CRISIS 8/03/2014 — UNPROTECTED News Crew just feet from Ebola patient entering hospital

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Everyone is assuming that direct contact with body fluids is necessary for this disease to spread. Yet, nobody can explain how professional doctors and nurses in full personal protective equipment are contracting this disease. They know the protocols for ingress and egress out of their gear and they are still getting sick. If they are coming down with the virus without coming into direct physical contact with patient secretions then it would be reasonable to believe the virus can transmit without direct contact. Basic logic.
 

Robin Hood

Veteran Member
I wonder how they plan to decontaminate that ambulance as well as who the medics will be that will have to man it ?
As far as I have read, there are now about 100 support staff in the countries infected that are now down with this disease.

rh
 

Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Everyone is assuming that direct contact with body fluids is necessary for this disease to spread. Yet, nobody can explain how professional doctors and nurses in full personal protective equipment are contracting this disease. They know the protocols for ingress and egress out of their gear and they are still getting sick. If they are coming down with the virus without coming into direct physical contact with patient secretions then it would be reasonable to believe the virus can transmit without direct contact. Basic logic.

You would think it was basic logic but it isn't. if you look at what it was that finally brought the SARS infections and deaths to a screaming halt was TOTAL substance isolation. IOW the pen you carried in o the contaminated area to chart with? Stays there, doesn't matter that it is your favorite $200 Louie Cardin uber pen. The alligator leather shoes your doc walked in with, beneath his isolation coveralls, etc? They stayed there and were destroyed later.

Breaks in the isolation/barrier chain are so common it isn't funny. One small spot on a finger, so small it can barely be seen, can eventually make it way to the eyes with an unconscious swipe. Professional doctors and nurses becoming infected is a routine hazard. Just because someone does something for a living doesn't mean they are immune from fatigue, human error, or microscopic particles clinging to surfaces unseen.
Just because we can't see an obvious point of contact doesn't mean the stuff has gone airborne.

RR - Who is a professional nurse
 

Vegas321

Live free and survive
I wonder how they plan to decontaminate that ambulance as well as who the medics will be that will have to man it ?
As far as I have read, there are now about 100 support staff in the countries infected that are now down with this disease.

rh

I'm not sure if this works but new Ambulances can carry powerful Ultra violet lights in the back compartment. When turn on, they are supposed to kill all bacteria and viruses.
But, i'm sure it got a decon scrub down as well with the water and cleaning equipment bagged and disposed of i hope...

F%cking news crews.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Just because we can't see an obvious point of contact doesn't mean the stuff has gone airborne.

RR - Who is a professional nurse

Very true. But, we don't know what we don't know. What we do know is the virus has successfully been transfered both between primates and swine with no direct contact. I read a report on that today documented by the Canadian Health Ministry back in 2010 and I've seen others mention that as well. As you know it's not a huge jump between primates and swine to human beings. So because we don't know it's prudent to err on the side of caution until they get a better read on this genome. Anecdotal evidence leads you to believe that this strain has a lessor lethality of around 60% but with an easier transmission. Hopefully the illnesses resulted from human error or equipment failure on the part of the professionals but right now it's a roll of the dice. And with one of the deadliest pathogens known to mankind it's not something to screw with.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Everyone is assuming that direct contact with body fluids is necessary for this disease to spread. Yet, nobody can explain how professional doctors and nurses in full personal protective equipment are contracting this disease. They know the protocols for ingress and egress out of their gear and they are still getting sick. If they are coming down with the virus without coming into direct physical contact with patient secretions then it would be reasonable to believe the virus can transmit without direct contact. Basic logic.

If the "full personal protective equipment" is truly what was shown on the local news here last night then it's no wonder they caught ebola! When you say "full personal protective equipment" everyone thinks biohazard containment suits with personal O2 tanks, etc., when in fact they were merely wearing paper hospital gowns with disposable gloves and a mask that wasn't even a respirator!

