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Will the World End in 2012?
Thousands Worldwide Prepare for the Apocalypse, Expected in 2012
By CHRISTINE BROUWER
July 3, 2008

Two years ago, Patrick Geryl, then 51, quit his job as a laboratory worker for a French oil company. He'd saved up just enough money to last him until December 2012. After that, he thought, he wouldn't need it anyway.

Unprecedented catastrophe will precede the end of the world in 2012, believers say, such as massive earthquakes, tidal waves and volcanic eruptions, among other calamities.

Instead, Geryl, a soft-spoken man who had studied chemistry in his younger years, started preparing for the apocalypse. He founded a "survival group" for likeminded men and women, aimed at living through the catastrophe he knew was coming.

He started gathering materials necessary to survive — water purifiers, wheelbarrows (with spare tires), dust masks and vegetable seeds. His list of survival goods runs 11 pages long.

"You have to understand, there will be nothing, nothing left," Geryl told ABC News from his home in Antwerp, Belgium. "We will have to start an entire civilization from scratch."


That's because Geryl believes the world as we know it will end in 2012. He points to the ancient Mayan cyclical calendars, the longest of which last renewed itself approximately 5,125 years ago and is set to end again, supposedly with catastrophic consequences, in 2012. He speaks of the ancient Egyptians, who, he claims, saw 2012 as a year of great change too. And he points to science: NASA predicts a sharp increase in the number of sunspots and sun flares for 2012, he said, sure to cause electrical failures and satellite disruptions.


All this adds up, Geryl said, to unprecedented catastrophe. First, a polar reversal will cause the north to become the south and the sun to rise in the west. Shattering earthquakes, massive tidal waves and simultaneous volcanic eruptions will follow. Nuclear reactors will melt, buildings will crumble, and a cloud of volcanic dust will block out the sun for 40 years. Only the prepared will survive, Geryl said, and not even all of them.

These may sound like the ravings of a madman, or perhaps the head of a small apocalyptic sect. But Geryl is not the only one who believes in the apocalypse. Thousands of people worldwide seem to be preparing, in one way or another, for the end of days in 2012. Survival groups exist in Europe, Canada and the United States. A simple Google search for "2012" and "the end of the world" brings up nearly 300,000 hits. And the video-sharing Web site YouTube hosts more than 65,000 clips informing and warning viewers about their fate in 2012.

"It's bigger than Y2K," said Mark van Stone, a specialist of Mayan hieroglyphic writings and author of a forthcoming book on 2012. "The year is like a pop song or a popular movie. You type in 2012, and you get hundreds of thousands of hits."

Dennis McClung, 28, a project manager for Home Depot from Phoenix, Ariz., runs one of the Web sites dedicated to 2012, an online survival supply store, which sells gas masks, knife kits, bullet-proof vests and more.

"I'm not a firm believer in one specific prophecy," said McClung, who runs his site with his wife, Danielle. "But I think we ought to be prepared for anything."

Even with December 2012 still 3½ years away, McClung said business is booming. His Web site, which features an "official 2012 countdown" clock and exhorts customers to "be smart, be ready," averages several thousand visitors a week. McClung's best-sellers, he said, are emergency medical supplies and water purifiers.

"I get a lot of hits from India. I get a lot of hits from the Netherlands," McClung said. "But my No. 1 customer is the U.S."

One of those customers is Thomas Lehmann, a 25-year-old factory worker from Cape Girardeau, Mo. Lehmann said he started researching 2012 when he was 12 years old, and still spends about two hours a day reading about the topic both online and in books. He said he is saving money for survival gear.

"Whatever happens, I'm just trying to be prepared for it," Lehmann said. "I'm just learning to be independent of the system. I mean electricity, vehicles, alternate sources of energy. I'm learning to live without gas, basically be self-reliant."

"If this stuff does happen," Lehmann said, adding, "I have a way to eat. I can hunt, I can fish and I can purify water. I think it's people in the big cities that need to be worried. People that can't provide for themselves."

But for all the hype, there is little evidence the ancient Maya ever intended for the end of their calendar to be read as a portent for disaster.

"These prophecies of doom really don't have any basis in what we know about the Maya," said Stephen Houston, a professor of anthropology at Brown University and a specialist of Maya hieroglyphic writing. "The Maya descriptions barely talk about this event."

Instead, Houston said, the Maya saw their "long count" — the longest of their cyclical calendars — coming to an end in 2012 but also beginning anew on that date, without disastrous consequences.


"Really, it's a conversion of people's anxieties about our times, and finding some remote mythological precedent or prediction of it," Houston said about the origins of the current 2012 myths. "People like to believe that ancient wisdom is somehow predicting this time of upheaval."

John Hall, a professor of sociology at the University of California Davis who is writing a book on the history of apocalyptic ideas, agreed. He said movements predicting the end of the world often reflect a much larger nervousness about the state of our society.

"Terrorism, 9/11, ecological disasters, floods and earthquakes," Hall said. "[There is] a sense that modern civilization has had its run. Those kinds of anxieties are much more widely shared than simply among people who believe in the exact date."

