OT/MISC Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and Injured Director. New Charges Filed!

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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I am sure it has been discussed already, but here goes anyway.

The woman shot-her husband works for the Law Firm that was on the side of Hillary Clintons Lawyer in court. They ;ost.

Baldwin has gotten on Social Media multiple tmes calling for people to be killed.

Over all else-he did not check the weapon before firing it. He is at fault. It does not matter how many others proclaimed it was "Unloaded". He pulled the trigger-his responsibility to check.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Ok since I no longer have an in-house expert to ask, I have what may be a stupid question but it is bugging me so please be kind, as I ask the experts here.

My question is: Why in this day and age of extremely good technology and the ability to add things to films after the fact are guns on movie sets actually not totally disabled (on the inside) in order to fire NOTHING; then simply let the "sound engineers" add whatever "bang" sound is appropriate later?

I mean I totally understand how until fairly recently, this would simply not have been a realistic option, but today when Hollyweird can revive dead actors to play short "roles" in movies, I simply don't understand why adding the "right" sound for any type of gun should prove that difficult?

Actually it's not a stupid or dumb question, OC and I wondered the same thing when the story hit NBC news last night.
 

TerriHaute

Hoosier Gardener
These are some of the ugliest comments I've read about someone in a long time. No matter what you think of his politics, acting, what have you, he is a fellow human being, husband, father of five or six kids. No matter what happens legally, he will have to live with this for the rest of his life. He deserves prayer, as does the young lady who'd lost her life and the young man who was also injured. The image of his grieving breaks my heart and offers insight into how devastated and broken he is right now.
I tend to agree with you but I keep in mind that he is an actor. Actors are all about drama and how they look to others. He was, I'm sure, genuinely distressed but he was also playing the role of anguished shooter. Hard to say how much of it was real and how much of it was for appearances.
 

Techwreck

Veteran Member
Before everyone rushes to judgement about the 24 year old twit in charge of the firearms, please remember that incompetence is now just another form of diversity. :jstr:

In all seriousness, it doesn't matter who said what.
Baldwin assumed, pointed, and pulled the trigger. This is on him.
Negligent homicide at the least.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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If I was the sheriff, I would have ordered drug and alcohol testing for Baldwin and everyone else who handled the firearm.

They could have lawyered up but that would not look good for public perception.

Stop babying these Hollywood elitists.
 
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Rabbit

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What I would like to know is was Baldwin in character and acting when the gun was fired or was he screwing around when he shot it off?
 

annieosage

Inactive
OK so last night I saw a rumor online that the police have arrested Alec Baldwin for murder and they found child porn in is home. Just now someone texted me this. Could be something to the Clinton connection...

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bw

Fringe Ranger

Dozdoats

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History veer (or thread drift) warning. We have gotten into the differences between component loading revolvers (the Colt Dragoon) and cartridge loading revolvers (the Colt Peacemaker) in this thread. We have not gone into how revolutionary it was to have one gun that could shoot multiple shots in the days when everything was a single shot or double barrel. Not going to veer further than that here and now however.

Also a revolutionary development was the self contained cartridge. For an introduction to just how much so, see

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHuNo2XU57g

Samuel Pauly Invents the Cartridge in 1812
RT 16:07

Samuel Johannes Pauli was born outside Bern, Switzerland in 1766, and became an engineer of wide interests. Among them were bridge design, passenger-carrying balloons (he would work seriously on a 15-20 passenger balloon service between London and Paris later in life), and firearms. Only a few years after Forsyth’s invention of fulminate priming, Pauly would become the first to use it in a fully self-contained cartridge. He patented this invention in Paris in 1812, having moved there in 1802 in pursuit of financing for his many grand projects (going then by the name Jean Samuel Pauly).

Pauly’s cartridge was a multi-part affair with a rimmed brass base containing a fulminate powder, connected to a paper or cardboard cartridge body which held a charge of regular gunpowder and the shot or ball to be fired. It was an expensive system, but contained all the necessary elements of a modern cartridge.

Pauly would move to England in 1814 (then taking the name Samuel John Pauly) in pursuit of aviation inventions, although he continued to tinker on his firearms design and filed to additional patent improvements. He died in London in 1821, and his name and work became rather obscure. His former apprentices would carry on his legacy in their own work - Nicolaus Dreyse would produce the needle fire system of Dreyse rifles used by the Prussian military, and Casimir Lefaucheux would create the pinafore system based on Pauly’s designs. Lefaucheux in fact became owner of the company in 1827, and with his son would provide the most direct link between Pauly’s design and the modern metallic cartridge.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Fascinating info DD. And COMPLETELY off topic.

