of yesterday, the death rate from A(H5N1) avian influenza in Southeast Asia was 67 percent: 46 deaths among 69 confirmed cases reported from Cambodia (1), Thailand (17) and Vietnam (51), according to the World Health Organization.

The death rate for bird flu is dwindling because it is easier to count people who die than those who may become infected and have minor symptoms, or none at all. This phenomenon of subclinical disease - a mild case of the bird flu, as it were - seems to be occurring with more frequency than previously appreciated.

For instance, the virus was detected in a healthy 81-year-old man in Vietnam and in a few others who barely knew they had been ill. If mild or symptomless cases are missed, the death rate will be skewed to falsely high levels.

On the grimmer side, other findings indicate that human bird flu infections may be more widespread than initially suspected and possibly transmitted by feces. The virus was found in a child with severe diarrhea and encephalitis, but no respiratory symptoms, leading health officials to ask doctors to consider testing feces for A(H5N1) virus more often.

The bottom line is that more human bird flu may be around than once suspected, but fewer people who get it become gravely ill and die than initially predicted.

That, however, is an oversimplification. Establishing a death rate for a disease like bird flu is a moving target for medical detectives.

Obtaining an accurate death rate depends on many factors, including the ability of people to get health care and the quality of the laboratory testing for the A(H5N1) virus.

Each step in the process must go right to get an accurate death rate, and that is difficult enough to attain in the United States. The problems are multiplied in poor countries with too few trained technicians and inadequate laboratory facilities.

Also, a true death rate depends on governments' honesty to overcome fears about losses from decreased tourism and trade to report all cases. Health officials credit aggressive journalists in Vietnam for reporting more and timelier information about bird flu than the government.

Medical history teaches that high death rates first reported in outbreaks of newly recognized infectious agents usually drop as epidemiologists interview contacts and test for mild infection. Until that is done, death rates usually are limited to people who get to a hospital, who are often the sickest and may not receive treatment in time.

Even the start of determining death rates is difficult. As doctors examine patients with respiratory symptoms, they must overcome practical hurdles like having enough swabs and other standard equipment to take samples from patients' noses. They must also know how to obtain the specimens properly.

Few laboratories in developing countries can test for the virus. Also, sending specimens to laboratories can be nearly impossible because of the lack of good roads and express mail systems. Specimens must be packed to stay cold for about 12 hours to preserve any virus present. But dry ice, widely available in developed countries, is nonexistent in some affected countries.

Dr. Klaus Stöhr, the World Health Organization's top influenza expert, said his team had to fly dry ice from Bangkok to Cambodia last week to keep specimens cool during shipment to Paris for testing at the Pasteur Institute.

In Southeast Asia, some scientists can test for A(H5N1) virus only under trying conditions. Dr. Stöhr cited one lab where scientists can work on influenza for only two hours a day because they share the space and equipment with colleagues who study other infectious agents. Under such circumstances, contamination of tests can be a serious problem.

Japanese experts are retesting about 100 specimens that a Vietnamese laboratory reported as negative for A(H5N1). "Of the first 30 so-called negative, 11 were found positive, suggesting that that laboratory was missing about one-third of cases," Dr. Stöhr said.

It is not known how many cases other laboratories are failing to detect. To find out, the W.H.O. is studying ways to improve the varying skills of the scientists working with A(H5N1) virus.

One possibility is to send specimens with known amounts of virus to rate laboratory proficiency in detecting the amount, a costly and demanding exercise. Scarcity of epidemiologists can also delay the medical detective work to trace how patients became infected and whether they spread the virus to contacts. In addition, scientists need the viruses isolated from new bird flu cases to monitor for mutations and genetic changes.

A major change could make useless the current pilot human avian influenza vaccine that is about to undergo its first tests in people. Although the latest tests showed no reason to change the vaccine, concern remains because the W.H.O. has not received any virus isolated in recent weeks, Dr. Stöhr said.

The W.H.O. is planning an international meeting in Vietnam this spring where doctors who have treated one or two cases - too few to report in medical journals - can relate their experience. Then other scientists can learn more about the range of patients' symptoms, the effectiveness of different treatment regimens and tests of patients' contacts to get a truer death rate.
 

