Shit seems like half of them came from another state, I'd love to send them back to where they came from.
But then I suppose I'd get flack when you all discover the worthless assholes in Calif, are from your own state and you don't want them back.
COMMUNISM The stupidity in CA never ceases to amaze. Small engines & generators to be banned.
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Shit seems like half of them came from another state, I'd love to send them back to where they came from.
But then I suppose I'd get flack when you all discover the worthless assholes in Calif, are from your own state and you don't want them back.
jward
passin' thru
But would you have any confidence in the audit's results?
Hate to say it, but I think that it's probable that there was
rampant cheating, AND they would have prevailed, even
without it- just an impression of the tea leaves as support
for a recall grew legs, then was outpaced by the $ interests,
and true believers, et al.
..n there are a few ways to restore sanity to government,
but it's liable to be wet and messy work for which few, if
any, find an appetite : (
Hate to say it, but I think that it's probable that there was
rampant cheating, AND they would have prevailed, even
without it- just an impression of the tea leaves as support
for a recall grew legs, then was outpaced by the $ interests,
and true believers, et al.
..n there are a few ways to restore sanity to government,
but it's liable to be wet and messy work for which few, if
any, find an appetite : (
Old Reliable
Veteran Member
Let em starve in the dark
Profit of Doom
Dismember
You get cranky?
Windy Ridge
Veteran Member
I have battery powered chainsaws and a battery powered weed eater. They work very well on small trees and weeds around a house. It helps to have more than one battery. Large trees are more difficult. Last year I cut up a large fallen pine tree. The largest round of wood was 18 inches across. It took quite a while to make the last cut and 2 charges for the battery.
So, for light duty they work very well and can do medium duty rather slowly. I heat my little cabin with the wood I cut and some coal. Heavy duty work is for engines not batteries.
Windy Ridge
So, for light duty they work very well and can do medium duty rather slowly. I heat my little cabin with the wood I cut and some coal. Heavy duty work is for engines not batteries.
Windy Ridge
Shit seems like half of them came from another state, I'd love to send them back to where they came from.
But then I suppose I'd get flack when you all discover the worthless assholes in Calif, are from your own state and you don't want them back.
And I would agree with you. That state attracts stupidity like moths to a flame, of course we don't want them back, duhhh.
Well if he can I can.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
OK some of that is probably air-quality focused; 2-cycle motors are notorious polluters.Bill banning small, gas-powered engines and generators heads to Governor's desk | KMPH
Bill banning small, gas-powered engines and generators heads to Governor's desk
by Liz Gonzalez
Wednesday, September 22nd 2021
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AB1346 would ban the production of small, gas-powered engines used in lawn and garden equipment and generators. (Photo: FOX26 News Photojournalist Bert Montelongo)
FRESNO, Calif. (FOX26) — A bill is now on Governor Gavin Newsom’s desk that could disproportionately impact families in the Central Valley and nearby foothill and mountain communities.
Assembly Bill 1346 would end the production of gas-powered small, off-road engines--used in lawn and garden equipment and generators-- by January 1, 2024.
It would replace the gas-powered engines with zero emission battery technology.
"It doesn’t compare to what you’d get with a gas-powered unit,” says Robert Vasquez, with Jensen and Pilegard in Clovis.
Vasquez says the shop doesn’t just sell gas-powered equipment—it also services it.
"That’s really gonna affect our business if we lose generator sales due to emissions," Vasquez says.
As FOX26 News previously reported, PG&E customers in local mountain communities including Squaw Valley, Coarsegold and Oakhurst have been experiencing more power outages recently, since the utility changed the sensitivity settings on its power lines to prevent wildfires.
"Many people who live in the mountains rely on generators to kick on when the power shuts off, so a lot of their medical devices can operate even during a shutoff," says Fresno County Supervisor Nathan Magsig, who represents Eastern Fresno County.
Magsig is now among those calling on the Governor to veto AB 1346 – or request generators be excluded from the regulations.
"A lot of folks who create these laws forget that here in the Central Valley, it's over 100 degrees, many, many days during the summer. When the grid has to be shut down for one reason or another, folks have no other options when it comes to powering not only their air conditioning, but also their medical devices,” Magsig says.
The bill’s primary sponsors and co-authors represent districts in Southern California, the Bay area and Salinas.
Lawmakers representing the Central Valley either voted against AB1346 or were absent for the vote.