To Lehmann, though, those very events are warnings of what's to come.

"We had Hurricane Katrina, the recent cyclone in Myanmar," Lehmann said. "We've got major flooding in Iowa. We're always going to have natural disasters. But they are picking up quite frequently now."

Lehmann said he eventually hoped to move away from Cape Girardeau, built on the banks of the Mississippi River, to the higher plains of southwest Missouri to keep safe from the floods sure to follow the earthquakes of 2012.

Geryl and his Belgian and Dutch followers have similar intentions, though their plan will take them much farther from home. They are looking to buy a plot of land high up in African mountains, where they'll be able to withstand the monstrous tidal waves and wait out the cloud of volcanic dust that they said would block out the sun.

Geryl said the group has recently zeroed in on a location, but won't reveal his find for fear of tipping off rival survival groups in the United States and Canada. On that land, Geryl's group, whose core membership consists of 16 people but whose wait list supposedly lists hundreds, will build concrete dwellings or outfit caves for survival.


After the cloud clears, Geryl said, they will attempt to create a new, better civilization.

"A guiding principle will be to keep the world population as small as possible so as not to get into the same problems we face now," Geryl said, adding that the group is currently looking for sponsors and hopes to move to Africa in 2011. "There is too little oil, too little grain in the world now. Those are the kinds of problems we want to avoid."


One of the group's members, Jan, a 57-year-old carpenter from Amsterdam whose name has been changed because he doesn't want to be identified in the press, recently drove five hours to attend one of Geryl's meetings in Antwerp.

"I thought, if there's a chance that we can start a new civilization, I want to contribute," Jan told ABC News. "Because whether I make it or not, and there's only a small chance I will, this is important."


Jan, who has never been married and has no children, said he has lost friends over 2012.

"All the people I've ever told about this have declared me crazy," he said. "It makes people feel uncomfortable. Now I just keep it to myself."

Geryl said he found comfort in sharing his knowledge with others. Since "discovering" what the future holds, he has written three books on 2012 and maintains a Web site on the subject.

When asked what would happen if December 2012 were to come and go without the earthquakes and tsunamis of his predictions, Geryl fell silent.

"I don't really contemplate that possibility," he said. "[My predictions] are so spectacular, they can't possibly be wrong."
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I want to see Geryl's 12-page list! Anyone who includes spare tires for their wheelbarrow can't be all bad.
 

Nimadan

Contributing Member
I want to see Geryl's 12-page list! Anyone who includes spare tires for their wheelbarrow can't be all bad.

Did he include spart parts for the Apache attack helicopter they'll need to survive among millions of starving Africans when TSHTF?
 

rafter

Since 1999
Volcanic dust to block the sun for 40 years? Don't think his seeds are going to do him much good.

But he does sound like someone we need to recruit here at TB2K...
 

atlan

Membership Revoked
I like how this will happen so fast that the nukes won't have time for an emergency shutdown. Reminds me of that epic movie "The Day After Tomorrow".
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
Oh my, I just had a twisted, funny kind of thought: Wouldn't it be funny if the joke was on us and the reason the Mayans stopped at 2012 was because they ran out of space on the stone they were carving on? :D
 

skip8

Membership Revoked
Oh my, I just had a twisted, funny kind of thought: Wouldn't it be funny if the joke was on us and the reason the Mayans stopped at 2012 was because they ran out of space on the stone they were carving on? :D

They got tired?...carpel-tunell-chisel syndrome...it happens. :shr:

:lkick:
 

Saundria

Contributing Member
"Oh my, I just had a twisted, funny kind of thought: Wouldn't it be funny if the joke was on us and the reason the Mayans stopped at 2012 was because they ran out of space on the stone they were carving on?"


But maybe they had a shortage on stones...their stones became so expensive they couldn't afford to go beyond 2012. :spns:
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
"Oh my, I just had a twisted, funny kind of thought: Wouldn't it be funny if the joke was on us and the reason the Mayans stopped at 2012 was because they ran out of space on the stone they were carving on?"


But maybe they had a shortage on stones...their stones became so expensive they couldn't afford to go beyond 2012. :spns:

I like the way you think! :)

(We may as well laugh at this as cry, humor lightens the load somewhat!)
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
What disturbs me deeply is that so many otherwise rational, seemingly intelligent people actually believe this nonsense.

Bigger than Y2K? Yeah...right...OK.

There are so many real and very critical issues to confront. This 2012 hoopla doesn't cut it, imho.
 

Kritter

The one and only...
It's sort of a misconception on the part of reporters to say the reason people worry about 2012 is simply because the Mayan calender ends on that date. It's what it was counting down TO that was the important thing.

Both geological and written historic evidence suggests every 4,000 years or so the earth undergoes a very dramatic event.

The flood/earthquake destruction of earth story dates to around 2100bc. Thick layers of silt and clay have been found in numerous excavations were unquestionably deposited by flood waters. Seashells are found on high mountains.Terms and phrases such as anarchy, destruction, dark ages, breaks in continuity and major population reductions keep cropping up for this time period. There are geology scientists that assert there are multiple lines of evidence from the field showing that flood geology is correct.

