ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
If the pro-Russian posters here are correct (the vast majority here), then Europa as we have known it is finished. Russia will invade and conquer all before it. Europa will be transformed into rubble.

A new dark chapter of repression will begin, even worse then in the Soviet Union days.

What really concerns me is that Martin Armstrong predicts WWIII to start (2024?) in Ukraine and nukes will be used by Russia.

I try to stay current with his current public and private blogs. However, he doesn't always indicate what is his own personal opinion and that which is from Socrates. He is very pro-Russian in his opinions, and I do question some of his historical claims about Ukraine and Russia.

Putin is no friend of America. A wild card is that Putin MAY be suffering from a terminal disease.
biden/Obama is/ are no friends of America. Both suffer from criminal insanity, infinite immorality, dementia, arrogant narcissism, and the entire DNC has sold its sold to the devil. The only wild card we have is Trump...
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
plans for Ukr spring offensive in the south towards Melitopol

three incidents of corruption uncovered

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View: https://youtu.be/6Mt9p7WiLok
I agree with a few of the things this guy says, but some just make me cringe. He is proud to say that ukraine will be taking back Crimea with the new equipment coming in from US, UK & Germany, among others. Those kinds of words have Russia polishing up some special contributions for those suppliers and the fight that was started by the Azov nazis and NATO/WEF gamesmen is not a fight I chose or wanted.

Who is paying (after bribing) all those suppliers- Morocco even! to send crap T-62 tanks and other garbage as well as the Leopards and missiles? If you can't figure it out, it is the US paying. This is the final push to collapsing our system, to make this can-down-the-road-kicking impossible this year so the great reset can take hold. Slavery has been bad enough over the last 50 years, but the shackles are being doubled and the noose tightened.

Take Crimea from Russia? Fine, if you can walk through nukes, be my guest. And thank you for joining up with those fine and honorable people running the US & UK & the Euro zone. When you shake hands with the devil, you already lost everything.

As for Russia not moving fast or not being mobilized enough, I would agree. Something is going on that we are missing. In wartime, when you are missing something, you get dead real quick.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree with a few of the things this guy says, but some just make me cringe. He is proud to say that ukraine will be taking back Crimea with the new equipment coming in from US, UK & Germany, among others. Those kinds of words have Russia polishing up some special contributions for those suppliers and the fight that was started by the Azov nazis and NATO/WEF gamesmen is not a fight I chose or wanted.

Who is paying (after bribing) all those suppliers- Morocco even! to send crap T-62 tanks and other garbage as well as the Leopards and missiles? If you can't figure it out, it is the US paying. This is the final push to collapsing our system, to make this can-down-the-road-kicking impossible this year so the great reset can take hold. Slavery has been bad enough over the last 50 years, but the shackles are being doubled and the noose tightened.

Take Crimea from Russia? Fine, if you can walk through nukes, be my guest. And thank you for joining up with those fine and honorable people running the US & UK & the Euro zone. When you shake hands with the devil, you already lost everything.

As for Russia not moving fast or not being mobilized enough, I would agree. Something is going on that we are missing. In wartime, when you are missing something, you get dead real quick.
Thought you might like this:

Johnstone: Let's Nuke The World Over Who Governs Crimea​

Authored by Caitlin Johnstone,
Critics of the US empire have spent months compiling mountains of evidence showing that the empire knowingly provoked the war in Ukraine. Supporters of the US empire have spent months posting dog memes and accusing strangers of being paid by Putin. It’s clear who’s in the right.

So does everyone else in the world get a vote on whether their lives should be risked in an offensive to control who governs Crimea? Or will the Biden administration just be making that call on behalf of all living creatures?

It’s so crazy how the fate of everyone alive and everyone who could potentially be born in the future is riding on the way two governments choose to navigate a conflict in Ukraine, just because those two governments have most of the world’s nuclear weapons. It’s like two people in a bar getting into a brawl that kills everyone in their city. Nobody else in the world gets a vote on the decisions being made that could kill everyone alive and end humanity forever; just a few people within those two governments and their militaries.



The US empire is telling Moscow “I’m the craziest mother****er around, I’ll keep ramping up the brinkmanship looking you right in the eye and daring you to use nukes,” while telling the rest of the world “I am the voice of sanity that you should all look to for leadership.”

One of the empire’s faces is the virtuous upholder of freedom and democracy, while the other face puts on an intimidating show of viciousness like a prisoner biting off someone’s cheek in the prison yard. At least one of those faces is necessarily lying.



Literally the only reason mainstream westerners are fine with the US empire’s nuclear brinkmanship with Russia is because most don’t understand it, and those who do understand it don’t think very hard about it. They avoid contemplating what nuclear war is and what it would mean.

Whenever I touch on this subject I get a bunch of replies like “Yeehaw! That’s right bitch, we’re standing up to Putin!” They’re not approaching the subject with anything like the gravity they would if they understood what’s happening and had seriously thought about what could be. They don’t understand how horrifyingly dangerous it is that the empire is considering backing a Crimea offensive, and they haven’t sincerely contemplated what it would be like for every living creature to die horribly and for no one else to ever be born again for all of time.

Whatever position you have on this whole conflict, you should be approaching the possibility of nuclear annihilation with the most profound solemnity imaginable, because it is without exaggeration the single worst thing that could possibly happen. Take it seriously, or be silent.



If a nuclear war between Russia and NATO erupts, the answer to the question “Was it worth it?” will be a decisive “No.” Not just for people like me, but for everyone, no matter how sympathetic they are to the western power structure and no matter how much they hate Russia. If their answer isn’t “no” immediately, it will be their answer in a matter of hours. If people don’t immediately understand the horror that’s been unleashed upon our world and how nothing could possibly have been worth it, they will understand it in short order.