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[size=+1]PM - WHO fears bird flu will be the next pandemic[/size]

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PM - Tuesday, 15 March , 2005 18:36:00

Reporter: David Mark

MARK COLVIN: The Great Flu epidemic of 1918 killed more people than had died in the entire four years of the First World War.

No other statistic can convey so starkly why health authorities now are so worried about the potential of avian influenza, or bird flu.

H5N1 is its scientific name, and the World Health Organisation says it could be the next great pandemic.

The virus has killed 46 people in South East Asia in the past year, but WHO believes it could kill 100-million.

No one is guaranteed immunity.

Today we begin the first of a three-part series on avian influenza.

David Mark looks at the history of the virus, and Australia's first defences against a pandemic.

DAVID MARK: Avian influenza was first diagnosed around 100 years ago, but the disease which the World Health Organisation says could become a pandemic began with just a few isolated cases.

It was in Vietnam early last year when the extremely virulent H5N1 virus spread from chickens to humans, killing seven.

Since then the World Health Organisation says there have been 69 cases of which 46 have been fatal. That's a mortality rate of about 75 per cent, and thus far nobody is immune.

The problem, according to Dr Alan Hampson, Deputy Director of the World Health Organisation Collaborating Centre for Influenza, is that the virus may mutate so that it can spread from person to person.

ALAN HAMPSON: When that happens, the virus spreads remarkably quickly. It got around the world in about six months in the last two cases.

GRAEME LAVER: It'd be an absolute disaster. I mean, just imagine a virus which killed three quarters of the people it infected.

DAVID MARK: Professor Graeme Laver is a retired molecular biologist who has studied the influenza virus for 40 years.

GRAEME LAVER: The Spanish Influenza virus in 1918, I think, only had a two per cent mortality and yet it was responsible for 30 or 40 million deaths around the world.

DAVID MARK: What the World Health Organisation is worried about is that the world is overdue for a pandemic, and that this virus is the most likely culprit.

ALAN HAMPSON: You would have to say that this virus is being given its very best chance to get into humans. It's replicating in large quantities in poultry flocks. Lots of people are being exposed. Some people are being infected, and it's really a numbers game. The more it happens, the greater the chance that eventually some time we are going to see a virus that's going to start spreading in the human population.

So it's wise, prudent to plan for that, and it's prudent to plan for another pandemic based on the history of pandemics of the past.


DAVID MARK: Does that mean it's a question of if or when the virus arrives in Australia?

ALAN HAMPSON: If a virus does start to spread in the human population, a new influenza virus, you'd have to say it's inevitable that we will get it.

DAVID MARK: But that's not the case according to Professor John Horvath, the Australian Government's Chief Medical Officer.

JOHN HORVATH: No, it's not a foregone conclusion. It depends on the size of the pandemic, and I suppose it depends on how you define a pandemic. Some people might say if it's a pandemic of course it's here.

DAVID MARK: So how much warning will Australians have?

Professor Graeme Laver.

GRAEME LAVER: Probably hardly any.

DAVID MARK: Given that then the first defences, surely, must be crucial?

GRAEME LAVER: There is no first defence. If all traffic into Australia was stopped, that might save the day, but the Government, I'm sure, wouldn't take that drastic step.

ALAN HAMPSON: With conventional human influenza virus we know people start to shed the virus before they start to feel bad enough to home and go to bed, so you could actually stop that by screening people at the borders. You could do the thermal scanning and those sort of things.

With flu that's not possible. They will get in and then they'll become ill and then they will spread the disease. And unless you're very fortunate, you'll have a great deal of difficulty in actually slowing that down.

DAVID MARK: So how well prepared is Australia? What are our first defences if a pandemic does occur?

Professor John Horvath is the man with the responsibility of preventing a pandemic in Australia.

JOHN HORVATH: We would put into place border surveillance. We've got heat cameras, we've got agreements with the States around some border surveillance and we may even restrict some travel from areas that have got active infection.

