PREP A little battery secret

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I restore/recondition lead-acid automotive batteries as a little sideline. Let me stress "little" in the equation; mainly I do it for myself since we have multiple vehicles (cars, trucks, motorcycles, tractors, etc.) and buying batteries for everything gets pricey. Occasionally I'll place an ad on Craigslist and sell a used battery or two, but this is infrequent. It depends on whether or not I have extras. I buy my batteries from a local scrapyard and have an arrangement where the owner will buy back the ones that aren't salvageable for slightly less than I paid for them. This works out majorly to my advantage.

Here's the "battery secret" in my title. A surprising percentage of batteries that wind up in the scrapyard are still good! That's right; I don't have to do anything more than recharge them. Understand that on the majority of these used batteries, I do testing, special charging and add chemical restorer, but as I said, some of them are good to go right from the scrapyard. I'll explain why this happens and hopefully save some of you money.

The main reason perfectly good batteries wind up in the scrapyards are because of dishonest service writers. Service writers are the guys you meet when you take your car or truck in for service. They are supposed to be advisors, but in reality they are salesmen and most of them work on commission. The more they can sell you, the more $$$ they make.

When people go to the shop complaining that their battery is going dead or won't start their vehicle, the service writer will bend over backwards to - at minimum - sell a new battery and alternator. Sometimes this is warranted, but often it's not. A lot of conditions can cause a poorly charging battery. A couple of common problems are dirty/corroded battery terminals or poor contact at the ground cable. Also, just because an alternator or regulator has failed does not necessarily mean that the battery is bad.

No matter. The service writer is almost always going to try to sell you a new alternator and battery. Once the sale is made, the old batteries (both good and bad) wind up on a pallet to be sold to the local scrap dealer. None of these people bother to actually test the batteries.

Once the reader understands this, it's not too hard to test your own alternator/battery system before taking your vehicle to a shop. First of all, clean the battery cable terminals and battery terminals. You can do this with a pocketknife, but a dedicated battery terminal cleaner only costs $3 to $5 at any auto parts store. Also be sure to clean the cable wire where it is attached to the terminal. The negative cable will bolt to the engine somewhere. That's the "ground" and you'll want to be sure that terminal is clean and it's mounting boss on the engine is also clean. You may still have battery or alternator problems, but you can never be sure unless all of these connections are clean.

A note of caution is in order here: A lot of new vehicles have computerized controls that have to be reset if the battery is disconnected. You can discover this with a quick 'net search, as well as instructions on resetting the system.

The next thing to do is start the vehicle and test the running voltage with a simple multimeter. Individual specs will vary a little, but by and large your electrical system should be reading at around 13.5 volts or a little higher when running. When stopped, the reading should be around 12.5 to 12.7 volts.

Lastly, you should have a battery charger and a battery tester with load testing function. Your charger doesn't have to be expensive and a serviceable battery/load tester can be had for $20 to $25.

If your battery and alternator passes its charging and load tests, you don't need to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 for a new battery, God only knows how much for a new alternator and your good battery won't need to wind up in a scrapyard!

Hope this helps.

Best
Doc
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Owner has several batteries in a variety of equipment.

He likes batteries with the old fashioned "fill caps." One apparently can keep better track of battery charge by use of a hydrometer. A dead/shorted cell becomes immediately apparent with a hydrometer.

He DOESN'T like the AGM style "maintenance free" batteries. These are possibly more "durable" than the older style, but you can't tell if there is a dead/shorted cell.

Owner says a typical vehicle battery life is "at least 7 years." He owned a VW Diesel for many years. In that time he had three batteries. One the original which went 7 years. No. 2 an "aftermarket replacement" bought at Autozone and seemingly of the same ampere-hour capacity as the VW battery. That battery only lasted a year. No. 3 another VW battery which actually was cheaper than the Autozone battery - and brought the VW up to the point where it was sold to a VW dealer.

So it pays to get your batteries from the place you bought your car. Especially for batteries of "near special application" such as a VW TDI or a Prius.

Dobbin
 

toxic avenger

Senior Member
Car batteries are complete crap anymore. I bought a replacement battery for one of my vehicles April of 2019. By April of 2020 is was stone dead. Got a new one under warranty. July of 2020 replacement #2 was shot. April 2021 replacement #3 was shot. Now on replacement #4. Car was driven less than 2000 miles since March of 2019, but it has seen 5 batteries.
 

