VIDEO 6:58 Dr Jordan Peterson on Ukraine/Russia: "How Can we Win?"

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
There is so much insight in this 7 minute video I wanted to give it it's own thread so as not to lose it amongst the big thread on the Ukraine. A little food for thought that I think many here need to hear.





Jordan Peterson sits with Piers Morgan and discusses the possible outcomes in Ukraine

Notions that the Russians are going to lose the war in Ukraine are “naïve,” says clinical psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson.

“Or that we’re going to win,” he said.

“I don’t understand that. What do you mean we’re going to win? What are we going to win here exactly?

Dr Peterson said even if Vladimir Putin allowed Russia to retreat from Ukraine, the country would be left in “smoking ruins”.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnxxELn00gk
 

Warm Wisconsin

Easy as 3.141592653589..
I have been a loyal Jordan Peterson fan for many years. He has the “west can’t win or lose” in the current Ukraine situation correct. However, he has Socialism can’t win in the US and Canada incorrect.

Russia can fall and socialism can win in the west. They are totally separate issues.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
Ukraine is winning. As a money laundering country it is raking in the money. They do not care what the body count is but the donations from the allied countries, the countries they can blackmail for for the money laundering and who knows what else.

Ukraine elites are buying property in other other countries with the funds We have been sending them. They are leaving the country with suitcases full of cash.

Ukraine is winning because they have no principals but they have western media singing their praises.

The Ukranian people do not matter. The hierarchy is playing the players.
land.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Very good interview.....

The cynic in me is scared to get my hopes up for Vlad vaporizing a couple hundred million blue hives leftists!

Come on Vlad... enough dancing, lets get to phucking!
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Ukraine is winning. As a money laundering country it is raking in the money. They do not care what the body count is but the donations from the allied countries, the countries they can blackmail for for the money laundering and who knows what else.

Ukraine elites are buying property in other other countries with the funds We have been sending them. They are leaving the country with suitcases full of cash.

Ukraine is winning because they have no principals but they have western media singing their praises.

The Ukranian people do not matter. The hierarchy is playing the players.
land.

I don't see how that equates to, "Ukraine is winning"?

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wait-n-see

Veteran Member
Did you watch the Tucker monologue?

Careful what you wish for...

The first time I've been more scared than I was during the Cuban crisis.

With the SOBs we have in Washington, it will only be through the grace of the ultimate power that we see 2023 without a nuc exchange.

Hopefully, if an exchange has to happen, may it be limited to small tactical systems only with no cities hit.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
We cannot 'go green and save the planet' as well as win in the Ukraine at the same time.

No Demonrat wants to, anyway.
VERY true!!!!

The TRUE meaning of cognitive dissonance!!!

Of course, right now, and at least for the next couple of years, our entire country is the meaning of COGNITIVE DISSONANCE!
 
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ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
The first time I've been more scared than I was during the Cuban crisis.

With the SOBs we have in Washington, it will only be through the grace of the ultimate power that we see 2023 without a nuc exchange.

Hopefully, if an exchange has to happen, may it be limited to small tactical systems only with no cities hit.
Yes, because in the Cuban Missile Crisis, we at least had a leader that gave a damn about this country AND it's PEOPLE......NOW we do NOT have that.......at ALL!!
 

Oreally

Veteran Member
How can we win? Be on Russia's side.
They're the Christians (just look at their policies on homos and families, and compare to the US Fedgov's) and anti-Deep State; no brainer IMO.
Ukraine is the most pious place i have ever been to on this planet.

there are churches , cathedrals and monasteries on virtually every street, both Orthodox and Catholic. on some street corners, there are little niches one floor up with small statues of the Virgin Mary. you will often see ordinary people stop before them and make the sign of the cross and then continue.

and every sunday, you can hear the voices of many choirs all over my city.

as for Russia being real in this, did you see the photo of the head of their church, Cyril, wearing a $30,000 watch, before that photo was photoshopped to take the watch out?

if your touchstone here is, which country is more Christian, and that country is Russia, you are seriously wrong.
 

MinnesotaSmith

TB Fanatic
Ukraine is the most pious place i have ever been to on this planet.

there are churches , cathedrals and monasteries on virtually every street, both Orthodox and Catholic. on some street corners, there are little niches one floor up with small statues of the Virgin Mary. you will often see ordinary people stop before them and make the sign of the cross and then continue.

and every sunday, you can hear the voices of many choirs all over my city.

as for Russia being real in this, did you see the photo of the head of their church, Cyril, wearing a $30,000 watch, before that photo was photoshopped to take the watch out?

if your touchstone here is, which country is more Christian, and that country is Russia, you are seriously wrong.
I am comparing Russia and Russia's leaders to Ukraine's backers, not to the Ukrainian masses. The latter are relatively irrelevant here. Also, Ukraine's backers come off way worse than Russia's leaders WRT support for Christian faith.
 
