BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Then for the love God, call up the CDC and tell them to quit making meaningless announcements…
CORONA CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID and Finally Admits the Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus
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emiliozapata
Senior Member
PCR actually only tests for nitrogen containing nucleobase sequencesThis has been posted before it is absolute rubbish that the PCR test cannot differentiate between Flu and Covid.
As has been posted before the PCR test has been withdrawn, because it ONLY test for ONE virus. Flu test ONLY test for ONE virus. The new tests for multiple viruses, so the patient only needs one swab, not multiple swabs. Much better for the patient.
PCR test recall: Can PCR tests tell the difference between COVID-19 and the flu?
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) voluntarily recalled a PCR test they'd been using. The recall was not because the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test was inaccurate.www.nebraskamed.com
And this story is all over the internet, has been debugged in Snopes as well.
Did the CDC Recall PCR COVID-19 Tests Because They ‘Failed Full Review’?
Social media posts alleged the tests were revoked after receiving the “most serious type of recall.”www.snopes.com
And many other places as well for months now.
dstraito
TB Fanatic
I do not think the point of this op is to use the PCR test to look for flu, it is the fact that the test could not distinguish between the flu and covid leading to 85% false.positives the first year. Flu stats went away while they just called everything covid to.fit the narrative.
Nope. The older pcr does not test for the flu at all. It cannot give a positive covid pcr test. The pcr tests for 3 targets that are only found on covid. It is highly specific to that virus. Positive for flu cannot cause a positive covid test.
It is for this reason that people are ALSO tested for influenza.
Read the announcement carefully.Then for the love God, call up the CDC and tell them to quit making meaningless announcements…
It clearly says that they are not renewing the EUA for the original PCR test. It also recommends that labs transition to the multiplex pcr that does test for both simultaneously since they won't be able to continue with the old test that will no longer be approved with expiration of the EUA.
That is completely incorrect.
The covid pcr tests for covid and covid alone. There is no cross reactivity with influenza---influenza cannot cause a positive covid pcr result.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
We have a lot of Flu going around in my area. There is absolutely no confusion of whether this is the Flu or Covid. If you test positive for the Flu, you've got Flu, and are treated for Flu.
PCR tests tested only for Covid. Multiple posters have posted that . eg post 46
I have asked posters before for their references that show high false positive rates, in your case 85% false positives. I have posted references in other threads, that show that there is a 4% false positive and a 30 % false negative rate for PCR tests.
So please post your references.
The covid pcr does not test for the flu. It cannot tell you if you have the flu or not. It only tells you of you have covid or not.
The flu test only tells you of you have the flu. It can't tell you if you have covid or not.
Neither can differentiate because the only test for one and not the other.
New pcr tests CAN test for both and DO differentiate.
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So are the antibody test specific for Covid-19 or just Covid in general?
danielboon
TB Fanatic
It does NOT say that. Provide a link to the exact statement on the CDC website and we’ll take it word by word, as we already did back when the announcement first came out months ago.
Antibody testing will simply tell you if you have been exposed in the past. If you have them you most likely were vaccinated or recovered from a prior infection. Having them doesn't mean you are immune; not having them doesn't mean you didn't have am infection or vaccine in a more distant past.
Several ways to test for antibodies, but the easiest is to use the antigen the antibody is for. If I test you for covid 19 antibodies I'm testing you against the actual covid 19 antigens. In that regard it is specific to covid 19 and not to the other common endemic coronaviridae. Antibodies are a bit tougher to use because they aren't necessarily specific to only one target.
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Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
From a doctor I know and asked at the beginning of this year....
If you test postitive, there was a 90-95% chance that it was a correct result (5-10% false positive.) If you tested negative could still be positive. There was a 25% chance of false negative. Like I've said before, when I worked in a lab many years ago, anything below 98-99% accuracy was laughed out of the lab. We also ran controls to weed out human error.
Because there are tests now that have gone through the full validation process and don't need eua. Also, as they can test for multiple things from a single swab its more comfortable for patients.
BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Well, I’m glad they renewed the EUA for the Biontech jab. Sounds like somebody dropped the ball.
And Chris52, dude you know the full validation test just like Pfizer's Comirnaty jab. So that is why they are still using the Biontech jab and saying it is fully approved. So I think they need to do the same with good old PCR test. Wait, let me get my slide rule out….