The term Mutually Assured Destruction was first coined by Hudson Institute’s Donald Brennan in 1962, but he used it ironically, spelling out the acronym “MAD” in order to argue that it’s insane to hold weapons that can cause armageddon. These games of nuclear chicken are insane.

The argument for nukes is that the threat of their use wards off the large-scale conventional wars we saw in WWI and WWII, but that only works if the fear of their use deters conventional attacks. The US empire is getting more and more brazen with its proxy warfare against Russia.

It used to be undisputed conventional wisdom that hot warfare against Russia must be avoided at all costs because they’re a nuclear superpower. Now the idea of backing full-scale offensives to carve off pieces of the Russian Federation is gaining widespread mainstream traction. This disintegrates the uneasy stability that MAD is theoretically supposed to create, because MAD assumes the other side won’t be crazy enough to launch conventional offensives against a nuclear superpower due to fear of rapidly spiraling escalation into full-scale nuclear war.

If you’ve got two people pointing pistols at each other, an exchange of gunfire might be avoided for fear of retaliation. But if one of the gunmen breaks the standoff by walking toward the other holding a knife in his other hand, odds are the other guy pulls the trigger.



I hate it when I get people saying “I hope we do nuke ourselves off the map, we’re horrible.” It’s not okay for a few idiots to be playing games with every life on this planet. Just because you’re unhappy with life here doesn’t mean all the innocents around the world are, doesn’t mean the animals are, the bugs, the trees. Your disaffected feelings are not a valid reason not to fight this thing tooth and claw. Keep your omnicidal ideations to yourself.



Westerners frame the idea of nations like Russia and China “attacking their neighbors” as though that’s somehow less moral than the US attacking nations on the other side of the planet who cannot possibly pose any threat to US national security. At least Russia can make an argument that its invasion of Ukraine was in its national security interests due to US/NATO militarization there, and China could make similar arguments if it ever attacks Taiwan. US wars are done solely to defend US planetary domination, not the US.



Liberals are all about examining privilege except when it comes to western privilege. Then they’re more than happy to blow up everything and everyone for their belief in their inherent ideological superiority and their right to rule over every single country on earth.



Facebook, Instagram and Whatsapp are no longer designating the neo-Nazi Azov Regiment as a “dangerous organization.” To be clear, nothing has actually changed about the Azov Regiment. It’s still the same people with the same ideology. All that changed is the Official Narrative.

For years and years, up until just last year, the mass media had no problem acknowledging that Ukraine has a Nazi problem and calling Azov neo-Nazis what they are. All that changed is we moved into an information ecosystem of aggressive war propaganda.

No amount of PR rebranding will magically transform Azov neo-Nazis into wholesome moderates. You can change Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC, but it’s still the same stuff in the bucket.

 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
I agree with a few of the things this guy says, but some just make me cringe. He is proud to say that ukraine will be taking back Crimea with the new equipment coming in from US, UK & Germany, among others. Those kinds of words have Russia polishing up some special contributions for those suppliers and the fight that was started by the Azov nazis and NATO/WEF gamesmen is not a fight I chose or wanted.

Who is paying (after bribing) all those suppliers- Morocco even! to send crap T-62 tanks and other garbage as well as the Leopards and missiles? If you can't figure it out, it is the US paying. This is the final push to collapsing our system, to make this can-down-the-road-kicking impossible this year so the great reset can take hold. Slavery has been bad enough over the last 50 years, but the shackles are being doubled and the noose tightened.

Take Crimea from Russia? Fine, if you can walk through nukes, be my guest. And thank you for joining up with those fine and honorable people running the US & UK & the Euro zone. When you shake hands with the devil, you already lost everything.

As for Russia not moving fast or not being mobilized enough, I would agree. Something is going on that we are missing. In wartime, when you are missing something, you get dead real quick.

Morocco is providing T72Bs not T-62s. They were apparently upgraded in the Czech Republic.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
I agree with a few of the things this guy says, but some just make me cringe. He is proud to say that ukraine will be taking back Crimea with the new equipment coming in from US, UK & Germany, among others. Those kinds of words have Russia polishing up some special contributions for those suppliers and the fight that was started by the Azov nazis and NATO/WEF gamesmen is not a fight I chose or wanted.

Who is paying (after bribing) all those suppliers- Morocco even! to send crap T-62 tanks and other garbage as well as the Leopards and missiles? If you can't figure it out, it is the US paying. This is the final push to collapsing our system, to make this can-down-the-road-kicking impossible this year so the great reset can take hold. Slavery has been bad enough over the last 50 years, but the shackles are being doubled and the noose tightened.

Take Crimea from Russia? Fine, if you can walk through nukes, be my guest. And thank you for joining up with those fine and honorable people running the US & UK & the Euro zone. When you shake hands with the devil, you already lost everything.

As for Russia not moving fast or not being mobilized enough, I would agree. Something is going on that we are missing. In wartime, when you are missing something, you get dead real quick.
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting
 
23 Jan, 2023 08:21
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A top British think tank has revealed Russia’s cyberwarfare dominance over Ukraine – why has Western media ignored its report?​

The UK’s Royal United Services Institute admits Kiev has been completely overwhelmed by Moscow, despite having the best NATO tech
By Felix Livshitz

A top British think tank has revealed Russia’s cyberwarfare dominance over Ukraine – why has Western media ignored its report?

Russian servicemen of the Southern Military District’s electronic warfare units prepare to use a Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system in the course of Russia’s military operation in Ukraine. © Sputnik / Konstantin Mihalchevskiy

On November 30, the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), an elite military think tank, and lobby group, with deep ties to the UK government, published a landmark report entitled 'Preliminary Lessons in Conventional Warfighting from Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine: February–July 2022'. While desperate to portray the operation as a failure, even the normally Russophobic RUSI can’t ignore Moscow’s total cyberwarfare dominance over Kiev.