Governor Newsom has 30 days to sign the bill, veto the bill, or take no action.
Magsig says his office is in the process of reaching out to the Governor’s office to ask Newsom to veto the bill.
He’s now asking others to do the same.
Survival/rescue type tools - gen sets, chain saws et al being included concern me for obvious reasons. Is there a clause permitting emergency use? If so, pressure may need to be applied to make those reasonable & real world otherwise, this takes on the stink of yet another Socialist control grab.
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Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I bet you celebrate that anniversary religiously
I would
DW got a couple of contract offers in Cali; politely declined because to afford a modest home would have required complete liquidation of all assets and a substantial mortgage for a very modest dwelling. Add in the cost of living issues and of course the completely unenlightened 2A policies ...
Thanks but, no.
Redleg
Veteran Member
They get what they voted for! Hope they enjoy it.
A wall should be built around Commifornia to keep the idiots who vote from leaving.
For Californians. The legislation overview and who is promoting this law, I've already sent a letter to Newsom in protest specifying the harm of including Electrical gensets.
AB 1346
Page 1
CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
AB 1346 (Berman and Lorena Gonzalez)
As Amended August 26, 2021
Majority vote
SUMMARY
Requires the Air Resources Board (ARB) to adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible
regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new "small off-road
engines" (SORE), to apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as ARB
determines is feasible, whichever is later.
Requires ARB to identify, and, to the extent feasible, make available, funding for commercial
rebates or similar incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding
program guidelines for air districts to implement to support the transition to zero-emission SORE
operation.
Senate Amendments
Require ARB, in determining technological feasibility, to consider all of the following:
1) Emissions from SORE in the state.
2) Expected timelines for zero-emission SORE development.
3) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements for more zero-emission
SORE.
4) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users.
5) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment.
COMMENTS
While the author's intent seems focused on lawn and garden equipment, ARB's existing SORE
definition is based on engine size and includes a much broader range of equipment types than
lawn and garden equipment. According to ARB, the largest SORE contributors to smog-forming
emissions in its jurisdiction are generators, followed by leaf blowers, lawn mowers, riding
mowers, trimmers, chainsaws, and pressure washers. There are several more equipment types
using ARB-regulated SORE with less significant total emissions.
ARB sets emissions standards for new SORE, it does not regulate the use of SORE equipment,
and this bill does not give ARB that authority. Some cities have adopted restrictions on SORE
equipment use, primarily on leaf blowers in urban and suburban communities. These restrictions
are typically focused on noise and/or dust impacts, rather than exhaust or evaporative emissions.
Without a definition of SORE and a hard deadline, it's not clear how and when this bill will be
implemented. The bill does require ARB to "prohibit" (as opposed to "control") emissions from
SORE as soon as ARB determines feasible but the bill gives ARB broad discretion to determine
the feasible dates for prohibiting emissions from engine and equipment types. As noted above,
ARB staff currently proposes a longer lead time to get to a zero-emission standard for generators.
AB 1346
Page 2
Within lawn and garden equipment, there is wide variation in the availability and utility of zero-
emission equipment depending on the use. For residential uses, rechargeable electric
lawnmowers, leaf blowers, and string trimmers have been available for years and have
significant market share. For commercial uses, there is very little market for zero-emission
equipment as today's technology is relatively expensive and requires multiple batteries and/or
frequent recharging and replacement.
In other applications, such as pumps, generators, and chainsaws, current zero-emission SORE
technology may be inadequate even if money is no object, particularly when used in rural areas
without convenient access to recharging.
Banning sales of new combustion engines under 25 horsepower could have a few unintended
consequences. As long as there is no statewide registration requirements or use restrictions for
SORE equipment, banning new engines may lead to prolonged use of older, dirtier engines,
increased manufacture and sale of engines over 25 horsepower, and purchase of non-compliant
engines out of state for use in California.
According to the Author
Today, operating the best-selling gas-powered commercial leaf blower for one hour emits air
pollutants comparable to driving a 2017 Toyota Camry from Los Angeles to Denver. Smog-
forming emissions from small engines will surpass those from passenger vehicles this year. We
must look beyond transportation if we are to achieve the emissions reductions needed to fight
climate change and improve air quality and health in our communities.
AB 1346 will require sales of new small off-road engines in California to be zero-emission by
2024 or when ARB determines is feasible, whichever is later. This bill also requires ARB to
make funding available to help landscaping businesses transition to zero-emission equipment.