DAVID MARK: But there are planeloads of people coming in from say Thailand every day. How could you stop someone who may be shedding the virus but isn't showing any signs of the disease?

JOHN HORVATH: Well it is possible if we have sufficient time that we in fact will restrict travel. That's a pretty draconian thing to do. But if there is widespread disease in parts of the world, our obligation will be to try and prevent or delay its entry, and to take what prudent measures are necessary to do so.

ALAN HAMPSON: You can never be completely prepared for a pandemic, I think that's something we have to say up front. What you can do is to try and blunt the effects of a pandemic, try and reduce the mortality rate, try and reduce the economic impact, try and reduce your public health services being overrun.

JOHN HORVATH: We can't give the Australian community a cast iron guarantee that it isn't going to happen. What we can do is that we've got all the things in place to try to prevent it happening.

MARK COLVIN: Professor John Horvath, Australia's Chief Medical Officer, with David Mark. Tomorrow we'll look at Australia's emergency services and whether it is possible to avoid panic.



 

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Suchai orders virus `point men'

http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/16Mar2005_news14.php


YUWADEE TUNYASIRI

Newly-appointed Public Health Minister Suchai Charoenrattanakul said yesterday he has instructed all provinces to appoint a key person to deal specifically with preventing the spread of bird flu.

This point man would be in total control if the province under his jurisdiction was hit by the disease, Dr Suchai said.

As for concerns about the possibility of human-to-human transmission of the virus, Dr Suchai said there was no evidence the virus could mutate and be transmitted between people. In Thailand, there have been no such cases, he said.

``The ministry's policy is clear as it focuses on prevention. We will not let bird flu virus jump from infected animals to humans. There will be no human-to-human virus transmission in the country.

``Each province will have a team of experts to inspect areas frequently hit by outbreaks, particularly the lower North and upper Central Plain regions,'' he said.

Asked about the case of a 26-year-old Vietnamese male nurse who caught bird flu after tending a patient with the disease, the minister said there was no evidence the nurse had contracted the H5N1 virus from the patient.

He said several procedures must be followed before Thailand proceeded with human vaccine trials to ensure safety.

At this stage, he said a working group has been appointed to coordinate vaccine trials with the United States.

``Now, we are coordinating with relevant agencies about these trials. It will take a month before the trials take place. We have to follow many procedures before taking the next step forward,'' he said.
 

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Wednesday March 16, 2005
Preparing for an avian flu pandemic

http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2005/3/16/features/10318410&sec=features

With the possibility of a flu pandemic looming, some countries are already developing their own contingency plans, reports LOH FOON FONG.

With a second nurse who cared for a bird flu patient in Vietnam having contracted the disease, scientists are now not ruling out the possibility of human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 avian flu virus.

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Dr Christopher Lee: ‘Government hospitals’ preventive measures have been in place since the SARS outbreak.’
The virus, which has caused 46 deaths so far, is passed from infected poultry to humans. Health authorities fear that the virus may interact with the human flu virus and mutate into a form that can pass easily from one human to another and become a global threat.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) has estimated that from two million to over 50 million people could die in the event of a flu pandemic and urged member states to develop their own contingency plans. Based on historical patterns, influenza pandemics occur three to four times each century when new virus subtypes emerge.

In the 20th century, the great influenza pandemic of 1918/1919, which caused 40 to 50 million deaths worldwide, was followed by pandemics in 1957/1958 and 1968/1969.

The British has begun stockpiling anti-flu drugs for its population. The United States is getting ready to test a bird flu vaccine and is stockpiling both vaccines and antiviral drugs. Two million doses of vaccine are being stored in bulk form for possible emergency use, according to press reports.

Hong Kong scientists have started testing a human vaccine. China and Vietnam are also testing their own bird flu vaccines for fowls and humans. Thailand is vaccinating millions of chicken and other fowls.

As for Malaysia, Dr Ramlee Rahmat, director of the Disease Control Division of the Health Ministry, said that the nation’s human influenza preparedness plan is being worked out with the WHO and local experts and should be ready in a couple of months.

