GUNS/RLTD Ammunition madness

Blue 5

Veteran Member
Ammo report from the field:

I just ordered 1k rounds of green tip 5.56 (M855 green tip, 62gr) from Locked & Loaded Guns for $.57/rd when shipping is factored in. I was thrilled to get it. The website is www.lockedloaded.com
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ive been seeing some half decent prices (not pre rona though) from some of the online places.
sg ammo, 2a warehouse, palmetto etc.
 

AMJH

Contributing Member
I have seen more ammo in the last week than I've seen in the last 6 months. Glad I had some cash back.
 

Roger Thornhill

Some irascible old curmudgeon
As long as we're resurrecting this old thread...

Don't bother buying overpriced .22LR ammunition locally, or from online resellers. Buy direct from the manufacturer!
CCI and Federal both have ammunition available at reasonable cost, with free shipping for orders over $99. Although it may take two or three weeks to arrive, the supply is starting to open up, with many more varieties currently available than just a few weeks ago. Limit is ten boxes of any specific stock number per order, but you can order multiple types every day if you like. I've stocked up quite a bit of .22LR and .22 Magnum over the last three months. (CCI has other calibers, as well).

Here's what's available in just the .22LR listings, as of five minutes ago:

Quiet-22 22 LR
Stock # 960
$5.99 / 50

Standard Velocity 22 LR
Stock # 35
$4.99 / 50

Rimfire Shotshell 22 LR
Stock # 39
$10.99 / 20

Mini-Mag HP 22 LR
Stock # 31
$11.99 / 100

Stinger 22 LR
Stock # 50
$9.99 / 50

Target Mini-Mag 22 LR
Stock # 30
$11.99 / 100

Velocitor HP 22 LR
Stock # 47
$9.99 / 50


CCI Ammunition
 

JeanCat

Veteran Member
I had a man in a pawnshop in Winona,ms that you could go to Oxford ms and buy your ammo straight from the manufacturer but it has to be a full case or multiple cases. Anybody know anything about buying in Oxford.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I'm glad I never got caught up in the gun buying madness. Saved a ton of cash by concentrating on my few sling shots and bows and arrows. I still may buy a bb gun in case I wanna give protester a dimple
I gave my grandson my slingshot. I couldn't work it any more.
You CAN work the sling shot that King DAVID USED TO KILL THE GIANT!
Old age and relative weakness are no barrier to killing a giant.

The sling shot that that the government DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT OR MAKE is NOT what you think when you imagine a sling shot.

THE SLINGSHOT that KING DAVID killed the giant with is what they fear you knowing how to make and use.

it does not have a handle at all, it doesn't have any elastic bands. You can make it out of string, cloth, cords, or anything handy.

You can hide it in a SHIRT pocket. IT WONT ALARM at weapons detectors.
It can silently KILL at a distance but only if you have PRACTICED A LOT with it for accuracy.

It is not for close contact defense or offense, you probably need at least 15 feet from the target.

It looks like a 6 foot cord with a patch in the middle to hold the stone. You have a loop on one end to go around your wrist and the other end is held in the fingers until you let go to launch the stone.

Centrifugal force is your friend.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
At the end of the zombie apocalypse documentary that is the walking dead. All that’s left are sling shots, bows and arrows, a 1911 and a pump shotgun
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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At the end of the zombie apocalypse documentary that is the walking dead. All that’s left are sling shots, bows and arrows, a 1911 and a pump shotgun
In the AMC show TWD, I never understood why they burned so much ammo fighting them. The slightest disruption inside the skull would kill the zombies , so even a .22 round would do the job. Just a plain semi auto pistol. Carry a coupla those and 1000 rds. No need to blast away with AKs or ARs.
 
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Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
In the AMC show TWD, I never understood why they burned so much ammo fighting them. The slightest disruption inside the skull would kill the zombies , so even a .22 round would do the job. Just a plain semi auto pistol. Cary a coupla those and 1000 rds. No need to blast away with AKs or ARs.

Ditto.

