ECON [FINANCE] First Deathburger Thread of the 2023 Banking Crisis. ALL welcome (hall passes at the door). Have At It.

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Sacajawea

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I would build up a stash of emergency cash at home (assuming you can secure it). But do it over time, at irregular intervals in different amounts. Let's just start with 1 month of your expenses, and then get up to 3. Don't forget insurance payments. Then add your RE tax amount. At that point, assuming the banks haven't crashed work on 6 months worth.

CBDCs -IF - that is a real possibility, would take quite some time to phase in. I'm betting there'll be a pilot/trial period where this is an option to choose, in addition to the standard banking practices of today. Then, it would be quite some time before they phase out traditional cash/accounts. I think they've discovered that when it comes to our money, most of us are wary of change. I never did get comfortable with debit cards for 20 years or more, until I opened a self-funded checking account at a different bank from my normal accounts. I use that account to isolate the debit card from extensive fraud.

Took a lot longer than that - and the Covid post office delays - before I started paying bills online. Give up my greenbacks? From my cold dead hands!
 

CaryC

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First, thanks for posting this article. I learned a little more on the specifics.

Second, I thought FJB said he wasn't bailing out the big boys. Then I saw this:
"The White House says special assessments will be levied on banks to recoup these losses.
That means bank customers with less than $250,000 in deposits will indirectly pay for this through higher bank fees. In other words, this is an income transfer from average Americans to deep-pocketed investors. "

Do they think this kind of crap is funny? I guess it is to them since they are immune to any consequences for their lying and totally unethical and many times illegal actions.
Simply said, we don't make them pay.
Sure no problem.

I just posted a couple more articles, that is going down the Conspiracy Theory hole. And just a reminder it's the American taxpayer who is footing the bill the over 100 billion going to Ukraine as charity, not a loan.
 

Sacajawea

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OH... and before I start to resemble a pollyanna, any more than I currently do... I have been a believer in the whole burning edifice of the dollar/economy/gov't fiscal "responsibility" for over a decade now. I just don't think Friday & last weekend's hijinks are any more than a small incremental shift down the toilet. It's not blowing up YET. But down the road, I'm sure we'll see bigger issues that were generated by the actions of the Fed, FDIC & Treasury this past weekend.
 

jward

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The "ALL are WELCOME" is a little in-joke dig at the folks from "downstairs" in the Corkboard where we have sometimes daily watch threads with predictions as to where the Dow will end up. MANY of those denizens try not to get upstairs here for market watch threads. OR try to sneak into threads up here. Thus the Hall Pass joke as well.
Ahha. ty berry much. I was concerned, have no hall passes for any o' threads :eek:
 

Sammy55

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I had a brief text with a friend who is president of a smaller Ohio bank (which is part of a larger mid-west enterprise)- she said, for right now, us normal folks do not need to panic. Doesn't mean I won't make sure we have some extra cash on hand, but I trust this woman to shoot straight. If she finds out something different, she'll let me know.
While I agree with her, it only takes a few people running to the bank to incite a panic. Word will spread by wildfire with phones, emails, faceborg, twitter. No matter how much the banks says, "don't panic!," the people will panic and a bank run starts. Faster than your friend can say "pickle."

She might be trustworthy, but are the banks and the g o v and the people?

Better to be minutes early than seconds late.
 

SouthernBreeze

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Dow +128, but well off the day's high point.

I feel like this is a pause before the next leg down. The happy talk reminds me of when they were propping things up in the early phases of the 2008 crisis...

Everyone needs to use this pause to get a solid and indepth handle on their financial situation in light of what has just happened. That will vary by individual. Have a solid plan in the event the other leg drops.
 

Dozdoats

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y75sGBhAK8M

Andy Schectman: Extremely Heavy Gold, Silver Buying Following SVB Collapse
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2,655 views Premiered 59 minutes ago #silver #silverprice
Andy Schectman: Extremely Heavy Gold, Silver Buying Following SVB Collapse

After a turbulent weekend in the banking system, that included the closing of Silicon Valley Bank, the Fed and the FDIC guaranteeing the deposits, and also concerns about other banks, there was a significant rally in gold and silver on Monday, as well as a lot of physical precious metals buying.