- start new thread

- post link to new thread in this thread.

That’s how it needs to be done.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Notice that the latter articles are starting to imply this would not have happened of the union employees had not left?
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Notice that the latter articles are starting to imply this would not have happened of the union employees had not left?

Place I worked had a strike, the union people were out on the sidewalk, and we had a bunch of nonunion temps to keep things going. I could hear them fighting in the cafeteria, threatening each other with knives. So whatever disorganization there was on this film, I completely believe it went way further to hell when the union left.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
This isn't the porn hoax again, is it?

Search Warrant Reveals Alec Baldwin Shooting Victim’s Last Moments

New details from the movie set of “Rust” regarding the accidental shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins from a bullet fired by a prop gun wielded by actor Alec Baldwin have emerged.

A search warrant obtained by the Los Angeles Times said that Baldwin, a co-producer of the film, and the crew were setting up for a shot that required the actor to point his weapon straight at the camera. But because of a shadow being cast over the set that was creeping into the shot, the camera was adjusted to a different angle.

And when Baldwin was explaining to the crew how he planned to draw his revolver prop gun from his holster and where his arm should be to get the best angle, the gun went off.

Fox News added:
Director Joel Souza explained that he heard “what sounded like a whip and then a loud pop,” and noticed Hutchins, who he was standing behind at the time, grab her midsection as she stumbled backward. She “was assisted to the ground” by other crew members and camera operator Reid Russell recalls Hutchins saying she could not feel her legs.

Hutchins was later airlifted to the hospital where she was eventually pronounced dead. Souza, who was also injured in the incident, has since been released from the hospital.

Souza said three people were handling the gun for the scene. Armorer Hanna Gutierrez Reed reportedly handled three prop guns left on a cart outside the structure they were shooting in due to coronavirus restrictions. Assistant director Dave Halls handed one of those guns to Baldwin. According to a Santa Fe court, Halls announced that it was a “cold gun” before giving it to the actor, lingo meaning that the firearm was unloaded.


The warrant notes that Souza told sheriff’s deputies that the crew had prepared the scene before lunch and that they all ate away from the location. He said he was not sure if the prop gun was checked again before it was given to Baldwin as a “cold gun” — that is, one that was not loaded with live rounds.

“The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company,” Rust Movie Productions said in a statement to several media outlets. “Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down.

“We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time,” the statement continued.

A member of the crew is now predicting that the film will not be finished.

“None of us expect this movie to be finished. Ever,” an unnamed worker told The Sun. “We know this is the end of the road for ‘Rust ‘sadly.”

“Maybe way down the line it will get picked up again but right now, there’s no way it’s going to continue getting made. If by a miracle it ever is though, the movie will absolutely be dedicated to Halyna,” the staffer said.

“Not only is our director still fighting for his life, but there will be lawsuits I’m sure and a lot of other factors that will prevent this movie from ever being finished,” the worker said.

The film was low-budget by Hollywood standards — just $7 million.

The last time an actor was accidentally shot and killed on set was Brandon Lee, son of the legendary martial artist Bruce Lee. That film, “The Crow,” in 1993, wound up being completed and released to much success.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Detectives found loose ammunition inside a fanny pack at the 'Rust' set, report says

Sophia Ankel
6 hours ago

Detectives searching the "Rust" movie set found loose ammunition inside a fanny pack in their investigation of last week's fatal shooting of the cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, The New York Times reported, citing a court filing.

An inventory of the items discovered, which was filed to the Santa Fe County Magistrate Court on Monday, included three revolvers, an unspecified number of spent casings, as well as ammunition found in boxes, lying around loosely, and stored inside in a fanny pack, The Times reported.

The document did not specify whether the ammunition included live bullets, blank cartridges, or dummies, though live bullets are generally forbidden on movie sets, The Times reported.

"The fact that there is loose ammunition and casings raises questions about the organization of the armory department," said Mike Tristano, a veteran professional armorer based in Los Angeles, told The Times.

Tristano also said ammunition would typically be kept in a clearly labeled box.

The actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot Hutchins in the chest with a prop gun while rehearsing a scene for the movie last Thursday, according to an affidavit filed Sunday.

Baldwin, who was practicing removing his revolver from its holster and aiming it toward the camera, was told the firearm was a "cold gun," meaning there were no live rounds in the prop, the affidavit said, citing eyewitnesses.

Since the incident, several reports have emerged pointing to an unsafe filming environment on the "Rust" set.