“Stockpiling of vaccines and anti-viral drugs is part of the preparedness plan that is currently being discussed at ministerial level,” he said.

Dr Ramlee said the United States and Britain have stockpiled antiviral drugs because they assume that the drugs will slow down infection in the event of a pandemic. However, he cautioned that while the anti-viral drug has its role, it only reduces the viral load and virulence but does not kill the virus.

“There is no cure for a viral infection,” he said.

He said the most important thing from the public health point of view is to be sure of the mode of spread for it will determine the sort of intervention plans needed.

Malaysia has a surveillance system for influenza-like illness (ILI) that is adopted from the WHO ILI system. Currently, all outpatient clinics in government hospitals will have to report cases of atypical pneumonia and influenza to the Health Ministry.

From outpatient records in government hospitals, less than 1% of patients suffer from flu each year and the Ministry is planning on putting 1% as the threshold.

“If the number of influenza cases increases (beyond what is) normal, we will investigate,” said Dr Ramlee.

The flu surveillance will be similar to that of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS): when there are confirmed cases, the Ministry will carry out active detection by looking for those who are infected through health screenings and patient isolation, he said.

Although there are a couple of cases in Vietnam and Thailand that appear to have spread via human beings, there is also the possibility that it may not happen all the time, he said.

“It is not easy for the chicken flu virus to interact with the human flu virus. There’s only a possibility. Those who are living close to chicken farms may get it. That’s where education plays an important role,” said Dr Ramlee.

“The main thing is not to get the birds infected with avian flu in the first place. By protecting the birds, you are protecting human beings,” he said.

Dr Christopher Lee, head of Hospital Kuala Lumpur’s infectious disease unit, said the atypical influenza guidelines for doctors require them to ask a patient with flu if they are bird handlers and if they are, they will also be asked if any of the birds died.

He said government hospitals’ preventive measures have been in place since the SARS outbreak.

“The avian flu is more infectious than SARS. However, as long as it is not spreading from human to human, but from bird to human, the risk of spread is lower than SARS,” he said.

The influenza vaccine currently in use worldwide protects against different strains of influenza virus. It offers no protection against avian influenza. However, the WHO recommends that all persons exposed to infected chickens or to farms under suspicion should be vaccinated with the current WHO recommended influenza vaccine. This is to avoid simultaneous infection of human influenza and avian influenza, and minimise the risk of viral gene re-assortment, which could trigger an influenza pandemic.

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A Vietnamese farmer leading his ducks in Thai Binh earlier this month. While the number of bird flu cases is falling across Vietnam, Thai Binh province continues to be a worry, with increasing numbers of H5N1 avian flu virus carriers.
Datuk Dr Hawari Hussein, director-general of the Department of Veterinary Services in the Agriculture Ministry, said Malaysia is currently free of avian flu but the widespread cases in Vietnam and Thailand require Malaysia to continue to be on the alert.

“First, we try to make sure that bird flu does not come in through movement of poultry. The importation of poultry and ducks and their meat products from all infected countries is still banned,” he said. Malaysia used to import poultry and meat products from Thailand and China.

If there is an infection, the Department will move in quickly and get rid of it at the source. The department will quarantine and cull the birds so that the virus does not spread to humans, he said.

“For chickens that are not in pens, we stop movement of the fowl and we cull birds within a radius of 1km of the infected chicken. We did that in Tumpat (Kelantan) in the recent outbreak,” he said.

He said the Department is also dependent on other agencies such as the anti-smuggling unit, Customs and police in monitoring the movement of poultry into the country.

The Department has also informed commercial farmers and farmers’ associations to step up and maintain bio-security, he said.

“We tell them not to simply let anyone go into the farm because the virus can be carried through infected dung on shoes or on trucks. The movement of people, vehicle and poultry crates in their farms must be monitored. They should have some kind of system to spray the trucks, for instance,” he said.

“What we want to instil in farmers is that they do it not because the authorities will come after them if they don’t but because they know that it can be a threat to their livelihood,” said Hawari.