Complete superiority​

Buried in the document is a long section on the electronic warfare aspect of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. It found that within weeks of February 24, Moscow’s forces quickly established total dominance in this sphere by deploying extensive jamming infrastructure. Once achieved, Kiev’s most sophisticated cyber systems were not only totally confused, but absolutely crippled.

Before the attack, Ukraine had for some years been receiving the best Western reconnaissance and strike drones – Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) – IMF debt could buy.

These systems, RUSI states, were envisioned to be “critical to competitiveness” in a hypothetical future battlefield, by providing “situational awareness and target acquisition” second to none. However, as it turned out, the “attrition rates” of these high-tech drones were “extremely high” from February to July due to Russian electronic warfare prowess, and thy were destroyed completely at around 90%.

“The average life expectancy of a quadcopter remained around three flights. The average life expectancy of a fixed-wing UAV was around six flights … even when UAVs survived, this did not mean that they were successful in carrying out their missions,” the report records. “UAVs could fail to achieve their missions because the requirements to get them in place … prevented timely target acquisition before the enemy displaced. Many missions failed to find targets because there was no target at the specified location.”

A “more common” means of “mission failure” was “disruption of a UAV under control through electronic warfare, the dazzling of its sensors or the denial of its navigational systems from determining the accurate location of a target.”
“In other instances, the Russians successfully struck the ground control stations of the UAV. In aggregate, only around a third of UAV missions can be said to have been successful.”


RT

A Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle shot down by a unit of Airborne troops in the Kiev region. © Sputnik / Press Service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

Russia’s dominance in electronic warfare had further damaging implications for the precision weapons shipped to Ukraine from London, Washington, and other Western backers too. Moscow’s cyber divisions effectively “defeated” most of the precision weapons used by Kiev.

RUSI is a prominent and highly influential firm, and its publications typically generate enormous media interest – when these reports paint Russia in an overwhelmingly negative light, and talk up the need for Moscow to be countered through highly aggressive political, diplomatic, intelligence and military postures, that is.

Unheeded prophecies​

Aside from a single article in America’s Forbes magazine, this assessment has remained unacknowledged by any mainstream journalist or pundit for well over a month. It is not the first time a RUSI report has mysteriously received no recognition in recent memory. In late January, the think tank published an assessment of the value of Western arms shipments to Kiev.

It concluded there was little point in sending vehicles or weaponry of any kind to Ukraine, in the event fighting broke out with Russia, due to Moscow’s “operational art,” military doctrine, and “strategic thinking.” These long-held philosophies mean that the Kremlin and its armed forces chiefs consider battle an extension of diplomacy, and therefore leverage “superiority in long-range fires to achieve decisive effects against an opponent, which could in turn achieve strategic results.”

Among the “strategic results” sought is a battlefield where “massed ground formations in direct confrontations” are not deployed. Instead, by “inflicting enough damage to alter an opponent’s course of action, or signal that Russia’s intent is genuine, Russian strategic goals can be achieved without conflict.”

This would be secured by using long-range missiles in a “non-contact” military engagement – “the minimum level of force necessary to promote Russia’s regional goals and limit the need to deploy ground forces.” In other words, exactly what has unfolded over the course of the past year.

RT

Uragan multiple rocket launch system fires on the positions of Ukrainian armed forces in the course of Russia's military operation in Ukraine. © Sputnik / Russian Defence Ministry

“Armoured vehicles, short-range anti-tank weapons and air defence systems can only be useful in one scenario, one which is likely to be preceded by a harrowing and extensive period of non-contact warfare designed to prevent the Ukrainian armed forces from operating effectively at all,” RUSI forecast. “Their use will only be possible once all initiative has been lost and the situation is unlikely to be turning in Ukraine’s favour.”

The report’s conclusion was that the weaponry the West had sent and planned to send to Ukraine “does nothing to improve Ukraine’s odds of deterring Russia, or even defending against a Russian invasion once it has begun,” and any attempt to arm Kiev was “not likely” to defend “Ukraine’s sovereignty.”

Those who follow the progress of the Russia-Ukraine conflict not through the lens of mainstream media reporting, but more balanced information sources, will have seen this prophesy play out in real-time since February 24.

The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

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The RUSI Report: https://static.rusi.org/359-SR-Ukraine-Preliminary-Lessons-Feb-July-2022-web-final.pdf

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LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting
You clearly have no idea what a nazi is.
If you live in Ukraine, how much have you visited Donbas region? Been to Mariupol or Donetsk?

A nazi is not necessarily a German of the 1930s & 1940s. The German people of that era were blinded to the hazards the nazi thugs were dragging them. What did Hitler kill most? German people. What is Zelensky killing most? Ukraine people. Sure there are big control differences, but if you hail Zelensky as your president, you get the consequences tied tightly to your choices with a rainbow bow on it.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting
So... Just for clarification. The Literal 1940's Nazis who settled in Ukraine after WW2 just gave up their ideology? The children of who, ultimately ended up becoming the same Azov crew that was globally banned from social media up until just before the Russian invasion, because they were literally proud to advertise the fact that they were NAZIs?

And, none of the following is true?
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Note the 3rd SS Panzer Division Totenkopf skulls on the black flag below.
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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting

Bullshit

1. Nazis come in all shapes and sizes:

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2. Only the SS ( and it's divisions ) swore allegiance to Hitler only. The wehrmacht swore allegiance to Germany

4. You mean like Ukraine? President Zelenskyy Bans Opposition Parties in Ukraine

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.
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Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
You clearly have no idea what a nazi is.
If you live in Ukraine, how much have you visited Donbas region? Been to Mariupol or Donetsk?

