ECON [FINANCE] First Deathburger Thread of the 2023 Banking Crisis. ALL welcome (hall passes at the door). Have At It.

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The Hammer

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Didn’t 2008 happen so fast that there wasn’t much time for people NOT to know what was happening??

I seem to remember following along (I was new to forums back then) and before that week was over it went “boom”

My memory could be skewed though.
Yes and no. Once things really developed, yes, it was quick.

But I recall weeks prior to that of Cramer and the CNBC Talking Heads telling us things were just fine.

The current situation actually reminds me a lot of that time. Not a carbon copy, but at least rhyming.
 

pinkelsteinsmom

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run time : 1:32 min

I vote yes, it is his voice and that is the plan. Cliff Highs latest also speaks to May. They are working hard in 5 red states to pass laws that will make their digital dollars come first over state money. This is orchestrated, this is the end game.



please listen below:

Unverified Statement by Biden on Financial Collapse Possibility
 

momma_soapmaker

Disgusted
Didn’t 2008 happen so fast that there wasn’t much time for people NOT to know what was happening??

I seem to remember following along (I was new to forums back then) and before that week was over it went “boom”

My memory could be skewed though.
We pulled everything out of an old 401k the week before it crashed. Took the hit on penalties and taxes, and haven't regretted it. We'd been watching the markets and saw it coming.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
First Republic Bank down 34% just before market open.
DAMN!!

THIS domino has been teetering on the edge for 6 days (since Friday evening).

I said a week plus ago that it was only going to take one, and we got Kabuki Bank Dying (complete with super Kabuki Makeup and winks and nods to the uber wealthy).

I'm not seeing ANY makeup on this dead bank waddling. We SHALL SEE!!!
 

tinfoil

Senior Member
Credit Unions are insured by the NCUA. I hope they're in better shape than the FDIC.
They are and they are. But the stupidity of sheeple is just as strong.

I strongly believe that those sheeple are why so many financial institutions are sending these emails and such reminding their members and/or clients that everything is ok with them.

Even an ‘in the best shape possible’, well capitalised credit union can fall victim to panic withdrawals.
 

rondaben

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This whole 2 Trillion + BTFP program that we are on the hook for now is what is going to destroy main street. Banks have a new "heads I win, tails I break even" program. Once they trade bad debt for 100% of the original value to the fed (not marked to actual market price" they will have two options. One, they can loan to consumers and allowing them mortgages, small business loans, credit cards and take a risk on those OR they can buy higher yielding risky investments and derivatives that if they tank they can simply get a refund from the US taxpayer. What do you think happens when you can't get a line of credit to run a small business? Its going to hurt, and its ultimately going to be deflationary to the public as they are forced to default. Banks don't care; they are made whole by taxpayers. The bad debt is all held by the Fed that has an unlimited balance sheet. You will own nothing.
 

hiwall

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Banks are heavily invested in the stock market. Last year was a bad year for stocks. Some people/organizations made money but many lost large amounts. Then came the rise in interest rates to hurt banks even more.
Thank goodness for the Federal Reserve giving the Big banks free money whenever they need it.
 

CaryC

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We pulled everything out of an old 401k the week before it crashed. Took the hit on penalties and taxes, and haven't regretted it. We'd been watching the markets and saw it coming.
While we didn't get out, we transferred everything into an available account called "cash with interest" so didn't lose anything.

Am not "feeling" anything now, but we also don't have anything in 401k either.
 
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bw

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We pulled everything out of an old 401k the week before it crashed. Took the hit on penalties and taxes, and haven't regretted it. We'd been watching the markets and saw it coming.
I told my wife in June or so that it was coming in October. We decided to sell our condo, and I told her and the realtor we needed to close by end of September. We finally closed in the first week of October and we were the last thing to sell in our area for three months or so. People asked me how I knew, and I asked them how they didn't.
 

rondaben

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FEDERAL RESERVE’S EMERGENCY LOAN PROGRAM MAY INJECT AS MUCH AS $2 TRILLION OF FUNDS INTO THE US BANKING SYSTEM AND EASE THE LIQUIDITY CRUNCH

Again - liquidity is not solvency.
In this case it does.

