INTL Deportees land in Port-au-Prince: ‘Nobody told us we were going back to Haiti’

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
(Posted in "INTL" because it's a neutral rather than negative or alarmed sort of category. There don't seem to be any happy or celebratory categories or I would have used one of them. At the end "How could Biden do this to us?" lol)

Deportees land in Port-au-Prince: ‘Nobody told us we were going back to Haiti’
Widlore Merancourt, Anthony Faiola 13 hrs ago
http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAOCnpT?ocid=sf
https://twitter.com/share?url=http:...rer=http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAOCnpT?ocid=st
https://web.whatsapp.com/send?text=http://a.msn.com/01/en-us/AAOCnpT?ocid=sw

Like208 Comments|



521


Three shot as family fight over gifts at Pa. baby shower erupts into gunfire


Haiti protests mass U.S. deportation of migrants to country in crisis

1632140467290.png
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — He crossed the Mexican border into Texas only two weeks ago, joyous at the prospect of building anew in the United States. Now part of the first wave of deportees rapidly ejected by the Biden administration amid a fresh surge at the border, Johnson Bordes, 23, stepped off a Boeing 737 on Sunday and into the Haitian capital, terrified by a city torn apart by violence in a homeland he could barely remember.
a group of people standing around a plane: Haitians deported from the United States disembark from a plane at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince on Sunday.
© Richard Pierrin/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock Haitians deported from the United States disembark from a plane at Toussaint Louverture International Airport in Port-au-Prince on Sunday.
Like many deportees arriving on charter flights at the airport in Port-au-Prince, 15 minutes from neighborhoods controlled by brutal armed gangs, Bordes’s family left Haiti in the great migration after the 2010 earthquake that killed more than 200,000 people. He was 12 when they left, first for the Dominican Republic, then on to Chile, where he was living with his mother and brother when the coronavirus pandemic hit. Encouraged by relatives in the United States, the family set out on a 4,500-mile trek to the U.S. border — never imagining the road would lead back to the devastated country they left more than a decade ago.

