BRKG charges raised to 2nd degree murder for one cop, aiding and abetting to the three others

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
Fox airing now,

Ellison holding press conference. charges increased for the first dumb-ass cop and other three are now going to be arrested for aiding and abetting murder in the 2nd degree. I don't know if other three asshats have been brought in yet. Developing
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
That's fine. They'll get a jury trial.

Ellison is prosecuting.....that ought to be a laugh-a-minute. We'll see how competent an attorney he is.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
In my decades of research, of the African race,
I have learned to think like one, if you can call anything
that they do, having been thought out.

Therefore, IMHO, the vast majority of Africans would like
the charge to be, capital murder, with death by hanging.

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
I can't disagree with that analysis above by Sean Davis. I wouldn't trust Ellison any further than I could drag him before breathing hard.

In order for that 3rd degree charge to have been upgraded, there has to have been some evidence that some new evidence strengthened the prosecutor's chances for a conviction.

On another subject almost, when are good cops going to quit standing by and start policing their own ranks of the bad apples by taking them out behind the woodshed and having some come-to-Jesus-and-fugetabouttheunion meetings?

And on the tin foil side, was this really a pointed message (which turned into a hit with an overzealous thug) done by whoever was laundering counterfeit money through that club? I doubt we'll ever know this side of the Jordan.
 

Fake Shemp

Banned for resurrecting the mayonnaise thread
If the perp doesn't do significant time, I mean 40 years to life, you ain't seen nothing yet.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
Does the perp get Epsteined in jail/prison or walk out the back door with an entire new identity?
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
This is my view cops must be able to subdue and hold a suspect/assailant e.g. by handcuffing wrists behind the back or similar, surely this is standard procedure.
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
It is my opinion they want him to walk free, they want an acquittal.

Then they can use that outrage, grow it, inflame it and fan it into an inferno to get the looting and rioting kicked back off again. I expect it to happen about the time we're just about over this current rioting and Trump's getting a handle on things...then this acquittal will hit.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Prosecutors seek right mix of charges in George Floyd case
by MICHAEL TARM, AP Legal Affairs WriterSaturday, June 6th 2020

CHICAGO (AP) — As damning as video evidence in the George Floyd case appears to be, prosecutors know they must bring the right charges underpinned by sound legal logic if they hope to convict a Minnesota officer in Floyd's May 25 death.

Exhibit No. 1 at trial is likely to be bystander video showing Officer Derek Chauvin pressing his knee into the back of Floyd's neck as the handcuffed Floyd says he can't breathe. Chauvin held his knee there even after the 46-year-old black man stopped moving.

But strong video evidence doesn't mean a conviction will be easy. When it comes to police officers charged with crimes in the line of duty, it never is.

"This is not a shoo-in," said Mike Brandt, a Minnesota defense attorney. "There are lots of lines prosecutors have to connect. If you raise questions about even one, you could raise reasonable doubts."

Here's a look at some questions and answers about the charges against Chauvin and three other officers, who were all fired:

Q: WHAT ARE THE CHARGES?

A: Prosecutors this week added a new charge against the 44-year-old Chauvin: unintentional second-degree murder. Initial charges of third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter remain.

Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao are charged with aiding and abetting both second-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter.

A conviction of second-degree murder carries a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison; third-degree murder carries up to 25 years; and manslaughter up to 10.

Potential sentences for the other officers depend on a conviction of Chauvin. If he's convicted of second-degree murder, they could face the same 40-year maximum.

Q: WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTS OF SECOND-DEGREE MURDER?

A: Under Minnesota law, unintentional second-degree murder involves causing "the death of a human being, without intent while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense."

The second part of that clause is crucial. Prosecutors say Chauvin killed Floyd while committing felony assault on Floyd.

For third-degree murder, prosecutors must demonstrate Chauvin caused Floyd's death by actions "eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life."

The complex and some argue poorly defined concept of "evincing a depraved mind" has been the subject of courtroom debate, so it's potentially harder to prove.

