TERRORISM Riots in Minneapolis (now the main riot thread)

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
MzKitty, this is starting to look like many of the science fiction, "end of the world," books I have read over the years. The ones with the "warlord" type leader who surfs through the chaos, gathers a band of well armed losers and then runs around looting small to mid size towns. Catches them by surprise, strips um bare, rapes and steals all the women etc. Seriously, this, if it it isn't bs is CLASSIC POST COLLAPSE BEHAVIOR. Loot the small towns. And Doomer Doug has to say that when/if this happens in a couple of days THE HYSTERIA WILL BE TOTAL NATIONWIDE. The last time you had armed bands raiding small towns was 1916 with Pauncho Villa in New Mexico, or the 1861 to 65 Civil War.

I don't see how Trump can avoid either the insurection act, Martial Law or just putting troops in and lining up Antifa and shooting them. all in the context of blue states that no longer even have the stomach to tear gas looters.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
MzKitty, this is starting to look like many of the science fiction, "end of the world," books I have read over the years. The ones with the "warlord" type leader who surfs through the chaos, gathers a band of well armed losers and then runs around looting small to mid size towns. Catches them by surprise, strips um bare, rapes and steals all the women etc. Seriously, this, if it it isn't bs is CLASSIC POST COLLAPSE BEHAVIOR. Loot the small towns. And Doomer Doug has to say that when/if this happens in a couple of days THE HYSTERIA WILL BE TOTAL NATIONWIDE. The last time you had armed bands raiding small towns was 1916 with Pauncho Villa in New Mexico, or the 1861 to 65 Civil War.

I don't see how Trump can avoid either the insurection act, Martial Law or just putting troops in and lining up Antifa and shooting them. all in the context of blue states that no longer even have the stomach to tear gas looters.

Why do I have to keep repeating myself too, Doug? Got to do what needs to be done. It's Orkin Man time.

:)
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Oregon really is a total basket case. Here the governor defends the large mobs gathering. God, she is more worried about staying six feet apart than burning downtown to the ground. :prfl:


Gov. Brown defends large gatherings to protest
by Joe English
Wednesday, June 3rd 2020
In spite of her executive order limiting the size of gatherings to help stop the spread of coronavirus, Oregon Governor Kate Brown said Wednesday that Oregonians have the right to protest.

Thousands of people have gathered day and night over the past week to protest police brutality and the way police treat minorities.

"I think it’s critically important that Oregonians and Americans exercise their right to free speech. I’m outraged, like many of my fellow Oregonians, with the lack of progress we have been able to make tackling the issues of racial injustice in this state and in this country" was the Governors response to a KATU reporter's question at a press conference Wednesday.

"And I think it’s critically important that Oregonians express that frustration, that anger, and that outrage. It took my breath away to see the photo of Oregonians this morning, on the Burnside Bridge. That is how we change harts and minds, and change systems, and change cultures."
There has been question about the use of tear gas at some of the recent protests, and how safe it is in a pandemic, and whether it could help a virus spread faster, especially through a large group.
The Oregon Health Authority released this statement Wednesday:

"While there is no evidence showing a causal relation between chemical irritants used for crowd control, such as pepper spray and tear gas, and the spread of a respiratory infection like COVID-19, the concern would be more about how the virus, which is spread in respiratory droplets through coughing, sneezing and contaminated surfaces, is passed between individuals. A chemical that makes a person cough, sneeze or experience other respiratory excretions could increase the risk of spreading such a virus, particularly among large gatherings of people who are within close proximity of one another (not practicing social distancing of at least 6 feet) and not wearing face coverings."


Governor Brown did ask people to keep practicing safe guidelines, staying six feet apart, and wearing masks. However, she did not specifically say other groups could still be singled out for not following her previous order on gatherings.

Those guidelines could soon change for some counties as they get ready to go into phase two of reopening.
Dr. Dean Sidelinger of the Oregon Health Authority says there will be specific guidance on increased sizes of group gatherings, but the rules could be different depending on where you live and what type of group is gathering, to maximize the opportunity for people to get together.
 

jward

passin' thru
Democratic governors urge GOP counterparts to oppose deployment of military to protests

Nation/World


by: Associated Press
Posted: Jun 3, 2020 / 06:33 PM PDT / Updated: Jun 3, 2020 / 06:33 PM PDT

National Guard vehicles are used to block 16th Street near Lafayette Park and the White House as Demonstrators participate in a peaceful protest against police brutality and the death of George Floyd, on June 3, 2020 in Washington, DC. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)


National Guard vehicles are used to block 16th Street near Lafayette Park and the White House as Demonstrators participate in a peaceful protest against police brutality and the death of George Floyd, on June 3, 2020 in Washington, DC. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)







Democratic governors on Wednesday called on their Republican counterparts to join them in opposing President Donald Trump’s threatened deployment of the U.S. military to quell bouts of violence that have arisen from protests over the death of George Floyd.