In this week's physical silver report with Andy Schectman of Miles Franklin, Andy describes the conditions in the silver market, which just witnessed one of the heaviest days of buying the industry has yet seen. Which perhaps is not surprising after seeing a stunning run on the bank that unfolded in just a few days, and has left savers and investors concerned about how safe their money is in some of the banks.

Andy describes that customers were calling and in many cases cashing out their entire bank accounts in response to the events of the last few days. And with the markets raising the possibility that the Fed may now pause its interest rate hiking cycle at its next meeting on March 22, we're set for what could be a continuation of the interest in the precious metals.
 

Hfcomms

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Everyone needs to use this pause to get a solid and indepth handle on their financial situation in light of what has just happened. That will vary by individual. Have a solid plan in the event the other leg drops.

Nothing has been fixed and the contagin is spreading like quickly metastasizing cancer. People that are breathing easy because the stonx markets haven't tanked are making a mistake. Use the lull to position yourself better if you can.
 

Dozdoats

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#450- Schectman says callers are cleaning out bank accounts and buying metals. He says he has taken multiple million dollar plus orders in the last day.

Smells like confidence in the system to me.

ETA- I can tell from Andy's language how little sleep he got last night. He's the CEO here fwiw - Miles Franklin | Precious Metals and Global Investment Strategies
 
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20Gauge

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While I agree with her, it only takes a few people running to the bank to incite a panic. Word will spread by wildfire with phones, emails, faceborg, twitter. No matter how much the banks says, "don't panic!," the people will panic and a bank run starts. Faster than your friend can say "pickle."

She might be trustworthy, but are the banks and the g o v and the people?

Better to be minutes early than seconds late.
That is the total truth. The banks exist only as long as people have faith. Once that is gone, so is the bank.

A teller simply saying we are almost out of cash, ( meaning to get more from the vault ) and you have a bank run in minutes

A customer pissed off tells a friend a story and before you know it there is a bank run.

It never ends, as we all lose faith at some point.

The question to all is..... this the point we lost faith?????
 

SouthernBreeze

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I ultimately lost faith in 1996, when I bought my first gold.

It was 2008 for us. We still have dealings with our small regional bank (checking and savings accounts), but we keep an ever watchful eye on it. Since 2008, we have diversified all of our holdings. PM's, commodities, real estate, cash on hand on our person, Bank of Sealy, and a cash emergency fund. We also hold no debt.
 
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hiwall

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Nothing has been fixed and the contagin is spreading like quickly metastasizing cancer. People that are breathing easy because the stonx markets haven't tanked are making a mistake. Use the lull to position yourself better if you can.
While what you say is true but only to a point.
I think this was a total surprise to TPTB. They made a plan on the fly and so far it has worked. Right now I think all banks are being told what to do so this does not happen again until TPTB want it to happen. Until that time the Federal Reserve will keep all banks afloat and we are unlikely to even know if there is another problem.
 

Milk-maid

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REVEALED: Only ONE member of failed SVB's board had a career in investment banking - and the rest were Obama, Clinton mega-donors who 'grieved' when Trump won including one who went to Shinto shrine 'to pray'​

  • Tom King, 63, was the only member of the Silicon Valley Bank board who had experience in investment banking
  • The others were major Obama and Clinton mega-donors, including one who cried when Trump won in 2016
  • The board is now being investigated for its failure to act ahead of the bank's collapse, as some argue it was too focused on being woke
By MELISSA KOENIG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:02 EDT, 14 March 2023 | UPDATED: 15:47 EDT, 14 March 2023