“How could they bring us back here?” he asked. “This is an injustice. I don’t even know where we are going to sleep tonight.”
He mingled with other confused deportees, many of whom hadn’t seen Haiti in years and now spoke Spanish or Portuguese better than Haitian Creole. Several families told The Washington Post that they were never told they were being deported back to Haiti.
“If Biden continues with these deportations, he’s no better than Trump,” Bordes said. “I’m afraid for my safety here. I don’t even know this country anymore.”
Biden administration to ramp up deportation flights to Haiti, aiming to deter mass migration into Texas
They began landing Sunday in a nation that some describe as Somalia of the Caribbean — a failed state suffering a humanitarian emergency that critics say is too dangerous and unstable for the thousands being deported.
Recognition of the conditions led the Biden administration as recently as May to grant temporary protected status to tens of thousands of undocumented Haitians in the United States. At the time, officials cited “serious security concerns, social unrest, an increase in human rights abuses, crippling poverty, and lack of basic resources” in the Western Hemisphere’s poorest nation.
Since then, conditions in Haiti have deteriorated sharply — leading critics to describe the deportations now as contradictory.
a young boy looking at the camera: A Haitian deportee waits at the airport in Port-au-Prince on Sunday.
© Richard Pierrin/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock A Haitian deportee waits at the airport in Port-au-Prince on Sunday.
Haiti suffered the still unsolved assassination of its president in July and a devastating earthquake that killed 2,200 people and destroyed tens of thousands of homes, schools and churches in August. Violent street gangs have seized neighborhoods and key roads, torching homes and spreading a plague of rapes, kidnappings and killings that have caused thousands of residents to flee.
The government to which the deportees are returning has teetered on the verge of collapse amid an internal power struggle and a judicial request to indict the sitting prime minister in connection to the slaying of President Jovenel Moïse. The United Nations has sounded the alarm over a lack of resources to aid earthquake victims, including thousands of women and children left homeless, in the country’s devastated south.
A Haitian prosecutor sought charges against the prime minister in the president’s assassination. He was fired.
Some here describe the large-scale deportations back to Haiti as something they might have expected under President Donald Trump, who was dismissive of Haitian immigrants. That it’s happening under President Biden, they said, made it sting even more.
“It’s shocking,” said Ralph P. Chevry, a board member of the Haiti Center for Socio Economic Policy in Port-au-Prince. “I understand that the U.S. needs to protect its borders, but the way Haiti is right now, this is the last place to send anyone. The Central Bank has no money left. The gangs are taking over the country. The kidnappings are surging again.
“I wouldn’t say it’s criminal, but what the United States is doing is at the very least inhumane.”
U.S. officials have countered that strong action is needed to deter a surge of desperate migrants traversing the Mexican border into the Texas town of Del Rio. Many are Haitians who fled the country years ago and are now streaming out from South American countries devastated by the coronavirus pandemic.
Haitian authorities said they would do what they could for the deportees, but pointedly said they were being repatriated against their will.
“These people do not accept the forced flight back to Haiti,” Jean Negot Bonheur Delva, head of Haiti’s migration office, told reporters in Port-au-Prince on Sunday, adding that his team expected flights to ramp up to as many as six per day by Tuesday.
“For these people, Haiti is hell,” he said.
In an email, the Department of Homeland Security confirmed the deportation of 327 people and said “these flights will continue on a regular basis.” The agency did not comment on whether the Haitian deportees had been informed of their repatriations, or whether Haiti was safe enough for deportees.
In comments to CNN on Sunday, however, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas defended the deportations, saying the damage from the recent earthquake had been “rather geographically limited” and that an analysis of the situation on the ground had determined that “country conditions” allowed for the repatriations.
A DHS official told The Post on Friday that the deportations would start with up to three flights per day.
“We have reiterated that our borders are not open, and people should not make the dangerous journey,” spokeswoman Marsha Espinosa wrote in an email. “Irregular migration poses a significant threat to the health and welfare of border communities and to the lives of migrants themselves and should not be attempted.”
a couple of people that are standing in the street: Migrants disembark from an airport bus on Sunday in Port-au-Prince.
© Ralph Tedy Erol/Reuters Migrants disembark from an airport bus on Sunday in Port-au-Prince.
Giuseppe Loprete, Haiti mission chief for the International Organization for Migration, said 327 Haitians arrived Sunday on three flights from the United States, with an estimated 300 per day to follow in the coming weeks. The organization is bracing for 14,000 returnees from the United States, Mexico and elsewhere, a sharp increase from the 6,000 Haitians who had been sent back since mid-March of 2018.
He said the new arrivals were being given the equivalent of $50 in cash and another $50 in cellular phone transfers (they’re provided with a cellphone if they don’t have one), a hot meal, hygiene kits and psychological counseling.
“When they realize they are coming back to Haiti, it’s really difficult for them,” Loprete said. “Some of them, they don’t have any contacts anymore with their families, or they live in areas that are now no longer accessible because of the earthquake or the gangs.”
Haiti buries a president, but its long-term crises live on
In tweets late Saturday, Prime Minister Ariel Henry — under fire at home, but effectively backed by the United States — said in French that “we are very concerned about the extremely difficult conditions in which several thousand of our #compatriots are living on the US-Mexico border.”
In Haitian Creole, however, he sounded a note of commiseration.
“We must unite to give the #country a chance for our brothers and sisters to cease these kinds of humiliations,” he said. “I share their suffering, while saying welcome to them. Home is home.”
Many of those who arrived Sunday described their deportations as happening at breakneck speed.
Sonia Piard, 43, arrived in Texas last Monday, after a weeks-long trip by bus and foot from Chile. Her husband worked construction there for six years before she and the children joined him three years ago. They sold their furniture and dug into their life savings to finance the $10,000 trip. The most arduous part was a five-day trek through jungle.
“We saw people drown in the river,” she said.
Piard, her husband and their children, ages 10, 8 and 7, had spent five days sleeping under a bridge in Texas when U.S. authorities rounded them up on Friday. They were given aluminum sheets at a detention center, she said, and space on a cement floor to sleep.
On Sunday, she said, her family was taken to a plane but not told where it was going. Two other families interviewed by The Post also said they were not informed of the plane’s destination. One of them said they were told they were being transferred to another detention center in Florida.
Piard said her family’s home in Les Cayes on Haiti’s southwestern peninsula collapsed in last month’s earthquake. With gangs controlling the roads from Port-au-Prince to the country’s south, they were stuck in the capital without a place to sleep Sunday night.
She said she and her family decided to travel from Chile to Texas because they’d heard that “President Biden was letting people in.” She said Sunday she felt disillusioned, as if she and her family had been “kidnapped to be sent back to Haiti.”
“They did not even tell us what they were doing,” she said, in tears. “They said our names, and they said they are bringing us somewhere else. We did not know we were going back to Haiti. Nobody told us we were going back to Haiti. We need to go back to Chile, but now we have no money left and no home. What will become of my children?”
“How could Biden do this to us?” she asked.
Faiola reported from Miami. Nick Miroff in Washington contributed to this report.