Hi-D

Membership Revoked
Car batteries are complete crap anymore. I bought a replacement battery for one of my vehicles April of 2019. By April of 2020 is was stone dead. Got a new one under warranty. July of 2020 replacement #2 was shot. April 2021 replacement #3 was shot. Now on replacement #4. Car was driven less than 2000 miles since March of 2019, but it has seen 5 batteries.
I had a Mercedes suv that I did not drive that much. Had to keep a trickle charger on it. Too many things still going when not in use. In the winter at -20 that's a killer.
 

rs657

Veteran Member
When I was a teenager I worked for a family member who had an automotive battery franchise. They would send me around the counties to buy junk batteries from the car repair shops. We would buy them for $5 each for car batteries and recharge them and top off the electrolyte. Our chargers could charge 20 plus batteries at a time each. On average about 70% would be good batteries. The rest we would sell to be recycled for about $8 each (sold by weight). The used batteries were sold to car lots $10 to $12 each. They would sell like hot cakes. Back then alternator belts would slip (loose) or terminals would be corroded and these shops would sell them new batteries, terminals, tighten the belts and pretty much rip the customers off. I guess nothing much has changed.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
I restore/recondition lead-acid automotive batteries as a little sideline. Let me stress "little" in the equation; mainly I do it for myself since we have multiple vehicles (cars, trucks, motorcycles, tractors, etc.) and buying batteries for everything gets pricey. Occasionally I'll place an ad on Craigslist and sell a used battery or two, but this is infrequent. It depends on whether or not I have extras. I buy my batteries from a local scrapyard and have an arrangement where the owner will buy back the ones that aren't salvageable for slightly less than I paid for them. This works out majorly to my advantage.

Here's the "battery secret" in my title. A surprising percentage of batteries that wind up in the scrapyard are still good! That's right; I don't have to do anything more than recharge them. Understand that on the majority of these used batteries, I do testing, special charging and add chemical restorer, but as I said, some of them are good to go right from the scrapyard. I'll explain why this happens and hopefully save some of you money.

The main reason perfectly good batteries wind up in the scrapyards are because of dishonest service writers. Service writers are the guys you meet when you take your car or truck in for service. They are supposed to be advisors, but in reality they are salesmen and most of them work on commission. The more they can sell you, the more $$$ they make.

When people go to the shop complaining that their battery is going dead or won't start their vehicle, the service writer will bend over backwards to - at minimum - sell a new battery and alternator. Sometimes this is warranted, but often it's not. A lot of conditions can cause a poorly charging battery. A couple of common problems are dirty/corroded battery terminals or poor contact at the ground cable. Also, just because an alternator or regulator has failed does not necessarily mean that the battery is bad.

No matter. The service writer is almost always going to try to sell you a new alternator and battery. Once the sale is made, the old batteries (both good and bad) wind up on a pallet to be sold to the local scrap dealer. None of these people bother to actually test the batteries.

Once the reader understands this, it's not too hard to test your own alternator/battery system before taking your vehicle to a shop. First of all, clean the battery cable terminals and battery terminals. You can do this with a pocketknife, but a dedicated battery terminal cleaner only costs $3 to $5 at any auto parts store. Also be sure to clean the cable wire where it is attached to the terminal. The negative cable will bolt to the engine somewhere. That's the "ground" and you'll want to be sure that terminal is clean and it's mounting boss on the engine is also clean. You may still have battery or alternator problems, but you can never be sure unless all of these connections are clean.

A note of caution is in order here: A lot of new vehicles have computerized controls that have to be reset if the battery is disconnected. You can discover this with a quick 'net search, as well as instructions on resetting the system.

The next thing to do is start the vehicle and test the running voltage with a simple multimeter. Individual specs will vary a little, but by and large your electrical system should be reading at around 13.5 volts or a little higher when running. When stopped, the reading should be around 12.5 to 12.7 volts.

Lastly, you should have a battery charger and a battery tester with load testing function. Your charger doesn't have to be expensive and a serviceable battery/load tester can be had for $20 to $25.

If your battery and alternator passes its charging and load tests, you don't need to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 for a new battery, God only knows how much for a new alternator and your good battery won't need to wind up in a scrapyard!