They’d do a lot more damage on semi with aimed shots than blazing away on rock n roll…

Jeff B.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
In the AMC show TWD, I never understood why they burned so much ammo fighting them. The slightest disruption inside the skull would kill the zombies , so even a .22 round would do the job. Just a plain semi auto pistol. Cary a coupla those and 1000 rds. No need to blast away with AKs or ARs.

because it’s television. People are not watching for character growth and storyline.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Back to the thread topic…. The past couple of weeks, I’ve been hitting Bass Pro at least once a week on the hunt for primers.

They have a pretty good assortment of pistol and rifle ammo on the shelf, although the prices are still high.

My routine has been to pick up some other stuff of their out on primers. I got all the leader material, hooks and crimps I needed for SW rig making and switched to buying a box of M193 or 855 5.56 mm when I go. In another 4 or 5 weeks I’ll have my “ready” ammo can (5.56) refilled and will move on to 9mm or .45. Hopefully I’ll actually stumble on some primers again.

Jeff B.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
I hope people remember to stock up after this ammo shortage is over, we had the klinton ammo shortage, we had the obummer shortage, and dopey has his ammo shortage to, I just hope everyone picks up a few thousand of each size primer. mabye some powder to
 

day late

money? whats that?
Back to the thread topic…. The past couple of weeks, I’ve been hitting Bass Pro at least once a week on the hunt for primers.

They have a pretty good assortment of pistol and rifle ammo on the shelf, although the prices are still high.

My routine has been to pick up some other stuff of their out on primers. I got all the leader material, hooks and crimps I needed for SW rig making and switched to buying a box of M193 or 855 5.56 mm when I go. In another 4 or 5 weeks I’ll have my “ready” ammo can (5.56) refilled and will move on to 9mm or .45. Hopefully I’ll actually stumble on some primers again.

Jeff B.

You're fortunate. The Bass Pro Shop here is low on everything, every time I go in there. And I have asked, their ammo deliveries are getting fewer and farther between, and they usually have no idea of what they are getting until the truck is unloaded. Last time I was there, you couldn't find buckshot. #6's and #8's galore, but no 0, 00, 000 buck of any kind. There were only about half a dozen boxes of #4 on the shelf. 5.56 doesn't exist, and the same for 9mm. In fact they were either out or almost out of every popular type of ammo for rifle or pistol. Reloading supplies were is much the same condition.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
assuming you thought to buy it when it was "sheep", .22 LR is now become investment grade stuff . . .
Did a 5000 round purchase back in the height of hnic reign
Military grade metal ammo crate sealed for $200 bucks and I thought that was outrageous.

Why the army would have 22 is a mystery

It was Remington head stamped.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have long had virtually everything I need for reloading, but one of my presses is a Lee 4-hole turret press. It uses removable turrets that you screw your dies into. The beauty of that set up is that you don't have to readjust your dies every time you want to load a different caliber. Just lift out the last turret you used and replace it with the next one. The dies are already in the turret and adjusted, so it goes very quickly. Lee isn't the only manufacturer who has this (or similar) rigs.

Like almost everyone else, when I first started reloading I used a simple, single stage machine. There's nothing wrong with that, but first you have to screw in (and adjust) the resizing die and run how ever many cases you are going to do through the press. Then you unscrew the resizing die and screw in - and adjust - the case mouth belling die. Lastly, you screw in (and adjust) the bullet seating die. As you can see, this is a slow process and is basically a PITA. The Lee turrets, or other manufacturer's similar fixtures, make the whole process much, much faster. I probably have half a dozen or so turrets, which covers everything I regularly load. But... I sometimes like to experiment with an oddball caliber or buy a firearm in a different caliber. Then I have to unscrew the dies from one of my existing turrets and start the changing and die adjusting process all over again. Because of this, every once in awhile I'll buy a new turret.

Well, for years and years these turrets cost around eleven bucks. No problemo. Eleven bucks isn't going to break the bank, right? Last month I wanted a new turret and hit eBay. Most of the turrets were going for - I kid you not - sixty dollars!!! I didn't need a new turret that badly...

It seems that the cost of everything in the shooting world is going into the stratosphere. Good luck if any of you need anything!