 

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Top comments (on washingtonpost.com) are gold too:


  • Linda Hinzman13h
    They made their way to mexico, they made their way to the US border, they are now back to their homeland, their families, their culture. That is where they should be. Not right for US taxpayers to have to try to support any more "from out of the country" people right now. We have an abundance of poor, homeless people right now.

    LikeReply

    |



    146Report
    See 9 more replies
  • Profile picture
    Jack T
    12h
    It's not that Americans are cold but we have been taken advantage of for way to long, " The friendly easy going Americans " I think most normal thinking people would say, " Lets start taking care of our own " not the world or their problems.......
    See more
    LikeReply
    |



    108Report
    See 15 more replies
  • Profile picture
    Linda Hinzman
    13h
    Make the flights around the clock until every last one is returned to their country, their homeland, their culture. We have enough homeless, poor, hungry, people here already that do not get care.
    LikeReply
    |



    108Report
    See 3 more replies
  • Profile picture
    Wilson Forest
    13h
    On the bright side they weren't charged for a flight to the Caribbean. People pay alot to fly there.
    LikeReply
    |



    82Report
    See 4 more replies
  • Profile picture
    Jack T
    12h
    " This is an injustice " the one person said. Crossing our border is breaking our laws, moron.
    LikeReply
    |



    79Report
  • Profile picture
    ANONY MOUS
    11h
    don't blame BIDEN the message to immigrants planning to make the long journey was DON'T COME and IT IS NOT SAFE and STAY WHERE YOU ARE -- magical thinking got those who are not being flown out where they "landed" -- how are we expected to sort out where people came from when they arrive in such numbers after being told DON'T COME -- they boarded the plane and surprise -- don't tell me no one on that plane knew where it was heading -- now they are asking for help out of a situation they imposed on themselves; everyone wants to come to America -- wherever they lived before was not America but an improvement on Haiti -- you gambled and ignored a clear message -- don't come it is not safe stay where you are we are working on processing immigrants in some cases in place to avoid this trip and vet immigrants more efficiently -- we are not there yet -- don't come!!!
    See more
    LikeReply
    |



    27Report

 

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Can you imagine the outrage if Trump had done this?
You can look it up. I've said Biden is not Obama's third term. Trump let him come in smoothly. Obama wanted him to resign in favor of Kamala! He didn't resign.
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
This is awesome, Biden is an equal opportunity screwer, the key is to find out how he made money off of this, guaranteed one way or the other the "Big Guy" got some $$$ for sending these cretins back to their Arm Pit of a country, ask any normal American residing in the Miami/Dade county area how they feel about Hatians.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Scolding us and calling us inhumane. We have enough problems with “ illegals” not immigrants, and the crap they bring with them. Those who’s money is being used to feed, care, and house you should have a say in it. You can’t even fight for your own country and want to bring your crap here too.

Not to mention there’s a supposed Covid crisis here.

What I want to know is why Biden is putting the block on the Haitians … not the Mexicans. What happened to those border crossers?