A nazi is not necessarily a German of the 1930s & 1940s. The German people of that era were blinded to the hazards the nazi thugs were dragging them. What did Hitler kill most? German people. What is Zelensky killing most? Ukraine people. Sure there are big control differences, but if you hail Zelensky as your president, you get the consequences tied tightly to your choices with a rainbow bow on it.
What did Zelensky say for the history books? Azov is Azov.
The President of Ukraine is fully compliant with all of the Azov actions.
Killing mostly Eastern Ukraine citizens/people, sure, ok.
Azov is Azov.
Consequences are coming.
 
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The Oldest Lie and Why the End of the American Empire Was Delayed​



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By Batiushka for the Saker blog
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Roman Imperialists linked with Scotland. To their right is the first braveheart, Calgacus

Robbers of the world, having by their universal plunder exhausted the land, they rifle the deep. If the enemy is rich, they are rapacious; if he is poor, they lust for control; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter and plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they create a wilderness and call it peace.
Calgacus, AD 84


Introduction: Babylon and the Kingdom of Gold (1)
In Chapter 5 of the Old Testament Book of Daniel, we read of the feast of King Belshazzar and a mysterious hand, which wrote the following words on his palace wall: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN. These words were interpreted as meaning: ‘God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting; your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians’. It was the end of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, of the Kingdom of gold, as that very night Belshazzar the Chaldean king was slain. It was 539 BC. The End of Empire.

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Rembrandt’s Portrayal of the Writing on the Wall

Rome and the Kingdom of Silver
The first person to appear in Scottish history by name was called Calgacus (‘the Swordsman’). He was a leader of the Caledonians, later called the Scots, and is mentioned at the Battle of Mons Graupius in AD 84. He is referred to by the Roman historian Tacitus in his Agricola, who attributes a speech to him before the battle which we quoted above. A modern historian of Scotland has put it like this, in words that would sound familiar when applied to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and the Ukraine:

‘The reality is that the Romans came to what is now Scotland, they saw, burned, killed, stole and occasionally conquered, and then they left a tremendous mess behind them, clearing away native settlements and covering good farmland with the remains of ditches, banks, roads, and other sorts of ancient military debris. Like most imperialists, they arrived to make money, gain political advantage and exploit the resources of their colonies at virtually any price to the conquered’ (2).

The pagan Romans had a slogan, ‘Imperium sine fine’, or ‘Empire without end’. ‘Without end’ meant both in time/history and in space/geography. However, their Empire did have a geographical end relatively early on. This was in the form of a massive structure which took thousands of men some six years to build, begun in AD 122. It is called Hadrian’s Wall. This Wall separated the Roman province of Britannia, with its capital in the Roman-created Londinium/London, from the Caledonians in the north of the island. For the Romans were ultimately defeated by Caledonia, which since then has come to be called Scotland. Some will tell you that the Romans had too much trouble elsewhere in their Empire to bother to defeat the Caledonians, or that they hated their mountains and climate and that their sparse natural resources were not attractive enough to them. But do not forget native resistance. The fact is that mountain Caledonia was never subjugated by Roman Britannia, just as, some 1,820 years later, the mountain kingdom of Montenegro was never subjugated by Nazi Germany.

Of course, the Western provinces of the Roman Empire, miscalled the Roman Empire (3), did not fall because of the Caledonians. They fell in the fifth century because of later ‘barbarians’, though not without internal treachery and internal decadence. Indeed, there are some 200 conflicting theories as to why Old Rome fell. Nevertheless, the Scottish ‘barbarians’ (the Romans always called any who opposed them ‘barbarians’ – does that remind you of others today?) were the first who successfully resisted ‘Civilisation’. And so they put an embarrassing end to the Roman propaganda lie, ‘Imperium sine fine’, ‘Empire without end’.

Britannia and the Kingdom of Bronze
The British Empire was directly modelled on the Roman Empire. The very name ‘Britain’ all but disappeared after the Romans had abandoned their ‘Britannia’ in 410 AD. However, the name was revived by the imperialist Normans in 1066, who also transferred the English royal, spiritual and cultural capital from Winchester back to the old Roman political and financial capital, the City of Londinium. The Normans and their Jewish financiers thus set up a multinational Empire between Northern France and England, which soon expanded to Wales, Scotland, Western France and Ireland. After the fall of this French-speaking Britannic Empire in the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, partly as a result of the ‘Hundred Years War’, Britannia was revived again in the eighteenth-century. With its King imported from Hannover and its financiers imported from the Netherlands, the British Establishment had bribed the ruling class in Scotland into uniting with England and Wales in 1707. They soon celebrated themselves in their 1740 poem and later anthem, ‘Rule Britannia’.

After the final defeat of Napoleon in 1815, the aggressive mercantile nationalism of that anthem was fully justified by jingoistic Victorian imperialism. Their translation of ‘Imperium sine fine’, ‘Empire without end’ was ‘the Empire on which the sun never sets’. Its emblem on its pennies was the Roman ‘Britannia’, a powerful pagan goddess figure, holding a (Ukrainian?) trident.

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Why did the British Empire in its turn fall? Again, there is a host of theories. One of these is that the British imperialists abandoned even the pretence that their racist mission and bloody exploitation was to ‘civilise’ the rest of the world, to carry ‘the White Man’s burden’, and that all its massacres and mutilations around the world were somehow mysteriously justified by that mission. As the late African Archbishop of Cape Town, Desmond Tutu, said a few years back: ‘When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They said ‘Let us pray.’ We closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the Bible and they had the land’. Like all empires, the British Empire too vanished, as they say, into the dustbin of history. Every dog has its day.