Best
Doc
Doc, tell me if I am wrong, but was it not Dillon that first came out with the turret system ?

Years ago, friend of mine had several presses on his bench. He switched to a Dillon to simplify his process. Still has all the others I think.

Regards
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The past couple of weeks, I’ve been hitting Bass Pro at least once a week on the hunt for primers.

They have a pretty good assortment of pistol and rifle ammo on the shelf, although the prices are still high.
If their prices are high, why are you buying from them?
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Did a 5000 round purchase back in the height of hnic reign
Military grade metal ammo crate sealed for $200 bucks and I thought that was outrageous.

Why the army would have 22 is a mystery

It was Remington head stamped.
At Ft. Hood, you could show your ID at the indoor range and that is all you could use the .22LR, bring your own gun or use one of there's. Shoot all day. On thinking on it, may have cost a dollar for renting the gun, and shells.

Just saying for the range lots of .22 were used. Not range as in training, but just for fun, like going to the movies on post for .25. BTW that is what (I think) is still used for the who practice for competition. Shooting teams etc. With all those weird looking .22 rifles.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If their prices are high, why are you buying from them?
I know you were talking to Jeff B, but saw this article which might be of interest:

The Rise And Fall Of 9MM Ammo Prices During COVID; What's Next?
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Op-Ed via The Machine Gun Nest (TMGN).
The Machine Gun Nest has been open since 2015, but we've been in the firearms industry since 2013. Earlier than that, Rob (one of the owners) has been collecting guns since the early 2000s. We've seen panic buys, ammo prices fluctuate, and firearms banned and unbanned.

March of 2020. The COVID19 pandemic hits the United States. Many people (like myself) were aware of the situation in China and had time to prepare for the worst adequately. Many people were caught completely off guard.
Many things led to the recent panic buy, but most of it is related to COVID. Many people thought that the world was going to end. So many people "woke up" to the idea that they may have to fend for themselves and that no one was coming to save them. This change of mentality led to an explosion in firearms and ammo sales.

Weirdly enough, the price of ammo didn't have an immediate rise at the beginning of the pandemic. It was summertime before we started to see a real spike in price. Prices averaged $0.20 a round for 9mm until July. Then we began to see prices rise to an average of about $0.30/per round.

The price rise could be attributed to the BLM protests, counter and subsequent riots that followed, which were viewed widely across the internet and traditional media. There were depictions of innocent people getting hurt or worse, swarmed by protestors, with no police anywhere to help.

This led to a panic buy on top of a panic buy. Whereas previously, shelves had been scarce, they became empty. People started to hoard ammunition like they had been hoarding toilet paper. Since manufacturing companies were set up to meet the average demand of the "Trump Slump" of the previous years, where gun and ammo sales had been low, there started to be bottlenecks in ammunition production. Ammo manufacturers were not prepared for the sharp increase in buying.

In August 2020, we started to see prices increase even more as ammo became harder to come by. 9mm saw an average of $0.50/ per round. Major manufacturing companies started to report that they had accumulated millions of dollars in backorders. We tried to place a substantial order for ammo and were straight up told that there was no way that we'd get it within the year or next.

Speaking to some of our friends, we gathered that there was a shortage of primers. Primers are the component within ammunition that ignites the gunpowder to expel the projectile from the bullet & firearm when struck by the firing pin. For those that don't know, primers are incredibly dangerous to produce. The manufacturing process sometimes results in death. Primers are typically the bottleneck in the production process for ammunition. A shortage of primers caused by high demand and supply chain disruption continued to help drive up the cost of ammo.

We luckily found an importer who had bought 1M rounds of Turkish 9mm. We were able to work with him to import the ammo, and that saw us through the worst of the shortages. Unfortunately, we were victims of circumstance (like everyone else) and had to pay a high cost per round to acquire the ammo.