Several Democratic governors said the president is overstepping his authority and urged their colleagues to issue a bipartisan statement through the National Governors Association saying they oppose the president’s potential use of the Insurrection Act of 1807 to contain protests if governors were not able to get a handle on the unrest.
“It doesn’t matter what party you belong to; it’s an attack on states,” Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, a Democrat, said on a conference call, the audio of which was obtained by The Associated Press.
Trump derided many governors as “weak” on Monday and threatened to deploy active duty military across the country as thousands protested the killing of black men by police. Floyd died after being pinned to the ground by a white officer in Minneapolis who kept his knee on Floyd’s neck despite pleas that he couldn’t breathe.
Legal experts say the president does indeed have the authority under the Insurrection Act of 1807 to dispatch the military in states that are unable to put down an insurrection or are defying federal law.

Presidents have sent the military to Southern states to ensure desegregation of schools and to protect civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s. Troops were sent to Los Angeles after the California governor sought federal help during the 1992 riots that followed the acquittal of the white officers who were videotaped beating Rodney King.
On Wednesday’s call, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said it was the governors’ role to handle the protests in their state and it was “very disturbing” that Trump was “so distrustful” of so many state leaders. He urged governors to support a statement from the NGA saying Trump’s threatened use of military force could do more to inflame problems than to help states.
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz said Trump’s threats were a clear “federal overreach.” He said the state’s National Guard troops are meant for these types of situations, and urged unity among all 50 governors.
“This should not even be an issue, and if we all push back it won’t be,” Walz said.
Later Wednesday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom rebuked the president’s threat to send the military into states to quell violence.
“It won’t happen, it’s not gonna happen and we would reject that. We would push back against that,” the Democrat said while visiting black-owned businesses in Los Angeles.
He praised U.S. Secretary of Defense Mark Esper for breaking with Trump in saying federal troops should not be sent into states. “It’s just another zig and a zag deflection from an administration that’s on the ropes,” Newsom said.
National Governors Association chairman Larry Hogan, the Republican governor of Maryland, did not commit to taking such action. He noted that Defense Secretary Mark Esper said Wednesday he opposes using military forces for law enforcement in containing current street protests.

White House officials indicated even before Esper’s comments that Trump was backing away from invoking the Insurrection Act. At the same time, the president was taking credit for the deployment of federal and other law enforcement officers to the nation’s capital, saying it offered a model to states on how to stop violence accompanying some protests nationwide.
Hogan said he has spoken publicly against the use of military forces being deployed but cast doubt on whether there would be broad consensus from governors to rebuke Trump.
“It’s difficult to find 50 governors in agreement,” Hogan said.
 

jward

passin' thru
12 min ago
Atlanta is relatively calm tonight after a week of unrest

A woman is helped to her feet by police officers after she agreed to stop blocking a street during a protest, on June 3, in Atlanta.
A woman is helped to her feet by police officers after she agreed to stop blocking a street during a protest, on June 3, in Atlanta. John Bazemore/AP

In Atlanta, Georgia, tensions seemed to ease tonight as the 9 p.m. curfew came and went, according to CNN reporters on the ground downtown.
“Our message is getting out to protesters,” Lieutenant Kevin Knapp of the Atlanta Police Department told reporters. "We made strides today."
Knapp said that “99.9%” have been peacefully protesting, which police support, and that “it’s the 1% that show up later in the day (that) ruin the message.”
“We understand that there needs to be a change in the system,” he added. “But the other side has to understand us as well.”
Atlanta police face charges: Earlier today, six Atlanta police officers were booked after charges were filed against them related to a tasing incident on Saturday night.
The officers were filmed in downtown Atlanta breaking windows of a vehicle, yanking a woman out of the car and tasing a man. Both were later identified as students from Spelman College and Morehouse College.
 

jward

passin' thru
22 min ago
Peaceful protesters are still out in Washington, DC, as curfew approaches