Transitioning to zero-emission equipment will reduce the occurrence of asthma, cardiovascular
disease, and premature death caused by pollution, and help California meet our air quality goals.
Arguments in Support
Supporters state: There are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE that are regulated by ARB,
generally electric alternatives that run on batteries or plug into an outlet. Many users, including
over half of household users, have already begun the transition to zero-emission equipment...AB
1346 recognizes that California must look beyond gas powered vehicles to achieve the emissions
reductions needed to meet our state's environmental goals, fight climate change, and improve
health in our communities by reducing air pollution.
Arguments in Opposition
Opponents state: AB 1346 and ARB's potential rule pose numerous technology feasibility,
economic, and implementation challenges for industry stakeholders. Collectively these
challenges are insurmountable and will result in significant hardships for manufacturers, retailers
and end-users, culminating in an early market shortfall of products with high consumer need and
demand.
FISCAL COMMENTS
According to the Senate Appropriations Committee, cost pressure of an unknown, but likely
significant amount (General Fund or special funds), to provide commercial rebates or incentive
AB 1346
Page 3
funding to support the transition to zero-emission SORE. Unknown one-time costs for ARB to
implement the provisions of this bill.
VOTES:
ASM NATURAL RESOURCES: 7-3-1
YES: Luz Rivas, Chau, Friedman, Cristina Garcia, McCarty, Muratsuchi, Stone
NO: Flora, Mathis, Seyarto
ABS, ABST OR NV: Wood
ASM APPROPRIATIONS: 12-4-0
YES: Lorena Gonzalez, Calderon, Carrillo, Chau, Gabriel, Eduardo Garcia, Levine, Quirk,
Robert Rivas, Akilah Weber, Holden, Luz Rivas
NO: Bigelow, Megan Dahle, Davies, Fong
ASSEMBLY FLOOR: 49-20-10
YES: Aguiar-Curry, Bauer-Kahan, Bennett, Berman, Bloom, Boerner Horvath, Bryan, Burke,
Calderon, Carrillo, Cervantes, Chau, Chiu, Cooley, Frazier, Friedman, Gabriel, Cristina Garcia,
Eduardo Garcia, Gipson, Lorena Gonzalez, Grayson, Holden, Irwin, Jones-Sawyer, Kalra, Lee,
Levine, Low, Maienschein, McCarty, Medina, Mullin, Muratsuchi, Nazarian, Petrie-Norris,
Quirk, Ramos, Reyes, Robert Rivas, Blanca Rubio, Santiago, Stone, Ting, Villapudua, Ward,
Akilah Weber, Wicks, Rendon
NO: Chen, Cunningham, Megan Dahle, Davies, Flora, Fong, Gallagher, Gray, Kiley, Lackey,
Mathis, Nguyen, Patterson, Quirk-Silva, Salas, Seyarto, Smith, Valladares, Voepel, Waldron
ABS, ABST OR NV: Arambula, Bigelow, Choi, Cooper, Daly, Mayes, O'Donnell, Luz Rivas,
Rodriguez, Wood
SENATE FLOOR: 21-9-10
YES: Allen, Archuleta, Atkins, Becker, Bradford, Cortese, Durazo, Glazer, Gonzalez,
Hertzberg, Kamlager, Laird, Leyva, Limón, McGuire, Min, Pan, Portantino, Skinner,
Wieckowski, Wiener
NO: Bates, Dahle, Grove, Hurtado, Jones, Melendez, Nielsen, Ochoa Bogh, Wilk
ABS, ABST OR NV: Borgeas, Caballero, Dodd, Eggman, Hueso, Newman, Roth, Rubio, Stern,
Umberg
ASM APPROPRIATIONS: 16-0-0
YES: Lorena Gonzalez, Bigelow, Calderon, Carrillo, Chau, Megan Dahle, Davies, Fong,
Gabriel, Eduardo Garcia, Levine, Quirk, Robert Rivas, Akilah Weber, Friedman, Stone
UPDATED
VERSION: August 26, 2021
CONSULTANT: Lawrence Lingbloom / NAT. RES. / (916) 319-2092 FN: 0001949
AB 1346
Page 1
CONCURRENCE IN SENATE AMENDMENTS
AB 1346 (Berman and Lorena Gonzalez)
As Amended August 26, 2021
Majority vote
SUMMARY
Requires the Air Resources Board (ARB) to adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible
regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new "small off-road
engines" (SORE), to apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as ARB
determines is feasible, whichever is later.
