INTL 18 French active-duty servicemen to face MILITARY COURT over open letter blasting ‘Islamist hordes’ & looming ‘civil war’

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Eighteen French servicemen, who have been identified as signatories of a letter warning President Emmanuel Macron about a looming “civil war,” will come before a military court, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff said.

Each of the identified soldiers and officers would appear before a higher military council, the Armed Forces Chief of Staff, General Francois Lecointre, told Le Parisien. All of them would be subjected to “disciplinary sanctions,” with the harsher ones reserved for the most senior ranks, he added.

“I believe that the higher the responsibilities, the stronger the obligation of neutrality… is,” the general said. The chief of staff also said that those among the semi-retired generals who signed the controversial letter could potentially be forced to leave military service and go into full retirement.

“These generals will each appear before a higher military tribunal. Following this procedure, it will be the President of the Republic who will sign a decree on [their] retirement,” Lecointre said.

Such a strong response was sparked by an open letter declaring the country is headed toward “civil war,” signed by several former high-ranking military personnel as well as “a hundred senior officers and more than a thousand soldiers.” The appeal published in the conservative ‘Valeurs Actuelles’ news magazine urged Macron to save the nation from Islamism and the “suburban hordes” of immigrants.

One of those who signed the letter was the former commander of the French Foreign Legion, General Christian Piquemal. The general previously sparked controversy by participating in a protest against migrants in the French port city of Calais that once hosted the infamous “Jungle” migrant camp – a source of heated tensions with the locals.

Piquemal earned a personal harsh rebuke from Lecointre, who vowed to send him a letter to tell the general that “he is unworthy, taints the army and weakens it by making it a subject to national controversy.”

“I deny them all… a right to make political statements by highlighting their rank,”
the chief of staff added. Earlier, French Defense Minister Florence Parly already threatened to impose “sanctions” against the high-ranking officers involved in the affair.
In the wake of the controversy the French government also presented a new bill on fighting Islamist terrorism that would grant more surveillance powers to law enforcement. The government argued it would make security services more effective in a fight against a “threat that is more difficult to spot” without sacrificing fundamental human rights.

 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane

Majority Of French Agree With Military Generals That Nation Is Nearing "Civil War", New Poll Finds
Tyler Durden's Photo

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, MAY 02, 2021 - 08:10 AM
Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News,
A new poll has found that a majority of French people support the sentiments expressed in a letter signed by active duty and retired members of the military warning that the country is heading towards a “civil war” caused by failed multiculturalism and attacks on French identity.


Around 1,000 servicemembers signed the letter, including 20 retired generals, warning President Emmanuel Macron of “several deadly dangers” threatening France, including “Islamism and the hordes of the banlieue,” a reference to the fractured suburbs around major cities with high crime and immigrant populations.

The signatories also blame the “anti-racism” movement for seeking to create a “racial war” by attacking symbols of French cultural cohesion and identity, including statues.
The letter blames “fanatic partisans” for seeking to create divisions within communities that have created a vacuum for Islamists to assert their control.
“The hour is grave, France is in peril,” states the letter, which was published on 21 April – the 60th anniversary of a failed coup d’état.
The military servicemembers warn that the treatment of the “gilets jaunes” or yellow vest protesters exemplifies how the government has used the police “as proxy agents and scapegoats” for brutal oppression.
“It is no longer the time to procrastinate, otherwise tomorrow civil war will put an end to this growing chaos and deaths – for which you will be responsible – with numbers in the thousands,” the letter concludes.
Despite the letter being condemned by the government and the media, a new poll has found that a majority of the French people agree with its substance.

A survey by Harris Interactive found that 58% of respondents “support the words of the soldiers,” reports Valeurs.

A clear majority – 84% – said violence was increasing in society and 73% thought the country was disintegrating.

Almost three quarters think the “anti-racism” movement is having the opposite impact and making race relations worse.

Almost half (49%) also think that the military should be sent in to occupy problem areas, “which would act on its own to restore order.”

Only one in three respondents said the signatories should be punished, despite the minister in charge of the armed forces, Florence Parly, indicating that active duty members would face sanction.

“Two immutable principles guide the action of members of the military with regard to politics: neutrality and loyalty,” tweeted Parly.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
They KNEW what they were buying when they signed with their actual names and ranks.

Looks like it's going to be delivered to them.

This is coming from the same place where "Elan" apparently still resides. And as before it is going forth to try to hold back the deluge created by the politicians.

If "polling shyness" and manipulation is to be assumed to be as prevalent in France as in the US and those were still the statistics they released, the French political class are in real deep sewage that's about to have a super tanker worth of offal added to it.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Generals make French politicians nervous for good reason.
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When the French Army rebelled against its president - We Are The Mighty


The French Fourth Republic, facing mounting unrest at home and the growing possibility of an invasion by its own forces, collapsed. Gen. Charles de Gaulle, who had avoided politics since 1946 but retained massive support of the protesters and France at large, took power. A new constitution was approved in September and the Fifth French Republic was born.

