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5 Reasons You Should Have Goats in Your Life

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Marc Warnke of PackGoats.com explains his 5 reasons that you should have a goat. Goats offer many tremendous benefits and Marc argues that these are the number one animal that people should own. They offer a higher reward to maintenance ratio than just about any other animal that people keep as pets. The resources and companionship that they offer provide benefits as a pet as well as increasing your self-reliance and preparedness. Marc has spent more of his adult life in the backcountry than at his home, and while doing so, found that having goats makes that time much more enjoyable.
 

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survival goats!!! for off grid living & even bugging out

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For the record...I have always liked goats. I enjoy goat petting zoos just as much as my 2 little boys do LOL. I actually grew up around goats because my Filipino grandfather often had a few goats penned up in the backyard of his acre lot in rural Northern California. If you dont know, Filipinos eat goats on special occasions. I hated the tradition as a kid because I always saw the goats as pets so it was hard for me to see them slaughtered. Now that I am interested in off grid living and prepping the idea of keeping a few goats intrigues me. Why? Mostly because I never thought of bringing goats with us if we ever had to bug out into the backcountry. But after visiting this booth at the Prepper Expo in Scottsdale Arizona I learned that a goat could be just as valuable if not more valuable than keeping a dog. You can't milk a dog and most folks refuse to eat a dog even if their life depended on it. Also it seems like goats are better built for packing gear as a pack animal than a dog is. As well as a cart pulling animal vs a single dog. Also goats seem easier to feed than dog if supplies are low since goats can graze the land for vegetation which dogs cannot. This may be the weirdest video I have ever uploaded but I still think its a cool addition to my channel. Royalty free music by youtube creator tool.
 

jed turtle

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Lol. Been there done that. Some comedy some tragedy.
my advice for would-be goat owners, invest in goat proof fencing. The last straw for me was the day we came home and the front door was wide open, and, after walking in, found the goat standing on the kitchen counter, surveying its new domain so recently conquered, with 50 pounds of flour on the floor, and about 100 house plants flung throughout the house, also resting on the various floors of the house. other than that, sure, goats. Especially if your are a nomad. Yep. Ideal. Warning, they will eat the bark off your apple trees...
 

fish hook

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I had pigmy's for about 3 years. Had on problem keeping them in, it was keeping predators out. Had to let them go when i got unable to care for them. If i were going to get goats again, i would get fainting goats. Heard they were poor climbers, easy to catch, and the meat is supposed to be more tender.
 

ioujc

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I have had Nigerian Dwarf goats and also a herd of 198 Angora Goats about 25 years ago.

I have not had any issues with keeping either of these breeds in a fence. My Angoras had 40 acres to roam and it was fenced with 4X4 welded wire. No issues except the occasional horns stuck in the fence>>>but the 4X4 largely avoided that, because they can get themselves out fairly easily.

I have my Nigerian Dwarfs inside a layout of about 10 complete dog kennels put together, They have never even tried to get out. I think it is the type of goat you have that matters.
 

Old Gray Mare

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Five reasons to have goats not listed in the OP.

Getting kicked, stomped or butted by a goat is a lot less painful than by a cow.

Dairy goats provide a more manageable amount of milk than cows.

Goats are tough. Not much takes down a goat provided they have minimum care, adequate food, clean water and shelter from the elements.

Goats reproduce and grow fast. Two goats can become a small herd in a year or two.

With the influx of immigrants to the US, goats are much more in demand than they were ten or fifteen years ago.

If a goat goes down they usually go down fast. Its usually more cost effective to butcher it and put it in the freezer than calling the vet.
 

summerthyme

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Goats, the Devil's stepchildren.

Why invite trouble?
Yeah..

Five reasons to have goats:

1. Your brand new car lacks dents and divots on the hood and roof
2. You love weeding and gardening so much that the goats breaking in and destroying the entire thing is just an opportunity to start over!
3. You don't mind spending several hundred bucks replacing the patio furniture every time they get out.
4. You are tired of pruning and harvesting your fruit trees.
5. Your neighbors actually like you.