The USA and the Kingdom of Iron and Clay
The Presidents of the American Empire live in the Neo-classical ‘White House’, or ‘Executive Mansion’, as it used to be called. It too is another Roman-inspired classical palace. Like Britannia, it too is just another revival of pagan Rome. Following the Second World War, which was won by the Soviet Union, from 1945 on, America, that is, the USA, ruled a large part of the world from that Mansion. Fawning Western journalists write of ‘the White House’ as the centre of their world – certainly as the source of their income.

In this USA, in 1992, a political scientist called Francis Fukuyama published his book, ‘The End of History and the Last Man’. In this he proclaimed that humanity has reached ‘not just…the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: that is, the end-point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalisation of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government’. Incredibly, there were actually some who believed in his nonsensical rehash of the Hitlerian Thousand-Year Reich (Empire). His title of ‘End of History’ was in fact only a rehash of ‘the Empire on which the sun never sets’ and the ‘Empire without end’. Exactly the same old lie of ‘manifest destiny’, but re-expressed.

Well, Fukuyama’s End of History ‘Thousand-Year Reich’ is now also over, not like Hitler’s in twelve years (1933-1945), but in thirty years (1992-2022). The end came with the Ukraine, the former south-western provinces of Russia. Why? Well, a host of reasons is given, but I would say that it was because those in the White House chose to persecute ‘the stone cut from a mountain by no human hand’, that is, because they chose to persecute the Church in the Ukraine. (See the Book of Daniel, Chapter 2) (4). Although the thugs and atheist neocons in the White House do not know this, we do know this: ‘Do not be deceived: for our God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that will he also reap’ (Galatians 6, 7). ‘For our God is a consuming fire’ (Hebrews 12, 29).

Why the End of the American Empire Was Delayed
But why did the US ‘Thousand Year Reich’ last not twelve years, but thirty years? Why so long? The answer is here: Why did President Putin and the Russian Federation as a whole allow the White House to take over Kiev and then most of the Donbass in 2014-2015? As a result, Russian forces have been faced since 2022 with the far worse task of liberating, demilitarising and denazifying the Ukraine. Worse still, because Washington has forced Kiev to reject any peace negotiations with Moscow and is sending the Ukraine much of what it has through its NATO proxies, Russian forces are faced with the even worse task of liberating, demilitarising and denazifying the whole of the US-run NATO. President Putin has himself admitted that he made a mistake in not acting in 2015. So why this delay in resistance and bringing about the collapse of the American Reich? There are three clear reasons:

1. In 2014-15 the Russian Federation was far too weak militarily, economically and politically to stand up to the bully of the Western world. A war of liberation initiated then could have ended up very badly for Russia, which had suffered greatly from Western ‘sanctions’ just for its liberation of the Crimea.

2. The Russian Federation government had too little support inside its Westernised self to resist. CIA assets, including treacherous followers of the Vlasovtsy (5), had infiltrated all its institutions, including even the Russian Orthodox Church. This was already clear in 1993 during the October Coup, Black October, in which probably thousands of Russian patriots were massacred by the pro-Western Yeltsin regime. Five years ago, I met a former US marine, who had been sent in 1993 to a base outside Moscow, together with 4,000 other marines, who had been instructed that they might be needed to put down an anti-American revolt in Moscow. (In the end, they were not). 4,000 US troops around Moscow in 1993 at the invitation of its drunken ruler? Yes. A fifth column of Russian Westernisers, pussy rioters, liberals, journalists, actors, musicians, oligarchs, politicians, educationalists? Yes. All Russian institutions infiltrated by traitors? Yes. Only in 2022 was the Russian Federation ready to resist the American bully. It had taken it until 2022 to get ready, and even then the traitors were there in abundance, though soon running away to Israel, Finland, Georgia and elsewhere (6).

3. Western readers should not underestimate the incredible naivety of Russians towards the West. The Russians did not think that the West would forbid Kiev to reject a peace agreement in March/April 2022, thus forcing Kiev and Western economies to commit suicide, like a spoilt child who hurts himself just in order to spite his parents. As a result the limited operation to free the Donbass had to be entirely rethought. Again, President Putin was quite recently shocked to learn that he had been lied to by the German Merkel and the French Hollande. He had been tricked into believing that the West was sincere and that it was actually going to implement the Minsk Accords to protect the Donbass. As those two Western leaders recently admitted, the Minsk accords had only been playing for time to allow the Kiev Army to prepare, dig in, arm, train and then invade. Western leaders are liars. Fact. The origin of this extraordinary Russian naivety seems to be because between 1917 and 1991 Russia was cut off from the West, it lived in a bubble, so that it never really grasped how completely underhand and perfidious the West is. I have been living in Western Europe for too long not to know it. Ten years ago a Muscovite put it to me very well: ‘We knew that the Communists were lieing to us about Communism. What we didn’t know is that they were telling us the truth about Capitalism’.

For example, here in the West we know an American who has a prominent position in a Russian organisation, whom we knew to be a CIA spy from the very outset. Yet, even today, in 2023, after all his destruction, all the doors in Moscow are open to him and all his anti-Russian actions are approved of in Moscow! Meanwhile, those who defend Russia, as patriots, the greatest friends that Russia has in the West, are persecuted by him! It is incredible, but it is true. This naivety is suicidal for Russia.

Conclusion: The Writing is On the Wall
2022 saw a tectonic shift in consciousness, the beginning of the end of Western domination after over 500 years of slavery and colonialist and imperialist exploitation. The unipolar world belongs to the past. Technology is universal. No-one has a monopoly. ‘Never send to know for whom the bell tolls’. It tolls for the Western world. ‘Imperium Sine Fine’, Empire Without End – the oldest lie. MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN. ‘God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting; your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians’. The Writing is on the Wall of Belshazzar’s White House.