Demonstrators march away from the White House during a peaceful protest against police brutality and the death of George Floyd, on June 3, in Washington, DC.
Demonstrators march away from the White House during a peaceful protest against police brutality and the death of George Floyd, on June 3, in Washington, DC. Win McNamee/Getty Images

In Washington, DC, large numbers of protesters are still on the streets even as the evening curfew approaches.
Crowds are lingering near Lafayette Park, though they have been pushed farther back from the White House than previous days, said CNN Correspondent Alex Marquadt on the scene.
Protests have been peaceful all day, he said -- earlier today, crowds were singing and cheering together, and the mood was light. But as night falls, "the mood is changing," Marquadt said.
Though things are still peaceful, there is a sense of tension with protesters facing a line of troops in camouflage.
"We're trying to determine whether they are active duty or National Guard," Marquadt said. "We know that around 2,000 to 3,000 National Guard (members) have been called up. Not just from D.C., but around the country. There are 250 soldiers who have been sent up here from Fort Drum and Fort Brag in North Carolina."
 

jward

passin' thru
3 hr 58 min ago
Trump: "I don't think we'll have to" send troops into American cities
From CNN's Jason Hoffman

From Newsmax TV
From Newsmax TV

Asked if the military has to be sent into American cities to restore law and order, President Trump said “I don’t think we’ll have to."
Trump said he has “very strong powers to do it” and said he might go beyond the National Guard “if it was necessary."
Some context: On Monday, Trump said in a Rose Garden event, “If the city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them.”
Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said Wednesday that he does not support using active duty troops to quell the large-scale protests across the United States.
"The option to use active duty forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort, and only in the most urgent and dire of situations. We are not in one of those situations now. I do not support invoking the Insurrection Act," he told reporters.
In the interview with Sean Spicer, which aired on his show on conservative outlet Newsmax, Trump went on to slam Antifa and what he called other “radical-left” groups for being violent amid the protests in the wake of the death of George Floyd.
Trump said while the nation needs healing, there also needs to be “safety in our cities.”
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Car just raced through a crowd of protesters in Newport Beach. Live so no link. It was on Fox 11 L.A.

Didn't look like anyone was hurt but everyone shaken up. They were peaceful and not crowding the car at all. Caught on live video so I am sure it won't be long until the driver is apprehended. Arizona plates.
If I lived somewhere this shit was going down and wanted the thin them out stealing a car and running a shit load of them down sounds like a good time.
 

jward

passin' thru
Hmm. I wonder if the "dogs of antifa/BLM" will be leashed now, to further the optics that all protests are peaceful, and ORANGE MAN BAD is a big ole bully dictator wanna be for discussing insurrection clauses and use of military...

I'll take anything that tamps down the flames and blood letting, no matter how briefly...
 

annieosage

Inactive
It's war.
As soon as the first window is smashed, you have rioters, not protesters. Anyone who is not just a protester, needs to clear out at that time. If some SJW hasn't got the common sense do do so promptly, tough cookies.

I agree with you mostly, but this was actually a very peaceful protest/ walk in Newport Beach CA. Doesn't get much more chill than than the beach. A lot of families and kids and this asshole decided to go speeding down the street intentionally trying to ram them. His car was not being attacked. He was not being attacked. No one was angry and pissed off and destroying things and looting. I watched it live. There was zero justification for this and all it does is add fuel to the fire.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Hmm. I wonder if the "dogs of antifa/BLM" will be leashed now, to further the optics that all protests are peaceful, and ORANGE MAN BAD is a big ole bully dictator wanna be for discussing insurrection clauses and use of military...

I'll take anything that tamps down the flames and blood letting, no matter how briefly...

No, they'll just lurk around until they're stronger, and then they will attack even bigger next time.

You don't kill one bedbug. You don't pull one weed. You get out the Round-up.