Summerthyme
 

Dennis Olson

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I don’t have goats. I’ll never have goats. Or sheep. Or cows. Or horses. Or chickens. I don’t live on a farm, and don’t have hours a day (or the land) to take proper care of them. (I’m sure the homestead snobs will jump on me with both feet for daring to say this.)
 

Millwright

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I don’t have goats. I’ll never have goats. Or sheep. Or cows. Or horses. Or chickens. I don’t live on a farm, and don’t have hours a day (or the land) to take proper care of them. (I’m sure the homestead snobs will jump on me with both feet for daring to say this.)

((shrug))

In the village, not everybody is a farmer.

Agri-stuff isn't my thing either.

If I want farmer/rancher products, I'll swap for fixing their broken crap...after they've tried to fix it and made a mess.
 

Walrus

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You either like goats or you don't. Not much in-between, although that's kind of where I live.

I really like goats for their ability to clean up pastures, especially of the ubiquitous blackberry patches which grow wild around here. The thorns don't even phase them. I like the way they graze upward. And I like goat milk and cheese. Not much meat on them, though.

I really hate goats for their susceptibility to parasites, their ability to annoy me with their stupid goaty expressions looking right into my eyes and how they think that every little upset in their lives is a reason to chew me out. It's not like I married the little bastages.....
 
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Goats are like children in the sense that if you don't want children, you really shouldn't have any (for the sake of the children). And if you don't want or like goats, you really shouldn't have any -- for both of your sake! They can be real nuisances, and they obviously aren't suited to keep just anyplace. But if you can have them, and want to have them, I do think they are one of the most useful types of livestock. You just need to know what you are doing -- they aren't good for rank beginners.

Kathleen
 

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Goats are like children in the sense that if you don't want children, you really shouldn't have any (for the sake of the children). And if you don't want or like goats, you really shouldn't have any -- for both of your sake! They can be real nuisances, and they obviously aren't suited to keep just anyplace. But if you can have them, and want to have them, I do think they are one of the most useful types of livestock. You just need to know what you are doing -- they aren't good for rank beginners.

Kathleen
Respectfully disagree.

If the rank beginner is trying to decide between a goat and cow? For someone wanting to get into livestock without a huge investment in time, resources and money? For someone older or physically challenged? Depending on the challenge, I'd consider goats instead of cows. Goats are not small cows. Please know that from the get go. Both provide meat and milk.

Imagine being stomped on, squished, butted and kicked by a cow. Imagine having to clean up after a cow. Imagine having to administer first aid to cow or help with a birth? Imagine having to lead one somewhere it doesn't want to go? Imagine butchering a cow with the knowledge and equipment you currently have. Now imagine the same for a goat, an animal significantly smaller and lighter than a cow.
 

summerthyme

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True.

In this case...is the cabrito worth the destructo?
Not IMHO!
Thankfully, DS and DDIL came to the same conclusion (although the Boer goats they had were amazing poison ivy control, only problem is they'd have needed a herd of 100 or more to eat it all!)

The only goat on the place now is Millie, a bearded hermaphrodite who acts like a buck, but has produced milk, although not kids...

It jumps 5 foot fences from a standstill, and is a giant PITA. Fortunately, it won't reproduce!

Summerthyme
 
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Respectfully disagree.

If the rank beginner is trying to decide between a goat and cow? For someone wanting to get into livestock without a huge investment in time, resources and money? For someone older or physically challenged? Depending on the challenge, I'd consider goats instead of cows. Goats are not small cows. Please know that from the get go. Both provide meat and milk.

Imagine being stomped on, squished, butted and kicked by a cow. Imagine having to clean up after a cow. Imagine having to administer first aid to cow or help with a birth? Imagine having to lead one somewhere it doesn't want to go? Imagine butchering a cow with the knowledge and equipment you currently have. Now imagine the same for a goat, an animal significantly smaller and lighter than a cow.