You have $100 in cash. You have $900 in investments but because of bad choices they are only worth $600. As long as less than $100 is needed to pay people their deposits you don't have to book the losses on the investments. If they need $101 you have to sell some of those investments at a 33% loss that is reflected on your balance sheet.
Now you can just trade all $900 (worth $600) to the fed for $900 in cash. Pay out the depositors as they come and invest what is left in riskier and riskier gambles that have high payouts if you win. If you lose, well, the fed (read as the US taxpayer) will buy them from you at par.

Banks cannot lose. In this case banks have no liabilities. Their bad debt is always worth what they paid for it. For that matter, why not maximize the charade and just stop offering checking and savings to consumers at all. That way there is never a concern about needing liquidity. Only venture capitalism that is guaranteed to always pay out.
 

WOS

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From a couple of days ago, It would appear that they still have a work to do.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...n-govt-issued-cryptocurrency-is-being-banned/

Action Alert – List of States Where “Money” Is Being Redefined and Non Govt Issued Cryptocurrency Is Being Banned


March 14, 2023 | Sundance | 371 Comments

Last week, South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem broadcast a warning on the Tucker Carlson show about a bill that passed her State House and Senate that she was forced to veto because it changed the definition of money and banned non-govt-issued cryptocurrency like Bitcoin. {Broadcast Warning Here}
The bill stems from the generally innocuous Uniform Commercial Code (UCC), which Daniel Horowitz describes as, “a set of standards to facilitate interstate sales and commercial transactions such that all definitions pertaining to such commerce are uniform and clearly understood.” It looks like Horowitz was the first to transmit the public warning, as identified by two members of the South Dakota House Freedom Caucus, and then Kristi Noem became aware – thus the veto.
Governor Noem warned that the bill was already passing through several states, and if you look at the UCC Amendment tracking page [DATA HERE], she is correct. The states in green on the map below are states where the UCC revision bill has already been introduced.

As Daniel Horowitz notes in his initial warning dated March 2, 2023:
“The revisions to Article I are very clear now that Bitcoin will not be money, because even though the definition provides for electronic money … it says that an asset that is adopted by a government as its medium of exchange will not qualify as money … if the electronic asset, such as Bitcoin, existed before it was adopted by the government. So Bitcoin, of course, exists today; it existed before El Salvador adopted it as its currency … so it will never be money for UCC purposes. The same for other kinds of crypto currencies.” So there you have it. Officials clearly mean to pave the way for CBDC while explicitly barring all competition. (more)

This is obviously alarming.
Additionally, with the timing of this national revision taking place very quietly; and with the failure of SVB and Signature Bank following a few weeks later; and with specific impacts to the cyptocurrency market; one is left wondering if the current bank “failure” and Biden team intervention was not an intentional crisis with a motive to push government controlled central bank digital currencies into the mainstream.
In essence, was the SVB banking collapse, a designed crisis? And as a result, was the federal government response predetermined and just waiting to be triggered?
When asked last week why her legislature would do this, Noem responded the state politicians likely did not read the bill as it was constructed by lobbyists. Noem is exactly correct and hits on a subject we have discussed here frequently {GO DEEP}. However, one of the more alarming aspects to Noem’s discussion of the issue is that around 20 other states are considering similar legislation. WATCH:

View: https://youtu.be/WVfRzWlmiXg

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While we didn't get out, we transferred everything into an available account called "cash with interest" so didn't loose anything.

Am not "feeling" anything now, but we also don't have anything in 401k either.
I did similar. Remember a post from a Scottish bank predicting something in six months, IIRC. I listened and acted. It helped.
 

The Hammer

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So, Credit Suisse is going to get the money from SNB--- and their last earnings statement was -25 billion in losses.
So the failing SNB is lending to the failing CS.
WOW!
And yet, people are taking comfort from all these pledges and assurances.

CS stock now only 2.21 a share. And that's up 2.5% today over yesterday.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
The only green indicators at the open are Silver, Gold, and the $:EUR

Monday was CLEARLY NOT the End here.

MAY need to re-up the Deathburger thread Sunday...


FML!

During the Great Depression, there were ups and downs too... people believed it was all over and then it would slam back down before the final crash came. It took weeks, if not months, to crash completely.
 
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