Requires ARB to identify, and, to the extent feasible, make available, funding for commercial
rebates or similar incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding
program guidelines for air districts to implement to support the transition to zero-emission SORE
operation.
Senate Amendments
Require ARB, in determining technological feasibility, to consider all of the following:
1) Emissions from SORE in the state.
2) Expected timelines for zero-emission SORE development.
3) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements for more zero-emission
SORE.
4) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users.
5) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment.
COMMENTS
While the author's intent seems focused on lawn and garden equipment, ARB's existing SORE
definition is based on engine size and includes a much broader range of equipment types than
lawn and garden equipment. According to ARB, the largest SORE contributors to smog-forming
emissions in its jurisdiction are generators, followed by leaf blowers, lawn mowers, riding
mowers, trimmers, chainsaws, and pressure washers. There are several more equipment types
using ARB-regulated SORE with less significant total emissions.
ARB sets emissions standards for new SORE, it does not regulate the use of SORE equipment,
and this bill does not give ARB that authority. Some cities have adopted restrictions on SORE
equipment use, primarily on leaf blowers in urban and suburban communities. These restrictions
are typically focused on noise and/or dust impacts, rather than exhaust or evaporative emissions.
Without a definition of SORE and a hard deadline, it's not clear how and when this bill will be
implemented. The bill does require ARB to "prohibit" (as opposed to "control") emissions from
SORE as soon as ARB determines feasible but the bill gives ARB broad discretion to determine
the feasible dates for prohibiting emissions from engine and equipment types. As noted above,
ARB staff currently proposes a longer lead time to get to a zero-emission standard for generators.
AB 1346
Page 2
Within lawn and garden equipment, there is wide variation in the availability and utility of zero-
emission equipment depending on the use. For residential uses, rechargeable electric
lawnmowers, leaf blowers, and string trimmers have been available for years and have
significant market share. For commercial uses, there is very little market for zero-emission
equipment as today's technology is relatively expensive and requires multiple batteries and/or
frequent recharging and replacement.
In other applications, such as pumps, generators, and chainsaws, current zero-emission SORE
technology may be inadequate even if money is no object, particularly when used in rural areas
without convenient access to recharging.
Banning sales of new combustion engines under 25 horsepower could have a few unintended
consequences. As long as there is no statewide registration requirements or use restrictions for
SORE equipment, banning new engines may lead to prolonged use of older, dirtier engines,
increased manufacture and sale of engines over 25 horsepower, and purchase of non-compliant
engines out of state for use in California.
According to the Author
Today, operating the best-selling gas-powered commercial leaf blower for one hour emits air
pollutants comparable to driving a 2017 Toyota Camry from Los Angeles to Denver. Smog-
forming emissions from small engines will surpass those from passenger vehicles this year. We
must look beyond transportation if we are to achieve the emissions reductions needed to fight
climate change and improve air quality and health in our communities.
AB 1346 will require sales of new small off-road engines in California to be zero-emission by
2024 or when ARB determines is feasible, whichever is later. This bill also requires ARB to
make funding available to help landscaping businesses transition to zero-emission equipment.
Transitioning to zero-emission equipment will reduce the occurrence of asthma, cardiovascular
disease, and premature death caused by pollution, and help California meet our air quality goals.
Arguments in Support
Supporters state: There are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE that are regulated by ARB,
generally electric alternatives that run on batteries or plug into an outlet. Many users, including
over half of household users, have already begun the transition to zero-emission equipment...AB
1346 recognizes that California must look beyond gas powered vehicles to achieve the emissions
reductions needed to meet our state's environmental goals, fight climate change, and improve
health in our communities by reducing air pollution.
Arguments in Opposition
Opponents state: AB 1346 and ARB's potential rule pose numerous technology feasibility,
economic, and implementation challenges for industry stakeholders. Collectively these
challenges are insurmountable and will result in significant hardships for manufacturers, retailers
and end-users, culminating in an early market shortfall of products with high consumer need and
demand.
FISCAL COMMENTS
According to the Senate Appropriations Committee, cost pressure of an unknown, but likely
significant amount (General Fund or special funds), to provide commercial rebates or incentive
AB 1346
Page 3
funding to support the transition to zero-emission SORE. Unknown one-time costs for ARB to
implement the provisions of this bill.