I've had goats for nearly forty years. I have seven of them right now. They are NOT the best type of livestock for people to start out with. I know that my ignorance killed several of mine in the first few years that I had them, and I was raised on farms (although we had cows, not goats). It is much better for people to first learn to manage a few chickens before they get goats.

Yes, if the person is trying to decide between goats and cows, my personal choice would be goats for the reasons you mentioned plus this: if your animal dies, it's easier to bury a dead goat than a dead cow. Or at least cut it up and turn it into dog food. And I don't have to imagine trying to deal with a cow. Been there, done that. Cows do have some advantages in some situations, but you are right that goats, being smaller, are much easier to handle. That doesn't mean they are a good animal for a rank beginner to start out on. They need excellent fencing, much better fencing than cows need. If you can't fence them, and have to tie them out, they need extremely close supervision because they are vulnerable to predators (and don't even need to be touched -- if something frightens them badly enough, they can bolt to the end of their tie-out and break their necks. Had that happen to a good doe). They are very vulnerable to parasites because of their large stomach volume for the body size, so parasite loads need to be monitored closely. If you can't do fecals, you need to know the physical signs of parasite overloads, and how to treat them, and how to do maintenance treatments to prevent parasite overloads. You should know how to prevent and treat hypocalcemia (also known as milk fever). You'll need to know how to help a doe who is having trouble delivering her kids, and while, yes, it is easier to put your hand inside a goat than a cow, you aren't quite as likely to have to untangle multiple babies inside a cow. It definitely is easier to pull a kid out of a doe, though, than to get a stuck calf out of a cow. You need to know the mineral requirements that goats have, and be able to supply those.

Once a person can manage to feed and care for a flock of chickens, then I think they are ready to progress to something more complicated like a goat. But too many people who are new to keeping livestock see goats, and think that because they are about the same size as a big dog, and are generally at least somewhat friendly, that they aren't any harder to care for than a dog. And that just is not true.

Kathleen
 

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Last year we had 8 goats, five females, our BIG billy goat and two young males. Of the five females only two had live goats, two males and one female. We sold one of the males and kept the twins. One of the females had still born twins, but two more had no babies. We have no idea why those two didn't produce because they have in the past. So now we have 10 goats.

I had never been around goats, but DH grew up with them. If you have goats you have to have good fencing and some of it probably needs to have some electric strands at the bottom. DH has fenced about 10 acres to help feed the goats, as they are brush goats.

I love our goats and I look at them as pets and only if no other choice was available would one of them be food. That would be difficult for me.

My brother will be taking over this property when we go to be with Jesus, and as of now he doesn't want the goats or the chickens. He may change his mind, particularly if he lives here full time.

God is good all the time

Judy
 

marsofold

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We are shepherds with a flock of a dozen St. Croix hair sheep. Almost completely immune to worms, no stinky bucks, no car damaging, no wool to shear, 2.5 offspring per ewe on average. Good fences are necessary because they are the preferred food of almost every predator in the world. Lamb meat with rosemary is sooo yummy!
 

Freeholder

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I'd rather have 3 - 5 chickens. They are much simpler to butcher if things go wrong and have a much lower profile than goats if one is on the border between farms and subdivisions.

In your situation, chickens would certainly be the better choice. It takes about an acre of good land (in a climate with plenty of rain) to feed half a dozen goats; few suburbanites have a big enough yard to feed even one if they are also trying to grow food for themselves.

Kathleen
 

Babs

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I have had goats! I had an organic goat dairy years ago and at the peak, I had about 150 does and 5 bucks. A lot of the selling points in those videos are simply not true. They are not efficient...they are wasteful. They are not easy to get along with...they are the most stubborn beasts in the world and they can bring out the very worst in a person. You cannot go into the yard or the garden and relax because they scream incessantly even when they have full bellies. Their milk does NOT last 2 weeks, imo. The caprylic acid tastes becomes so strong after only a few days, that we could not drink it.