Just one member of Silicon Valley Bank's board of directors had a career in investment banking, while the others were major Democratic donors, it has been revealed.
Tom King, 63, was appointed to the board in September after previously serving as the CEO of investment banking at Barclay's. He has had 35 years of experience in investment banking.
But he is the only one on the board with a career in the financial industry, while others are a former Obama administration employee, a prolific contributor to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and even a Hillary Clinton mega-donor who prayed at a Shinto shrine when Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election.
The board is now being investigated by federal authorities after it failed to prevent the bank from going under while it was investing clients' money in risky low-interest government bonds and securities.
It has previously been accused of being too focused on woke issues.
Tom King, 63, was the only member of Silicon Valley Bank's board that had experience in investment banking

Tom King, 63, was the only member of Silicon Valley Bank's board that had experience in investment banking
The failed bank's board is now being investigated by federal authorities after it failed to prevent the bank from going under while it was investing clients' money in risky low-interest government bonds and securities

The failed bank's board is now being investigated by federal authorities after it failed to prevent the bank from going under while it was investing clients' money in risky low-interest government bonds and securities

When the bank fell on Friday, it touted that its board included '1 black,' '1 LGBTQ+' member and '2 veterans.' It also noted that its board is 45 percent women.
But only one board member is under the age of 60 — while the oldest is 78.
And only King has experience in the financial investments industry.
The others were major donors to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Clinton, Obama and President Joe Biden who also made contributions to the political action campaigns for Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), a longtime member of the powerful Senate Banking Committee.
'Everyone knew it was the go-to bank for woke CEOs,' an unnamed source told the New York Post. 'They knew they were aligned politically. The companies SVB loaned money to all had a woke agenda.'
Among those members were Phil Cox, who sits on the governing board for NextGen Cyber Talent, a nonprofit that 'provides a platform to increase diversity and inclusion in [the] cybersecurity sector,' according to his online profile.
And Kate Mitchell, who cofounded the National Venture Capitalist Association initiative, Venture Forward which 'focuses on advancing opportunities for women and underrepresented minorities in [the] venture ecosystem.'
Mary J Miller, a former under secretary of Domestic Finance for the US Department of Treasury who ran in the 2020 Baltimore mayoral race as a Democrat, also served on the board.

Venture capitalist Kate Mitchell cried at Shinto shrine when she learned Donald Trump won in 2016​

Kate Mitchell, 64, has served on the Silicon Valley Bank board since 2010.
During that time, she donated a whopping $50,000 to Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential run, and cried when Trump eventually won.
She told CNBC at the time that she went to a Shinto shrine while on a trip to Kyoto that Thanksgiving to pray.
Kate Mitchell, 64, has served on the Silicon Valley Bank board since 2010

Kate Mitchell, 64, has served on the Silicon Valley Bank board since 2010

'I prayed for me and us to get beyond our grieving and shock, and to figure out how to engage and listen to what happened and come back together,' Mitchell said.
She had earlier celebrated how 97 percent of the tech industry's donations were going to Clinton's campaign, suggesting she would be 'friendlier' to their businesses.
'Ninety-seven percent support of Clinton is mind-blowing and really suggests that we're pounding the table.'
But she was less enthusiastic about Democrat candidates in 2020, only donating $593.33 each to the Democratic parties in Minnesota, Nevada and Pennsylvania.
Mitchell publicly said she prayed at a Shinto shrine in Kyoto after Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election.

Mitchell publicly said she prayed at a Shinto shrine in Kyoto after Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election.

Professionally, Mitchell cofounded the National Venture Capitalist Association initiative, Venture Forward which 'focuses on advancing opportunities for women and underrepresented minorities in [the] venture ecosystem.'
She takes credit for co-authoring legislation on individual private offerings that made it easier for startups to get publicly traded, and was awarded in 2021 with the National Venture Capitalist Association American Spirit Award, for her 'service to community centered around equity and diversity.'
Mitchell also advises the Rock Center for Corporate Governance at Stanford University.