After the 2020 election, we saw prices rise again to an average of $0.60 per round. To give you an idea of what that means- a box of ammo is 50 rounds typically. That's about 3-5 magazines, depending on how many bullets you load. 9mm is meant to be an inexpensive round. It's relatively cheap to produce, and its popularity has a lot to do with that fact. When you have people paying $30 ($0.60 per round) for a box of 9mm, as opposed to $12 (0.24 per round) eight months prior, shooting starts to get expensive, especially since the average range trip equates to about 2-300 rounds per caliber.
Consider this as well; statistics show that in 2020 alone, 23 million firearms were sold, with 6 million of those guns being bought by first-time gun owners. Suppose each of those new gun owners wants to buy enough ammo for an average range trip, 200 rounds. In that case, those people would need 1,200,000,000 rounds of ammo to satisfy the demand, and that's not even including the 32% of Americans that own guns (According to Gallup polling.) That would be about 104,960,000 people if you were wondering.

So, to satisfy that market, if each of those 104.9 Million people wanted only 200 rounds of ammo for one firearm, the amount of ammo needed would be serious. (and we know that people, in reality, want thousands of rounds per firearm). That's not including law enforcement contracts and military contracts, which usually take precedence over the civilian market.

Finally, in Jan. of 2021, we seem to reach the peak. With the Jan. 6th protests and Biden's inauguration, gun and ammo buying hit new highs. 9mm prices on average hit $0.71 per round. During this time, we regularly heard from customers that other spots were selling 9mm at $1/round.

At the time of writing this (September 2021), we're just now starting to see a drop in ammo prices and gun sales slowing down. 9mm is sitting at $0.31 per round for steel case and $0.34 per round for brass on the low end. Any well-known brand names are sitting at around $0.39 per round. Even with Biden's new "Russian Ammo Ban," prices seem to have steadily fallen, at least on 9mm.

The real question is, will the prices keep dropping? It's anyone's guess.

There's a ton of factors affecting the market right now, from unrest around the world. For example, earlier this month, a coup in Guinea sent Aluminum prices to a ten-year high. If you're unfamiliar, Guinea holds a quarter of the world's bauxite supply, a raw material that can be refined into alumina, which can then be smelted into aluminum.

This price change can affect the cost of firearms, as manufacturers will have to pay a higher price to acquire raw materials.
Shipping and transporting are another problem now, with sea containers fetching record-high prices because of a shortage and supply chains still seeing significant disruptions.

Since the panic buy for firearms has at least subsided a little bit, people have stopped hoarding ammo and are choosier. We're seeing this in gun sales right now where customers aren't coming in and just buying anything on the wall. People are starting to do their research and are becoming pickier about their buying. I think this is the same for ammo as well. The demand has subsided a bit. If supply continues to meet demand, I think we'll continue to see a drop in prices. Barring some mutation in covid that gives the virus a 50% CFR, more supply chain disruptions, or the Biden administration passing some severe gun control legislation, I think we will continue to see the price of ammo dropping slowly.

The Rise And Fall Of 9MM Ammo Prices During COVID; What's Next? | ZeroHedge
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
If their prices are high, why are you buying from them?

Prices are market, which while high, are what we have to deal with.

I choose to grab a box of 5.56 while I’m there, since I already burned the gas to go there.

It’s a choice. And as unpredictable as Dopey Joe has been, I think that adding to my stores is appropriate.

Jeff B.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I saw a 1000 round can of 5.56 yesterday....Six Benjamins.

Didn't recognize the brand, didn't look close at specs.

Ammo is trickling back in.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doc, tell me if I am wrong, but was it not Dillon that first came out with the turret system ?

Years ago, friend of mine had several presses on his bench. He switched to a Dillon to simplify his process. Still has all the others I think.

Regards

I have no idea who first came out with a turret system, but they've been around for a long, long time. I've seen old Pacific metallic cartridge presses that used a non-interchangeable, more or less permanently attached turret. The real breakthrough was the invention of interchangeable turrets. Several manufacturers have produced these, but I don't know who was first.

The beauty of the interchangeable turret system is that you can set your dies up on one turret, remove it and never have to mess with your dies again. With a collection of a few turrets, you can save a lot of time.

Best
Doc
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Love that book, more real than the movie, or any zombie movie.
Generally, the written word is better as our minds 'create' better SFX than almost any production house. I know some people who maintain the movie is always better but have found they're fairly unimaginative and usually don't plan well or think things through.

