AlfaMan
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Italian circus, huh? Must've been a Fiat dealer?
Then it's a well built, high quality circus then. Fiat is one of few makes on the road with few recalls. Six total in the last 7 years if I remember correctly.
Italian circus, huh? Must've been a Fiat dealer?
Curious-what model Honda? All of them are under fuel pump replacement recalls, some still fall under the Takata airbag recalls; '16 and up Civics/CR-Vs/Fits still have the AC condenser recall. And most of the '16-19 motors still fall under the oil dilution warranty extension.
How long do you think it will take to electrify our auto systems? Using the standard production that we usually have, I would think it would take 15 yrs to replace gas with.
Cool old Maverick! What year is it, around 1974?It makes it real hard for our youth to truly understand the freedom of the road and the joy of their first car. Motorbikes will make a big comeback.
My 14 year old with his first car: it needs some work but it was his great-grandfather's car.
2021 Civic sport, and it's a braking issue, which means it's a huge safety issue and the mama bear in me isn't happy.
Either the parking brake (it's electronic) or the electronic tie in to the VSC (vehicle stability control) system. Not a huge issue in their recall system, hence low repair parts inventories. Seen very few brake issues with these but they do happen. Most of the issues I've seen can be remedied by a software reflash.
The first time, she had warnings of impact to the front left, stability issues, I forget all of them, but over a dozen warnings popped up. The dealership said a sensor on that corner of the car went bad, and they replaced it.
The second time, it was the brake assembly, but we now understand that's what it was the first time too, because that sensor is built into it? They replaced a whole bunch of parts, or that's what they said. I don't remember all of it without looking at the paperwork.
Four days later, she pulled into her boyfriend's place of employment, a different dealership, and the mechanics (or whatever they are called now) told her she couldn't drive the car. Something was visibly wrong enough they saw it when she pulled in to see him. She drove it across the street to a service station so it wouldn't look like she'd taken it to another dealership, and had the Honda dealership tow it in. They replaced something else in the same brakes -- front driver side.
The next time, it was low on brake fluid and they said they fixed the leak and refilled it.
The last time, they told her the brake assembly needs a part, and that's what I originally wrote about. I don't think this is a recall. I think something is screwy with that brake assembly, and I'm not confident they know how to fix it. The good news is that they got the part in and replaced it. She's driving it again (three days now), and so far so good. She knows to use the emergency brake if the pedal doesn't work. Unfortunately, when the car is moving you can't put it in reverse, so she doesn't have that option.
In college, I had sports cars and was more than capable of replacing my own brake pads (back when I couldn't afford to pay someone else to do it). I'm not stupid about brakes, but with all of the electronic bits, I'm not up on the problems and how to fix them, either.
The mechanical parts of brakes hasn't changed from when you replaced them yourself. It's the electronics tied into them these days that is causing the problems. Sounds like the caliper assy. on that left side needs replacing, and the dealer is trying to "stretch it out" by doing as little as possible until the warranty runs out. Then the customer is on the hook for the cost of all the repairs.
Even in the 21st century dealers still pull those kinds of stunts.
1973 actually!Cool old Maverick! What year is it, around 1974?
Their insurance requirements are pretty much industry standard. If it's been 4 times trying to get the vehicle fixed then definitely go for a refund or buyback under the lemon law. Or take Honda to court and squeeze them for a replacement vehicle and monies for pain and suffering. That happens a lot locally.They've fixed it five times in five months, and we've let them know that, inventory issues or not, we'll be pressing for relief through the lemon law if this fifth time didn't take care of it. I thought the dealerships were paid by the manufacturer when they made warranty repairs?
Also, the first four times, they said they couldn't issue a loaner car to someone under 25 due to their insurance. The fifth time, they found a way around that and gave her a loaner when I mentioned that they should just replace the car rather than providing a loaner, since we were well past the lemon law's requirements.
I'm really hoping they managed to get it fixed this time.