Yes, there are about 5 good reasons to own goats, and about 50 not to own goats. Lord willing, I will never own another goat. There is a reason God separates the sheep from the goats. ;) I prefer to have a few sheep. YMMV
 

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I have had goats! I had an organic goat dairy years ago and at the peak, I had about 150 does and 5 bucks. A lot of the selling points in those videos are simply not true. They are not efficient...they are wasteful. They are not easy to get along with...they are the most stubborn beasts in the world and they can bring out the very worst in a person. You cannot go into the yard or the garden and relax because they scream incessantly even when they have full bellies. Their milk does NOT last 2 weeks, imo. The caprylic acid tastes becomes so strong after only a few days, that we could not drink it.

Yes, there are about 5 good reasons to own goats, and about 50 not to own goats. Lord willing, I will never own another goat. There is a reason God separates the sheep from the goats. ;) I prefer to have a few sheep. YMMV

Babs, what breeds of goats did you have? There are big differences in temperament and milk flavor that a lot of people aren't really aware of. Milk from my Kinders and Nubians will keep for several days in the frig with little to no change in flavor (but probably not two weeks!).

The only way I'd call goats efficient is that they can, and will, eat (and thrive) on brush and stuff that cows will only eat if they have nothing else and are starving. So in a bad spot with no feed for cows, you would probably still be able to feed goats. They'll even eat lichens up above the tree line on top of a mountain. This is why, when people are really poor and live in a spot with a horrible climate and little if any feed for cows, they will often still be able to keep a few goats.

Kathleen

ETA: One big advantage of goats is simply that if you don't have much land, you are much more likely to be able to find enough to feed one or two goats (you can have one doe if you have another critter of some kind of keep it company, otherwise you must have two, minimum). We used to have some friends in Alaska who had five acres, but it was mostly spruce trees and their big garden. They would go out with their big one-ton truck and fill the back with weeds and tree branches cut from under the power lines alongside the highway, then dry all of that and store it to feed their three goats through the winter (they had two does, but also had to keep a buck because it was over a hundred miles to the nearest buck otherwise). That could be done with a garden wagon, or a couple of goats pulling travois to haul the feed home. It would be a lot of work, obviously, but easier to feed two goats that way than a cow.
 
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Babs

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Babs, what breeds of goats did you have? There are big differences in temperament and milk flavor that a lot of people aren't really aware of. Milk from my Kinders and Nubians will keep for several days in the frig with little to no change in flavor (but probably not two weeks!).

The only way I'd call goats efficient is that they can, and will, eat (and thrive) on brush and stuff that cows will only eat if they have nothing else and are starving. So in a bad spot with no feed for cows, you would probably still be able to feed goats. They'll even eat lichens up above the tree line on top of a mountain. This is why, when people are really poor and live in a spot with a horrible climate and little if any feed for cows, they will often still be able to keep a few goats.

Kathleen


I'm very familiar with goats and the differences in breeds. I had primarily LaManchas, but I've also owned Kinder (worst goats I've ever had), Alpine, Nubian & Saanens.
 

meandk0610

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Last year we had 8 goats, five females, our BIG billy goat and two young males. Of the five females only two had live goats, two males and one female. We sold one of the males and kept the twins. One of the females had still born twins, but two more had no babies. We have no idea why those two didn't produce because they have in the past. So now we have 10 goats.

I had never been around goats, but DH grew up with them. If you have goats you have to have good fencing and some of it probably needs to have some electric strands at the bottom. DH has fenced about 10 acres to help feed the goats, as they are brush goats.

I love our goats and I look at them as pets and only if no other choice was available would one of them be food. That would be difficult for me.

My brother will be taking over this property when we go to be with Jesus, and as of now he doesn't want the goats or the chickens. He may change his mind, particularly if he lives here full time.

God is good all the time

Judy
Low copper and/or selenium levels can cause does to not settle as well as stillbirths and dystocia. Feed store minerals are too low in copper, in our experience (Virginia). MannaPro is better and Purina goat mineral is even higher.
 