Hope this helps.

Best
Doc

When I was selling used car parts, the salvage yard was a gold mine for new parts.

I could find brand new or reman'd alt's and starters quite frequently.
(What helped was that I was in a big city so the salvage yard was always stocked up.)

But you need to know how to examine them to see if they are any good.

For most people, it's best to take them to an autoparts store to get them tested.

That salvage yard always had a stock of batteries too.
 

Sportsman

Veteran Member
Thanks for the reminder and hint.

Years ago I bought a $20 Harbor Freight 100 AMP battery load tester. It's nothing more than a resistor that draws 100 amps and a voltmeter. They still sell the same one. That and a cheap multi-stage charger have more than paid for themselves 10 times over. Clean the terminals, top off the water, charge the battery, test it under load; and odds are, you saved a hundred dollars.

I acquired a lot of used golf cart batteries for my AE projects. If they looked decent, then they most likely tested good and served me for years.
 

dawgofwar10

Veteran Member
Having previously owning a used car lot, I would removed the battery, top it off with distilled water, lay the battery on it side for about 4 hours “with caps back on”, then stand it back up and trickle charge it for the night. Worked like a champ, and never had a customer come back and complain…
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Having previously owning a used car lot, I would removed the battery, top it off with distilled water, lay the battery on it side for about 4 hours “with caps back on”, then stand it back up and trickle charge it for the night. Worked like a champ, and never had a customer come back and complain…

I thought I knew most of the battery tricks, but this is a new one on me! What is the purpose of laying the battery on its side? I've never heard that one before.

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Doc
 

CaryC

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And here I thought you were going to tell the one where you put the battery by the fire and let it heat up, and then go run and juke it in the radio so you can listen for awhile till it cools off.

My bad.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Look at the BatteryMinder charger/desulfinator.

I've had decent results with them.


The only problem is getting enough surface charge on a battery for the conditioner to start up.

They don't like a totally dead battery.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
is a brand new sealed auto battery that was never installed 5 or 6 years ago still salvageable?

It's possible to save it. After that many years of sitting, the plates are probably sulphated but it can't hurt to try to charge it. Part of my battery rejuvenatation method is to hit the battery with a special, timed series of 200 amp charges. This helps to remove the sulphation, but it is a little dangerous and few people have the sort of "dumb" 200 amp chargers necessary to do this.

Also, realize that some (but not all) supposedly sealed batteries do have removable caps underneath the decal or label affixed to the top of the battery case. After removing the labels, the little caps can be seen and removed to top off the electrolyte. In your case, with a new battery that sat for five or six years I wouldn't suspect that the electrolyte levels are low. If it was me, the first thing I would do is to try to charge it normally and see how it responds.

It's worthy to note that in "the old days" batteries were shipped dry and the retailer would then fill them with electrolyte and charge them as needed when they made a sale. New batteries in this dry condition could be stored for decades without sulphation concerns.

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Doc
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Look at the BatteryMinder charger/desulfinator.

I've had decent results with them.


The only problem is getting enough surface charge on a battery for the conditioner to start up.

They don't like a totally dead battery.


Millwright, a big problem with modern "smart" chargers is that many of them won't charge a dead battery with very low voltage. This is the main reason I don't like the so-called smart chargers.

You can fool the smart chargers to get them to begin charging a dead battery by connecting (in parallel) a good battery to your dead battery (positive to positive and negative to negative) with jumpers. Then connect your smart charger. It will read the higher voltage of the good battery and start charging. After a period of one or two hours, check your formerly dead battery by itself and see if the voltage has come up. At some point, the charger should be able to charge the battery alone.

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Doc
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's worthy to note that in "the old days" batteries were shipped dry and the retailer would then fill them with electrolyte and charge them as needed when they made a sale. New batteries in this dry condition could be stored for decades without sulphation concerns.
FYI at a local John Deere distributor, in my case JD Lawn and Garden Tractor, when purchasing a new battery for the lawn mower they asked if I had time to wait, they had to fill the battery with electrolyte.

So it is still practiced in some places, for some batteries.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Millwright, a big problem with modern "smart" chargers is that many of them won't charge a dead battery with very low voltage. This is the main reason I don't like the so-called smart chargers.