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MinnesotaSmith

TB Fanatic
i just do not believe Putin is an honest and true Christian.
Putin still makes pronouncements and does internal acts WRT Christianity that would be a huge improvement on what virtually anyone in the U.S. Democrat Party or U.S. Deep State says or does. When was the last time a Democrat holding or seeking national office said homos were F'ed up and the heterosexual 2-parent married family was the bedrock of civilization, being superior to all alternatives? Crickets.
 
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Hfcomms

EN66iq
Like the movie, the only way to win the game is not to play! But the reality is when all else fails they take you to war and all else has failed. They need something to blame the financial and economic collapse on and Russia is our preferred scapegoat. Little boys playing with grown mens toy’s in the nuclear age. What could go wrong?
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
In the end what all this is , IMHO only, is a cover and a way to help bring in the great reset, collapse the current collapsing system and form a one world Government. It has been the goal for many many years.

How we are on the hook in all this makes no sense otherwise. We are the cash cow to help it along.

It is not really about Ukraine and Russia, although the people of Ukraine suffer death and destruction which is horrid, the real goal of "The west" is to topple Russia/Putin.

I myself and I am very sure others here as well , am tired of these endless wars all put together by the banksters and the Globalists/Communists to make sure things remain unstable. Unstable times equal reliance of Government/Tyrants.

There needs to be one last war. One against these Globalist / Communists / whatever you want to call them, by "We the people" . If we do not do this, and VERY soon, everything we hold dear will be gone and they will have won.

If this does not happen, the remnant of us needs to COOHMP , because we will surely suffer the plagues and death they are bringing with them.

I am probably in the minority with this mindset, thats ok. I see no other way out of it. "We must hang together or surely we will hang separately" has never been a truer statement.
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
You can see on piers face that he never thought this threw.but hey **** logic , the narrative is already set.
 

PghPanther

Veteran Member
All this conflict ......truncates up to international money changers and the control/flow of money through the petro dollar and as a result their ability to manage countries through central banking fractional reserve and usury................everything else is subservient to that.

Iran, China and Russia...................are all in bed economically with each other over the flow and distribution of oil.......and most importantly to exchange energy independent of the US petro dollar and as a result providing them the ability to circumvent the central banking practices of the West.

Its the only reason why the West has gone to war these days......................fighting to keep the dollar afloat on a sea of oil so they can practice their central banking control of nations.......or else the West financial system collapses.

Any time the US brands some place in the world as "evil" or the "enemy"...........or as Bush the goofball used to say, "They hate our way of life" ...........you can be damn well certain they are talking about a country that wants to buy/sell or trade oil independent of any US dollar exchange and as a result, cast off the economic hampering of Western central banking tactics.

Germany did the latter aspect of that in the 1930s and it plunged the whole world into conflict as a result.

See WW2 was not the result of Germany declaring war on the world as we were taught in school..............but the world came to war because the international bankers dragged and/or blackmailed the developed nations into declaring war on Germany for abandoning their economic system of control. They controlled and schemed FDR and Churchill first and foremost to create allies with the rest of the West and even hated Stalin as well to shut down the Germany economy through destruction of its peoples and infrastructure.

Yes, territories and peoples lost from the treaty of Versailles and Hitler's expanding "Lebensraum" (or living space) played well in the eyes of the public to point fingers at Germany but hell the West wanted Germany to push living space into Russia and helped them prepare for that before Germany said no to the banking system and built back her economy on sound money practices tied to a real economy.

As it was then..........and is today..........everything else as to why there are wars is nothing but theatre to be consumed by the masses.............

You've always heard of "follow the money".....................well that has never changed.
 
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mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Regime change in Russia has always been the goal. The grift is just a bonus.

On another note invading a sovereign country is bad unless of course the invaders do not wear uniforms, in that case it is the victim country's duty to transport the invaders throughout their nation.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
How can we win? Be on Russia's side.
They're the Christians (just look at their policies on homos and families, and compare to the US Fedgov's) and anti-Deep State; no brainer IMO.
The Russian rulers aren't Christians, they're godless communists. Above all, regardless of what they say, commies hate the family structure.

They only make conservative claims in order to con their people into supporting, and fighting in, the war. The Bible clearly states that Christians show themselves true by having love for one another. Russian so-called Christians killing Ukrainian Christians is not out of love. It's the same way with Ukrainian so-called Christians killing Russian Christians.

What's left of the Ukrainian people is an unknown, to me, as far as their religious beliefs. Many Christians have left. In my city of 45,000 people, there are 5,000 Ukrainians, who left their country because of religious persecution, corruption, and they eventually knew that godless Russia would invade. They've been coming here for 30 years, with many new ones in the past several months. The vast majority of these Christians appear to be far more religious than the local Christians. The parking lots of their churches (much larger churches than the locals' churches, which the locals have outwardly shown as being envious of) are filled, while the local churches parking lots are largely empty.

How can we win? We can't. And, as a Christian, I cannot be on either's side.
 
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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Biden and other's provoked the Russians for more than 20 years to make this happen.
We have not declared war on Russia so I don't see where we are really involved to be worried about wining.
Don’r have to declare war to do war. Come to think of it, that’s how we have done it for the last 70 years or more...
 
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