:dvl2:
 

nehimama

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If you live in North Central AR please beware that the villains known as antifa will be in Harrison, AR both tomorrow, Thursday and again on Friday.
There are rumors that they will roll into the smaller community of Mountain Home on Sunday.
Wow! I lived in NE AR until Sept 2019. Glad to be out of there, but don't feel very safe here; just a little SE of Detroit. At least, in AR, I lived WAY. WAY. WAY out in the boonies; 2 miles down a dirt road.
 

jward

passin' thru
..My ass it is!..:smkd:

12 min ago
NYPD Commissioner: "This is about a systematic issue, it's about racism"

NYPD Chief Dermot Shea holds a press conference on February 15, in New York City.
NYPD Chief Dermot Shea holds a press conference on February 15, in New York City. Yana Paskova/Getty Images

Speaking to CNN on Wednesday night, New York Police Commissioner Dermot Shea praised peaceful protesters and said he was "sickened" by the video of George Floyd's death.
"We've had incredible crowds the last few days, and by far, overwhelmingly, it's people coming out, voicing their concern," he said. "It's very small groups (doing) vandalism, violence, things of that sort."
He added that police officers were "trying to have a softer touch as possible, hear people, see people. We continue to reinforce that we respect the rights of people to peacefully assemble."
The situation in New York: There are still thousands of people on the streets, he said -- primarily in Manhattan and Brooklyn, despite it being past the curfew time of 8 p.m. There is also some activity on the outer boroughs, and many groups are on the move and marching.
There have been some arrests, but far less than the past few days, he said. There were no incidents of looting reported tonight yet, but he cautioned that "the night is still young, it's a fluid situation."
On police excessive force: When asked about several incidents in the past week of NYPD officers seen using excessive force during the protests, Shea said every case was being investigated by the police internal affairs office.
"This is about a systematic issue. It's about racism, it's about opportunities. And I think that on the law enforcement side, we are well aware of this on the executive side and in leadership positions," he said.
He also referenced the video that captured George Floyd's last moments, saying it "sickened me, it turned my stomach ... It was just a disregard for human life."

"Anyone that looks at that video, and isn't knocked off your feet, I don't know that you have a conscience," he said.
He added that he had already been working to create changes in policy and procedures, and that a wider societal change was needed.

"We really have to do a little more and change the culture ... If this doesn't show us that we have to do better as a society, this is the time to come together."
 

StarryEyedLad

désespéré pour le ciel
..My ass it is!..:smkd:

12 min ago
NYPD Commissioner: "This is about a systematic issue, it's about racism"

NYPD Chief Dermot Shea holds a press conference on February 15, in New York City.
NYPD Chief Dermot Shea holds a press conference on February 15, in New York City. Yana Paskova/Getty Images

Speaking to CNN on Wednesday night, New York Police Commissioner Dermot Shea praised peaceful protesters and said he was "sickened" by the video of George Floyd's death.
"We've had incredible crowds the last few days, and by far, overwhelmingly, it's people coming out, voicing their concern," he said. "It's very small groups (doing) vandalism, violence, things of that sort."
He added that police officers were "trying to have a softer touch as possible, hear people, see people. We continue to reinforce that we respect the rights of people to peacefully assemble."
The situation in New York: There are still thousands of people on the streets, he said -- primarily in Manhattan and Brooklyn, despite it being past the curfew time of 8 p.m. There is also some activity on the outer boroughs, and many groups are on the move and marching.
There have been some arrests, but far less than the past few days, he said. There were no incidents of looting reported tonight yet, but he cautioned that "the night is still young, it's a fluid situation."
On police excessive force: When asked about several incidents in the past week of NYPD officers seen using excessive force during the protests, Shea said every case was being investigated by the police internal affairs office.
"This is about a systematic issue. It's about racism, it's about opportunities. And I think that on the law enforcement side, we are well aware of this on the executive side and in leadership positions," he said.
He also referenced the video that captured George Floyd's last moments, saying it "sickened me, it turned my stomach ... It was just a disregard for human life."

"Anyone that looks at that video, and isn't knocked off your feet, I don't know that you have a conscience," he said.
He added that he had already been working to create changes in policy and procedures, and that a wider societal change was needed.

"We really have to do a little more and change the culture ... If this doesn't show us that we have to do better as a society, this is the time to come together."

So, he's now saying the police force is racist? Just a couple weeks ago, he was insisting that it wasn't.
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ny1.com

NYPD Commissioner: I Won't Stand for Department Being Called Racist
PUBLISHED 11:43 AM ET May. 13, 2020

3-4 minutes

NEW YORK - New York City Police Department Commissioner Dermot Shea on Wednesday condemned overaggressive enforcement of social distancing rules while defending his department against criticisms that arrests disproportionately impacting black New Yorkers have been acts of racism.

Shea called viral videos of police arresting minorities New Yorkers “disheartening” and “disturbing” and vowed accountability.