You can fool the smart chargers to get them to begin charging a dead battery by connecting (in parallel) a good battery to your dead battery (positive to positive and negative to negative) with jumpers. Then connect your smart charger. It will read the higher voltage of the good battery and start charging. After a period of one or two hours, check your formerly dead battery by itself and see if the voltage has come up. At some point, the charger should be able to charge the battery alone.

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Doc

I use an old dumb charger to get a surface charge and then let it go.
 

parsonswife

Veteran Member
Had a 2 yr oldAMS battery to go “bad” on by 2013 Ford Edge.. $225.

thBattery store told me that the modern cars with all the electronic upgrades wear out the batteries faster. He told me that if I leave my car and lock it that it takes between 10 and 15 minutes for all the electronics to slowly turn themselves off .

if you leave the car and don’t lock it it will take up to an hour for all of the electronics to turn off. If you park in your garage and don’t lock it and leave your electronic Key fob in the cupholder it could take several hours or never for all the electronics to wind down.

As I drive for both Uber and as a merchandiser from store to store my car is constantly being turned on turned off turned on turned off etc. he said what I needed to do was once a month put a trickle charge for 24 to 48 hours on my car on a day off and that would extend the life of the battery
 

Nich1

Veteran Member
Good info, Doc. I've "tinkered" a bit with restoring batteries with moderate success. When you say "recondition," what does that entail? I've removed some of the electrolyte from cells of "dead" batteries, added some new acid, charge them and some of them do quite well. That's what I call reconditioning. Is there another process?
 

dawgofwar10

Veteran Member
It loosens all the sulphur sitting on the plates.

I thought I knew most of the battery tricks, but this is a new one on me! What is the purpose of laying the battery on its side? I've never heard that one before.

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Doc
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
"A note of caution is in order here: A lot of new vehicles have computerized controls that have to be reset if the battery is disconnected. You can discover this with a quick 'net search, as well as instructions on resetting the system."

I can attest to this! My daughter gave me a 2013 Chevy Sonic. One morning the battery was dead. We went off to some place and bought a new one. Hubby hooked it up- works fine. EXCEPT the odometer is no longer visible. I'm sure it works, because I will get a message that the oil needs to be changed (every few thousand miles), but there's no visible odometer. We were later told that this car- and others- have to be hooked up to some other sort of battery when the battery is replaced. Of course, we had no idea. Only Chevy I've ever owned. I've lived with it because mechanics we know don't know how to reset it. No one's ever heard of something like this! And I'm sure the dealer would want a fortune to say "ooga booga pretty please shazam" and touch the gadget on the turn signal thing in the right order.
 

Redleg

Veteran Member
is a brand new sealed auto battery that was never installed 5 or 6 years ago still salvageable?
Most likely no. Lead batteries need to be charged every so often. I worked in Avionics shop with electricians and
if the voltage falls below 10V, it was replaced. Because when a heavy load, like starting an engine, it would fail. Also, lead acid batteries only last about 4 years on average. Good idea to replace to prevent car not starting in cold weather.
 
I had a Mercedes suv that I did not drive that much. Had to keep a trickle charger on it. Too many things still going when not in use. In the winter at -20 that's a killer.
Correct.

Have a 1990 and 1993 Ford vehicles that sit for months at a time without being started - even in this earlier generation of vehicle, there is a small amount of energy that is slowly extracted out of the battery - if the vehicle is not periodically started/run to recharge the battery, then the battery will slowly go "dead" (won't turn over the motor) after a month or two.

Best trick to prevent such on vehicles that are infrequently operated/in storage is to buy a low-amp trickle battery charger, and connect it to these stored/infrequently driven vehicles (lawn tractors and motorcycles, too - during winter months).

The cost of a trickle charger is ~$10.00 or so. Designed to be hooked up for extended periods of time, it will keep the battery voltage in the normal voltage range - ready to start the vehicle - despite the slow draw down over extended time periods by "normal" vehicle electronics.

Doc1 - good OP advice and observations.


intothegoodnight
 
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Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Have a 1990 and 1993 Ford vehicles that sit for months at a time without being started/run

Major procedural error on your part.

Start everything at least once a month and bring up to operating temp. I shoot for every two weeks.

Treat the fuel too, seafoam at least.
 