Rite Aid CEO who credits success with being in an improv troupe​

Elizabeth 'Busy' Burr, 61, credits her success with being in an improv troupe

Elizabeth 'Busy' Burr, 61, credits her success with being in an improv troupe

She told Authority Magazine in a sit-down interview in February 2021: 'I've learned a lot from doing improv, and it's influenced how I think about leadership.'
Burr also detailed in that interview how she saw her role as a director as being about getting companies to diversify.
'We all need to start with being conscious. Recognizing that if we aren’t solving the problem, we are part of it. And that there is in fact a problem. A big one.
'People of color in this country face a far more difficult journey to achieve their dreams than I do, and the barriers they have to deal with are systemic and often unconscious,' she said, adding: 'We’ve just had 4 years of a President who unleashed a tide of racism and white supremacy.
'The bizarre upside of that is that there are many more important conversations taking place, but we have a long way to go.'
'It's not enough to just report the numbers, instead, we need to demand a deep look at company culture — what are the informal networks and behaviors that support the status quo. Discuss this at the board level and hold management teams accountable for real change.'
The interview came just nine months before she was appointed to the board of Silicon Valley Bank. A press release at the time noted she held positions at Citigroup and dealt with investment banking at Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse Boston.
Burr was also named the interim CEO of Rite Aid in January.

Winemaker with estate near Nancy Pelosi who is a prolific Democratic donor​

Garen K. Staglin, 78, made a name for himself with his eponymously named Staglin Family Vineyard in Napa Valley.
He and his wife, Shari, bought the 61-acre property in Rutherford, California in 1985. It is located less than 15 minutes from former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's estate.
Garen K. Staglin, 78, made a name for himself with his eponymously named Staglin Family Vineyard in Napa Valley

Garen K. Staglin, 78, made a name for himself with his eponymously named Staglin Family Vineyard in Napa Valley
Staglin has donated to his neighbor, public documents show, but has donated even more to Democrats in national races.
In 2020, he gave the Biden Victory Fund $10,000, and in 2016, he donated $54,000 to Clinton's Hillary Fund —on top of the $25,000 he donated the year before.
He also backed former President Barack Obama in 2011, with a $35,800 donation, and gave the Democratic National Committee $11,000 last year.
Staglin was appointed to Silicon Valley Bank's board in 2012.
At the time, CEO Greg Becker touted Staglin as a 'tremendous asset to our board.
'His experience and passions for winemaking, technology, investing and philanthropy, align perfectly with our strategy,' Becker said in a statement.
'His perspectives and contributions are a welcome addition to our dynamic and engaged board as we continue to pursue a global growth strategy and dedicate ourselves to the technology, venture capital, and premium wine industries.'
Staglin has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic presidential candidates. He is pictured here in 2017

Staglin has donated thousands of dollars to Democratic presidential candidates. He is pictured here in 2017

Former Obama administration official who got caught up in a race scandal as she ran for Baltimore mayor​

Mary J. Miller, 67, served as Obama's under secretary for domestic finance at the Treasury Department from March 2012 through September 2014.
Mary J. Miller, 67, served as Obama's under secretary for domestic finance at the Treasury Department from March 2012 through September 2014

Mary J. Miller, 67, served as Obama's under secretary for domestic finance at the Treasury Department from March 2012 through September 2014
In that position, she helped implement the Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation that set regulations on banks like SVB, which it is now being accused of skirting.
She joined the Silicon Valley Bank board in 2015, and in 2020, she ran for mayor of Baltimore, but finished third in a Democratic primary after a political action committee was accused of racism.
The Citizens for Ethical Progressive Leadership (a PAC organization that the Miller Campaign stated they never coordinated with) had sent an email to potential donors, saying Miller's campaign strategy was to target white voters — which would leave the two African American candidates to split up the Maryland city's majority black vote and clear her path to victory.
Miller would later insist that the PAC had nothing to do with her, saying in a statement to FOX 5 Baltimore: 'This is not who I am.
'There are not my values, or the values of those who work with me,' she said at the time. 'From day one, our campaign has been about every Baltimorean — black, white, Latino and Asian.
'We are committed to inclusion, dismantling structural racism and creating opportunity for everyone across our city,' Miller noted.
'Every day, we reach out to all voters and we are so grateful to the broad coalition that has been moved by our message.'
Still, her efforts failed, and she won just 15.6 percent of the vote.
She helped implement the Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation that set regulations on banks like SVB, which it is now being accused of skirting