K-
 

RREDCOBRA

Contributing Member
They will soon come out with a shot for the ebola virus. It will probably hurt your body in some way. It will cost a lot but people will pay for it. Don't take the shot.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They will soon come out with a shot for the ebola virus. It will probably hurt your body in some way. It will cost a lot but people will pay for it. Don't take the shot.

I was thinking the same thing. The shot will have devastating side effects as well as costing big bucks just to get it. This happened maybe 30 years ago with a flu shot that many people went paralyzed from.
 

Secamp32

Veteran Member
This guy started showing symptoms days ago. Seems to me that someone at this stage of ebola wouldn't be able to walk. He would need to be on a gurney. If he could walk they would have put him in a wheelchair. This was probably a distraction while the real patient was wheeled in thru the loading dock.
 
This guy started showing symptoms days ago. Seems to me that someone at this stage of ebola wouldn't be able to walk. He would need to be on a gurney. If he could walk they would have put him in a wheelchair. This was probably a distraction while the real patient was wheeled in thru the loading dock.

That, or they wanted...NEEDED him to not look or act as sick as he really is, even for just a few minutes to allay fears. People will look at that and say, "Well, that's not so bad".
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
so .. if this virus is a 'world killer' then why was the ambulance not escorted? ( and why even bring him into the states) if they deny entrance for a long past DUI, then how the hell can they allow entrance to a human bomb?

would they transport an armed nuke thur the city.. even an unarmed? without a full cordon and mega security? but they bring this ambulance thru without even escort.. very odd.. purely a photo op. IF it was the real guy at all?
 

Petunia

Veteran Member
This guy started showing symptoms days ago. Seems to me that someone at this stage of ebola wouldn't be able to walk. He would need to be on a gurney. If he could walk they would have put him in a wheelchair. This was probably a distraction while the real patient was wheeled in thru the loading dock.

Mr. Sawyer, who died in Lagos, got on at least two planes and traveled to Lagos. He evidently was able to walk, talk and had no outward visible signs of the disease until he started vomiting (and who knows what else) on the plane. And he was not receiving treatment.

Nonetheless, the whole deal with the supposed Dr. Brantly seems strange. The plane landed in Bangor first, and you could see the crewman who got off was wearing no protective gear. http://wabi.tv/2014/08/02/jet-transporting-ebola-patient-stops-bangor/ There was no police escort for the ambulance in Atlanta. It even stopped at stoplights. So no big rush to get the "patient" to the hospital. The ambulance driver, dressed in some sort of protective gear, got out and stood around. Then the "patient" and his minder got out and walked across a rocky looking surface into a door, which was left standing open after they entered. Just didn't seem like anyone was all that concerned, so I too thought maybe it was a diversion. If so, what a lot of money has been spent on theater to divert the public.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Transmission

Ebola is introduced into the human population through close contact with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected animals. In Africa, infection has been documented through the handling of infected chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, forest antelope and porcupines found ill or dead or in the rainforest.

Ebola then spreads in the community through human-to-human transmission, with infection resulting from direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with the blood, secretions, organs or other bodily fluids of infected people, and indirect contact with environments contaminated with such fluids. Burial ceremonies in which mourners have direct contact with the body of the deceased person can also play a role in the transmission of Ebola. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

Health-care workers have frequently been infected while treating patients with suspected or confirmed EVD. This has occurred through close contact with patients when infection control precautions are not strictly practiced.

Among workers in contact with monkeys or pigs infected with Reston ebolavirus, several infections have been documented in people who were clinically asymptomatic. Thus, RESTV appears less capable of causing disease in humans than other Ebola species.

However, the only available evidence available comes from healthy adult males. It would be premature to extrapolate the health effects of the virus to all population groups, such as immuno-compromised persons, persons with underlying medical conditions, pregnant women and children. More studies of RESTV are needed before definitive conclusions can be drawn about the pathogenicity and virulence of this virus in humans.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
 
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