Bones

Living On A Prayer
Millwright, a big problem with modern "smart" chargers is that many of them won't charge a dead battery with very low voltage. This is the main reason I don't like the so-called smart chargers.

You can fool the smart chargers to get them to begin charging a dead battery by connecting (in parallel) a good battery to your dead battery (positive to positive and negative to negative) with jumpers. Then connect your smart charger. It will read the higher voltage of the good battery and start charging. After a period of one or two hours, check your formerly dead battery by itself and see if the voltage has come up. At some point, the charger should be able to charge the battery alone.

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Doc

New battery chargers must sense 3-4vdc before it will energize the charging clamps.

The reason is to prevent unintended fires when the charger is on and the clamps touch each other. Now, there is no spark, and Underwriters Lab is happy.

Another reason is that feature prevents fire from starting from the second most frequent accident involving a portable, 12vdc charger...slamming the car hood down on top of the charger sitting in the path of closure.

When that style of charger came to market, it was nearly inevitable the charger would be returned as defective when it wasn't.
 
Major procedural error on your part.

Start everything at least once a month and bring up to operating temp. I shoot for every two weeks.

Treat the fuel too, seafoam at least.
Warehoused in a distant location - fuel contamination is an issue, but store without fuel tanks in these vehicles.

Motors can sit for extended periods of time - years - and can be brought back to good running condition with proper prep - hose conditions, reconnect valve train on pushrod engines, change oil, very light lube sprayed into cylinders, hand-crank motor with breaker-bar to assure no frozen rings/pistons, properly re-prime fuel and oil pumping systems - have started many motors that were running fine when stopped 10+ years prior (old cars that became too expensive to fix for reasons other than motor, and were parked for a decade+ before being sold - or a motor that is pulled out of a wreck, but turns over by hand smoothly - got SEVERAL complete motors sitting on engine stands in the back of the storage areas, that have not run in 30-40 years, but spin freely due to pre-prep prior to storage). Pan/cover/intake gaskets will leak on old motors, simply due to age, and would have to be replaced prior to re-use of motor. Easy enough to do while on motor stand, check bottom-end of motor, cylinder condition.

YMMV.


intothegoodnight
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Other than adding electrolytes, what solutions for regeneration do you use?


I use a saturated solution of magnesium sulfate, better known as epsom salts. BTW, "saturated" means nothing more than dissolving epsom salts in water until it will accept no more and the chemical starts falling out of solution.

I only fill the individual cells with this up to their normal level. Do NOT replace the battery's electrolyte with the espsom salt solution. Only use it to replace evaporated water/electrolyte up to its normal level. Also note that various so-called miracle battery rejuvenator videos often show the operator pouring dry chemicals directly into the battery cells. Don't do this! No chemical is going to work unless it is dissolved and frankly, pouring any dry chemical into a battery is stupid. Dissolve it first and then put it in the cells. At least 80 or 90% of the battery restoration videos I've seen are flat out wrong and/or dangerous.

To be honest, epsom salts (or any other alleged battery miracle chemical) is not going to do much by itself. They may help a little in removing sulfation.

The single biggest improvement is gained by hitting the battery with 200 amp charges. I do this five times for 15 minutes per charge with a 45 minute rest period between charges. Understand that 200 amp charges are potentially dangerous. Wear eye protection and have a bucket of baking soda solution immediately at hand to douse yourself and neutralize the acid in the event of a battery explosion.

In my experience, using less than 200 amps almost never works. IOW you'll never accomplish good rejuvenation with a small bench top battery charger. At the end of the exercise, you want the electrolyte in all cells to appear to be boiling. They're not really "boiling" but are generating a lot of hydrogen gas bubbles (which are explosive). You can accomplish the same thing with a large DC welder if you can control both the amperage and voltage. If you don't have a 200 amp charger, go ahead and try it with a smaller charger. You might get lucky.

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Doc
 

Henry Bowman

Veteran Member
I use a saturated solution of magnesium sulfate, better known as epsom salts. BTW, "saturated" means nothing more than dissolving epsom salts in water until it will accept no more and the chemical starts falling out of solution.