VOTES:
ASM NATURAL RESOURCES: 7-3-1
YES: Luz Rivas, Chau, Friedman, Cristina Garcia, McCarty, Muratsuchi, Stone
NO: Flora, Mathis, Seyarto
ABS, ABST OR NV: Wood
ASM APPROPRIATIONS: 12-4-0
YES: Lorena Gonzalez, Calderon, Carrillo, Chau, Gabriel, Eduardo Garcia, Levine, Quirk,
Robert Rivas, Akilah Weber, Holden, Luz Rivas
NO: Bigelow, Megan Dahle, Davies, Fong
ASSEMBLY FLOOR: 49-20-10
YES: Aguiar-Curry, Bauer-Kahan, Bennett, Berman, Bloom, Boerner Horvath, Bryan, Burke,
Calderon, Carrillo, Cervantes, Chau, Chiu, Cooley, Frazier, Friedman, Gabriel, Cristina Garcia,
Eduardo Garcia, Gipson, Lorena Gonzalez, Grayson, Holden, Irwin, Jones-Sawyer, Kalra, Lee,
Levine, Low, Maienschein, McCarty, Medina, Mullin, Muratsuchi, Nazarian, Petrie-Norris,
Quirk, Ramos, Reyes, Robert Rivas, Blanca Rubio, Santiago, Stone, Ting, Villapudua, Ward,
Akilah Weber, Wicks, Rendon
NO: Chen, Cunningham, Megan Dahle, Davies, Flora, Fong, Gallagher, Gray, Kiley, Lackey,
Mathis, Nguyen, Patterson, Quirk-Silva, Salas, Seyarto, Smith, Valladares, Voepel, Waldron
ABS, ABST OR NV: Arambula, Bigelow, Choi, Cooper, Daly, Mayes, O'Donnell, Luz Rivas,
Rodriguez, Wood
SENATE FLOOR: 21-9-10
YES: Allen, Archuleta, Atkins, Becker, Bradford, Cortese, Durazo, Glazer, Gonzalez,
Hertzberg, Kamlager, Laird, Leyva, Limón, McGuire, Min, Pan, Portantino, Skinner,
Wieckowski, Wiener
NO: Bates, Dahle, Grove, Hurtado, Jones, Melendez, Nielsen, Ochoa Bogh, Wilk
ABS, ABST OR NV: Borgeas, Caballero, Dodd, Eggman, Hueso, Newman, Roth, Rubio, Stern,
Umberg
ASM APPROPRIATIONS: 16-0-0
YES: Lorena Gonzalez, Bigelow, Calderon, Carrillo, Chau, Megan Dahle, Davies, Fong,
Gabriel, Eduardo Garcia, Levine, Quirk, Robert Rivas, Akilah Weber, Friedman, Stone
UPDATED
VERSION: August 26, 2021
CONSULTANT: Lawrence Lingbloom / NAT. RES. / (916) 319-2092 FN: 0001949
So why haven't you left the country? The entire country is doing equally but different stupid shit.
The Snack Artist
Membership Revoked
Eventually people will be banned from CA. It will then be a paradise that no one will be able to experience.
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think they have been 4-cycle only for several years.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
So no more 2-cycle lawn mowers etc in Cali, Republic of?
When did they do that?
I haven't been there in .... can't remember ....late 60s & then it was to catch a plane
energy_wave
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I hear Governor Newsom wants to ban hot air balloons unless they're battery powered.
auxman
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
Texas is no California... unless you live in Austin...
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just like the rest of the FUSA, Texas is becoming California. A little more every day. It is radiating out from Austin.
auxman
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit...
Agreed... but the state as a whole is not there yet...
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
A state notorious for rolling brownouts and blackouts wants to outlaw generators? Can't wait to see how that works out for them.
jward
passin' thru
As I've kavetched so often: The whole country is one "ugly bruise" shade
of purple... by design. That's what all those detailed census' results were
'bout; getting we slaves o' the technocratic millennium to willingly slip on
our slaves' chains, while preparing us to live happily in our tiny house shacks, and
complying with the intelligentsia' plans for us, least they have to unleash
the Cray-cray Karen enforcement squads to "cancel culture" us.