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had to laugh with "its much more comfortable for patients." I got a flu test once and when I was told it was a nasal swab for mucus, I figured no biggie. Nose was running like a faucet and they wouldn't have to go far to strike paydirt. But you know you're in trouble when the tech tells you not to swat her hand away! She kept going and going up my nose and I thought how far up? I think she swabbed my brain! I could hardly see out my eye to drive home because it was watering so badly.
I guess the comfort part is in knowing there is only one swabbing as opposed to one for each test.
Exactly!
I just received a call from one of my wife's former hospice nurses. She was asking me about some alternative cancer treatments my wife had used. I asked her about my premise that the pcr test would pop for covid and the flu and that because of that they would treat everyone that popped as if they had covid. She agreed. She is an RN. Has to do with the number of times they cycle the test.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
A year ago September my BIL had a stroke, My sis said the first thing they did when he arrived to a Knoxville hospital is swap his nose very deep. She said over the next day he had what appeared to be blood and pus coming out of the nostril swabbed. He died 3 days later.
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dstraito
TB Fanatic
The CDC came out with the 85% false positives figure and it was because of the number of cycles they ran the tests through.
The PCR test was not designed to test for the flu, I agree. The point is it could not differentiate between the flu and covid.
I guess we can just agree to disagree.
She is incorrect.
AddisonRose
On loan from Heaven
So my mother and all of the other elderly residents of assisted-living and nursing homes and rehabs who were in isolation for a year were held against their will based on a test that did not diagnose accurately Covid. Someone should sue the living crap out of somebody.
SmithJ
Veteran Member
It really is.
SmithJ
Veteran Member
That is not a statement from the CDC. That is just a line from a click-bait article that is (IMHO) intentionally trying to mislead people because of an agenda. And apparently doing a good job at that after reading the comments on this thread.
There's your explanation.
This was on the local news on the 15th.
RSV and other respiratory illnesses on the rise | KATU
"AFC, for example, we have a respiratory pathogen panel. We run the same single swab that goes in your nose to detect COVID, but then it detects influenza, other coronaviruses, rhinovirus, adenovirus, RSV, and bacterial causes as well," Miller explained.
Yes, the new multiplex pcr panels the cdc recommended.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Well as far as Little Bill & Commie Geo go, it's always been about profitability
hunybee
Veteran Member
Yes. I think that is the one we got when we went in.
It is fairly fast (compared to a few days for the PCR) and comes back in a couple of hours. The hospital said it is a round test that can test all of those with one swab. It is different than the at home swabs in regards the covid part. They said it is more accurate and can test for many things. They also said they have them special just for the hospitals.
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BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
That's why you are here…
wuffdan
Member
Families, Schools and Cities have been thrown into chaos because of this. How many Businesses have closed and how many Suicides have been committed over this?
HOW MANY V*CCINE RELATED DEATHS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THE CDC CHOSE PEOPLES HEALTH OVER PROFITS?
The CDC published this in July of this year and chose to let this charade continue until the end of the year. You know damned well that the CDC knew that this test didn't work when they asked for an emergency use authorization, they were informed by the man who came up with the test that it was not to be used for diagnosis.
How many billions of dollars have the Pharmaceutical companies kicked back to Government officials from the hundred of billions that they have racked in from this pandemic FRAUD?
Many need to go to Prison for this, from Private Corporations to Public Officials. Starting with Fauci.
F*CK.....JUST F*CK THIS SHIT!
HOW MANY V*CCINE RELATED DEATHS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THE CDC CHOSE PEOPLES HEALTH OVER PROFITS?
The CDC published this in July of this year and chose to let this charade continue until the end of the year. You know damned well that the CDC knew that this test didn't work when they asked for an emergency use authorization, they were informed by the man who came up with the test that it was not to be used for diagnosis.
How many billions of dollars have the Pharmaceutical companies kicked back to Government officials from the hundred of billions that they have racked in from this pandemic FRAUD?
Many need to go to Prison for this, from Private Corporations to Public Officials. Starting with Fauci.
F*CK.....JUST F*CK THIS SHIT!
The articles intentionally misrepresenting facts lead to this type of reaction.
BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Shhhhhhhhhhh, don’t upset the wizards of smart, without their timely analysis, we would all be sitting here exchanging leeches to suck out the demons that give you Covid….