I only fill the individual cells with this up to their normal level. Do NOT replace the battery's electrolyte with the espsom salt solution. Only use it to replace evaporated water/electrolyte up to its normal level. Also note that various so-called miracle battery rejuvenator videos often show the operator pouring dry chemicals directly into the battery cells. Don't do this! No chemical is going to work unless it is dissolved and frankly, pouring any dry chemical into a battery is stupid. Dissolve it first and then put it in the cells. At least 80 or 90% of the battery restoration videos I've seen are flat out wrong and/or dangerous.

To be honest, epsom salts (or any other alleged battery miracle chemical) is not going to do much by itself. They may help a little in removing sulfation.

The single biggest improvement is gained by hitting the battery with 200 amp charges. I do this five times for 15 minutes per charge with a 45 minute rest period between charges. Understand that 200 amp charges are potentially dangerous. Wear eye protection and have a bucket of baking soda solution immediately at hand to douse yourself and neutralize the acid in the event of a battery explosion.

In my experience, using less than 200 amps almost never works. IOW you'll never accomplish good rejuvenation with a small bench top battery charger. At the end of the exercise, you want the electrolyte in all cells to appear to be boiling. They're not really "boiling" but are generating a lot of hydrogen gas bubbles (which are explosive). You can accomplish the same thing with a large DC welder if you can control both the amperage and voltage. If you don't have a 200 amp charger, go ahead and try it with a smaller charger. You might get lucky.

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Doc
Doc have you ever used Hydrogen Peroxide to remove Sulfation ?
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Earlier I wrote that we have cars, trucks, tractors and motorcycles. Obviously these vehicles require different batteries, but other than battery electrical capacity and physical size, they all do the same thing: they store electrical energy and provide it as needed. Simple, eh? Larger engines require more 'cold cranking amps' to energize their starters. This usually means physically larger batteries. Smaller engine's batteries aren't required to be as large or store as much energy.

With that out of the way, understand that many bad batteries are really only bad for their original application, but may work fine on others. As an example, an old Chevy pickup truck with a huge 454 engine is going to require a larger battery than say, a little four cylinder pickup.

Most batteries don't fail catastrophically (though some do), but lose capacity slowly over time. Thus, the Doc1 Homestead's protocol is to transfer failing batteries from larger vehicles to small ones. An example is transferring a fading battery from one of our big diesel trucks to a small Yanmar tractor. This - without doing anything else - often provides another year or so of service from the battery.

After this, there are other possibilities for the batteries. I may go through another restoration attempt. This often brings the battery back sufficiently for more vehicle use. Understand that almost any attempt at restoration makes the battery better than it was previously, so if - even after restoration efforts - the battery still isn't good enough for vehicular use, the battery then often goes into use for our emergency LED lights. Even a weak battery will usually power 12 volt LED lights for many days or power a 12 volt radio, computer or other small appliance.

Batteries that are completely used up and beyond recovery go back to my scrap dealer, so I am still getting a return on them! Using batteries in this fashion helps you to get every bit of return from these expensive resources.

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Doc
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
FYI at a local John Deere distributor, in my case JD Lawn and Garden Tractor, when purchasing a new battery for the lawn mower they asked if I had time to wait, they had to fill the battery with electrolyte.

So it is still practiced in some places, for some batteries.
Thats the best way to get a battery. a lot of places ship them dry with a jug of acid. the mechanic activates the battery when he pours in the acid. instead of having it set around for months waiting to be used,
 

cat killer

Senior Member
"A note of caution is in order here: A lot of new vehicles have computerized controls that have to be reset if the battery is disconnected. You can discover this with a quick 'net search, as well as instructions on resetting the system."

I can attest to this! My daughter gave me a 2013 Chevy Sonic. One morning the battery was dead. We went off to some place and bought a new one. Hubby hooked it up- works fine. EXCEPT the odometer is no longer visible. I'm sure it works, because I will get a message that the oil needs to be changed (every few thousand miles), but there's no visible odometer. We were later told that this car- and others- have to be hooked up to some other sort of battery when the battery is replaced. Of course, we had no idea. Only Chevy I've ever owned. I've lived with it because mechanics we know don't know how to reset it. No one's ever heard of something like this! And I'm sure the dealer would want a fortune to say "ooga booga pretty please shazam" and touch the gadget on the turn signal thing in the right order.
Don’t know if it will work on newer vehicles but a few years ago all it took was a 9 volt battery hooked to a cigarette lighter plug to keep the electronics working.
 
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