According to the Los Angeles Times, several members of the camera crew walked off set to protest safety conditions just hours before the tragic shooting.

Dave Halls, the assistant director that told Baldwin the prop was a "cold gun," also had a history of unsafe work practices. A former colleague told NBC News that Halls neglected to hold safety meetings or make announcements before the appearance of a gun on a previous project they worked on together.

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the 24-year-old head armorer working on "Rust," also previously told a podcast she almost didn't take her last job because she wasn't sure if she was experienced enough.

Loose Ammunition Found in Fanny Pack on 'Rust' Set: Report (insider.com)
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
The person that pulled the trigger has the ULTIMATE responsibility..............but you can already tell that they are throwing the armorer and the other producer under the bus and trying to shield the actual shooter, Alec Baldwin!!

All three are FULLY accountable as well as the person/persons that actually put the live round in the pistol in the first place. The fact that they had THREE negligent discharges BEFORE the fatal shooting is just beyond imagination. You'd expect them to be triple checking every firearm after just one screw up, but THREE!?!?!?! WTF!

There was some SERIOUS STUPID going on, on that set. Incredible stupid!!
 

jward

passin' thru
Veteran prop master turned down ‘Rust’ gig over ‘massive red flags’

By
Lee Brown


October 26, 2021 8:49am

A veteran prop master has revealed he was offered the job to work on Alec Baldwin’s “Rust” — but turned it down after “massive red flags” left him convinced it was “an accident waiting to happen.”
Neal Zoromski told the Los Angeles Times that he was approached on Sept. 20 and initially said he was “very interested” to work on the Baldwin-produced Western.

But during four days of negotiations, he became alarmed that “Rust” appeared to be a slapdash production that put saving money over people’s safety, he told the California paper.
“There were massive red flags,” he said, saying that he emailed to turn down the gig.
“After I pressed ‘send’ on that last email, I felt, in the pit of my stomach: ‘That is an accident waiting to happen,’” he told the LA paper.
Prop master Neal Zoromski says that he is haunted by the choice of turning down the Rust position because he knew that the fatal shooting wouldn't have happened under his direction. Prop master Neal Zoromski says he is haunted by the choice of turning down the “Rust” position because he knew that the fatal shooting wouldn’t have happened under his direction.

Zoromski said he now feels haunted over the fatal shooting of 42-year-old cinematographer Halyna Hutchins — believing that had he taken the job, the deadly accident would never have happened.
“I take my job incredibly seriously,” he told the LA Times.
“As the prop master, you have to be concerned about safety. I’m the guy who hands the guns to the people on set,” he said.
 Halyna Hutchins Neal Zoromski said he believes he could have prevented the death of Halyna Hutchins if he had taken the job. BACKGRID
One of his key concerns had been that producers — who only had a budget of $7 million — refused his request to also hire both an assistant prop master and an armorer.
Days after he turned down the job, Hannah Gutierrez Reed — a 24-year-old ex-model who’d only been armorer once before — announced she’d gotten the job as the “property key assistant/armorer,” the paper said.
Just months ago, she admitted she was scared of taking on such jobs because of her lack of experience.
Rust set
According to Zoromski, there were “massive red flags” all over the project, including the producers’ choice to not hire an armorer. SplashNews.com

“You never have a prop assistant double as the armorer,” Zoromski said. “Those are two really big jobs.”
Zoromski was also concerned that the prop master was being hired just two weeks before shooting started, robbing the key crew member of the months of prep time they usually get, he said.
“In the movies, the prep is everything. … But here, there was absolutely no time to prepare, and that gave me a bad feeling,” he said.
People attend a vigil for late cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was fatally shot on the film set of Rust on October 24, 2021. People attend a vigil for cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was fatally shot on the film set of “Rust” on October 24, 2021. REUTERS/Mario Anzuoni

Since the shooting last Thursday, production has been shut down, and it is being investigated both by Santa Fe County sheriff’s deputies and the New Mexico Occupational Health and Safety Bureau.
The “Rust” producers late last week insisted in a statement that “the safety of our cast and crew is the top priority.”
“We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”

 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
From the OP:


The warrant notes that Souza told sheriff’s deputies that the crew had prepared the scene before lunch and that they all ate away from the location. He said he was not sure if the prop gun was checked again before it was given to Baldwin as a “cold gun” — that is, one that was not loaded with live rounds.


Zero chain of custody.....bang (of gavel), not guilty.

Tragic accident, or they throw the 24 yr old under the bus. After all, Baldwin is too big to fail.