She helped implement the Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation that set regulations on banks like SVB, which it is now being accused of skirting

Tom King joins the board in September 2022​

The bank finally named a qualified board member in September 2022, with the appointment of Tom King.
Kay Matthews, the chair of the board of directors, said at the time: 'Tom’s proven leadership within complex global financial services firms makes him well suited to join SVB’s board as the company continues to grow.
'Tom’s expansive knowledge of the financial services industry will contribute to SVB’s ability to execute its strategy and deliver long-term value for stakeholders,' she promised.
Meanwhile, Becker said in a statement that King has 'leveraged his global banking and corporate finance expertise, regulatory knowledge and keen relationship-building talents to build and transform businesses.
'His strategic thinking and values-led leadership will be an asset to our company and our clients.'
The company also announced at the time it had $214billion in assets and more than 7,700 employees globally.
It now remains unclear why the board failed to act as SVB was making risky investments.

Executives at the company began depositing much of its excess funds accrued during the COVID pandemic in higher-yielding, long term bonds, along with $80billion in 10-year mortgage-backed securities that pay out 1.5percent rather than the short-term Treasury Department securities that pay out only 0.25percent beginning in 2021.
That left the bank with a deposit base heavily skewed toward technology firms with huge accounts, over the $250,000 insured by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
By the end of 2022, a vast majority of the bank's deposits, $157billion, were held in just over 37,000 accounts that were over the FDIC's deposit-insurance gap.
It then continued business as usual, borrowing short-term from depositors and lending long-term without any interest-rates — even as Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell warned that higher interest rates were coming.
As customers started to ask for their money back as the economy revamped, SVB had to sell $21million worth of its underwater long0term assets with an average interest rate around 1.8percent.
That meant that the bank lost $1.8billion on sales, leaving executives frantically trying to raise more than $2billion to fill the hole, which it was unable to do.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
If it was Conservatives or MAGA that did these things, they'd be investigated and financially destroyed and or sitting in a FED GULAG for years

Amazing how much mileage you actually get paying (like FTX) off the DNC criminal enterprise (Regime) to gain/hold power.

They've got everything locked down with operatives in every department running the game in their favor.
 

Wyominglarry

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the fed is now buying all the junk bonds and bad mortgages from all the banks at par, which means at full value. this rewards bad investment decisions and just benefits the rich. For the average person this will mean much higher inflation, but the elites and rich do not care as it will not hurt them.
 

rondaben

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the fed is now buying all the junk bonds and bad mortgages from all the banks at par, which means at full value. this rewards bad investment decisions and just benefits the rich. For the average person this will mean much higher inflation, but the elites and rich do not care as it will not hurt them.
whats a few trillion more on the fed balance sheet. It allows them to keep raising rates.
 

Groucho

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the fed is now buying all the junk bonds and bad mortgages from all the banks at par, which means at full value. this rewards bad investment decisions and just benefits the rich. For the average person this will mean much higher inflation, but the elites and rich do not care as it will not hurt them.
Where are they getting the money to do that? Are they borrowing from Ukraine? (I'm only partly joking)
 

AlfaMan

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It was 2008 for us. We still have dealings with our small regional bank (checking and savings accounts), but we keep an ever watchful eye on it. Since 2008, we have diversified all of our holdings. PM's, commodities, real estate, cash on hand on our person, Bank of Sealy, and a cash emergency fund. We also hold no debt.
DITTO with the exception of real estate. Zero debt, thank you Jesus......... Ours is with a credit union; don't trust the chain banks. NCUA protects to the same dollar limits as FDIC and it's a lot easier to deal with. It's local and military so that helps . And bank of Simmons is getting much more attention these days. This world is crashing on so many fronts you get whiplash keeping up with all the events.

China threatening the US, Russia blowing a Reaper out of the sky, and a cascade of bank failures. Pull in the welcome mat.
 
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