22 January 2023

Notes:
1. For references to the Kingdoms of Gold, Silver, Bronze and Iron and Clay, see the Book of Daniel, Chapter 2.
2. Moffat Alistair, Before Scotland: The Story of Scotland Before History, London, 2005.
3. The Christian Roman Empire, centred in New Rome or Constantinople, did not actually fall until a millennium later. Its fall was brought on by a combination of Western barbarians (‘Catholics’), who plundered it in 1204, and the Ottomans who took its remnants over in 1453.
4. Orthodox Bishop Denounces Ukrainian Crimes At UNSC
5. The Vlasovtsy were pro-Fascist Russians who fought with Hitler against the USSR. Some of their children and grandchildren are still active, for instance in Russian Church life in the Russian emigration and in other domains. Unlike Orthodox Christians, they follow neocon ideology, that is, they can be socially liberal and pro-LGBT, but they are socially irresponsible, that is, always politically ‘anti-socialist’, as they would call themselves, or frankly Fascistic.
We Russian Orthodox, like all Orthodox Christians, are exactly the opposite. We are socially conservative, but socially responsible. In other words, though we have compassion for people who suffer from illnesses like homosexuality, we believe in healthy, traditional values, the Family and National Identity, and we also believe in social justice, free education and health care, the rich paying higher taxes to help the poor, that is, we are socially responsible. We do not believe in the myth of left and right, which leads straight to Uniparty dictatorship, the great myth of so-called ‘Western democracy’.
6. How Atlantic Integrationists and 5th columnists came to power in Russia | The Vineyard of the Saker


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Oreally

Right from the start
So... Just for clarification. The Literal 1940's Nazis who settled in Ukraine after WW2 just gave up their ideology? The children of who, ultimately ended up becoming the same Azov crew that was globally banned from social media up until just before the Russian invasion, because they were literally proud to advertise the fact that they were NAZIs?

And, none of the following is true?
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one thing i always had had fun doing is figuring out the ethnic background of people from their physiognomy. i am pretty good at it.

and i have seen few, actually no people here that would qualify as 'Germanic' . None.

"The Literal 1940's Nazis who settled in Ukraine after WW2 just gave up their ideology? " . this just is not even a little bit true. they would have been burned alive.

for one thing, after WWII, all of ukraine was under control of the USSR. and for a fact, NO nazis settled here after the war. where did you get that idea?

one last point. you realize that most people on the left in the US would label all of us here, as nazi. so you are in good ideological company. right?
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Bullshit

1. Nazis come in all shapes and sizes:

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2. Only the SS ( and it's divisions ) swore allegiance to Hitler only. The wehrmacht swore allegiance to Germany

4. You mean like Ukraine? President Zelenskyy Bans Opposition Parties in Ukraine


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"Only the SS ( and it's divisions ) swore allegiance to Hitler only. The wehrmacht swore allegiance to Germany"

not true in the slightest. in 1935 the entire German army swore personal allegiance to Hitler. i can dig up old clips of the incident , but you should do it for yourself.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
the
You clearly have no idea what a nazi is.
If you live in Ukraine, how much have you visited Donbas region? Been to Mariupol or Donetsk?

A nazi is not necessarily a German of the 1930s & 1940s. The German people of that era were blinded to the hazards the nazi thugs were dragging them. What did Hitler kill most? German people. What is Zelensky killing most? Ukraine people. Sure there are big control differences, but if you hail Zelensky as your president, you get the consequences tied tightly to your choices with a rainbow bow on it.
"You clearly have no idea what a nazi is."

this is actually an insult. i am certain i have read 10x if not 100x the number of books and studies of nazism than you have, since i was 12, starting with 'the rise and fall of the 3rd reich'. and ending last week with an excellent biography of Goering. how may have your read?

closest i have to been to Donbass is a small town between Mykolaiv and Kherson. but i have met and have corresponded with people from there.

one woman i know from Donetsk speaks russian, and is now in the UK. not russia. severe PTSD. stayed here in Lviv for a couple of months. broke down un tears when i tried to discuss the situation with her. fled to kyiv in 2014, not moscow.

bottom line, Zelinsky is a jew.

and the Azov units is only one brigade out of many fighting.

none of my personal friends who are in the army now are 'nazis'. most would be centrist democrats (small d) in the US.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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"You clearly have no idea what a nazi is."

this is actually an insult. i am certain i have read 10x if not 100x the number of books and studies of nazism than you have, since i was 12, starting with 'the rise and fall of the 3rd reich'. and ending last week with an excellent biography of Goering. how may have your read?

closest i have to been to Donbass is a small town between Mykolaiv and Kherson. but i have met and have corresponded with people from there.

one woman i know from Donetsk speaks russian, and is now in the UK. not russia. severe PTSD. stayed here in Lviv for a couple of months. broke down un tears when i tried to discuss the situation with her. fled to kyiv in 2014, not moscow.

bottom line, Zelinsky is a jew.

and the Azov units is only one brigade out of many fighting.

none of my personal friends who are in the army now are 'nazis'. most would be centrist democrats (small d) in the US.
It was not meant as an insult, but you should be ashamed that you are so confused on what a nazi is. Zelensky is a fake or khazarian jew. He is also a homo fag NWO tool.

Your one PTSD contact who could not talk with you could not tell you about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east and south who were hunted, tortured and murdered by the azov nazis. Maybe she saw how fruitless it would be. But you are totally free to choose your beliefs. Just don't expect me or anyone else to have to agree with your delusion and pay dear prices of blood and treasure to support your bad choices.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
It was not meant as an insult, but you should be ashamed that you are so confused on what a nazi is. Zelensky is a fake or khazarian jew. He is also a homo fag NWO tool.