For the French people, this was a potential return to stability and sensible government. For forces in French Algeria, this was seen as the chance to focus on the business of fighting rebels.

But the French people outside of Algeria were still not fully behind the war — and it only got worse over the following years.

When the French Army rebelled against its president

Workers set up communications for the Ministry of Armament and General Liaisons, a part of the resistance during the Algerian War that survived the end of the war and became part of the permanent government there.

By 1960, de Gaulle was working to negotiate peace with the rebels and the morale of troops stationed there plummeted. Mid-career and senior officers began refusing orders as some troops tried to avoid dying in the final days of a lost war while others attempted to achieve some victories that would strengthen the French position and prevent a second Vietnam.

It was against this backdrop that the retired and popular French Gen. Maurice Challe met with senior officers and proposed a second coup, this one against de Gaulle. He was joined in the inner circle by generals Edmond Jouhaud, Andre Zeller, and Raoul Salan, but the group enjoyed the support of other senior officers.

In the final hours of April 21, 1961, French paratroopers took over important buildings and infrastructure in French Algeria, especially the capital, Algiers. Challe took to the radio the next morning to call on all other troops in French Algeria to cease supporting Paris and follow him instead. It had been less than three years since some of those same troops had supported the coup that brought de Gaulle to power.

Challe threatened Paris itself in his radio address, saying he, “reserved the right of extending the action to metropolitan France to reestablish a constitutional and republican order.”

De Gaulle gave his own public address, while wearing his old uniform, where he called on the people of French Algeria and France as a whole to resist the attack on the Fifth Republic.

France, for the most part, followed de Gaulle. Workers staged a symbolic, hour-long strike to show that they could shutdown industry if the coup continued. Citizens rallied and prepared to occupy the airfields around Paris with cars and bodies to prevent any planes from French Algeria landing.

When the French Army rebelled against its president

The six-foot, five-inch Charles de Gaulle was popular at home and imposing everywhere he went, but he faced numerous attempts to force him and his government from power by vocal and well-organized opposition, including some generals in French Algeria.

(John Fitzgerald Kennedy Library)

In French Algeria, the sentiment was more closely split, but too few soldiers supported the coup and too many supported the government for it to succeed.

Many pilots and crews flew their planes out of the country and sabotaged their own aircraft to prevent further use. Soldiers refused to leave their barracks or organized their own ruling committees if they thought their officers were loyal to the coup.

Oddly, despite de Gaulle calling for resisting “by all means” and ordering loyal troops to fire on rebel troops, there were no known cases of troops loyal to France attacking or inflicting casualties on rebelling troops. Rebel troops are thought to have killed less than five people, a tragic loss of life, yes, but much less than would be expected in a rebellion with organized battalions on each side.

By April 25, it was clear that the coup attempt had failed and many of its leaders fled, including three of the four leading generals. Challe was left alone in barracks with the commander of the paratrooper regiment that had supported him, Helie de Saint Marc. Challe told Saint Marc, “you are young, Saint Marc. We are going to pay a heavy price. I will certainly be shot. Let me surrender alone.”

Saint Marc remained in the barracks and the men were arrested the following morning. Challe was later sentenced to 15 years in prison. He served a little over five before receiving a pardon from de Gaulle. Saint Marc was sentenced to 10 but also received a pardon.

The Fifth Republic, despite its rocky start, endures today. Algeria achieved independence in 1962, ending France’s colonial empire.

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Wildweasel

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The generals spoke out with the truth on their side. But in the times in which we live, the saying "Truth is treason in an empire of lies." is more real than ever.
 

Doomer Doug

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They were naive to think Moron would take them seriously. They should have waited for le pen to be voted in, and then moved. Normalcy bias in action yet again.
 

Housecarl

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They were naive to think Moron would take them seriously. They should have waited for le pen to be voted in, and then moved. Normalcy bias in action yet again.

Or they did it to be the "triggering event", akin to calling fire down upon your own position when you're being overrun.....
 

NoDandy

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Well it appears that Moron & the ruling elements of the military have no fear what so ever of the signatories of a letter warning President Emmanuel Macron. Therefore, they have become emboldened.

I would say the ball is in the court of the signatories !

This is worth watching !!!

:ld:
 

Housecarl

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Considering that the Greek and Portugese Coup d'états were run by colonels and below, the concern regarding who didn't sign the letter may start to nag at them.
 

Millwright

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Considering that the Greek and Portugese Coup d'états were run by colonels and below, the concern regarding who didn't sign the letter may start to nag at them.

Battalion commanders are about as far up the food chain as troops tend to notice.
 

Orion Commander

Veteran Member
What I get out of this is; it is considered treason for high ranking military leaders to offer an opinion to civilian leaders that differs from or criticizes current government policies. Especially if potential problems resulting from current policies are enumerated.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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What I get out of this is; it is considered treason for high ranking military leaders to offer an opinion to civilian leaders that differs from or criticizes current government policies. Especially if potential problems resulting from current policies are enumerated.

In commie land, the truth is treason.

Sharing it with the public is even worse.
 