"The second-degree murder charge is far more appropriate," Brandt said. "It's spot-on."

Q: COULD FIRST-DEGREE MURDER CHARGES BE ADDED?

A: It's possible, and it's something Floyd's family wants. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, who is leading the prosecution team, said he's leaving open the possibility of new charges.

But first-degree murder would require a whole new level of evidence. Prosecutors would have to prove premeditation and intent. It would also require a motive.

Brandt said it would be a stretch, adding, "I think it is out of the question."

Q: ARE THERE RISKS OF OVERCHARGING?

A: Yes, especially in cases in which prosecutors face intense public pressure. Jurors may be more likely to acquit or become hopelessly deadlocked in chases where prosecutors bring charges they can't prove.

Q: SO WHAT'S THE CHARGING STRATEGY?

A: Bringing multiple charges against the officers is a way to give jurors a choice. It boosts the chances of a conviction on at least one charge.

Prosecutors know jurors are often torn. They often want to satisfy relatives' desire for justice with a conviction, while also showing some leniency to defendants.

If jurors struggle for a consensus, multiple charges allow for a compromise verdict, with convictions on some charges and acquittals on others.

Q: DID FLOYD POSE A THREAT?

A: A central issue in cases alleging excessive force by police is whether a suspect posed a threat.

The Supreme Court offered guidance in a 1989 ruling, saying an officer's fear is relevant to guilt and that officers "are often forced to make split-second judgments." The reasonableness of an officer's use of force, it said, should be judged "from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight."

It will be hard for Chauvin's lawyers to argue their client felt threatened or was forced to make a split-second decision with Floyd handcuffed behind his back, his face pressed into the pavement. In the video, Chauvin appears almost nonchalant, calmly slipping his hand in his pocket at times.

Q: WHAT MIGHT DEFENSE LAWYERS ARGUE?

A: Chauvin's attorneys could try to zero in on the cause of Floyd's death, blaming existing health problems, said Brandt.

They may point to the Hennepin County autopsy, which said Floyd died of "cardiopulmonary arrest, complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." It also noted fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use, as well as signs of heart disease and hypertension, without listing any of those factors as a cause of death.

A separate autopsy commissioned by Floyd's family concluded he died of asphyxiation due to neck and back compression.

Either way, prosecutors will argue the ultimate cause was Chauvin's actions.

Lawyers for Chauvin and the other officers also are likely to argue that nationwide outrage and protests triggered a rush to judgment.

Q: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER OFFICERS?

A: Proving charges against them could pose the greater challenge, especially with Thao.

Lane and Kueng allegedly held Floyd's legs as Chauvin pushed on his neck. That could convince jurors they actively contributed to Floyd's death. Thao, though, was standing several feet away, sometimes with his back turned to his colleagues.

"The mere presence at the scene does not constitute aiding and abetting," said Brandt.

Attorneys for Kueng and Lane have highlighted their clients' status as far junior to Chauvin.

Defense attorney Earl Gray said Lane asked Chauvin, a training officer, if they should turn Floyd over. According to the criminal complaints, Chauvin said no.

Gray said at an initial hearing Wednesday: "What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?"

 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It is my opinion they want him to walk free, they want an acquittal.

Then they can use that outrage, grow it, inflame it and fan it into an inferno to get the looting and rioting kicked back off again. I expect it to happen about the time we're just about over this current rioting and Trump's getting a handle on things...then this acquittal will hit.
Good thinking imho. If folks think back to the Rodney King riots of 1992, the riots didn't happen when he got arrested in March 1991. They happened in April 1992 when the 4 LAPD were acquitted of the felony assault charges (and 2 of them were convicted in 1993 of violating King's civil rights and were sentenced to 2-1/2 years(!) in prison).

20 some years later, 47-year-old Rodney King drowns in his backyard pool.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Being as Floyd's autopsy showed that he was Covid-19 positive, maybe the boys in blue got theyselves a buncha virus during the event and spread it around the department some.

Haven't heard anything about any quarantines......
 
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