Your one PTSD contact who could not talk with you could not tell you about the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the east and south who were hunted, tortured and murdered by the azov nazis. Maybe she saw how fruitless it would be. But you are totally free to choose your beliefs. Just don't expect me or anyone else to have to agree with your delusion and pay dear prices of blood and treasure to support your bad choices.
lets agree to disagree on this. or, you come here to judge for yourself
 

mistaken1

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"You clearly have no idea what a nazi is."

this is actually an insult. i am certain i have read 10x if not 100x the number of books and studies of nazism than you have, since i was 12, starting with 'the rise and fall of the 3rd reich'. and ending last week with an excellent biography of Goering. how may have your read?

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You seem obsessed with the german nazis.
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting
You are absolutely wrong
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
i just don't get all this 'azov neo-nazi' b.s.

just to be clear, real nazis

1. are german first and foremost. in 'mein kampf' hitler writes that slavs, such as the people ukraine are, absolutely sub-human and are destined to be slaves to the germans, their land taken over, 'Lebensraum ' , and the people there reduced to serfdom. later on Himmler came up with the 'ostplan', which had the lands here given over to massive german plantations.

2. have huge gatherings of hundreds of thousands of people, all waving swastikas, and swearing allegiance to a single leader, a 'Fuehrer '

3. live in a country in which all organizations, public and private are subsumed into the national identity movement.

4. live in a country in which there is only one political party.

5. unequivocally advocate the removal from all walks of life and even the actual extermination of the jewish people.

etc, etc.

oh, and the ubiquitous presence of the red and black swastika flag, an ancient symbol used throughout the world to symbolize the power of the sun.

literally none of that is present in Ukraine, or indeed among the Azov units. i have actually been all over the country in the past almost 3 years, and none of that applies anywhere i have been.

as it happens, i pass their hq almost every day. the only constant symbol i see there is the national trident symbol. i have never seen a swastika.

yes, a few idiots may have it tattooed on their bodies or may display it in random photos, but i bet i could find just as many idiots in Texas with it tattooed on their bodies too.

so calling the Azov guys 'nazis, is completely without foundation, just based on the tenets of 'nazism' present in 'mein kampf' alone.

it is simply mindless aspersion casting
Everything before this all broke out ...the azov battalion has self identified as a nazi or a neo nazi arm of Ukraine military..it may have been scrubbed and cleaned but still nazis .if you stayed up with this years back it was widely reported as far back as I've see since Ukraine began shelling ethnic Russian ukrain border towns
 
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Ukraine storing weapons at nuclear plants – Russia​

Kiev is using the facilities as cover for stockpiles of Western-made munitions, Moscow's foreign intelligence chief says
Ukraine storing weapons at nuclear plants – Russia

FILE PHOTO: The Rovno Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine. ©Wikimedia

Ukrainian forces are storing Western-supplied missiles and artillery shells in nuclear power plants, Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Director Sergey Naryshkin said on Monday. He claimed that Kiev has been using the plants as cover for ammunition stockpiles.

“There is credible information that Ukrainian troops are stockpiling the Western-supplied weapons and ammunition on the territory of nuclear power plants,” Naryshkin said, according to a statement on the intelligence service’s website. He added that the armaments include rockets for US-made HIMARS launchers and missiles used by foreign air defense systems, as well as “large-caliber artillery shells.”

According to Naryshkin, several cars loaded with “lethal cargo” were delivered by rail to the Rovno Nuclear Power Plant in western Ukraine during the last week of December alone. “They rely on the calculation that the Russian Armed Forces would not strike nuclear power plants because they realize the danger of a nuclear disaster,” the intelligence chief said.
And if another Ukrainian anti-air missile ‘veers off course’, causing large-scale detonation of the stockpiles and the destruction of the nuclear power plant, the tragedy could always be blamed on Moscow.
Both sides have raised concerns over the safety of power plants since the conflict between Russia and Ukraine broke out in late February. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) deployed a monitoring mission to the Rovno plant last week and promised to station experts in other facilities in Ukraine.

Russia has accused Ukrainian forces of shelling the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, which is Europe’s largest. It is located in the eponymous region which, along with three other former Ukrainian territories, joined Russia following referendums in September.

Kiev denied targeting the facility and claimed that Russia was using the plant as a base and cover for its soldiers. Russian officials said that heavy weapons have never been deployed to the site, and that a select number of armed security personnel were maintaining the safety of the plant, as it is located near the frontline.
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AFU Conducts Live-Fire Exercises In Pripyat, Chernobyl Exclusion Zone With American Gear​

This video is a bit disturbing to me personally, especially from about the last minute on. During the late 1980's I was standing in front of the building being assaulted in this video. At the time it was known that there are radio-logical hot-spots all around this area. Contaminated with Plutonium, Strontium, Cesium,, etc.. Extreme care was required and the use of monitoring tools was required just to travel by foot in these areas. To see soldiers practicing live fire in these areas without CBRN gear, not even masks, is disturbing. To be blowing these areas up is nuts!

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Oreally

Right from the start
This has nothing to do with germans
that is insane...

his entire speech is about Deutschland and it's Volk. entire speech. switch on autotranslate. it isn't about eskimos.

his entire career was about one thing: germany and germans.

he came up with Nazism. lived it. died for it. Nazism isn't about the slavs or the french, or the chinese, or the arabs.

Nazism is all about Germans and Germany.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Let's see what the Republic of Türkiye says.
My reaction to the US announcement was, "either the US has made a deal with Turkey, or they are about to tell Turkey to take a hike." If it is the second option, then Turkey has probably already done something behind the scenes to make them no longer useful to the US or even something actively hostile that can't be covered up. I know there are good strategic reasons why the US has tried to avoid an actual break in relations (or NATO). Still, it may simply be that the State Department has decided that Sweden and Finland are worth more than an unreliable partner who keeps threatening this, that, and the other thing.