It’s not adding up.
 

kiawahman

Contributing Member
Fix your own country, we're busy trying to fix our own (again).
You only add to our problems, bringing nothing but poverty, crime, ignorance and disease to the table.
We don't allow snakes, toads, spiders, scorpions, flies, mosquitoes, or gators into our homes either. - but they're preferred over you.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
“If Biden continues with these deportations, he’s no better than Trump,” Bordes said.
Well, at least he got that part right - even if for the wrong reason.

Biden is no better, and given the upcoming gauntlet that Bordes missed, he might consider that Trump IS better when the Cartels were done with him. As it is he should count himself lucky for having missed it

Joe Biden$tein and his band of Merry Cartels are boxed into a corner. Sort of like the vendor who promises free something - and then due to popular demand runs out.

MEEDIA can no longer cover for Joe.

You humans who benefit from this action are ALL Trump.

A nation of Trumps.

I love the concept. Gold plated knobs on the stable doors not so much.

Dobbin
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
“How could they bring us back here?” he asked. “This is an injustice. I don’t even know where we are going to sleep tonight.”

Very easily, dude. You VIOLATED our borders, committing a crime against the United States.

We don’t give a crap where you’ve been illegally living. You’re from Haiti and back you go.

Take advantage of the massive opportunities available to you in Haiti. There’s not anything functioning, so the world is your oyster, so to speak. :D

There are nations that wouldn’t apprehend you and fly you back home, at best they’d put you to hard labor in a hell hole prison.

Jeff B.
 

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Scolding us and calling us inhumane. We have enough problems with “ illegals” not immigrants, and the crap they bring with them. Those who’s money is being used to feed, care, and house you should have a say in it. You can’t even fight for your own country and want to bring your crap here too.

Not to mention there’s a supposed Covid crisis here.

What I want to know is why Biden is putting the block on the Haitians … not the Mexicans. What happened to those border crossers?

It’s not adding up.
None of them are actually Mexicans these days, or too few to matter. Central Americans, Venezuelans, Bolivians, Arabs, Chinese, Africans from Africa, all sorts just crossing Mexico.

Our school district has a major decline due to their mainly Spanish speaking children that drag down our test scores and complicate everything we do, although some from latin countries are nearly illiterate in Spanish too. Mostly Central Americans.
 

Laurelayn

Veteran Member
But why only the Haitians? What about the thousands of afghanis and south americans? I believe it is because most of them remember how the clintoon foundation raped Haiti after the first big earthquake and they can't be counted on to vote democrat.
 

33dInd

Veteran Member
None of them are actually Mexicans these days, or too few to matter. Central Americans, Venezuelans, Bolivians, Arabs, Chinese, Africans from Africa, all sorts just crossing Mexico.

Our school district has a major decline due to their mainly Spanish speaking children that drag down our test scores and complicate everything we do, although some from latin countries are nearly illiterate in Spanish too. Mostly Central Americans.
It’s the iq score
Most Central American are very low iq. So I’m tol
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
Slightly different viewpoint here- what this administration has done IS inhumane! They deliberately spread the word worldwide that our border is open, and we'll welcome all "refugees". So, these poor people (just because we're currently too full and busy with our own problems doesn't mean we have to dehumanize them) have already been displaced, apparently worked extremely hard to save money "in case we could go to the US someday"... and Biden essentially sent them a frigging engraved invitation! Only to evict them when they showed up (almost certainly because of "optics" here at the moment) without the slightest care.

It's hard to be angry with the Haitians...

The human suffering always explodes when the Rule Of Law becomes flexible and arbitrary.

Summerthyme
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
The human suffering always explodes when the Rule Of Law becomes flexible and arbitrary.

QFT. Live by the King's pleasure, die at the King's displeasure.

But no man should have that sort of power over you.

Over me, maybe. But I'm not you.

Dobbin
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
I think it's more likely the cartels promised to get them here but they are now indebted to them and that is very very bad for them.
Do you think the monthly "tally check " (The "Big Guy's 'cut') will be impacted by the Cartels not following through?

Doubtful.

More likely Cartels send out a hit man to take out Bordes in Haiti. Bordes is not off the hook by being in Haiti, and you know the Big Man has gotten his cut already. The Cartels need to cover and THEY DON'T FORGET.

Insert horsehead in bed here...