Not saying I agree with it but I've seen what can happen with chain of custody claims. It's how most people walk, it's a technically. It's a way to black hole a case.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Wanna bet that while "THEY" were off having lunch AWAY from the set that someone left behind on the set did a little LIVE target practice with the UNSECURED firearms?!?!? And it's obvious that no one rechecked those firearms when they came back.....because of course they were "empty" before they left for lunch. FAIL - FAIL - FAIL - FAIL......then there were two or three for FAILURES to ensure the guns were safe before handing it to AN IDIOT! and now we have one dead and one wounded crew members.

1. She was too young and inexperienced to be an armorer.

2. That producer was too stupid to be handling a firearm and FALSELY declared it safe when he failed to check it himself.

3. That actor that was handed the pistol was also stupid and an IDIOT to be handling a firearm and failed to check it himself.

4. And someone on that set loaded that firearm with LIVE AMMUNITION!

5. The producers were TOO CHEAP to do the job right in the first place, failed to hire the right and properly trained people, they cut corners endangering everyone on the set and the result is that someone died. AFTER THREE WARNING SHOTS (negligent discharges) HAPPENED ON THE SET in as many days!! That's why the film crew left! Now how friggen stupid are these people?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm......

Posted for fair use.....

Following fatal 'Rust' shooting incident, Hollywood studios reviewing gun safety protocols

Washington [US], October 26 (ANI): The tragic death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, who was accidentally shot by actor Alec Baldwin on the Santa Fe set of indie Western 'Rust' last week, has shaken up Hollywood, prompting soul-searching over safety on sets and the use of guns.

According to Deadline, there are currently conversations underway at the major TV studios, which have been carefully examining their gun safety policies in the past few days and reviewing potential changes.

Hollywood has had a long, difficult history with guns, which always comes back in the spotlight after a tragedy. Shows depicting gun violence are temporarily shelved after a mass shooting out of respect for victims. Studies exploring possible links between violent content in movies, TV series and video games are commissioned periodically.

But guns have remained a Hollywood staple; they have been an indelible part of screen storytelling since the cinema's early days, solidifying their leading role through the Western genre, which 'Rust' falls into.

There has been individual, emotion-driven actions. Former 'The Blacklist' star Megan Boone, who is from Florida, had announced on social media in 2018 that her character on the NBC series "will never carry an assault rifle again" in the wake of the Parkland high school shooting.

Following Hutchins' death, 'The Rookie' showrunner Alexi Hawley wrote an internal memo that he described as "an emotional process." In it, he announced that as of last Friday, "it is now policy on The Rookie that all gunfire on set will be Air Soft guns with CG muzzle flashes added in post. There will be no more 'live' weapons on the show. The safety our cast and crew is too important. Any risk is too much risk."'The Rookie' won't be alone. 'Mare of Easttown' director Craig Zobel revealed after the 'Rust' incident that all gunshots on the popular HBO limited series are digital. "There's no reason to have guns loaded with blanks or anything on set anymore. Should just be fully outlawed. There's computers now," he wrote on Twitter.

Eric Kripke, showrunner for Amazon Prime Video's 'The Boys', tweeted, "No more guns with blanks on any of my sets ever. We'll use VFX muzzle flashes. Who's with me?"Purists have argued that using Air Soft guns and special effects is not the same as the real thing and an authentic recoil can only be produced by a real weapon. But as Zobel countered about using digital gunshots onscreen, "You can probably tell, but who cares? It's an unnecessary risk."As industry discussions continue, there is no indication that any studio or streamer are implementing a blanket policy banning "live" weapons from all of their shows. But safety protocols are being carefully reviewed and reinforced.

The sentiment I hear is that most studios consider the existing safeguards sufficient. Indeed, it has often been smaller-budget indie movies outside the studio system that have been prone to accidents. 'Rust' had the budget of an average episode of a high-end drama series, about USD 6-7 million, and a tight 21-day filming schedule.

As Neal W Zoromski, a veteran prop master who had turned down an offer to join 'Rust', told a news outlet, he initially asked for a department of five technicians, which would be standard in the business.

After concessions, he modified his request to two experienced crew members: an assistant prop master and an armourer, who handles prop guns. He was told the movie could only afford one person handling all these duties, prompting Zoromski to pass.

Because of the significant budget discrepancy between studio and indie productions, a universal ban of real weapons on sets might be the only solution in keeping all projects, big and small, safe.

As per Deadline, a grassroots campaign to ban the use of real firearms in filming is already gaining momentum. A Change.org petition, launched by filmmaker Bandar Albuliwi, has amassed 30,000 signatures since Friday, including support from filmmakers and stars, and has gotten the attention of lawmakers. (ANI)
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm.....