He said the poultry industry in Malaysia has a satisfactory hygiene level, but housing of chickens and bio-security can be improved by changing the open chicken house system to closed houses.

The closed system makes it easier to control any entry of disease because there is only one entry point for air, besides allowing for better management of waste, he said.

In the open system, the chicken houses have no walls and air flows in from the sides. In the closed system, the air is sucked out of the pen and the house is kept cool; it is believed that the chickens will grow better.

Hawari said the Department has not recommended vaccination of birds as a form of control for bird flu because no one knows how effective the vaccines are.

“Moreover, there is still a lot of discussion on whether vaccination is the best way of dealing with bird flu. Vaccination is just one of the tools for disease control,” he said.

“One of the main concerns is not only to ensure the disease is not present but also to ensure that the virus is not there – you don’t only control the clinical disease but also get rid of the virus,” he said.

“The concern is that if vaccination cannot wipe out the virus 100%, it can mask the disease,” he said.

The Malaysian Government will have to start acting fast and stockpile vaccines and drugs for humans quickly and not set their strategies mainly at the poultry level because human-to-human transmission appears to have begun.
 

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Thanx Laura

Right now I am so ruddy well burnt out on this stuff, someone could come tearing into the apartment, scream the neighbour has it & it would take me an hour to summon up more than a basic interest.

I've barely looked at anything flu in the last couple of days, been busy with other things as well but I need about 12 hours of sleep reading something LIGHT, not pandemic/flu stuff.

Off to bed with the second book in Kim Stanley Robinson's outstanding Mars trilogy..
 

LMonty911

Deceased
I can understand, Sue. I wondered if that might be the case.

To be honest, without your contributions, the daily flu thread is pretty dead! It gets relatively few views, no commentary or discussion from members. Ive been wondering about discontinuing it, since folks are posting some of the articles in the main board anyway. Its a lot of work and not worth the pouting from DH because I'm spending so much more time online if no-one here finds it useful. If things get dicey later on, and it does go human-to-human, maybe it will be of value to revive it then.
 

LMonty911

Deceased
LOL, "bird flu" is going mainstream- I just got my first "bird flu spam" email- somebody sellign UV lights that will "save the worlds population!
 

Faith

Veteran Member
Laura and Sue.

Just wanted to let you know that I do read your Flu threads. All your hard work is very much appreciated. I don't comment much on any of the threads but it's mainly because my time on the computer is very limited and by the time I get to skim the news there isn't much time to make comments.

I believe that it is very important to know what potential dangers may be headed our way.
By the time the TV news get's word to us it is usually too late.

Thank you once again,
Faith
 

Bill P

Inactive
Laura,

By all means your, CanadaSue's and others' info and analysis is greatly appreciated.

I dont post to these threads because I am a materials engineer and dont have expertise to add on subjects biological.

I do read these threads carefully as I beiieve they constitute a potential threat more immediate than Peak Oil.

Thanks so much for your and everyone elses efforts in tracking and analyzing this.
 

CanadaSue

Membership Revoked
In case I gave the wrong impression

I generally spend a couple of hours a day on flu - looking after DH & my place doesn't take that much time - unless DH is having a bad spell.

But honestly, you get to the point with flu or any interest/hobby where you just want to scream. I'd been too long without a few days off & it was telling.

There is a LOT of info coming out lately & we are getting closer to serious problems. I'm not taking more than a day or 2 break & not completely ignoring flu while I'm at it - believe me. I'll probably be catching up on a couple of day's reading later & posting.

We're moving 1st of June - megadownsizing & I'm beginning the painful & disgusting process of winnowing out stuff - no wonder I've been cranky. You develop ridiculous attachments to the most ridiculous THINGS sometimes. I simply have to get rid of a lot of it - there's almost no storage space in the smaller, less expensive places we're looking at.

I can only do so much move prep in one shot though - just needed to get a start as we wait for approvals so we can make a final choice.

Hopefully this will be the last move for at least 5 years - lol.
 

Wild-T2

Veteran Member
I too thank you guys for your hard work and dedication on this. I think it is a VERY serious subject to stay on top of.

Thanks
 
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