NoDandy

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I would sincerely hope & pray that those patriotic Frenchmen will set a good example for the US military to follow !!!

:ld:
 

jward

passin' thru
I realize this is immaterial in the larger scope of things- but 20 generals signed on initially, with untold #s of other, lower ranking folks pitching in as well... why only 18 reaping the cost? Just a mind wyrm I can't get passed/past : )

Otherwise, I've found myself in the unexpected and unenviable position of envying France. Why have our armed forces power bases not made similiar pronouncements? It cannot be that they adhere to the neutrality doctrine, since that got tossed out in obvious and inelegant fashion- and they will be known and doxed for their sympathies by the hordes of krazy karens anyway- so-- -- -- Where are our fellas, and why does the cat have their tongues? : (
 

Housecarl

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I realize this is immaterial in the larger scope of things- but 20 generals signed on initially, with untold #s of other, lower ranking folks pitching in as well... why only 18 reaping the cost? Just a mind wyrm I can't get passed/past : )

Otherwise, I've found myself in the unexpected and unenviable position of envying France. Why have our armed forces power bases not made similiar pronouncements? It cannot be that they adhere to the neutrality doctrine, since that got tossed out in obvious and inelegant fashion- and they will be known and doxed for their sympathies by the hordes of krazy karens anyway- so-- -- -- Where are our fellas, and why does the cat have their tongues? : (

See the film "Paths of Glory" (released in 1957 and banned in France until 1975).....Collective punishment to dissuade the rest.
 

Dozdoats

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The Camp of The Saints Is Upon Us
By Paul Craig Roberts
PaulCraigRoberts.org
May 4, 2021

The national disintegration of France is progressing precisely as Jean Raspail predicted in his novel. Those who see the disintegration and urge its halt are the ones punished exactly as in the novel.

The situation in the United States is far more serious than in France. In the United States the authorities have brainwashed themselves with their belief in “American exceptionalism.” Consequently, warnings are not even acknowledged. I have been pointing out the ongoing American collapse for years, and it has never produced a debate.

It is too late for France and the US. If you read The Camp of the Saints, you will be brought face to face wth your own fate. The Democrats, the media, the woke “intellectuals,” the universities, and the public schools are hard at work preparing our doom. The United States are now the Disunited States. The blue states believe in white guilt, critical race theory, systemic racism, identity politics, and that all products of Western civilization, even mathematics, are symbols and devices of white supremacy. The red states do not have an understanding of the ideological assault that has been mounted against them. Their president was removed from office in a stolen election that was in every sense a coup, and the Red States accepted the removal of their president. The red states still believe in America even though America has ceased to exist. White people in general have been infused with a sense of guilt and are weakened in their own defense by self-doubt. Their monuments are removed, their history rewritten, their art and music denounced as racist, and their children turned against them in public schools and universities.

If you require more evidence of American collapse and the generalized collapse of Western civilization, read the last three chapters of Andrei Martyanov’s book, Disintegration: The Coming American Collapse. Actually, the collapse has already arrived. We just haven’t yet recognized it.

Martyanov and I have reached the same conclusion: “The American belief system as it exists today is incapable of accepting empirical evidence, because evidence destroys American exceptionalism’s extreme confirmation bias and most modern American intellectuals on both the nominal left and the nominal right cannot deal with it.” US policymakers base their actions in emotions, not in rational thought. No sophistication of any kind any longer can be found in Washington’s foreign policy which rests on barbaric immaturity. Martyanov gives the example of Brookings Institution senior fellow Benjamin Wittes, who professes to be a martial artist like Putin and challenges Putin to a fight “in single combat in a location where he can’t have me arrested.” Wittes writes that former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, State Department policy planning chief Anne-Marie Slaughter, and big name US presstitutes agree that “Putin needs to man up” and meet Wittes in a fight.

This infantile challenge epitomizes the violent character of US “diplomacy.”

The Disunited States are a multicultural calamity. While white liberals create an anti-white system of caste privileges, Washington pursues conflict with Russia, China, and Iran. Are demonized white Americans going to fight for a country that is abusing them and turning them into second class citizens? As Judge Robert Bork warned 25 years ago, “American culture is Eurocentric, and it must remain Eurocentric or collapse into meaninglessness. Standards of European and American origins are the only possible standards that can hold our society together and keep us a competent nation. If the legitimacy of Eurocentric standards is denied, there is nothing else. . . . We are, then, entering a period of tribal hostilities. Some of what we may expect includes a rise in interethnic violence, a slowing of economic productivity, a vulgarization of scholarship (which is already well under way.)”

American students are not enculturated into their civilization and neither are Europeans. In place of education there is anti-white indoctrination. University reading lists consist of compilations of rants by ideologues describing the horrors of slavery, which is said to be unique to Western civilization. National consciousness is being stamped out along with scholarly and artistic standards. As Bork warned, the destruction of Western legitimacy means only interethnic violence remains. In Raspail’s novel, the guilt-ridden French never reach this conclusion and experience genocide. It remains unclear whether insouciant white Americans will understand before it is too late for them.
 
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