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CAN A GOAT SAVE YOUR LIFE?
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September 3rd, 2020
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By Kit Perez
If you’ve never owned goats before, chances are you don’t think of them as survival assets. In fact, you might even consider them a liability in a disaster because they’ll still need to eat, drink water, and receive basic care — and they’ll be wholly dependent upon you for much of that. In a survival situation, you’ll be focused on yourself and your family and won’t have time or desire to mess with livestock.
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Goats are one of the best survival assets you can imagine. Image: Shutterstock/SolomonPhotos
But there’s just one problem with that avenue of thinking: you’re missing out on one of the best survival assets of which you can possibly think. Today, we’ll talk about five products that you won’t need to purchase if you have a goat. While some of those might seem a bit frivolous, some can literally help you survive a severe shortage of food.
Milk
You might be storing canned milk in your preps. If you’ve ever tried it, you’re probably hoping you never have to taste it again. It’s not that good from a can; many folks just buy it anyway and stick it on a shelf, thinking that someday they may be hungry enough to drink it.
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Did you know that goat milk is actually healthier than cow’s milk?
Fresh goat milk, however, is one of those foods that has far more benefits than you’re aware of. It’s easier for the human body to digest, and many who are lactose intolerant find that they can consume goat milk just fine (check with your doctor before doing so, just in case). It’s naturally homogenized, has more potassium than cow milk, and if it’s handled properly at milking time, it tastes pretty close to cow’s milk, too.
If you have a few dairy goats, not only will you have all the fresh, healthy milk you need for your family, but you’ll save storage room and money while providing them one of the healthiest and most popular drinks in the world.
Cheese
Where there’s milk, there can be cheese, and while you might automatically be thinking of feta, the truth is that you can make all kinds of cheese with goat’s milk, including aged cheddar.
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Dairy goats range in size, so choose the one that will produce what you need.
Cheese isn’t really a survival item in the classic sense, but it’s definitely one of those foods that can serve as a snack or help complement a simple meal. It’s a great source of calcium and protein as well, and it’s easy to make with simple or even primitive supplies.
One important note: Making butter with goat’s milk is pretty tedious. The natural homogenization means the cream doesn’t separate as easily as it does with cow’s milk. It will take you a long time to collect enough cream to make butter.
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Don’t underestimate your goat’s ability to feed more than just you. Our livestock guardian dog, Lobo, loves goat milk.Soap
Cleanliness is one of the most important facets of survival, and goat milk soap is yet another way to use any extra milk that your goats are producing. In addition, it’s good for your skin. There are many recipes online for creating both simple and more complex soaps, and they’re worth checking out. Because soap needs to cure for several weeks, you’ll want to have a schedule for making it. One batch, however, can net as many as 12 bars, so you won’t have to make it often.
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Perhaps the best part about owning goats is the cute babies every spring!Kefir
This interesting creation is a fermented drink often made with goat’s milk. It tastes a bit like yogurt but is thinner in consistency. What makes kefir worth trying is that it’s packed full of healthy probiotics, proteins and bacteria that can help keep your gut health stable — something especially important during a survival scenario.
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Meat
While my own goats are dairy producers, loved and spoiled in their own way, there is a truth on our farm that any one of them would be used for meat if things got to that point. Goat meat is enjoyed the world over, and a goat’s milk and meat can be used to not only feed my family, but my other animals as well. We have livestock guardian dogs and several barn cats, all of whom think goat milk and meat are rare but highly esteemed delicacies.
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That expensive cashmere sweater you own came from a goat just like this one.
There are many more products that goats provide:
  • Fiber – Cashmere and mohair are highly popular goat-derived fibers
  • Compost
  • Hides/leather
Should You Get Goats?
Beginning with any animal requires research, understanding and a willingness to learn (and fail). The question of whether you should get a few goats is a personal one, but if you’re looking to be able to keep producing food, soap and even textile goods no matter what’s going on around you, goats are one of the best ways to go.