But he noted that New York is a majority-minority city. And in a heated defense of his officers, Shea rejected, “That this is business as usual for the NYPD or that this is quote-unquote racist policing.”

The commissioner said he wouldn’t stand for overaggressive policing by his officers but also wouldn’t stand for his department being called racist.

Shea addressed reporters as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s daily COVID-19 news briefing.
De Blasio called the enforcement “improper activities, which will be dealt with” and said “they’re the exception, not the norm.”

African-Americans have made up the majority of the city’s social-distancing arrests. The district attorneys of Queens and Kings counties have declined to prosecute their borough’s social-distancing arrests. And critics, including Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, have fiercely criticized the disproportionate impact on racial minorities.

De Blasio on Wednesday also was asked what public schooling may look like in the fall as the city struggles with the fallout of the coronavirus pandemic.

He lauded his signature universal prekindergarten program, saying that nearly 62,000 offers have gone out to students for pre-K seats in the fall.

But he also couldn’t say definitively that schools, which have been closed since mid-March, would operate as usual come fall.

Plan A was to open fully but there also are plans B, C and D, he said.

Testing, contact tracing and cleaning procedures established over the course of the next four months will determine what life for the city’s 1.1 million public school students will look like come August and September, de Blasio said.

“Let’s not discount the element of time here,” the mayor said, adding: “With this much lead time, my goal is a full reopening with any number of protections in place, but it will all be about the facts and the proof.”

The remarks about children in the city came against the backdrop of officials locally and nationwide working to understand and slow the emergence of a COVID-19-linked respiratory illness impacting young people.

New York City has 82 cases of of pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome, de Blasio said.

One child has died and 53 have tested positive for COVID-19 or antibodies, he said.

The city on Wednesday was set to launch a multilingual PSA campaign warning about the symptoms associated with the illness.

 

jward

passin' thru
So, he's now saying the police force is racist? Just a couple weeks ago, he was insisting that it wasn't.
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ny1.com

NYPD Commissioner: I Won't Stand for Department Being Called Racist
PUBLISHED 11:43 AM ET May. 13, 2020

3-4 minutes

NEW YORK - New York City Police Department Commissioner Dermot Shea on Wednesday condemned overaggressive enforcement of social distancing rules while defending his department against criticisms that arrests disproportionately impacting black New Yorkers have been acts of racism.

Shea called viral videos of police arresting minorities New Yorkers “disheartening” and “disturbing” and vowed accountability.

But he noted that New York is a majority-minority city. And in a heated defense of his officers, Shea rejected, “That this is business as usual for the NYPD or that this is quote-unquote racist policing.”

The commissioner said he wouldn’t stand for overaggressive policing by his officers but also wouldn’t stand for his department being called racist.

Shea addressed reporters as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s daily COVID-19 news briefing.
De Blasio called the enforcement “improper activities, which will be dealt with” and said “they’re the exception, not the norm.”

African-Americans have made up the majority of the city’s social-distancing arrests. The district attorneys of Queens and Kings counties have declined to prosecute their borough’s social-distancing arrests. And critics, including Public Advocate Jumaane Williams, have fiercely criticized the disproportionate impact on racial minorities.

De Blasio on Wednesday also was asked what public schooling may look like in the fall as the city struggles with the fallout of the coronavirus pandemic.

He lauded his signature universal prekindergarten program, saying that nearly 62,000 offers have gone out to students for pre-K seats in the fall.

But he also couldn’t say definitively that schools, which have been closed since mid-March, would operate as usual come fall.

Plan A was to open fully but there also are plans B, C and D, he said.

Testing, contact tracing and cleaning procedures established over the course of the next four months will determine what life for the city’s 1.1 million public school students will look like come August and September, de Blasio said.

“Let’s not discount the element of time here,” the mayor said, adding: “With this much lead time, my goal is a full reopening with any number of protections in place, but it will all be about the facts and the proof.”

The remarks about children in the city came against the backdrop of officials locally and nationwide working to understand and slow the emergence of a COVID-19-linked respiratory illness impacting young people.

New York City has 82 cases of of pediatric multi-system inflammatory syndrome, de Blasio said.

One child has died and 53 have tested positive for COVID-19 or antibodies, he said.

The city on Wednesday was set to launch a multilingual PSA campaign warning about the symptoms associated with the illness.


Don't try to use facts or logic, the migraine is not worth it! :: passing the bottle of xtra strength painkiller ::
 
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