Of course, ultimately they'll skip the boozy bloated broads and go straight
for the drones and their sheaf of papers that make it legal to kill terrorist
without due process...I spose that will include those pesky domestic white
nationalist terrorists we are hearing are the biggest threat of all to the country. . .
you know: you, and I
Anyway, none of this is new: the goals, plans, programs and incremental overreach
have been baked into the cake, and folks have been preparing for decades now.
.. don't be fooled or lulled into complacency assuming this is because they're "stupid"
it's because they've planned, and thus far executed, far better than us. : (
of purple... by design. That's what all those detailed census' results were
'bout; getting we slaves o' the technocratic millennium to willingly slip on
our slaves' chains, while preparing us to live happily in our tiny house shacks, and
complying with the intelligentsia' plans for us, least they have to unleash
the Cray-cray Karen enforcement squads to "cancel culture" us.
Of course, ultimately they'll skip the boozy bloated broads and go straight
for the drones and their sheaf of papers that make it legal to kill terrorist
without due process...I spose that will include those pesky domestic white
nationalist terrorists we are hearing are the biggest threat of all to the country. . .
you know: you, and I
Anyway, none of this is new: the goals, plans, programs and incremental overreach
have been baked into the cake, and folks have been preparing for decades now.
.. don't be fooled or lulled into complacency assuming this is because they're "stupid"
it's because they've planned, and thus far executed, far better than us. : (
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
FL and TX are still considerably less bad than CA, especially if you avoid south FL (disproportionate fraction of what libtards we have in FL are there) and Austin/border region in TX.
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
At this point, no matter where a person lives, I don't know if moving makes much sense, other than for the very short term.
The FUSA will never have an honest election for at least the foreseeable future.
Every "red" state is already turning blue and one or two more election cycles and there will likely be no more "red" states.
Because of that all state and federal laws will be the same or very similar everywhere in the FUSA in the relatively near future.
So there are still many reasons for people to want to move but moving to get away from liberal policies, while still possible, will soon be impossible.
Just this year several million new voters have been added across this nation, not that elections really matter anymore. But the result of all these added former 3rd world people will certainly degrade all locations across our country. And yes, today you can likely still find "comfortable" spots in this country to move to but just how long will those few spots stay the same?
“Whinny.” A sound a horse makes.
“Whiny.” To whine or complain.
Anazing what ne letter can do…
EMICT
Veteran Member
Those Nebraska letters seem to mess me up at times too.“Whinny.” A sound a horse makes.
“Whiny.” To whine or complain.
Anazing what ne letter can do…
jward
passin' thru
This should help sanity regain a foot hold eh
Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
BREAKING: California is now PERMANENTLY a vote-by-mail state. Because we believe in making voting EASIER and for every voice to be heard.
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1442573769906688001?s=20
Gavin Newsom
@GavinNewsom
BREAKING: California is now PERMANENTLY a vote-by-mail state. Because we believe in making voting EASIER and for every voice to be heard.
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1442573769906688001?s=20
Dobbin
Faithful Steed
One imagines the DNC buying up "Forever" stamps and lickless envelopes in anticipation of the next election.
Maybe they need to subcontract the election selection to Pitney-Bowes?
Home
Pitney Bowes helps clients succeed by simplifying the complexities of commerce and enabling billions of transactions around the world.
www.pitneybowes.com
Go to the P-B website above and the first thing you get is a pop-up says "Your Opinion Matters."
There is some incredible irony in that...
Dobbin
West
Senior
Problem with that though is that they can hardly get real or 100% gas that they need to burn in those small engines. I've read that hardware like stores, sell it for a minimum of $10 a gallon?
Shur that supplies will dry up quickly of any all gas supplies when this gets legs.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
probably part of the JB Plan In addition, good for his CN pals who apprently are far ahead on low cost E-car production
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No, they won’t.
No. Because for them, feelz and virtue signaling are more important than life itself. They’ll die to the last man, woman, and “thing” before they let go of that.
Not just the government, but all the elites. The ultra rich, the “masters of the universe”, etc., will never give up anything. You see, they’ve “earned” it.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Barry Natchitoches
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yeah, i tend to agree with you EXCEPT not every body in that state is loony blue.
Evidence, for example, some really sensible red Californians here on this board... and they are not the only ones. There are actually a very small minority of Californians that I would actually welcome as neighbors here in Tennessee - but ONLY. a small minority of them.
If they for voted all this nonsense, let them stay out there and live with what their votes brought to pass...
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