This event is recorded by nearly every civilization that populated Earth at the time, and I do mean EVERY. There are HUNDREDS of stories relating each tribe and areas views of the event. It would take me hours to type it all here, let alone point to all the references from where the stories were taken.

Besides the biblical version with Noah, and the better known sagas of Gilgamish, etc. If you go to http://home.earthlink.net/~misaak/floods.htm you can read almost every one of them here, catagorized by area of the world and race. These are recorded stories by the locals. In a lot of cases this is written off as myth but why would it be. We have geological proof it happened, so there should be no reason why these people's accounts of the events should be thought of as merely fiction. The only reason they were written off the way they were, is because these ancient people had no modern words to describe what it was they had just lived through.

You can note that many of these stories did not just involve a flood, but earthquakes, volcanos erupting, a movement of the sun and stars in the sky, darkness, a glowing red cloud that approached in the sky from the horizon, great heat from the sun. Most of these stories begin with warnings people received from others..and strange spots on the moon. The story from Greenland specifically says 'the world once overturned'.

Along with these stories, in a few of these cultures..it is pointed out that this is the second or third time this flood has occured. The Mayans say this is the third time that this has happened, and they have a history of the two civilizations it happend to previously as well. The Incas say it happened before, and the first time it buried a civilization by Lake Titicaca..which was unearthed by scientists not long ago, and dated as far back as 8,000 years old. Atlantis is supposed to have met it's end in this prior flood as well. More than a few of these stories end with a warning. Someday..this will happen again.

Professor Charles Hapgood's theory of crustal displacement whereby the entire earth's crust moved with respect to the core has a suggested date for this at about 8,000 years BC. If a displacement had occurred then it would have caused enormous disruption to the the earth's oceans with massive tsunamis and heavy rain. Although the book was nominally about the disappearance of Atlantis, the theory of crustal displacement not only explains the discrepancies in ice thickness in Greenland and Antarctica but also the sudden demise of the mammoths.

Its a cycle but it's not precise. The Mayan's calendar was counting down to the reoccurance of an event based in real earth science. Either we're getting a core shift every 4k years appx or something from the sky approachs close and causes the occurance but there is at least some scientific and written evidence to support that.

This information gets left out of all accounting of the '2012 Doomsday' thing, but there are countries, specifically the Norwegian ones, that take the whole thing very seriously..and are actively and openly preparing for the possibility of a dramatic earth event.

Edit to add: I am not suggesting this is GOING to happen or that one needs to prepare for it..and infact I personally am not concerned with the 'warning' and won't be unless I see some very specific reason to think otherwise as we approach 2012. I just wanted to point out that there is some basis behind the timing of the calendar and the event it portends..other than just 'the mayan's ran out of ink'.
 
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Moggy

Veteran Member
Well done, Kritter! As a student of the history of the highly intelligent Mayans, I offer this: Three books of their national library survived the flames of Spanish Conquistadors...in particular, Bishop Diego de Landa, the fanatical religious destroyer, by name. Those books are: The Peresianus Codex (now at the biblioteque National, Paris); the Dresden Codex (now at the Royal Library at Dresden); and the Tro-Cortesianus Codex (now at the Royal Academy of History, Madrid). The following is from the Tro-Cortesianus Codex:

"In the year 6 Kan, on the 11 Muluc, in the month of Zac, there occured terrific earthquakes which continued until the 13 Chuen without interruption. The country of the hills of earth - the land of Mu (some translate it as Atlantis)--was sacrificed. Twice upheaved, it disappeared during the night, having been constantly shaken by the fires of the underneath. Being confined, these caused the land to rise and sink several times in various places. At last the surface gave way and the ten countries were torn asunder and scattered. They sank with their 64,000,000 inhabitants 8,060 years before the writing of this book."

The Spaniards could not destroy their stone monuments, however, on which are recorded the precise dates of the chief events and practices covering a period of about 1,500 years. Nearly every such inscription relates to some phenomenon in the sky and the corresponding event which took place on earth.

No one who has ever visited the most impressive of all the pyramid temples - the great structure of El Castillo at Chichen Itza, Yucatan...or who holds intelligent people of any race with respect...would demean themselves by making some of the remarks on this thread.

My best to you, Kritter.

Moggy
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's worth noting that while Charles Hapgood's book "The Path of the Poles" (c. 1970) was very interesting (I have a copy and it does make you go "Hmmm ..."), I think it also marked his abrupt decline in the academic world. Prior to that he was at least taken somewhat seriously, but I think about the time that book was published he was widely dismissed as a credible academic. With that book he entered the realm of Richard Hoagland (and there are people who think Hoagland's word is gospel), but mainstream science has relegated these people to the fringes.

Nonetheless, I thought "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings" (Charles H. Hapgood, c. 1966) was a great book (much better than "The Path of the Poles"), and I don't completely discount the contributions that can come from the fringe. As a tv show character once replied when asked by a teacher why he was out on the fringe (in this case, musically), he said that the view was so incredible from there.
 
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