Dobbin
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
Do you believe these people actually paid their own way to get here? I don't. My money's on Soros, et. al.
Yes, I think whoever arranged their trip(s) took every penny they could extort from them. I'm also certain that wasn't nearly enough to pay for the trip for the majority, and Soris, etc al, are absolutely footing the remainder of the bill.

Summerthyme
 

Sicario

The Executor
George Soros Funds The Bush-Clinton-Obama Group Pushing For Afghan Migrants


George Soros is clearly determined to flood the United States of America with immigrants and ensure that the immigrants can afford to stay in the country to spark radical demographic change.

Former presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama and failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton are serving as Honorary Co-Chairs of an organization to support the welcoming of Afghan migrants into the United States of America following the U.S. defeat to the Taliban and failed evacuation from Afghanistan. The organization, Welcome.us, is funded by socialist billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Foundations.


The Honorary Co-Chairs of Welcome.Us include Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton. The group’s National Welcome Council includes representatives from the New York Times, the Soros-funded Atlantic Council, Obama’s former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, Maria Shriver, establishment pundit David French, and Jeb Bush.

George Soros’ leftist donor organization Open Society Foundations is listed as one of the “Welcome Sponsors,” a “group of funders (that) chose to also enable the launch of Welcome.Us so that, together, we can amplify those efforts and mobilize the American people to support them,” according to Welcome.Us. Other sponsors include Rockefeller Brothers Fund and Walmart.org. The group’s “Welcome Businesses” include Walmart, Facebook, Starbucks, Uber, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce Foundation, Gibson Dunn and Microsoft.

sponsors.jpg


George Soros is clearly determined to flood the United States of America with immigrants and ensure that the immigrants can afford to stay in the country to spark radical demographic change. For example, Los Angeles Democrat mayor Eric Garcetti is on the Leadership Board of a George Soros-funded global organization called the Mayors Migration Council, which pushes for and promotes Garcetti’s program in which he pays illegal immigrants during Coronavirus. Garcetti is partnering on pro-illegal immigration efforts with Patrick Gaspard, the president of George Soros’ Open Society Foundations, and is also working with Soros’ activism network to develop a program to pay reparations to black people. George Soros is a Hungarian-born leftist billionaire with an agenda to radically remake the United States of America and the world. Eric Garcetti is currently Joe Biden’s nominee to serve as Ambassador to India.

Eric Garcetti is a member of the Mayors Migration Council Leadership Board along with seven other current global mayors and one former mayor. The Mayors Migration Council asks its supporters to “Join Mayors in building an inclusive COVID-19 recovery for all.” So what is the Mayors Migration Council pushing for? According to their own materials, the Council states: We ask that decision makers at the national and international level join us and take the following actions: Ensure safe, equitable access to services regardless of migration status, including healthcare and economic relief…Empower migrants and refugees to be part of the solution to COVID-19, including through the regularization of immigrant essential workers…Combat misinformation, racism, and xenophobia to strengthen community solidarity in all COVID-19 response and recovery efforts…” The Mayors Migration Council spotlighted Garcetti’s city of Los Angeles in its materials, stating, “City of Los Angeles steps in where national government falls short, provides direct cash assistance to all city residents in need, including undocumented immigrants.”
 

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Slightly different viewpoint here- what this administration has done IS inhumane! They deliberately spread the word worldwide that our border is open, and we'll welcome all "refugees". So, these poor people (just because we're currently too full and busy with our own problems doesn't mean we have to dehumanize them) have already been displaced, apparently worked extremely hard to save money "in case we could go to the US someday"... and Biden essentially sent them a frigging engraved invitation! Only to evict them when they showed up (almost certainly because of "optics" here at the moment) without the slightest care.

It's hard to be angry with the Haitians...

The human suffering always explodes when the Rule Of Law becomes flexible and arbitrary.

Summerthyme
I don't know what they did to spread the word. Then Kamala! for perhaps the first time in her life said a good thing, telling them in Guatemala "Don't come. Don't come."

I don't think we're on the hook for what they assumed about us or about Biden. They took a chance. They wouldn't feel any guilt if I took a chance and it didn't work out, would they?