I guess we will soon find out. This is one I am not sure of in either direction.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
23 Jan, 2023 12:57
HomeRussia & FSU

Ukraine storing weapons at nuclear plants – Russia​

Kiev is using the facilities as cover for stockpiles of Western-made munitions, Moscow's foreign intelligence chief says
Ukraine storing weapons at nuclear plants – Russia

FILE PHOTO: The Rovno Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine. ©Wikimedia

Ukrainian forces are storing Western-supplied missiles and artillery shells in nuclear power plants, Russian Foreign Intelligence Service Director Sergey Naryshkin said on Monday. He claimed that Kiev has been using the plants as cover for ammunition stockpiles.

“There is credible information that Ukrainian troops are stockpiling the Western-supplied weapons and ammunition on the territory of nuclear power plants,” Naryshkin said, according to a statement on the intelligence service’s website. He added that the armaments include rockets for US-made HIMARS launchers and missiles used by foreign air defense systems, as well as “large-caliber artillery shells.”

According to Naryshkin, several cars loaded with “lethal cargo” were delivered by rail to the Rovno Nuclear Power Plant in western Ukraine during the last week of December alone. “They rely on the calculation that the Russian Armed Forces would not strike nuclear power plants because they realize the danger of a nuclear disaster,” the intelligence chief said.

Both sides have raised concerns over the safety of power plants since the conflict between Russia and Ukraine broke out in late February. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) deployed a monitoring mission to the Rovno plant last week and promised to station experts in other facilities in Ukraine.

Russia has accused Ukrainian forces of shelling the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, which is Europe’s largest. It is located in the eponymous region which, along with three other former Ukrainian territories, joined Russia following referendums in September.

Kiev denied targeting the facility and claimed that Russia was using the plant as a base and cover for its soldiers. Russian officials said that heavy weapons have never been deployed to the site, and that a select number of armed security personnel were maintaining the safety of the plant, as it is located near the frontline.
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somewhat related:
RT 02:37

AFU Conducts Live-Fire Exercises In Pripyat, Chernobyl Exclusion Zone With American Gear​

This video is a bit disturbing to me personally, especially from about the last minute on. During the late 1980's I was standing in front of the building being assaulted in this video. At the time it was known that there are radio-logical hot-spots all around this area. Contaminated with Plutonium, Strontium, Cesium,, etc.. Extreme care was required and the use of monitoring tools was required just to travel by foot in these areas. To see soldiers practicing live fire in these areas without CBRN gear, not even masks, is disturbing. To be blowing these areas up is nuts!

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AFU again, were shelling the spent fuel concrete casks from Westinghouse before for weeks. And blaming the Russians inside.
Truly Stupid People.
I hope the entire country gets de-nazified right up to the Polish Border.
They are well on their way to cracking up.
 
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Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
My reaction to the US announcement was, "either the US has made a deal with Turkey, or they are about to tell Turkey to take a hike." If it is the second option, then Turkey has probably already done something behind the scenes to make them no longer useful to the US or even something actively hostile that can't be covered up. I know there are good strategic reasons why the US has tried to avoid an actual break in relations (or NATO). Still, it may simply be that the State Department has decided that Sweden and Finland are worth more than an unreliable partner who keeps threatening this, that, and the other thing.

I guess we will soon find out. This is one I am not sure of in either direction.
Incirlik Air Base is one of the major strategically located US military bases. The base is in Turkey, which means that it is operated by both the US and the Turkish governments, unlike other co-bases. Most other military installations are operated by the US government, but under the regulation of the hosting government. Things are different here.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Incirlik Air Base is one of the major strategically located US military bases. The base is in Turkey, which means that it is operated by both the US and the Turkish governments, unlike other co-bases. Most other military installations are operated by the US government, but under the regulation of the hosting government. Things are different here.
Thanks, I did know that, but I also know that things have been tense over that base for the last several years. My hunch is that if (and I mean if) the US is getting ready to tell Turkey to take a hike, things have gotten worse, or this is no longer considered as necessary as having Finland and Sweden in NATO. That isn't something I have the background to make an educated guess on either, but we should know soon.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
lets agree to disagree on this. or, you come here to judge for yourself

Gentlemen, Ukraine is in a war attempting to fight off an invasion by a larger nation. Emotions are running high here as opposing sides are being taken. Nothing is gained by making personal attacks on people who don't agree with you.

As I have said before this is NOT a case of pure White or Black; there's a huge band of murky grey. Both sides are corrupt, both sides have suffered mounting losses. Putin is no saint; he started this war. This invasion didn't have to happen. In this case, the enemy of my enemy isn't a friend of America or is fighting the WEF. Just because you hate Biden doesn't make Putin a hero.

Armchair warriors can argue endlessly about the details of the invasion, and critique the opposing side. Some here exactly repeat the Kremlin party line as the absolute truth. Both sides are engaged in a propaganda war, so truth is hard to find.

To me personally, the only thing that is closest to objective fact is the position of the changing front line. Both Russia and Ukraine basically agree about that, albeit each tries to emphasize their advances and cover up their defeats. There are some third party sources which attempt to base their analysis on verified information.

Ultimately, which side is "winning" or "losing" will be reflected by the bloody reality on the ground.

ETA: I just read a British estimate that Russia has suffered about 180,000 casualties (killed or wounded) and Ukraine about 100,000 casualties. I do NOT know of these figures are correct or not. Sad when you realize all this was unnecessary; due mostly to Putin's paranoia about NAZI's everywhere and NATO attacking Russia.

Ukraine hasn't invaded one square meter of Mother Russia.
 
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