My eldest SIL comes immediately to mind; try's hard sometimes but never hits the mark.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I have no idea who first came out with a turret system, but they've been around for a long, long time. I've seen old Pacific metallic cartridge presses that used a non-interchangeable, more or less permanently attached turret. The real breakthrough was the invention of interchangeable turrets. Several manufacturers have produced these, but I don't know who was first.

The beauty of the interchangeable turret system is that you can set your dies up on one turret, remove it and never have to mess with your dies again. With a collection of a few turrets, you can save a lot of time.

Best
Doc
I think Pacific was 1st w/ turrets but Dillon made them way easier to use & increased the functionality.
 

cat killer

Senior Member
The last .22’s I bought were CCI Factory Second’s for a dollar a box, I’ve shot a lot of them and don’t see any difference in how they shoot.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
I like the Dillon 550 I got used, did the $79.99 refurb and have been cranking out 9mm rounds to keep me shooting competitions.

I need another tool head to set up for .45 ACP and eventually another for .45 LC.

Jeff B.
 

blackguard

Veteran Member
Was at Cabela's in Oklahoma City on Saturday and they were very well stocked with ammo. In fact while I was there one of the employees was unloading a partial pallet and stocking more. 9 mm was readily available for between 17 and 22 a box. Best availability I've seen in quite some time. It was nice to see.
 

summer-texan

Contributing Member
I wanted to share this info. I have been on the internet for quite a while searching for 30-30 ammo for my rifle.
I found this place and ordered 3 boxes which put me over the $100 mark so i got free shipping.
They also have many other types of ammo IN STOCK!!!!!

www.rogerssportinggoods.com

816-883-4545
35.99 1.80 per round for a box of 20 of 30-30
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
for a very long time, I had thought that you buy a gun in a popular cal. and would be able to find ammo anywhere, like the 30-30. you can find it in almost any country store, and every gun store carries it. guess I was wrong, and almost any site I go to people are looking for 30-30.

you just never know what is going to run short,
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ammoseek.com lists all kinds of ammo for sale.

Also, check Ammoman.com.

Prices are a bit high. 54 cents a round for 62 gr X-Tac 1000 rnd case.
It's still available, so get why you can.

Me? I just sit at my T7 turret press and make pretty little trinkets for my friend.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
Doc, tell me if I am wrong, but was it not Dillon that first came out with the turret system ?

Years ago, friend of mine had several presses on his bench. He switched to a Dillon to simplify his process. Still has all the others I think.

Regards
Herters was the first to make a turrent press. thats where you have 1 shell holder and rotate the top ofthe turrent, it can hold up to 6 dies. so you work it back and forth to load 1 round at a time,

as opposed to a dillon, that can load (on a 550 press) 4 shells at once,
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Herters was the first to make a turrent press. thats where you have 1 shell holder and rotate the top ofthe turrent, it can hold up to 6 dies. so you work it back and forth to load 1 round at a time,

as opposed to a dillon, that can load (on a 550 press) 4 shells at once,
Thanks Shooter. Did not know that about Herters. I have a friend that went all in on Dillon. Use to go over to his place and watch. I was impressed with how quickly he could crank out loaded rounds, and how quickly he could change over to a different caliber.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
for a very long time, I had thought that you buy a gun in a popular cal. and would be able to find ammo anywhere, like the 30-30. you can find it in almost any country store, and every gun store carries it. guess I was wrong, and almost any site I go to people are looking for 30-30.

you just never know what is going to run short,


Winchester made seven million M 94 chambered in 30-30 and a dozen or more other manufacturers have made rifles for the 30-30 too, so the demand can be high for the 30-30Win.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
Thanks Shooter. Did not know that about Herters. I have a friend that went all in on Dillon. Use to go over to his place and watch. I was impressed with how quickly he could crank out loaded rounds, and how quickly he could change over to a different caliber.
I like dillon a lot. I have 2 550 machines, and about 14 tool heads, along with 4 other single stage presses
 
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