Replacement parts shortages are climbing by the day, back orders are mounting in our parts department. One for instance: There are zero engines or transmission assemblies available for 2007 to 2013 Chevrolet SIlverados, even used motors are getting impossible to find. Electronics, certain oil filters and so on and so on.... It is getting worse and worse. GM has sent dealers a notification stating they have partnered with a supplier of used parts we can offer customers if new parts are not available.In my opinion, a replacement parts shortage would be a bigger problem. We can easily manage a year of reduced new car production if we can keep the ones already in our garages running.
But, the market will out. If there's money/demand, production will eventually rise. Means higher consumer prices of course, but that's something that's coming at us from all angles anyway.
The manufacturers don't care about end user pricing, they are paid when the vehicle ships to the dealer, all dealers have the same cost. They really don't care how much you sell it for. Right now most dealers are marking new vehicles up $5000 or more over MSRP. Some dealers will only sell if you have a good trade in, they can't buy from auctions and can't get new inventory. So no trade in, sorry about your luck. I've been in dealerships for 25+ years and this is the worst problem we have ever seen. By 2022 you will start to see dealerships closing their doors forever if something doesn't change.I have read (don't have the article handy) that dealers and manufacturers are making plans for when the chip shortage abates to not go back to the old way of doing business - ie. less/no dealer incentives, a lot less inventory on the dealer lots and more focus on restricting pricing to MSRP. In other words, there's no going back.
Yea, actually, they make(at MSRP) 20% or so, PLUS holdback. Some cars more, some less.Replacement parts shortages are climbing by the day, back orders are mounting in our parts department. One for instance: There are zero engines or transmission assemblies available for 2007 to 2013 Chevrolet SIlverados, even used motors are getting impossible to find. Electronics, certain oil filters and so on and so on.... It is getting worse and worse. GM has sent dealers a notification stating they have partnered with a supplier of used parts we can offer customers if new parts are not available.
The manufacturers don't care about end user pricing, they are paid when the vehicle ships to the dealer, all dealers have the same cost. They really don't care how much you sell it for. Right now most dealers are marking new vehicles up $5000 or more over MSRP. Some dealers will only sell if you have a good trade in, they can't buy from auctions and can't get new inventory. So no trade in, sorry about your luck. I've been in dealerships for 25+ years and this is the worst problem we have ever seen. By 2022 you will start to see dealerships closing their doors forever if something doesn't change.
The dealers do, the manufacturers only get what they sell them to the dealer for. 25 years with GM, they don't care what we sell them for, they've already been paid.Yea, actually, they make(at MSRP) 20% or so, PLUS holdback. Some cars more, some less.
Absolutely!The dealers do, the manufacturers only get what they sell them to the dealer for. 25 years with GM, they don't care what we sell them for, they've already been paid.
In the past, I had audited a few dealers. For the most part, they would break-even during the year, and the owner would get the dealer hold-back at the end of the year. It was set-up that way for a reason.The dealers do, the manufacturers only get what they sell them to the dealer for. 25 years with GM, they don't care what we sell them for, they've already been paid.
Oldest daughter bought her first new car back in April. A Honda. It's been in the shop five times, but the lemon law doesn't help because there are no cars to replace it with. Hers is a sport model and those have been sold out for a while, and there are none in the pipeline to be made. This last time it was towed in for service, they told her they were fighting with another dealership for a part that a different dealership had. If they could get it, they'd have her car for her in a week, if not, they said it could be months before they could get the part to fix it. Thankfully, they got it, and she has her car back. Don't know how long she'll have it back this time.
My heart breaks for her.
TL : DR -- don't buy a Honda.
The mechanical parts of brakes hasn't changed from when you replaced them yourself. It's the electronics tied into them these days that is causing the problems. Sounds like the caliper assy. on that left side needs replacing, and the dealer is trying to "stretch it out" by doing as little as possible until the warranty runs out. Then the customer is on the hook for the cost of all the repairs.
Even in the 21st century dealers still pull those kinds of stunts.