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Raising Goats: Perfect Survival Livestock?
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The Lowly Goat
I have been a prepper since just before Y2K. It has been an interesting journey that encompassed ‘peak oil prepping’, natural disaster prepping, EMP prepping and TEOTWASKI prepping. I’ve purchased all sorts of prepper gadgets and supplies, drooled over the Lehman’s catalog, ordered from a variety of dehydrated food company catalogs, improved my gardening and food preserving skills and changed a room in the house to a storage room instead of a dining room. But after all those years, all the prepper novels, the YouTube channels and lengthy discussions with like-minded friends, I have come to the conclusion that we just have to learn how to survive as our pre supermarket ancestors did. We need to have the skills necessary to survive long-term that were needed before electricity. Because once all our purchased stuff is used, we will have to know how to raise our food and fix things by hand.
There are thousands of articles on all things related to prepping written by people way smarter than I am. But I seldom find much on how to select and manage livestock after a collapse. My gardening skills are improving, I don’t know much about guns and my cooking and food preservation skills are a work in progress, but I have been around animals all my life. I’ve cared for livestock on my hobby farm for at least forty years so it only seems natural that I would decide to focus this article on animals from a prepper point of view.
One of the animals that I think will be a major player in sustainable living after the SHTF is the lowly goat. Goats can supply milk, meat, hides for clothing and be a work or pack animal if needed. It’s time to look at what the goat has to offer and why I think it is better than a cow.
Both the cow and the goat provide the same products and many think the cow is going to be the perfect prepper milk and meat source. It is generally assumed that once the power goes off, dairy farmers will be giving, or bartering, their herds away because they won’t be able to milk them. I suspect this is true. So many preppers are planning on just grabbing one of those free, or bartered, cows and their milk and meat problems are solved. Short term, that will work for some and, worst case scenarios, get others severely injured or killed. Lets look at the cow and goat and explore why I think the cow is a bad idea and the goat is the perfect solution in most prepping situations.
The Backyard Goat: An Introductory Guide to Keeping and Enjoying Pet Goats, from Feeding and Housing to Making Your Own Cheese
The Backyard Goat: An Introductory Guide to Keeping and Enjoying Pet Goats, from Feeding and Housing to Making Your Own Cheese
Raising Goats: Goat Safety
The first thing to look at is handling. The average prepper doesn’t have a lot of experience handling animals…let alone milking a dairy animal. While we tend to see photos of contented cows in clean barns looking happy, cows are animals that weigh over a thousand pounds and very definitely have a mind of their own. If you don’t know what you are doing, the risk of injury when a cow swings her head around and accidentally drills you into a wall is very real. Don’t forget that she may not like your amateur milking efforts and show you her displeasure with a well placed kick. Have you ever been run over by a cow that doesn’t want to go in the direction you want her to go in? Remember, doctors will be in short supply at best, so a broken arm that means a trip to the emergency ward today may mean something much worse in a STHF situation.
The milk goat, on the other hand, is usually under two hundred pounds. A cranky goat is much easier to handle than a moody cow and the likelihood of injury due to a kick is dramatically reduced. A doe (female goat) isn’t likely, although it is possible, to be able to swing her head around and send you sailing either. So from safety point of view, especially for someone with little or no experience handling livestock, the goat wins hands down. Of course if you have the handling experience, then a family cow might be something to consider. But keep in mind, if the collapse has happened, you will probably have inexperienced people staying with you. While the experienced people will do fine with a grumpy cow, how will the new displaced urban residents living at your bug out location do if they are assigned barn duties? Something to consider.
Since we are talking about safety, lets mention bulls and bucks….the boys! Breeding animals are not pets and in this case both of these animals can be dangerous. Many an experienced farmer has been crushed by a bull after making one handling mistake. While a buck goat can be nasty, the chance of serious injury from a handling error is dramatically reduced just because of the difference in size.
Raising Goats: Goat Reproduction