When you think of all the powerful elements who were counting on "welcoming" these people into our country -- cartels expecting payment, Soros, etc. -- what Biden did is actually gutsy as well as good. A "heavy lift" in their lingo.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
I don't know what they did to spread the word. Then Kamala! for perhaps the first time in her life said a good thing, telling them in Guatemala "Don't come. Don't come."

I don't think we're on the hook for what they assumed about us or about Biden. They took a chance. They wouldn't feel any guilt if I took a chance and it didn't work out, would they?
Oh, I don't think WE bear any responsibility, and I'll be appalled (but not remotely surprised) when the media prostitutes start screaming about the "abuse". Just pointing out, the official Biden line has been "the Border is open! Come on in!"... and then they changed it after these people had risked everything to come.

Blood on their hands, again...

Summerthyme
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
They wouldn't feel any guilt if I took a chance and it didn't work out, would they?
Oh but you're the beneficiary of 400 years of "white suppression."

Of course you had to work too - but they don't see or even understand that.

"Work? Why would anyone work?

Wot hump?

2.png


Dobbin
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I mean he had a TICKET IN! Sponsorship of family already in the US. Provided that family was legal, he could have had a sponsor and gotten in the proper line and gotten in legally and stayed. But those precious children had to see him do it the illegal way, and now understand.
 

iboya

Veteran Member
My parents were Hungarian Refugees in 1956. Of the 12 couples who escaped in the dead of winter only 6 couples made it to tha Austrian border after their "guide" abandoned them in the mountains during a snow storm with 2 feet of snow. When they got to the refugee center there was a limited amount of refugees allowed. My parents were able to come to America under the refugee program. The rest had to go back.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
“How could they bring us back here?” he asked. “This is an injustice. . .

Well, there it is.

The "It's not fair" that I get the results deserved by MY actions.

The cry you hear from the leftist the world over.

Sorry, you and your family fled Hatti and have been living in Chile for 11 years and then decided to travel 4,500 miles to ILLEGALLY cross the border to get on the gravy train here in the States. You came to start the chain migration so the rest of your family could follow you due to our screwed up immigration laws under the demon-crats.

Now you find yourself back in Hatti and you're crying about it.

Guess what sunshine, that to is the result from your decision to illegally cross the border.

Now you're the poster boy for the left to play on the American Citizens emotions so they'll go boo hoo and push the government to allow law breakers like you in the millions into the country to suck on the tax payers funded teat, so we can become even worse than where you find yourself now.
 

kiawahman

Contributing Member
This current migration influx is only the tip of the iceberg compared to what is coming due to climate change.

Climate change is already starting to bring a shift in our own country's population.

Best to get an iron grip on it (internationally) right now, before it really escalates out of control. Politics be damned, this is survival.
 

artichoke

Greetings from near tropical NYC!
Well, there it is.

The "It's not fair" that I get the results deserved by MY actions.

The cry you hear from the leftist the world over.

Sorry, you and your family fled Hatti and have been living in Chile for 11 years and then decided to travel 4,500 miles to ILLEGALLY cross the border to get on the gravy train here in the States. You came to start the chain migration so the rest of your family could follow you due to our screwed up immigration laws under the demon-crats.

Now you find yourself back in Hatti and you're crying about it.

Guess what sunshine, that to is the result from your decision to illegally cross the border.

Now you're the poster boy for the left to play on the American Citizens emotions so they'll go boo hoo and push the government to allow law breakers like you in the millions into the country to suck on the tax payers funded teat, so we can become even worse than where you find yourself now.
Granted there are brigades of commenters both left and right, but ALL the top comments on msn.com are saying it's great that they got sent back.

This sort of surprise punishment (the sort they wanted to inflict on the American taxpayer and citizen generally) will deter others and make them run back across the Rio Grande if they still can. You need them to have nasty surprises, otherwise they'll feel safe in coming and gaming the system. They have to face real risk when they break our laws.

This is how I disagree with Summerthyme's very human reaction. She said it was inhumane that they got a nasty surprise after believing something else. I say it's good and important that they fear a nasty surprise, and they not even know what sort of nasty surprise to expect.
 
Top