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Alec Baldwin’s fatal on-set prop gun shooting called ‘malfeasance’ by head of cinematography union

by: Miabelle Salzano
Posted: Oct 26, 2021 / 02:30 PM PDT / Updated: Oct 26, 2021 / 02:25 PM PDT

LOS ANGELES (KGET) — Halyna Hutchins, the cinematographer who was fatally shot on the set of Alec Baldwin’s new Western “Rust” Thursday, was a former student at the American Film Institute (AFI). Hutchins’s former professor, and chair of the department of cinematography, Stephen Lighthill, said this situation was “such an avoidable tragedy.”

“I worked in crime drama for many years as a cinematographer and working with armorers and cop people. We never had any accidents of any kind,” Lighthill said. “We all know the protocols that should be followed and if those protocols are followed there are no mishaps.”

“Somebody didn’t do something,” he added.

Baldwin was careful with guns before fatal shooting, crew member says
Lighthill, who is also the president of the American Society of Cinematographers, said there is no reason this should have happened.

“You can easily, in post-production, make a prop gun make like it’s firing a noise or a blast; it’s cheap. We do it all the time,” Lighthill said. “So to have a live weapon on set is just completely unnecessary.”

“I don’t want to say there should only be rubber guns on set,” Lighthill said, acknowledging that sometimes for a closeup, the real thing is necessary.

“But really,” he added. “There should only be rubber guns on set for 90 percent of the time.”

Lighthill said that there are safety laws in place to prevent situations like this shooting. He said everyone in the cinematography union carries a safety passport showing they went through a series of safety lectures and training sessions around the use of anything from scaffolds and ladders to explosions to chemicals.

He added that there needs to be accountability.

“If I take a drink and go get behind the wheel of a car and I hit somebody and they’re injured or they die, I’ve committed a crime,” Lighthill said, emphasizing that he’s not accusing anyone of trying to hurt someone else in a premeditative way. “I may not have premeditated it but I may end up going to jail,” he added.

Warrant: Assistant director unknowingly handed Alec Baldwin loaded gun
Lighthill first met Hutchins when she began volunteering for productions with AFI before she applied. He then interviewed her for her enrollment.

“One of the things that impressed us was the fact that, as a mother of a 5-year-old boy [at the time], she was willing to go back to school and study,” Lighthill said.

After her graduation, she was recognized by its magazine as a Rising Star.

“Any loss of life is to be mourned and to be avoided. In Halyna’s case, she was a really, really great person,” Lighthill said. “Very talented and just super motivated.”

“I hope a really thorough investigation takes place and whoever did this pays the penalty,” Lighthill added.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
In the first hour of Coast to Coast tonight it was reported that members of the film were regularly holding "plinking sessions" on the set with the "prop" guns. That explains the presence of live ammo on the set and shows a level of negligence and cluelessness that is unimaginable.
 

psychgirl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In the first hour of Coast to Coast tonight it was reported that members of the film were regularly holding "plinking sessions" on the set with the "prop" guns. That explains the presence of live ammo on the set and shows a level of negligence and cluelessness that is unimaginable.
I don’t know what plinking, is?
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah..the recreational plinking with the same guns used on set was widely reported all day yesterday.

Whoever was in charge of firearms for the filming was running a dangerously loose ship.
But that's been obvious from the beginning.
Hannah Reed whose picture I posted above poising with the prop weapons was responsible for the guns at all times 24/7. She is 24 years old and has very little experience with weapons. You can tell just how she carries the rifle. Remember that pot is legal in New Mexico and at 24 she may not be disciplined or sober enough to say no to others live shooting the prop guns Including herself. That morning a group of union workers were leaving due to unsafe conditions. They also broke for lunch and the guns where apparently placed on a table. If the unsafe conditions involved some morning plinking you got a story. Whatever Hannah‘s is washed up as a model and now washed out of Hollywood. More than likely facing charges.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Zoromski said he believes he could have prevented the death of Halyna Hutchins if he had taken the job. BACKGRID
One of his key concerns had been that producers — who only had a budget of $7 million — refused his request to also hire both an assistant prop master and an armorer.

It's disturbing how much these things cost to make. Even the lowest-budget garbage is still huge. I once wrote a screenplay that called for a handful of sets. The bulk of which took place inside a maze made mostly of plywood. A director I knew that released a couple movies took a look at it--I wrote him a press release in return--and he noted with what sounded like pleasant surprise that it could probably be made for about $1 million. I was assured that this was considered incredibly economical by Hollywood standards.
 
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