Most people never give the breeding aspect of milk production a thought. Cows and goats have to be bred, and produce a baby, in order to produce milk (Some contradictory info on this later) . Farmers now days solve the problem of keeping a dangerous bull by, instead, using artificial insemination (AI). The AI guy comes to the farm with tanks of semen and breeds the cows. There is very little risk of injury. But after an EMP there will be no AI guy and the only way to get the goat or cow bred so she can keep producing milk, and offspring to raise for meat, will be to have a breeding bull or buck around. Life after a collapse of society is going to be jam-packed full of new and terrible dangers so it makes sense to choose the reduced risk of keeping goats that must be bred instead of cows.
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Some of you will say “I can take my cow to the bull at the neighbor’s house” and that could be true in isolated cases. But two things should be considered. The average prepper isn’t going to keep a bull for breeding so finding that bull in your region will be difficult. Then you have to get your cow to the bull. You will be able to lead a goat through the woods. Depending on the woods themselves, leading a cow through the woods in order to avoid detection on a road is going to be a big challenge. Especially if Bossy isn’t interested in walking through the underbrush and jumping over fallen trees.
The reproductive cycle of the cow is continuous all year-long so you can breed her and have calves at any time. This means you can plan when you will have the biggest supply of milk. Goats have a breeding season, usually from mid fall to about January. You have to plan carefully if you want a decent supply of milk for the entire year. This could be a disadvantage if you choose to have goats as your safe haven dairy animal but it isn’t an insurmountable problem.
Raising Goats: Housing your goats
The bigger the animal the more extensive the housing required to keep it healthy and happy. You can keep about six goats comfortably in the same space that you can keep one cow…. And the goats are not nearly as strong as a cow so your shed or barn doesn’t need to be as rugged for goats as it needs to be for a cow. The average prepper doesn’t have a barn but is likely to have a shed or garage that can be converted to shelter a dairy goat or two. Keeping goats in a small shed or garage is much more doable than housing a cow in one. Lets not forget that a fifteen hundred pound bull is going to need a very stout barn and paddock area, as a bull on the loose is extremely dangerous. A two hundred fifty pound buck goat does not present the housing challenges of the bull for the prepper.
Obviously, if you have the space and shelter, then a cow isn’t going to present a housing problem…however, as a prepper who understands that security is important, you will probably appreciate an animal that you can easily hide. While not ideal, a goat can easily be housed in a cellar, on a porch or even in the home itself. I’m sure keeping a goat in the house is not something anyone would look forward to, but in some SHTF situations your animals are a critical part of your long-term survival and the ability to hide them from thieves, and wandering gangs, is an important consideration when deciding which dairy animal you will decide on. Cows will be MUCH more difficult to hide or even impossible. Keep in mind that livestock of all kinds will be far more valuable when food is scarce. In our modern world livestock thieves are not common. But in a post collapse world your livestock may be one of your most valuable resources. Your ability to protect and hide the livestock could be the difference between surviving and starving to death.
When discussing housing we can’t overlook pasture space. Cows are grazers and goats are browsers. That means that cows need good quality pasture to produce milk. Goats, on the other hand, browse (similar to deer)and are great at converting weeds to delicious milk. They don’t need large open areas of pasture. The down side is they love to eat trees and will kill any trees they have long-term access to as they strip off the bark of fully mature trees and eat the small branches of all trees. Eating an apple tree that is part of your long term survival plan isn’t a good thing but good fences and management will prevent that. Cows, because of their size, tend to destroy the ground in small pastures so it is important to have large grazing areas for cows. If you aren’t currently farming, and your dairy choice is the cow, you will need to have all the fencing on hand so you can put it up if TSHTF. You can tie a goat out and then move it as it trims everything within reach so a failure to have fencing prepositioned isn’t the disaster it could be if you plan on keeping a cow or two.
Another aspect of housing is feed storage. Keep in mind that in a complete collapse or an EMP, it is highly unlikely that you will not have access to baled hay. You will have to store loose hay, which takes up more space than baled. Do you have the space to put enough loose hay in a building to feed a cow for the winter, or is feeding a goat a more reasonable option when it comes to hay storage space available? Here is a website that will get you started figuring out how much space you will need for loose hay storage.
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